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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

I always find it intrigueing when people's lives take another road -- without really participating. A sunni fanatic writes offensive books against the Turkish Government...and calls for *Islamic State* in Turkey. The country applauds for him -- he gets millions and millions of supporters. The Turkish Govt. jails him...and leaves him there for years. He could help not go to jail IF he dropped some of his threats against the govt. The whole Muslim world cries for him -- for he was a *hero* for the Islamic Nation.

Then, suddenly, right after he comes out of prison -- the guy becomes submitter and follows Rashad Khalifa, a man who claimed to have been a Messenger from God. The sunni guy writes articles telling people his new path, etc. The whole Muslim world, automatically, begins to hate him...send him death-threats, etc etc etc.

This is like one of those things that make you wanna ask; "what in the world made him do that"? But, then again, when Umar Ibn Khattab believed in Prophet Muhammad, the whole pagan society began asking similar question. Anyway, from an article he wrote to Signs Magazine, I took the part where he explains one of his personal convictions on Rashad Khalifa, enjoy:


[A personal experience

My personal experience regarding this issue may not seem appropriate in the
context of an objective discussion. However, we learn from the Quran that
God shows his signs in the horizons and in ourselves to convince us
(41.53). I will narrate my story since I believe that God encourages me to
do so (93.11), and hoping that it may cause you to examine your
motivations.

My personal experiences are obviously nonfalsifiable subjective cases.
But, they can be supported by witnesses and physical evidence. Here, I'll
tell you the most fascinating one. The one that dramatically changed my
entire life. This paper will not be enough to put it in its context. Thus,
consider this as a snap-shot picture from the middle of a continuing story.


In 1 July 1986, I made the greatest decision in my life. I came to the
conclusion that the religion that I inherited from my parents was abysmally
corrupted. The introduction of my ninth book, The "Sakincali Yazilar"
(Dangerous Articles, 1988) starts by mentioning the importance of that day
in my life. I had to criticize and reject most of my previous religious
position published in my previous best-seller books. I rejected the
conventional traditional religion. My inquiry brought me to a startling
conviction: Traditional Islam had nothing to do with Muhammad's original
teaching. It could not be God's religion.

Several months after that crucial decision, I encountered a big
intellectual and spiritual problem. I found myself in a dilemma. The
mathematical structure of the Quran was blinking at the two last verses of
Chapter 9. This was a very serious issue, since the Quran claims that it is
perfectly preserved.

I was confused, I was scared. I could not solve the problem. The
mathematical code of the Quran, which I had no doubt about, was exposing
those two verses as man-made insertions. Indeed, there was some historical
evidence about controversial arguments over those two verses. However, the
consensus of Muslims was clear.

The problem needed a crucial "Yes" or "No" from me. But, it would determine
my fate, both in this world and in the hereafter. It was a very important
issue. I could be killed by fanatics if my answer was "Yes". But, I was
more concerned about finding the truth.

For approximately two weeks I was lost. I was persistently praying to God,
asking for a "sign" to save me from that dilemma. "God, give me a sign" through
my repeated prayer. One day, on October 23, 1986, at around 1:30, I was sitting
alone in my office trying to finish the second volume of "Interesting Questions."
I could not concentrate; the terrible paradox was eating away at my soul. I prayed
again in Turkish: "Please give me a sign." Suddenly, an unusual thing happened.
My heart started beating vigorously as if I had run five miles.

It was the first time in my life, that I had that kind of heart beat for no
apparent reason. Shortly, I heard a very clear voice from my HEART,
repeating in Turkish: "Uc Kirkbir! Uc Kirkbir! Uc Kirkbir!", that is,
"Three Forty One, Three Forty One, Three Forty One." I don't remember
exactly how many times it repeated. My excitement was at a peak. I was
shocked. The only thing that came to my mind at that moment was to look at
the Quran, 3.41 (Chapter Three, Verse Forty One). I cannot describe my
excitement and joy. Verse 3.41 was exactly repeating my Turkish prayer in
Arabic with its Quranic answer:

"He said, 'My Lord, give me a sign.' He said, 'Your sign is that you do not
speak to the people for three days, except by signals. You shall
commemorate your Lord frequently, and meditate night and day.'" (3.41)

This extraordinary event not only saved me from the worst situation I have
ever had, but it also taught me a great lesson: Don't worry about what
people think about you. Seek the truth without any personal agenda.

Later, somehow, I wanted to see whether there was any relation between this
incredible experience and my accepting the Quran alone as the source of my
religion. I was assured by an astounding mathematical relation. The number
of days between 1 July 1986 (the most important day in my life), and 23
October 1986 was exactly 114 (19x6) days, which is the total number of the
chapters of the Quran.

I have studied philosophy and some engineering and psychology. I'm
perceived as a skeptic by my friends; but, I cannot doubt that event. I
cannot ignore or depreciate its factual existence in my history. I am aware
of paranormal problems. Here I will list some of the possible objections by
skeptics:

1. The narrator's subconscious, under strong stress, may have remembered
the verse number where his prayer is mentioned.
2. It may be a schizophrenic event. The verse number and its matching text
is coincidence.
3. The narrator is lying.

I would not argue against any of these, since I'm not trying to prove
anything by telling you this experience here. As far as I'm concerned, I'm
as sure about my experience as you are sure that you are reading or hearing
these words.

After my crucial decision in 1 July 1986, as an ex-convicted political
activist, I started to fight the government to get a passport. Though I had
two uncles in the National Congress, it took me two years to receive a
passport. Interesting enough, the date of issue on my passport was 1 July
1988.

I was single until my early thirties. Verse 3:41 mentioned above was
related to Zechariah and his son Yahya (John). Thus, I sympathized with
them. Just after I experienced the incredible paranormal phenomenon, I gave
a silly promise to God: "If I marry, and if I have a son, I will name him
Yahya." This promise remained a secret between God and me, until my wife
surprised me with another "coincidence":

In 1989 I married here, in US, with an Iranian-American lady. When she got
pregnant, I started to wonder: how can I convince her about the name Yahya
if the baby is a boy? I was waiting for a good day and mood to talk about
this issue. An incredible thing happened. One night, two or three weeks
after learning about the pregnancy, she came to me and for first time
talked about the name of the baby. She suggested only one name: Yahya.
(This name is a rare name in Turkey and even rarer in Iran.) I thanked God
Almighty, and told her my story regarding my silly promise to God.

In the meantime, we received two interesting letters. One was from a close
friend from Turkey, who had just heard about the pregnancy. He did not have
any idea about my promise regarding the name. In his letter he wrote a
prayer: "May God raise your child like Yahya." Why like Yahya? We had
numerous heroes in our history. Another coincidence? My mother inlaw's
letter (again, within several weeks of the pregnancy), contained a poem
about our coming baby. The name of the poet was Yahya.

Similar signs continued. Therefore, I was convinced by these signs that our
child was a boy and he would be born on the 1st of July, as God's reward
for my decision to follow the Quran alone. I announced my prediction
regarding the gender and birth-date of our child to more than thirty
people, in a Quranic study, in Masjid Tucson. The baby failed the
predictions of doctors and came to the world on the predicted day, at
10:53, morning of July 1st, 1990. We both hugged him by saying: "Welcome
Yahya." Indeed, he was a boy.

"And some people ask you, 'Is all this true?' Say, 'Yes indeed, by my Lord,
this is certainly true. . ." (10.53).


Praise be to God.]

<this letter was sent to signs magazine by the Turkish author, Edip Yuksel -- he sent this letter regarding an article signs magazine had written about Rashad Khalifa...which the author sought as unjust.>


Peace, Ahmad!

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Mu`min

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Salaamu Caleykum my Muslim Brothers and Sisters.

Ahmad-Kaafir meesha uu ka biyo-qaato, oo messageka looga soo dhiibo waa tan;
http://www.moslem.org/sitemap.htm

Ninkan Kufriga ah oo uu halkan 'taariikhdiisa' noo soo bandhigay waa Editorka www.moslim.org

Waraaqdii uu u qoray Signs Magazine waatan;
http://www.moslem.org/sign.txt

'Taariikhdiisa' oo dhanna waa tan;
http://www.moslem.org/mylife.htm

Mr Copy and Paste shame on you.

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Nur (Nur)

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Asalamu Alaykum;

Brother & Sisters, here is a Qur’anic information telling us about the nature of the above hallucinations

Surat Al Shua’ra

221. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend?
222. They descend on every lying, wicked person,
223. (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.
224. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them:
225. Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley?
226. And that they say what they practise not?

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cade

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Asalaamu Calaykum!

Walaalayaasha sharafta lehoow waad aragtaan sida Yuhuud warqadihii ay islamka doonaysay inay ku dumiso u dhagaysteen kuwo Magaceena oo kale leh.

Ma hubo inuu ahmed yahay Somali waayo wuxuu ku qoraa Af- ingriisi; taas macnaheedu waa waxaa jira dad badan oo Yuhuud iyo cawaankeed ah oo iska qorata waxyaalo been abuura oo an sal iyo raad lahayn.

Ahmed hadii aad tahay kuwii ciise-masiix ka soo dayn jiray Seashalis sxb Somali Ingriis iyo Talyani oo gumaysanayay in ka badan 80 sanadood ka quuste inay NUURKA XAQA ah ee ilaahay ka leexiyaan adiguna nasiibkaa iyo ujeedooyinkaaga maalinta qiyaamaha adiga ayaa u qoolane oogoooow!

cade

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Bashir Abdi.

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AHMED.

Aha, Now the story of ex-sunni convinces us that our prophet's way is wrong. Oooooooooh I am convinced.

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Yaasmiin

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salaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wa barakaatu

bacda salaan dhamaan walaalaha ahlu iimaanka ah ilaahay ha idinka jazeeyo sida aad ugu dadaalaysaan diinta islamka ah ilaahayna isaga aya balan qaaday in uu xifdinaayo diintiisa laakin inagana waxaa laynooga baahan yahay dadaal iyo in aan sifiican u barano diinta si aan isaga celino duliga raba in ay daloolo u yeelan diinteena macaan

hada markaan arkay waxa uu qoray shakhsigan siloon waxaan xasuustay hadal ayeyday dhihi jirtay marwalba ilaahay ha u naxariistee oo ahaa
ABKAY AADANKEEY WAXANAN ARAG ODAYNA II SHEEGIN WAA AARAN GEEL OO DAWACO KAGA ARWAAX QAADAY marka waxaana ku keenay shakhsigan markii meel lagu ceebeeyoba soo dhigaya mid horle ilaahay sharka uu la wareegayo isaga gadaal ha ugu celiyo aamiin
ilaahayow xaga hanaga dhumin adaa caadilee
wasalaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wabarkaatu

ukhtukum filaah
Yaasmiin (uma Ahmed)

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Ansaari

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Yasmin, Bashir, Nur, Cade & Mu'min iga gidooma Salaanta Islaamka.

Axmed submitter!

Kufaar ayaad tahay. Waxkale oo aad tahay ma jirto. Beesada lagu siinayo waa ay joogsan doontaa!. Ogsoonoow taas.

And tell me when you wanna go back (visit) to somalia?
(Dad ayaan warqad kuugu dhiibi lahaa oo iiga geen laheyd)intaadan soo noqon?.

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SUHUUR DK.

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NIN KAN GALAA MIYAA?

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Anonymous

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HADDA KAHOR WAXAAN KA MAQLEY INUU JIRO NIN GALAA AH OO IRAN I DHASHAY

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Muslim

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Asalaamu Caleykum

Muslimiinta dhamaantiin salaad iga gudooma; ninkaan gaalka ah ma waxaa loo shaqaaleeyay inuu Somalinet forumska fikradihiisa ku soo bandhigo. Waxaan idinku boorinayaa inaydaan ka gaabin gaalkaan sidaan meel walba uga daba gali laheyn oo aan u facshiri laheyn inkastoo wax Alle ka soo horjeeda uusan meel gaareyn.

Ahmed gaal isku day inaad copy and paste iska dayso oo aad af-soomaali ku qortid waxyaalaha aad mar walba daliishaneyso. At least luuqada aad u dhalatay isku day inaad ku doodid si ay dadka u gartaan inaad afka soomaaliga ku hadli kartid interms of debates, oo aadan wax dad kale diyaariyeen daliil ka dhigan.

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Yaasmiin

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salaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wa barakaatu

bashiir, nur, ansaari,muslim, mu'min, cade iyo suhuur walaalayaal waad salaaman tihiin dhamaantiin ilaahayna dadaalkiina ha inidiinku daro miisanka xasanaadkiina aamiin, ilaahayna jidka xaqa ah ha inagu dilo kan iyo waxii la mid ahna sharkooda ha inaga dhexsaaro aamiin

Suhuur walaal kani waa mid u diyaar ah in uu ku dhejiyo diinta islaamka iyo nabigeeni suubanaa scw iyo saxaabadiisii xumaan ilaahay ka kor yeelay marka ukhtii al caziiza ilaahay isagana xaqa ha tuso amaa sharkiisa inaga qabto aamiin

wasalaamu calaykum waraxmatulaahi wabarakaatu

ukhtukumfilaah
Yaasmiin (uma Ahmed)

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Nur,

...hahahah! As the author said, there is no point in arguing any of the possibilites. However, if that guy hallucinated himself -- so will all the fanatics who the Muslim world holds dear.

IF a man who risked his life to defend the *SUNNI* side ended up submitter -- all the dumbies who did nothing but just talk talk talk...will be in his foot-steps, no doubt. I mean, truly, hahah...IF Rashad Khalifa was not a Messenger -- he was one smart man. Because, every day...hundreds of thousands(from all over the world) join his path.


Cade,

Walaal, waxaan ALLE qorin ma dhacaan -- Somali waa dad ilaahay samaystey oo Muslimiin ah baaniyaal(hindu) soomaali ah baan arkay...kaasna wuxuu ka mid yahay kuwa ilaahay samaystey. Laakiin, cid waliba...ceelkay qodateey ka biyo maashaa!


Yaasmiin,

Ayeeydaa qatar bay ahayd -- laakiin ayeyday baa ka qatarsanayd. Waxay dhihi jirtey; "calaamaba ceebteed!!!" ;)


Peace, Ahmad!

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Here is what non-Muslims wrote about our Beloved Prophet, The Messenger Of Allah Our Lord Sallalaahu Alayhi Wa Alaa Aalihi Wa Salim Tasliiman Kathiira.

According to Maurice Gaudefroy:

"Muhammad was a prophet, not a theologian, a fact so evident that one is loath to state it. The men who surrounded him and constituted the influential elite of the primitive Muslim community, contented themselves with obeying the law that he had proclaimed in the name of Allah and with following his teaching and example."

Arthur Gilman writes:

"It is greatly to his (Muhammad's) praise that on this occasion (the conquest of Makkah), when his resentment for ill-usage in the past might naturally have incited him to revenge, he restrained is army from all shedding of blood, and showed every sign of humility and thanksgiving to Allah for His goodness-- ten or twelve men who had on a former occasion shown a barbarous spirit were proscribed, and of them four were put to death but this must be considred exceedingly humane, in comparison with the acts of other conquerors; in comparison, for example, with the cruelty of the Crusaders, who, in 1099, put seventy thousand Muslims, men, women and helpless children, to death when Jerusalem fell into their hands ... Muhammad's victory was in very truth one of religion and not of politics; he rejected every token of personal homage, and declined all legal authority."

Edward Gibbon says:

"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder; the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries, by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran ... The Mohametans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level within the senses and imagination of man ... The intellectual image of the Diety has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honours of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human vittue; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

MUHAMMED, Encyclopaedia of Seerah.

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso.

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Nur (Nur)

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Ahmad;

Putting your sentiments and your sightless followings aside, this is a Quranic information about Richard Khalifah & Co.

Surat Al Shua’ra

221. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend?
222. They descend on every lying, wicked person,
223. (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.
224. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them:
225. Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley?
226. And that they say what they practise not?

Ahmad, if your colleague’s story is true, then all we can say is this;

Al-imran.8. "Our Lord!" (they say), "Let not our hearts deviate now after Thou hast guided us, but grant us mercy from Thine own Presence; for Thou art the Grantor of bounties without measure.

Regards

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Walaalkiin,

Yes, it's wonderful to hear un-believers saying good things about our prophet Muhammad. We, Muslims, do not need any of their *good sayings* about our Prophets...nor do we care their *bad sayings* against our prophets. The Prophets of God are those whom God given victory in this world and the here-after; such people and those who love them, do not care for either good/bad sayings of the unbelievers.

Bye the way, Walaalkiin, you never told me what *SALLI* meant???


Nur,

Thanks for the wonderful words of God, Brother! And, FYI, that guy is not my colleague -- nor have I ever met him. I use to hear him as a Sunni FANATIC(like Usama Bin Laden, etc) -- and then I heard he was a follower of Rashad. Both times, he was never my *colleague!*

I KNOW THIS MUCH IS TRUE; the Arab pagan, Abu Lahab, said similar thing about Umar Ibn Khitab. And, with all my heart and soul, I believe when Umar embraced the path of Muhammad...that he did the BEST thing in life for himself. And, Abu Lahab's saying that Iblis whispered *evil* to his heart -- was, to me, as it always will be, another person's choice of view.

Truly, I can't believe in what the man says...until I believe Rashad, as a Messenger. Nor can I deny, until I deny Rashad. Thus, to me, I can only say; INTERESTING!!!


Peace and Love to all Muslims,

-Ahmad!

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Walaalkiin

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Nabad iyo Naxariis Ilaahay Korkiina Ha Ahaato

Here is what non-Muslims wrote about our Beloved Prophet, The Messenger Of Allah Our Lord, Sallalaahu Alayhi Wa Alaa Aalihi Wa Salim Tasliiman Kathiira.

These are not disgruntled ex-sunni or Munaafaqs like you:

According to Sir William Muir:

"There can be no question but that, with its pure monotheism, and a code founded in the main on justice and humanity, Islam succeeds in raising to a higher level races sunk in idolatry and fetishism, like those of Central Africa, and that in some respects, notably in that of temperance, it materially improves the morality of such people."

According to Napoleon Bonaparte:

"Moses has revealed the existence of God to his nation, Jesus Christ to the Roman World, Muhammad to the old continent -- Arabia was idoltrous when, six centuries after Jesus, Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and of Jesus -- Muhammad declare that there was none but one God, Who had no father, no son and that the Trinity imported the idea of idolatry ... I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the conutries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness."

Mahatma Gandi says:

" I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind. I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. Those and not the sword carried everything before them and sumounted every obstacle."

George Bernard Shaw writes:

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to possess that assimilating capability to the changing phases of existence which make itself appeal to every age ... I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today. Medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They were, in fact, trained to hate both the man Muhammad and his religion. To them, Muhammad was anti-Christ. I have studied him, the wonderful man, and in my opinion, far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the saviour of humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring it the much-needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamoured of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go still further in recognising the ability of that creed in solving its problems, and it is in this sense that you must understand my prediction."

MUHAMMAD Encyclopaedia of Seerah

Ilaahayow Noo Naxariiso

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FAATIMA

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AHMED CANT YOU SEE THIS MAN CANNOT ANSWER? MYSELF DONT KNOW WHAT SALLE MEANS. I DO SAY SALELAHU ALEHIM WASALAAM WHEN SPEAK OF SUBANE MOHAMED SCW. AND I DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS EXCEPT IT IS SALLE. I THINK IT MEANS HONOR THOUGH IAM NOT SURE.

PEACE

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anonymous

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FAATIMA = AXMAD. LOOK AT THE TWO WRITING OF FAATIMA. ONE IS WRITTEN IN BROKEN ENGLISH AND THE OTHER IS NOT. WAA AXMADOO ISKA DHIGAAYA FAADUMO. FAATIMA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT RASUULKEENA MAXAMAD IN UU YAHAY THE LAST MESSENGER FROM ALLAH? MA JECESHAHAY RICHARD KHALIIF?

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!


Walaalkiin,

Hhhhmmm, why jump up and down what Unbelievers say about my Prophet? I don't really give a damn wheather they say good things about him or not -- they're STILL, to me, unbelievers...and that doesn't change. SOME of them even committed crimes against my religion by disguising themselves to be Muslims in order to get pictures and stories about the hajj. It's both morally and ethically wrong -- but then again, unbeliever is always unbeliever.

SIMILAR, I really don't give a damn what you or anybody else thinks of me -- I SERVE a Powerful Lord...and it's only His opinion about me that I care. So, safe yourself the trouble! ;)

Now, for the zillionth time, would you tell me what *SALLI* means???


Fatima,

Well, sister -- it's a somali saying; "jini ninkii keenaa bixiya" I just wanna understand what the word *SALLI* means.

You think it's *honor*??? Well, that is your view of it -- not mine. Besides, I never liked guessing games.


Annonymous,

HAAHAHAHHAHAHA! OY VEY! Truly, YOU sound like Fatima to me(No offense, sister -- just speaking out-loud)!


Peace, Ahmad!

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Bashak Abdi.

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In the prophet's last sermon he warned against people like AHMED who will claim prophethood shall apear after ALLAH sealed it with MOHAMMED. After all there were many claimants of prophethood before AHMED and his gangs. And the prophet said.

"Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you
follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others, and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better that those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

AHMED would like to sell to us that HIS PROPHET RASHAD was legitimate PROPHET who COMPLETED islam after MOHAMMED LEFT IT HALF since RASHAD showed up in TUCSON ARIZONA with a message that HIS FOLLOWERS COULD NOT EVEN AGREE.

Ahmed says HE believes quran to be complete but then doubts the message and the content of the quran and looks guidance not in the quran he claims he follows but a RAPIST charged to have raped a sixteen year old and convicted.

He defended that by saying the prophets were accused of the same crime. But did the united states supreme court convicted RASHAD FOR RAPE or CLAIMING PROPHETHOOD. IN NO WHERE IN THE NEWS BANKS WE CAN FIND EVER THE US OPPOSING THE MESSAGE OF RASHAD. WHY SHOULD THEY?. United states is aware of SUBMITTERS and support them as a minority group and even LET THEM visit the white house to BLESS CLINTON AND HIS GANGS and tell them they ARE all ancient muslims with only minor twist of the message.

Ahmed is the messenger of IBLIIS.

Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend? They descend on every lying, wicked person, (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them: Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley? And that they say what they practise not? 221-226 alshua'ra.

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Nur (Nur)

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Ahmad, please don’t hallucinate on us now when you say this;

*
I KNOW THIS MUCH IS TRUE; the Arab pagan, Abu Lahab, said similar thing about Umar Ibn Khitab. And, with all my heart and soul, I believe when Umar embraced the path of Muhammad...that he did the BEST thing in life for himself. And, Abu Lahab's saying that Iblis whispered *evil* to his heart -- was, to me, as it always will be, another person's choice of view.
*

Ahmad, it is wholly unworthy of you to draw analogy based on faulty assumption. In order to tie your analogy, you have assumed that Rashad Khalifah (THE KADAAB) is like prophet Muhammad (pbuh). That was where the cookies crumbled.

Allah (swt) has said this about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh);

Al-nisa.113. For Allah hath sent down to thee the Book and wisdom and taught thee what thou Knewest not (before): And great is the Grace of Allah unto thee.

And Allah has said the following about the likes of Rashad Khalifah (their list is long, starting from Musailamah Al Kadaab and ending with Masih Al Dajaal).

Surat Al Shu’ara

221. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend?
222. They descend on every lying, wicked person,
223. (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.
224. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them:
225. Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley?
226. And that they say what they practise not?

As much as we might look like Arab pagans in your hateful eyes and in your hallucinating mind, we are Muslims and we are believers, we believe in the oneness of Allah (swt), we believe in allah’s prophets, in Allah’s Angels, in Allah’s books and in Qada’ and Qadar. We also believe that Prophet Mohammed is the last prophet and the last messenger of Allah (swt)

We hope to be among those Allah the most glorious and the most high has said about:

Al-Hujurat.15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.

Ahmad If your colleague’s …oops… your role model’s story is true, that he become submitter after he has been Sunni, then you must be aware that he is not the first to believe and then reject faith and he wont be the last. Allah (swt) has said about those people;

Al-nisa.137. Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.
Al-nisa.138. To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous penalty;-

Sadaqa Allahu al Adiim.

Regards.

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Anonymous

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Yaa ibn el......
Ahmed, so you actually believe that there is another messenger out there, after Prophet Muhammed- SALALAHU CALEYHI WA SALIM (and it means honor and praise- As ALLAH -SUBHANNAHU- tells us in the Qur'an-
Is that what your bottom line is. That the Qura'an is tainted (a few lines) and that there is another messenger?
If that is the case- Man, are you in serious trouble!!! Little knowledge is a very DANGEROUS THING!!!
Fear you Creator!
Prophet Muhammed is the "seal" of all prophets and messengers. He is the last.
Follow him you must! His teachings/sunnah and the Quran are what he left for us. He who follows them will not stray. STOP QUESTIONINING WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. That is how Satan grips souls. And believe me- the affairs of the Universe are beyond your comptemplative comprehension!
Do you think one wakes up in the morning and says "I will follow Iblis today?" Of course not. When it is done, it is done unwillingly. Be Careful.
With your obsession with the details- you tread on slippery soil.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Nur,

You said; [Ahmad, it is wholly unworthy of you to draw analogy based on faulty
assumption. In order to tie your analogy, you have assumed that Rashad Khalifah
(THE KADAAB) is like prophet Muhammad (pbuh). That was where the cookies
crumbled.]

Actually, I wasn’t...but was giving you a parable, that is all. BESIDES, didn’t you
hear me tell before that I do not hold him to be Kadaab or Rasuul, yet? -- and that i’m
still studying him? Parables, Nur, parables, Brother!

Then, once again, you went ahead and made Rashad one of those who the devil
descends upon. BUT, as I said before -- NOT yet...from me!

You said; [As much as we might look like Arab pagans in your hateful eyes and in
your hallucinating mind, we are Muslims and we are believers, we believe in the
oneness of Allah (swt), we believe in allah’s prophets, in Allah’s Angels, in Allah’s
books and in Qada’ and Qadar. We also believe that Prophet Mohammed is the last
prophet and the last messenger of Allah (swt)]

Nur, first of all, I do not hate -- truly, I don’t think anybody but Satan deserves that. I
don’t even hate unbelievers -- let alone believers who I BELIEVE to be believers.
However, FYI, Nur, the Arab Pagans believed in the oneness of Allah, as well. AND,
at one time, Arabs were pure Muslims(at the time of Kedar and Ishmael!) And,
through out time, they were corrupted little to little until there wasn’t any believer
among them. This took about hundreds of thousands of years.

You said; [We hope to be among those Allah the most glorious and the most high has
said about:

Al-Hujurat.15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His
Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and
their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.]

Ah, aren’t we all. However, read before and after verses of that verse(AND other
verses in the Qur`an that define believers) -- it’s THOSE who strife in the cause of
Allah -- searching the Truth, ALWAYS, even when they may have it(and are NOT too
proud to say we’re humans...who due to be corrupted/misled, etc) and those who do
right in the eyes of God(by admitting and educating themselves against ignorance -- by
saying; “this is the Truth...we accept it from God” and not “we follow what our fathers
had followed”) and hold onto what he’s given them of wisdom and book(by
concentrating ON IT and not looking around to get answers, elsewhere). THOSE, as
God says in verse 10 of Al-Hujurat, are FAMILY(who take care of each other) -- those
who DO NOT suspect each other. Those who love their brethen with what they love
for themselves -- for its WITHOUT there won’t be any faith.

TRULY, if one looks closely at these things -- it has been dead for A LONG time in
this ummah. Muslims(somalis, bosnians, etc) suffer while other
supposed-muslims(saudis, etc) are in cushions of gold and wealth. Muslims(somalis,
bosnians, etc) die of hunger while other muslims(saudis, syrians, emirites, etc) are
dwelling in too much sin of over-doing(israaf) food and are thrown in the streets.
Muslims(sudanese-blacks, muritanis-blacks, etc) are slaved by other Muslims(arabs)
while God, the Merciful, made them the same level. Did you ever study the wars
against Jews in Middle-East? Where one country leaves(secretly) another in desert?
Where one pulls out...and lets others smitten? Where each-other they sell to the
wolves? Where they back-bite but not extending hand when in need? DOES that
sound a one big happy family of believers, Bro? God never seizes to deliver His
promise. SURELY, i’m one of those who await for that NATION to rise again(like at
the time of the Prophet Muhammad and the righteous Khalifs and those immediately
after them) -- for, truly, that nation is dead with corrupt, at the moment! I maybe
emotional or whatever else you think -- but I sure have enough mind to recognize the
recognizables...and I’m NEVER one who lives to defend evil -- even by my own loved
Father.

You said; [Ahmad If your colleague’s …oops… your role model’s story is true, that he
become submitter after he has been Sunni, then you must be aware that he is not the
first to believe and then reject faith and he wont be the last. Allah (swt) has said about
those people;

Al-nisa.137. Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again)
reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide
them nor guide them on the way.
Al-nisa.138. To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a
grievous penalty.]

Now he’s my *role-model*. OY! What do I know -- live `n learn. Anyway, Edip was a
very well-known Sunni-fanatic. You can read about him. He was jailed SIX years for
calling out Islamic Nation on Turkey. He wrote many books/articles, etc...on his
*WONDERFUL* path of Sunnism. At least he was in SUNNI -- and grew up and
maintained. I, Ahmad, was born in an okay-suffi family...and left that at the age of six
and joined normal sunni...and then joined wahabis, aqwaan, etc etc etc. I guess I’m
one of those who left *the faith* *again and again,* `eh? Well, Brother, I had X-tians
who told me; “you can be born again, sinless” hahahahaha! I had a Jew who told me;
“you can become clean!!!” hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahha! Actually, the Jew
was the MOST funniest! WOW! I read the Qur`an many times, Nur -- and I ALWAYS
find something that makes me say; “What a WONDERFUL God that I have!!!”
Cursed are those who attribute lies to Him!


Annonymous,

HI! I truly liked your message and would respond to it -- ONLY if you write your
name...or any other name beside annonymous(I KNOW so many of them at the
moment!) ;)


Peace and Love to all Muslims,
-Ahmad!

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Xareed

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Bismillaah

Assalaamu calaykum yaa mulimiin


Waryaadha waxaan intii muddo ah dabosocday Mr Ahmed oon layaabanaa wuxuu qoro iyo siduu wax urabo, xaqiiqdiise waan fahmi waayey.

Ninku manin diinta kabaxayoo ibliis adeegsanayaa?
Ninku manin dad muslimiin ah wax u gaysteenoo aargoosidoon ahbaa?
Ninku manin gacan shisheeye ku'adeeganaysaa sida Salmaan Rushdi?

Ninku manin dhaqan ceeba ah layimidoo dadkiisii gooyeenbaa, oo markaa sidii sac tood ah haraatamayo?

Ninku manin qarwayaa?

Ninku manin sakhraansanbaa???

Dear brothers and sisters I can see the picture of this man, but the question is what is hiding behind that picture of him?

Xareed

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Nur (Nur)

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Ahmad;

While I agree with you that the Muslim Umah today, needs to wake up and come back to the right way of our religion, I must remind you that the correct and the only way of awakening the Muslim Umah is through the Book of Allah (Qur’an) and through the Sunnah of our prophet (pbuh), his actions, his assertions and his way of live, through enjoining what is right and through forbidding what is wrong.

Allah the most glorious and the most high has told us about the correct and the only way of awakening Muslim Umah.

Al-Baqara. 208. O ye who believe! Enter into Islam whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy.
Al-Baqara. 209. If ye backslide after the clear (Signs) have come to you, then know that Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

And in another verse;

Al-Anfal. 46. And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere:

Allah the most glorious and the most high has talked about the unique characteristics of our Umah, people, and what gave us that unique status (best of people)

Al-Imran. 110. Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

However, incase someone hallucinates, the way of awakening Muslim Umah is not by following a lying wicked person who claims to be a messenger of Allah when the office of messengerhood and prophethood has been sealed with prophet Mohamed (pbuh). The way of awakening Muslim Umah is not by following some one whom evil ones decend.

Surat Al Shu’ara

221. Shall I inform you, (O people!), on whom it is that the evil ones descend?
222. They descend on every lying, wicked person,
223. (Into whose ears) they pour hearsay vanities, and most of them are liars.
224. And the Poets,- It is those straying in Evil, who follow them:
225. Seest thou not that they wander distracted in every valley?
226. And that they say what they practise not?

The way of awakening Muslim Umah is also not by following some one who oscillates in his faith,or by delivering their lies and their hearsay vanities, by coping from their pages and pasting it to Somalinet forums.

Allah has said about these people like your …(should I say this person you are, according to you, “intrigued by”)

Al-nisa.137. Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.
Al-nisa.138. To the Hypocrites give the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous penalty;-


Regards.

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Caraweelo

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Ahmed;
I am the anonymous you refuse to answer- twice! Earlier in this forums, and in one of your others- the one always cautioning you? The reason for not writing my name- never knew how the "religious" would deal with a woman. You might have issues???
Now, that I have revealed my name, will you answer me- regarding your bottomline.
What exactly are you arguing?
Do you accept the Prophet Muhamed (pbuh) as the last prophet and messenger? that means, no other as a messenger from Allah. no other to interpret or tell us what Allah told us in the Quran. There are scholars- who dedicate their lives to studying something- but that is all they are- scholars and NOT messengers.
Do you believe in the Qura'an as the Word of your Creator- the Almighty Allah (SWT)- and hence the most complete book in existence? With no mistakes or changes since the day it was told to our Prophet by Gabriel?- Therefore- there is no need for another messenger. Our Creator has perfected our religion for us- by providing us his book. And He will preserve it. There is no need for any interpretors or 'messengers' to retell what was once told- in perfection.
tell me, do you agree with the above?
If so, you have no arguement from me.
all I want to say is- becareful of the details...that is how we loose the direction.
As for me, I am a muslim- no madhab! I beleive that there is only one God- Allah (SWT)- he created everything and he is All-Hearing, All-Knowing, and he ordains our destiny. I believe that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was his last prophet and messenger who brought us the Quran. He was a very special human being, choosen by his creator, Allah, as his Prophet and Messenger.
i pray to no one other than the Creator of the Universe- The Supreme- The Almighty, Allah.
The Prophet (pbuh) has my respect and I love him dearly- And I will say "Salla Lahu Caleyhi Wa Salim" whenever I hear his name. That does not mean that I equate him to my Creator- or am in "shirk". It means I respect him. That is the least I can do for the man who brought me enlightenment and guidance.
So what does that make me?

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Xareed,

LOL! HAHAHAHA! You're a funny guy -- no argument!!!


NUR,

USUALLY, from the Qur`an, whenever God sent a Messenger -- it was due to the fact that people were in the state where Muslims are today. BELIEVING that hadiths are wahy from God -- is similar to those who believe Rashad was a Messenger...and yet believe his videos, appen., and books to be *wahy* when he keep repeats over and over -- that *NO...* and over and over -- corrects himself of his understanding of the Qur`an(his earlier translations had MANY MANY errors...and his later one had errors, as well) but you can't tell that to the submitters, now can yah?

Re-READ history, Nur -- and examine when Rashad claimed *messengership*. That is one factor which forces me to study and learn more about him...because the time he came was one of the WORST time any people of God ever endured.

The point is -- I can't defend/fight Rashad, at the moment. I'm still in during those times where i'm verifying/examining. AND, just for you, at this point and time -- i see alot of errors and alot of good in what he preached, according to the Qur`an. BUT, i'm waiting `til I have him ruled, anyway.


Caraweelo,

Sister, do you not know that WOMEN are part of the nation -- and that they have a say in everything anyone does(Or should, at least)? There are queens in the Qur`an who ruled men -- and who were muslims. History teaches us that Aishah, the wife of the Prophet Muhammad, was a warrior who watched over what man does. Similar, history teaches us that one of the Israelites righteous women -- Deborah...used to go to wars. And even brought victory to God's people.

Now, Caraweelo, sister...I meet and talk to ALOT of *Annonymous* people here. Do you mind telling me where/when I denied talking to you? ;)

And, as for your questions. If God wills, I will write more later(tomorow...or the end of the week and i'll answer your questions) Your post to me was interesting...and I will surely respond to it.

I will comment on one thing that you said -- "details". Surely, sister, that is what i'm fighting against, to BEGIN WITH. There shouldn't be detailed thing in Islam. Islam is a religion by God -- and God CLEARLY left things out and did NOT mention them to us...from his MERCIFUL Being. Like Judaism, people went around and ORGANIZED the religion into detailed thing. EVERYTHING one does from up to down is detailed in Hadiths. This cannot be from God -- for God does not organize the religion. Everything in the world is not prohibited until God prohibits it. There are many many many things which God did NOT mention at all -- not because he forgot...but because if he mentioned them, we wouldn't live up to it. Thus, God does not impose any soul what is beyond its extent. So, don't worry -- i'm never after anything that people did not mention beyong God's book. Everything that is mentioned in the Book is NECESSARY. God put EVERY thing that we need in the Book. And those things that are not in there -- are not mentioned for a reason; a Mercifulness of God to man. However, Man always goes after God and denies that mercy himself.


Peace, Ahmad!

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Anonymous

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A.C.W.T.W.
hey you jaahil,
i'd like to inform you that you have just earned
one way ticket to hell.

i pray for our muslim society from ppl like these.
may allah always guide us on the right path.
A.C.W.T.W

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Ansaari

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Asalamun Calaa mani Tabical Huda!

Sis. Carawelo asked AHMED this: "Do you accept the Prophet Muhamed (pbuh) as the last prophet and messenger?"

Ahmed Answered: "blah blah blah blah etc." incl. other things not relating direct to the main question.

It was so simple and just enough to give such "YES or NO". In responce to that question, Ahmad wrote this: " as for your questions. If God wills, I will write more later(tomorow...or the end of the week and i'll answer your questions)".
By answering the question in-short, YES or NO, would/will cost and take to him days to...

Oh, my God! How bad, they (submitters) brainwashed this man!. A victim of its own kind!

I pray for him.

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umar

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While responding to brother Nur, Ahmed used the same example that his co-religionist, the submitter and his idol------Edip Yüksel----used in comparing our messenger Muhammad’s *sayings* to that of the Rashad Khalifa *sayings*.!


And here is what Ahmed's idol, his co-religionist, the submitter--Edip Yüksel--wrote:

"There is no difference between orally narrated hadith that we cannot verify and that which is transmitted in print or by video tapes, which presumably we might be able to verify. Sayings or writings of messengers might be treated differently regarding their authenticity, but our rejection of Hadith and Sunnah was not based merely on their unreliability, but primarily on the fact that messengers were not another authority or even teachers of God's religion."


And here is what Ahmed wrote:

"BELIEVING that hadiths are wahy from God -- is similar to those who believe Rashad was a Messenger...and yet believe his videos, appen., and books to be *wahy* when he keep repeats over and over -- that *NO...* and over and over -- corrects himself of his understanding of the Qur`an(his earlier translations had MANY MANY errors...and his later one had errors, as well) but you can't tell that to the submitters, now can yah?"


These submitters are so desperate that they would do anything to downplay the sunnah of our messenger Muhammad.

The submitters have the audacity to compare the sunnah of our beloved messenger to that of the sunnah of their Kadaab—---their biggest idol---whom they say might have be the messenger from Allah.!!


SALAAT is the second most important pilar of Islam and the way to perform the SALAAT is not even in the QURAN; however, these submitters claim that they follow the Qur'an only, and yet they can't explain the sunnah of performing the salaat. !!!!!!!

So, since the formula of SALAAT is not in the QURAN, these submitters follow the way of their idol---Rashad Khalifa---his sunnah--and the way they perform the SALAT the way he taught them how to perform the SALAAT----HOWEVER, we follow our messenger Muhammad's sunnah and how he perform the SALAAT.

Thus, the open-minded Khalifats have their sunnah, yet they want us to compromise our religion and be like them.!


You see, submitters(aka Khalifates) have in between them divisions and disagreements.

Like one brother once said “a Khalifite means something more than a mere rejection of hadeeth. It represents, rather, a whole complex of ideas and views which are identifiable with the teachings of Khalifa” and some of these people “may reject quite a few of his ideas now and still be legitimately called a Khalifite. There is no difference between, say for example, an open-minded Khalifite, which you are trying to be, and a blind-faith Khalifite.”


Ahmed and Mahamoud Abib, alone with their idol--Edip Yüksel who is one of the leaders of one groups of submitters--are trying to be "open-minded Khalifiate" while another group of submitters are totally "blind-faith Khalifites".

Like Ahmed, Mahamoud Abib and their leader--Edip Yuksel--sometimes pretend and try to distance away from the "blind-faith Khalifate"'s blunders and kufur, but they are lying in order to mis-lead others and in order to win arguments; thus, they lead a double life and they are really good at it. They can protest and blame us for following THE LAST MESSENGER OF ALLAH--Muhammad-- but they can also follow their Rashad Khalifa's way and they can share plunder with the other Khalifates something and they can pity themselves too if they want to. Their hypocrisy is clear to us.

Mohamoud Abib--the other Somali submitter--LIES and DENIES that Rashad Khalifa's CLAIM of being a messenger from Allah and another times, he says Rashad Khalifa is a messenger from Allah----while Ahmed is IN and OUT of the status of Rashad Khalifa, the KADAAB.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Umar,

OY VEY! I sometimes don't know where you start or end. It was ME -- who told you that Abib IS a submitter and that he does NOT hide his submitterism(by signing public with submitters) when it was YOU who tried to play it on me that he denies being a submitter.

I talked to Abib, and if i'm not mistaken, he told me that he accepted Rashad as a Messenger of Allah in 1998(i could be wrong about this date -- but i think it was that!)

It's a very vile scheme to do such thing, but then again, what is news?

ALSO, it's very despicable of you to make *Yuksel* my *Idol* -- when you darn well KNOW that i do not agree with him, MOST of what he believes -- INCLUDING that Rashad was a Messenger! Conjectures are cursed, Umar -- look at the Qur`an...for references of this!

To me, NOBODY(inlcuding those who i'm love the most; my parents) who lives on the planted means enough to *pretend* of who I am -- NONE, mark my words. DO NOT push me to say things that I do not believe...to show YOU that you mean nothing to me to pretend of who i'm, Umar. I'm Muslim, and Muslim, and 1000 times Muslim. I do not need your approve to be that -- nor do I care your conjecting...to not be that.

I said before and I WILL say it again -- I do NOT believe Rashad to be a Messenger of Allah...and IF I do, I will let you know. I'm still learning about him -- and all the things that I learned so far do NOT have enough weight for him to be a Messenger...nor does it have enough weight for me to call him a liar. SO, lets not discuss him...until then.

Umar, besides, you and I -- cannot discuss Rashad(EVEN if I decide for him to be a Messenger) because we did not agree on the fact there'd be a messenger, to begin with -- due to your not discussing the points to that. You have the right to believe whatever you want -- but it's MY duty to correct you...if you're dark in it. However, I do not correct X-tians who WANT to believe that Jesus was the son of Allah -- similar, I cannot correct you...if you want to believe Muhammad was the last Messenger and Prophet. That is the whole point -- we're here(on this tiny planet) to decide/choose paths. YOU have yours...and I have mine -- and there is a God. There is a day -- which CAN come this day...where God judges His creations; lets wait! And, unless my Messenger comes in my lifetime(and you refuse it) -- you STILL are and always will be my Brother in Faith(as far as i'm concerned!)

Oh, and FYI, people who are Submitters do NOT, and I repeat, do NOT think that Rashad *might've been* a Messenger from Allah -- they BELIEVE him to have been a Messenger. A priest once said to me; "Ahmad, I do not just believe that Jesus was the son of God -- I know so!!!" I went; "oh, well, " SO, Please, do not mix up the people, Umar! ;)


Caraweelo,

Sister, i've seen how people made big deal out of my asking you to wait until the weekend to answer most of your Qs. However, some of your questions can be answered by the article titled "The status of Muhammad" part one -- please see that...to get clear answers for some of your questions.

When I said weekend, i was more reffering to comments I would like to make about that first annonymous post you left -- I think it is an interesting post...and I will definately comment on it.


Peace and Love to all Muslims,

-Ahmad!

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Caraweelo

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Ahmed;
Why do you need an article to assert your belief?
Why?
You worry me. Without getting into details of who said what and when. And without quoting others and getting into simantics- please answer my questions.
I think my questions were simple enough. Speak from what is in your heart- your faith. Not another's or what is in an article.
As I told you what I believe in- what do you believe in- pertaining our Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
Don't worry about the annon comment- its not important. What is important is your basic fundamental belief regarding the Creator, Allah Almighty (SWT) and our Prophet and Messenger Muhammed (pbuh).
It worries me to see the importance this other man is taking in the discussions. Rashad is a man- a learned man. But a man who has found his path. Not a messenger. Why do I say that without reading more about him? Simple ( I like to keep it simple- I am not very smart)
First what is a messenger?
A messenger is defined as someone who brings a message. A bringer of news- something new.
From Whom?
In this discussion- we are speaking of Allah- our Creator.
Now, my question is- What message has rashad brought- except repeat what our Prophet and messenger of Allah has said. He saw a miracle in the Quran- something about numbers ( I have SERIOUS CONCORNS AND PROBLEMS with NUMEROLOGY- which is what is apparent)
But that in itself is nothing new. There are those that claim that there is a code in the bible- The bible code. Did they refer themselves to as messengers? No. Even the christians/jews know better! One should not tamper with such honor.
If the Quran is miraculous- it is so because IT IS THE WORD OF OUR CREATOR and THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.
Do not take the title "messenger" llightly. Allah chooses his messengers- A MESSENGER brings us a MESSAGE from Almighty ALLAH. Not everyone who sees the miracle of the quran- and finds enlightenment becomes a messenger.
And that is why I do not believe that there is among us a messenger of Allah.
Prophet Muhammed is the seal of the prophets and messengers.
It is very simple.

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umar

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When the submitters are caught red handed, they CLAIM they disagree with each other-----they deny that they are really submitters; they even go as far as saying and claiming that they do not agree with Rashad Khalifa whom copy his work and imitate him.

Rashad Khalifa, to them, is a messenger from Allah--sometimes--and other times---they CLAIM Rashad Khalifa might have been a messenger from Allah or other times they CLAIM they are not sure about Rashad Khalifa's status.!

But the fact is that these people are lying and the wolf in sheep's clothing is a fitting emblem of the hypocrite in them.

For example, Ahmed said he "talked to Abib, and if i'm not mistaken, he told me that he accepted Rashad as a Messenger of Allah in 1998(i could be wrong about this date -- but i think it was that!)"

However, in many times, like Ahmed, Mr. Abib DENIED that he believes Rashad Khalifa to have been a messenger from Allah and Mr. Abib, like Ahmed, DENIED that he was a submitter. In 1993, he admitted that he was a submitter to a Somali person by the name of Bashir who had private conforsation with him and then 1996 and 1997 when Bashir and Abib met on another Somali forums, Abib DENIED that he was a member of Rashad Khalifa's CULT.!! You can check out this on soc.somali.culture newsgroup at:

http://www.deja.com/topics_md.xp?group=soc.culture.somalia&search=topic/


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bashir ali" <bashir1@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Mr Abib
>Therefore, it is the height of hypocrisy for you to tell me not to
>expose the connection between this man and you. Especially, when you
>keep preaching to us his teachings. If you are ashamed of having
>association with this man's belief, don't copy and use his books
>including his so called the translations of the Qur'an.

Bashir,
I never hid from anyone my association with Dr. Rashad Khalifa nor my use of his English translation of the Quran. I said that many times in this NG. The only reason that I use his translation is for simpilicity sake. It is written in modern day English. If you found it offensive, I will appreciate if you recommend any other translation and I will use that one.

If you think your so-called 'exposing the connection between me and RK' is a good idea, think again. My E-mail box is always full with so many inquiries coming from people who want to know more about Rashad Khalifa. This is making me sick. I am interested in giving the people the truth and not promoting some dead humans.
Mahmoud.

bashir ali <"bashir1@worldnet.att.net"@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>I'm not sure exactly what you are asking,
>and I suspect that you want to confuse things
>here and not refute the teachings of Rashad Khalifa.

Mr. Abib wrote:
"I DISAGREE with R.Khalifa when he translate (temporary god or Satan) as KHALIFA. As you can see, I do not follow anyone blindly, and btw, there are many other verses where I disagree with the way Khalifa translated them. sense?

Regards,
Abib.
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M.Abib wrote:

"Now, about Mr. Khalifa, you will never see me talking about him, promoting him, or attributing anything to him. He is dead, finito, gone, history!! What he did and who he was are none of my concerns. I will never follow anyone blindly. I hold fast to the rope of Allah (Quran Alone).


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Mahmoud Abib <eb72380@goodnet.com> wrote:
>

> Bashir,
> Your first message, you ASSuME that Tucson Arizona was the first place in
> the United States that I set a foot.

Bashir wrote:
> >I assume before you set a--foot--on the United States(in the city of
> >Tucson, Arizona, to be precise), you used to perform your prayers as
> >Muslims do on the guidance of our prophet Mahammed(saw) and not
> >the way Rashad Khalifa taught you and his submitters before he died.

> Then you edited your reply and this time you didn't only ASSuME, but you
> knew PRECISELY it was Tucson, Arizona. How precise Bashir.....................

Mahmoud Abib wrote:

> This is getting to be nauseating sir.

I know that the truth sometimes hurts and
it can also be nauseating.


> I NEVER discussed with you my relationship
> with a khalifate or with any other group.

Mr. Abib, I believe you are the victim of firmly
fix and deep-rooted habits-- showing evasion is as
frequent and customary to you. May be, this is your habit of avoiding the issue. You are trying to convince us now that you are not
one of the Khalifates, but you have built so
solid and unsavory a reputation that only
few are likely to be misled by your
denial---and then, not for long until
they read your confession below which
shows that you are one of them.

"As of yesterday, I instructed +our secretary+
to delete your name from the data base.
You will not be receiving anything +from us+."


"OUR SECRETARY" and "FROM US"!


> >It might have been in the year 1993 or in late 1992.

> It was 1993, and the place was Compuserve Religion forums.

I don't see the contradiction.

> >Anyway, I was curious to know why would a Somali person
> >join a group which Rashad Khalifa established.!

> Should you lie? That was not what you told me.
> You said that you believed that I was Somali.
> And that you recognized me by my last name.

Yes, I knew you were a Somali, but I also believed
that you were one of the Khalifates too. That is why I was curious to know why would a Somali person join a group which Rashad Khalifa
established.!!

No, lying there, is there?

> I told you that I was.

You also told me that you were one
of the Khalifates.

> You praised me and showed me your interest of
> RK's writings.

I don't know about praising, but what I showed
you was a friendly discourse and I requested that you send me a copy of his so called Qur'an, not the three books RK wrote that you sent me.

>I forwarded your name to those who handle shipments
> of books. I told them to send you all the books
> and that I will pay all of your cost.

And I thanked you for doing that. I even offered to send you the cost of these books that you send me.


> It seems that you received all that which you requested.

And more, but I don't regret to have received them all, because I learnt a lot from them, but the truth and the real Islam always out shines the deviated teachings that look like Islam.

> I was neither interested in converting you nor do I care
> what your believes are. In fact, I never followed up as
> to what you thought of the materials I sent you till we
> met again here at SCS. So Bashir, how dare you will malign
> my sincere intentions?

I didn't malign your intentions and I didn't question the reasons you sent me those books by Rashad Khalifa, but I only pointed out that you were and still are one of the members of Rashad Khalifa's cult.

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As I said, these submitters will do anything to conceal and hide their real FAITH, their HYPOCRISY in order to promote the teachings of Rashad Khalifa and copy his work. It is like they are confused, but that is not it----a hypocrite can afford to be magnificent in his false assurance; for he is never intending to go beyond his assurance, lying costs nothing to him, because it is a false assurance to begin with--------And he says to me----"mark my words"

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Bashka abdi.

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Umar,

Thanks bro, I really appreciate your effort. I usually visit here and watch what goes on. I don't miss a day except when I am asleep or at work.

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Servant of God

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Asaalam Calaykum.

Sad. It is very sad in deed. When one come in here and see all this, what is the first thing that comes to mind? I personally don't know what to think. Partly because I am almost crying - crying out for the guidance of this Ummah, and partly because what I think would not count anyways.

I would have asked Ahmed a question, but I see even those before me have not yet been answered. So, I shall save my breath.

HoweverI would ask the general audience A RHETORICAL QUESTION (no answer expected):
HOW MANY OF YOU SPEAK ARABIC? (that is fully understand the FUSXA dialect). I am green with envy of those of you who do. WHY? Why not. You understand the WORDS of ALLAH. Beauty. Sheer beauty.

Now, those of you who "think" that the philosophies and CONJECTURES - (I love that word, because it ties together everything that the NON-believers have in common) of some "human", with more or less the brain matter the same as yours is something worthy to devot your lives to, what can I say but shame on you.

As I said, I am at a loss for words.
Nonetheless, I would like to thank all those beautiful brothers and sisters who've posted beautiful articles in here. May Allah reward you for your efforts.

May Allah guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom He has favoured, Not (the path) of those who earned His anger nor of those who have gone astray - AMIIN.

Wasalaam.
a Petty slave of Allah.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Caraweelo,

Sister, my beliefs DID and DO contain in that article -- as I said...I usually don't have time to re-peat what I said. I referred you to that post because, truly, it contains most of what you asked. Caraweelo, please understand -- i'm just ONE person who talks/debates/answers to many people. It is TRULY time-wasting for me to re-peat what I already said. HOWEVER, you seem to be very sincere...and want to hear it from me again. So, here goes some of what you asked;

>>Do you accept the Prophet Muhamed (pbuh) as the last prophet and messenger?

NO! I accept him as the VERSE says; "a messenger of allah, and the seal of the Prophets" meaning NOT the last Messenger. I do accept him as a Messenger of Allah -- because God says so; "Muhammad is NOT the father of any of your men, but he IS a Messenger of Allah," and I also accept that he is the last Prophet -- because God says; "and the seal of the Prophets."

Now, I see, like many that your thinking of "messenger" is not as that of the Qur`an;

Messenger does not neccesarily bring any new thing -- but repeats and BRINGS people back to the Message of the Messenger-Prophet(who brough a book) before him. IF you read the Qur`an verse 3.81 you will see this clearly;

"[3.81] And when Allah made a covenant through the prophets: Certainly what I give you of Book and wisdom--
then an messenger comes to you verifying that which is with you, you must believe in him, and you must aid him. He said: Do
you affirm and accept My compact in this (matter)? They said: We do affirm. He said: Then bear witness, and I (too) am
of the bearers of witness with you."

THUS, God asks the PROPHETS(who he gives BOOKS/WISDOM) and then says he will send to them a MESSENGER(who verifies their given message). Now, does that tell you the differences between a Messenger and a Messenger-Prophet. NOTE, everything that God sends(including ANGELS) are Messengers. For that, every Messenger is a Messenger...but NOT every Messenger is a Prophet. When God talks of a Prophet, he usually says; "a prophet" or "a messenger, a prophet" you see?

SIMILAR, the same verse proofs that Muhammad was NOT the last messenger -- since Muhammad is a prophet who is given a book and wisdom. A person said to me before; "maybe Muhammad was not one of those" but God says he was in another verse;

"[33.7] And when We made a covenant with the prophets and with you, and with Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and Isa, son of
Marium, and We made with them a strong covenant"

Thus, similar, there must be a MESSENGER after Muhammad to confirm his message. NOTE, that anybody who lives between Muhammad and that messenger is considered a pure muslim -- and that who lives after that messenger and rejects that messenger is considered an unbeliever thereafter.

Now, Rashad Khalifa is a man who i'm learning about -- however, as he says...he confirmed the qur`an and threw two verses and brought a number from the quran that codes the whole quran and protects it. HOWEVER, i'm NOT believing that or anything else -- until I rule him in-or-out for myself.

As for the Qur`an,

I do believe it to be complete and that it has every thing we need for guidance - and I also believe that God preserves it and protects it...regardless of what people add it to their coppies(like some shia have an extra sura!) This is elemantry, Caraweelo -- every Muslim believes that.


Servant of God,

A cue for you;

[25.63] And the servants of the Beneficent God are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant
address them, they say: Peace.

...and as for your assertion that I do not answer to some -- You know what GOD tells me! ;)


Umar,

AS i said, I believe Abib told me that he became a submitter in '98 -- so what u listed before that only tells me what he already told me.

I wonder what people will say if I decide against Rashad??? "Oh, he left the submitters" but I was never part of them!

I also wonder what they will say if I decide with him??? "Oh, he was submitter who used to deny being that!"

AND -- God knows the liars!


BLESSED BE!

Peace, Ahmad!

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Bashka abdi.

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Ahmed.

How did you settle to believe in the messengerhood still pending and not finished when you first encoutered the submitter groups?. I mean being somali and sufi one time, akhwaan the other time, How long did it take you to swallow this?. This is one of the questions I wanted to ask you before but didn't "Wamaa ansaaniihi illa sheytaan".

This is not sarcasm just curious.

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umar

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Ahmed said to me "Umar, AS i said, I believe Abib told me that he became a submitter in '98 -- so what u listed before that only tells me what he already told me. I wonder what people will say if I decide against Rashad??? "Oh, he left the submitters" but I was never part of them! I also wonder what they will say if I decide with him??? "Oh, he was submitter who used to deny being that!" AND -- God knows the liars!"


Well, like Ahmed plagiarized while concealing where he was copying from Rashad Khalifa's views(the submitter's homepage) onto this Somali forums, Mohamoud Abib used to do the same things onto another Somali forums.

Both, Ahmed and Abib DENIED and CLAIMED while doing their job of copying and pasting while concealed their hypocrisy.

In 1996 and 1997, Abib, like Ahmed, was caught in red handed and was told that he was a follower of Rashad Khalifa. Then, he DENIED.

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" Subject: Re: M Abib: A Follower of Rashad Khalifa
Date: 01/15/1997
Author: Ahmed Yusuf <store187@interramp.com>
MAHMOUD ABIB: A FOLLOWER OF RASHAD KHALIFA.............!!!

Dear brother Sisters in Islam:

For the past few months, MAHMOUD ABIB "eb72380@goodnet.com"has been writing at SCS with a single minded determination to reject the ahadith of Prophet Mohammed (scw) and by going to such an extreme to call these ahadith "garbage, lies & satanic verses", rejecting all the Scholars of Islam and insulting them day in and day out.

It became apparent to me that Abib was advocating ideas similar to those advocated by Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian who is now deceased and who founded what is known as International Community of Submitters located in Tuscan, Arizona, USA.

The first clue came from Abib’s writing at SCS and how he was quoting Rashad Khalifa without letting readers at SCS know whose ideas he was advocating. In addition, the debates he had with many brothers and sister at SCS forced him to admit that he was using the Quranic Translation of Rashad Khalifa, a heretic who claimed as you will see in the following article that

1) God commissioned in 1980 Rashad Khalifa to be messenger of God

Finally, I verified through reliable source that M. Abib attends the center ofRashad Khalifa followers located in Tuscan, Arizona, USA.

Who are the Submitters?
----------------------

Submitters are group of cultists advocating the ideas of
Rashad Khalifa who claimed to be a messenger of God!
Their mission is to carry on the task of Rashad Khalifa
which is to create a new religion that will remove corruption
from the world’s great religions, Islam, Christianity and
Judaism.

As the Imam of a Mosque in Arizona Rashad Khalifa claimed
the Quran contains a miracle of #19 as a divine proof of it’s
authenticity. He was soon proven to be a liar when people started to count the letters of the Quran and found the occurrence of the number 19 within each verse or soura did not exceed the probability of chance. This path of ignorance led him to claimed that certain 'Aayat' are injected into the Quran simply because those 'Aayat' could not fit their manipulation, and made their devious calculations unworkable!
Ultimately he declared himself to be a messenger after Mohammed (scw).


The following article summarizes the core of their believes.
The interesting thing is that some of M.Abib's most frequent
statements and arguments are found in the submitters' article!
For instance, Abib more than once stated:

--- "If prophet Mohammed comes back today, the Muslims would have stoned him to death".

---- The rejection of the Ahadith of the Prophet(scw).

-----The claim that "Prophet Mohammed(scw) had written the Quran in his own hands". etc., etc..

It appears M.Abib was simply copying most of his arguments
from Rashad Khalifa's book, and was then presenting them to
us as his own ideas!!!

Lastly, Rashad Khalifa wasn't the first false messenger and
he won't be the last. In fact the first false messenger was
Musaylama Al-kaddaab, and he appeared right after prophet
Mohammed’s(scw) death. And besides Khalifa, the last ones
were Mohamud M. Daaha, and Salah Briqa'.

All of these false messengers and their deviated cults
ultimately ended in self-destruction. Abib and the
submitters will no doubt meet the same miserable fate
sooner or later.

PS:
I ask you as a concerned Muslim can we accept anyone
to claim to be a messenger after the Rasull Mohammed (scw)
who is the seal (khatum) of all prophets & messengers.

The answer is definitely no. Therefore, read the following
article written by Rashad Khalifa and know for sure that
Mahmoud Abib is a follower of Rashad Khalifa and belongs
to the International Community of Submitters Cult.

Aduunyada nin noolow maxaa aragti kuu laaban!
Assalamu Alaykum
Ahmed Yusuf
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In 1997 while doing his job of copy and paste from Rashad Khalifa's books, Mr. Abib DENIED that he was a submitter just as Ahmed has done, but then a man who communicated with Abib in 1992 or 1993 showed up who said:

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Subject: Re: M. Abib: A Follower of Rashad Khalifa
Date: 01/22/1997
Author: bashir ali <bashir1@worldnet.att.net>

I got to know Mr. Abib in early 1992 or 93.
At that time, he and I used to communicate through e-mail. As far as I know, his views and what he thinks about hadeeth has not changed, BUT what is not clear is if he changed his convictions about the man, Rashad Khalifa. Does Mr. Abib think that Rashad Khalifa was not the last massenger of Islam and that Mr. Abib doesn’t want to associate any more with the teachings of THAT man OR does Mr. Abib want to make this issue a mystery and confuse others?

Btw, Mr. Abib, I don’t think I ever thanked you for sending me Rashad Khalifa’s books. Also, I still receive the monthly Bulletin of International Community of Submitters Publication, THE SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE every month from Masjid Tucson thanks to you.
Bashir.
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After that, Mr. Abib admitted that he communicated with Bashir and that he sent to him Rashad Khalifa's books and subscribed for Bashir "THE SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE" a monthly magazine from Masjid Tucson where Abib was attending in 1992 or 1993, yet like Ahmed, Abib still denied that he was a submitter even after he was caught red handed in his lying about his convictions about the man, Rashad Khalifa.!

Thus, I don't care if Ahmed or Abib ADMIT or DENY about anything, but the fact is that these they were/are LYING and the wolf in sheep's clothing is a fitting emblem of the hypocrite in them.

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bashir abdi.

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Learn the quran in ARABIC to avoid DEVIATION and MISTRANSLATION of it. You will be safe from the SATANIC VERSES SUBMITTERS TEACH PEOPLE AND OUR SOMALI FELLA PASTES HERE AS IF HE UNDERSTANDS IT.


1-"Verily, we have sent it down as an arabic Quran in order that you may understand". Alcimra:V:2

2-"And thus we have sent it(THE QURAN) down to be a judgement of authority in Arabic. Were you (O mohammed) to follow their (Vain) desires after the knowledge which has come to you, then you will not have any WALI(protector) or defender of Allah". Alra'd:V:37

3-"And indeed we know that they say: It is only a human being who teaches him. The tongue of the man they refer to is foreing, While this is a clear Arabic tongue". Al naxl:V:103.

Bal walaalayaaloow eega aayaddaa cajiibka lehee kore. Ahmed keeps running to the english dictionary when he gets stack or refers US to A JEWISH RABBI, OH I forgot to say A FAMOUS JEWISH RABBI.

This is even BETTER check this out:---

4-"And thus we have sent it down as a Quran in arabic,---and have explained therein in detail the warnings, in order that they may fear ALLAH, Or that it may cause them to have a lesson from it(or to have the honour for believing and acting on its teachings). Ta'ha':V:113

5-"Upon your heart(O mohammed) that you may be of the warners, In the plain ARABIC language."Shucaraa:V:194,195

This is the BOMBSHELL guys read this:----

6-"An Arabic Quran, without any crookedness (therein) IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY AVOID ALL EVIL ALLAH HAS ORDERED THEM TO AVOID". Az-zumar:V:28

7-"A book whereof the verses are explained in detail;-- a QURAN in Arabic for people who know".Fussilat:V:3

8-"If we had sent this as a Quran in foreing language other than arabic, Why are not its verses explained in detail?.What (a Book) not in Arabic and an Arab?. Say it is for those who believe, A guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness in their ears (deafness)and it is blindness for them. They are those who are called from place far away." Fussilat:V:44

Brothers and sisters, this is very important. When someone wants to understand THE QURAN his best bet is learning ARABIC and not RELYING ON OTHER SOURCES. The originality of the message can not be understood in ENGLISH nor any other language. The translations of the QURAN are TO HELP but in no way it is substitute for the ARABIC.

UMAR,

Bro thanks ilaahey hakaa abaal mariyo dadaalkaaga.

Wasalaamu caleykum.

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Caraweelo

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Ahmed;
Thank you for responding to my questions- I know they were elementary- I like to keep things simple. You have clarified something for me. You an I disagree on the concept of the difference between "prophethood" and "messengership". To me they are one and the same when it comes to our Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). He is the last and he has perfected our faith for us- all humanity and jinn. The only note I would like to make is to be very careful with numerology. This is an old science and is not far removed from magic. Sometimes it shows things that are not there. Allah (SWT)said in the Quran that it is "clear". My humble belief is that the Quran does not carry a hidden message- shrouded by numerology and the like.

One other question- what about the "bible code"? Have you heard of it. apparently some mathematicians at Harvard university broke the code and according to them, embedded in the old testament is the code of the entire human history. And we know how many times the old testament was rewritten! I think this reitorates the point that Numerology- of any kind- should not be trusted to guide a faith renuwal or change!

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umar

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Caraweelo, sometimes elementary and simple things can lead someone to divergence or deviation from the right course.

The finality of messengerhood is not in the Quran and is the formula of performing the prayers.

So, the real question is:

Whose source do we Muslims believe when we are talking about the finality of messengerhood and the ways of performing prayers…….Muhammad(saw) or some else?

The source of performing prayers, the SALAAT and the source of the finality of messengerhood in Muhammad(saw) are derived from Muhammad(saw) himself and I agree with the Muslims who follow the way of Muhammad(saw) who taught the way of prayers and said there is no other messenger to come after him(saw).

Sister Carweelo, the differences or disagreements you have with Ahmed about the finality of the messengerhood in Muhammad, as simple and elementary as it may, is a fundamental belief in Islam.

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Servant of God

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Asalam Aleykum.

Bashir Abdi:
Jazakallah khayr. I truly think that if each and everyone of us did understand the Holy Quran in its pure language some (at least some) of this misunderstandings would have been avoided.

Ahmed:
I am glad you "tried" to answer some aspects of the questions that were addressed to you.

Well, the question that I would have asked is: DO YOU UNDERSTAND ARABIC? (you dont have to answer).

You said:".......I do accept him as a Messenger of Allah -- because God says so; "Muhammad is NOT the father of any of your men, but he IS a Messenger of Allah," and I also accept that he is the last Prophet -- because God says; "and the seal of the Prophets." ......."

Well, if you did understand arabic, and if you had your history of Islam and prophets/messengers right, then you wouldn't have said: "......For that, every Messenger is a Messenger...but NOT every Messenger is a Prophet. When God talks of a Prophet, he usually says; "a prophet" or "a messenger, a prophet" you see? ...."

Bologny I say. CONJECTURES is what you have..... The likes of Musaylama Kathab, Ghulam Ahmed Khan, Richard Khalifa...and many more to come, that is all they have. And I am afraid, that is all you have got too.

THERE WILL BE NO PROPHET OR MESSENGER THAT WILL COME AFTER MUHAMAD. period. If you truly believe the authenticity of the Qur'an Alkariim, you should know this. Or maybe you dont understand it?

So, please stop pretending to possess a great deal of knowledge and wisdom, and try educating yourself about islam: YES, you should not accept BLINDLY, but you should reject BLINDLY when you see the light at the end of the tunnel either.

I wish you all the best, and I ask Allah to guide you to His TRUTH.


Wasalaam.
Servant of the Lord.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Umar,

I never met Abib -- and did not talk to him until a week or so ago -- due to my researching Khalifa. However, I have seen how people here lie about ME -- while I know it's a lie. So, lying against someone who is not is merely not that of a phase, is it? Do you have anywhere where this guy denies being a submitter after 98? If so, please...let me know -- if not, then -- I already knew all that(from him!)

Umar, I do have most of Rashad's books -- including his "Authorized" version of the english. I do not think it's authorized...nor do I think it's mistakeless(I myself seen some errors!) AND, no, for the zillionth time -- i'm not submitter. and surely...I don't need to lie to you, as I SAID. And, if you can bet your last penny on something -- it's THAT I never, EVER, lie about who i'm.

AS I SAID -- we have nothing to discuss, as you know it. So, may God guide us all to the right course!


Caraweelo,

EVEN though the code 19 is very impressive...i'm not at a stage where to examine it. Somali baa waxay ku maah-maahdaa "ninkaad kabaahaaga ka tolonayso, kabahiisaa la fiirshaa!" So, i'm in no stage to determine if or if not the code-19 is true...this particular time of events(regarding this guy and his path!)

And, yes, life is simple. I just don't like to re-repeat everything, that is all.

Now, about the concept of *messenger/prophet* I think everyone has the right to decide what they want to decide -- however, if you were following this issue...you would know that from the Qur`an -- somethings are very clear. This is one of those(ask Umar!) Umar gave up and said that he wants to believe the HADITHS when was out-casted from the Qur`an. I'm sure -- certain things bear repeating, and God is Most Merciful! ;)


Servant of God,

Yes, I do understand most of the Qur`anic Arabic. This is why i find alot of errors in English(including Rashad Khalifa's translation!)

I do not speak Arabic much, if that is what you're asking. It's hard to say -- but there was a time when I spoke arabic(not as arabs, of course!) Similar, there was a time when I spoke kiswahili very well, as well. I'm not losing the somali -- but for every other language, it can take a ride!

You said; [Well, if you did understand arabic, and if you had your history of Islam and prophets/messengers right, then
you wouldn't have said: "......For that, every Messenger is a Messenger...but NOT every Messenger is a
Prophet. When God talks of a Prophet, he usually says; "a prophet" or "a messenger, a prophet" you see?
...."]

Hhhhmmm, isn't that the whole point? I do NOT want to be those who say; "we believe what our fathers believed" I'm Muslim, S.O.G, it forces me to examine everything -- I MEAN, everything. The religion of God has been corrupted since time of Adam. God perfected this religion with the Qur`an -- an heavenly book. However, there have been elsewhere where this religion have been corrupted to no end; you're smart! :)

Similar, Jews have their own ways of *history* -- i'm sure that should be taken *right* `eh?

When you flip through the stories that God tells us in the Qur`an -- the sincere Muslim is always FOR God...and not just what man said "GOD said". People lie against God and His Messengers -- no new thing, and oldie story...that repeats itself in the Qur`an. BUT, God says to Muslims...places in the Qur`an that if they turn back, he'll bring another people. I WONDER why God would say such thing? HHhhhhhmmmm, but then again, that was said to other people as well, correct? YES, history -- we should learn our own history! YUP! eiped to no end!


Peace and love to all Muslims,

-Ahmad!

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Bashir Abdi.

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Bal ikhwaanii ila eega beenta AHMED ADAM SUBMITTER.

1- Ahmed argued that the word XIKMA in the QURAN does not mean HADITH.

this is his source http://www.submission.org/wisdom.html

2- Ahmed argued that we pray the same way jews prayed and Arab pagans citing the famous jewish rabbi.

this is his source http://www.submission.org/jews.html

3- Ahmed argued that muslims blame eve like jews and christians do.

This is his source http://www.submission.org/eve.html

4- Ahmed argued that songs are okey and insisted the quran does not forbid.

this is his source http://www.submission.org/music.html

5- Ahmed promotes the quran alone as if the quran does not include the imitation of muhamad and his way of life.

this is his source http://www.submission.org/dozen.html

I will bring more of his topics he pasted from the SUBMITTERS that he is painfully trying to shake off from himself. What a sad situation?.

AHMEDOLOGY didn't work in the forumss.

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umar

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Ahmed said "Do you have anywhere where this guy denies being a submitter after 98? If so, please...let me know -- if not, then -- I already knew all that(from him!)"

Well, maybe Ahmed didn't see what I wrote.

In 1996 and 1997, Abib, like Ahmed, was caught in red handed and he was then told that he was a follower of Rashad Khalifa.
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" Subject: Re: M Abib: A Follower of Rashad Khalifa
Date: 01/15/1997
Author: Ahmed Yusuf <store187@interramp.com>
MAHMOUD ABIB: A FOLLOWER OF RASHAD KHALIFA.............!!!
Dear brother Sisters in Islam:
For the past few months, MAHMOUD ABIB "eb72380@goodnet.com"has been writing at SCS with a single minded determination to reject the ahadith of Prophet Mohammed (scw) and by going to such an extreme to call these ahadith "garbage, lies & satanic verses", rejecting all the Scholars of Islam and insulting them day in and day out. It became apparent to me that Abib was advocating ideas similar to those advocated by Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian who is now deceased and who founded what is known as International Community of Submitters located in Tuscan, Arizona, USA. The first clue came from Abib’s writing at SCS and how he was quoting Rashad Khalifa without letting readers at SCS know whose ideas he was advocating. In addition, the debates he had with many brothers and sister at SCS forced him to admit that he was using the Quranic Translation of Rashad Khalifa, a heretic who claimed as you will see in the following article that…..
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Mr. Abib DENIED about him being a follower of Raashad Khalifa; HOWEVER, in 1992 and 1993, he talked with a Somali person by the name of Bashir whom he discussed with Rashad Khalifa and submitters.

He admitted that sending Bashir to Rashad Khalifa's books and he subscribed for him the submitter's monthly magazine called THE SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE after Bashir reminded Abib that he should not lie about his conviction about Rashad Khalifa and that he should come out from the closet is a submitter or say that he left that cult. Then, when the truth came out that he was still in that cult from 1992 or 1993 to 1997, Mr. Abib got frustrated and *canceled* the subscription of submitters magazine which he subscripted for Bashir
-----------------------------
"As of yesterday, I instructed +our secretary+
to delete your name from the data base.
You will not be receiving anything +from us+."

That is after Bashir exposed him and wrote:


Subject: Re: M. Abib: A Follower of Rashad Khalifa
Date: 01/22/1997
Author: bashir ali <bashir1@worldnet.att.net>
I got to know Mr. Abib in early 1992 or 93.
At that time, he and I used to communicate through e-mail. As far as I know, his views and what he thinks about hadeeth has not changed, BUT what is not clear is if he changed his convictions about the man, Rashad Khalifa. Does Mr. Abib think that Rashad Khalifa was not the last massenger of Islam and that Mr. Abib doesn’t want to associate any more with the teachings of THAT man OR does Mr. Abib want to make this issue a mystery and confuse others? Btw, Mr. Abib, I don’t think I ever thanked you for sending me Rashad Khalifa’s books. Also, I still receive the monthly Bulletin of International Community of Submitters Publication, THE SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE every month from Masjid Tucson thanks to you.
Bashir.
-------------------------------

Then this exchange took place between Bashir and Abib---------------and notice, this was not in 1998, but in early 1997 as Ahmed tried to blind himself.

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" Subject: Re: M Abib: A Follower of Rashad Khalifa
Date: 01/15/1997

Abib wrote:
> This is getting to be nauseating sir.

I know that the truth sometimes hurts and
it can also be nauseating.


> I NEVER discussed with you my relationship
> with a khalifate or with any other group.

Mr. Abib, I believe you are the victim of firmly
fix and deep-rooted habits-- showing evasion is as frequent and customary to you. May be, this is your habit of avoiding the issue. You are trying to convince us now that you are not one of the Khalifates, but you have built so
solid and unsavory a reputation that only
few are likely to be misled by your
denial---and then, not for long until
they read your confession below which
shows that you are one of them.
------------------------------------


But Mr. Abib admitted talking with Bashir:



> It was 1993, and the place was Compuserve Religion forums.



> You praised me and showed me your interest of
> RK's writings.

I don't know about praising, but what I showed
you was a friendly discourse and I requested that you send me a copy of his so called Qur'an, not the three books RK wrote that you sent me.


In 1993, Mr. Abib admitted the subscription magazine which he subscripted for Bashir.

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> I forwarded your name to those who handle
> shipments of books. I told them to send you
> all the books and that I will pay all of your
> cost.

And I thanked you for doing that.
I even offered to send you the cost of these
books that you sent me.


> It seems that you received all that which you
> requested.

And more, but I don't regret to have received them all, becuase I learnt a lot from them, but the truth and the real Islam always out shines the deviated teachings that look like Islam.

> I was neither interested in converting you nor do I care
> what your believes are. Infact, I never followed up as
> to what you thought of the materials I sent you till we
> met again here at SCS. So Bashir, how dare you will malign
> my sincere intentions?

I didn't malign your intentions and I didn't question
the reasons you sent me those books by Rashad
Khalifa, but I only pointed out that you were and
still are one of the members of Rashad Khalifa's cult.

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As you can see, Mr. Abib CLAIMED that he was NOT a submitter in 1987 while copying things from Rashad Khalifa’s followers without telling the people where he copying his writings; then when he was caught and been exposed about his , hypocrisy admitted and said talking with Bashir and sending him Rashad Khalifa’s books and subscribing for him the submitters magazine in 1993; then he asked submitters secretary to cancel the subscription for Bashir and said ---*We* will not be receiving anything magazine from *US* again n 1997.

But still Abib continued to copy and paste from Rashad Khalifa’s work from submitters homepage to that Somali forums and kept DENYING and LYING about his affiliation with the submitters.!!!

I mean, is this a similar pattern to what we know from another submitter by the name of Ahmed or what? Beware of lairs in sheep’s clothing. Being a hypocrite has marvelous advantages; he can afford to lie, but when he is caught he can only lie more. Ahmed can be a hypocrite if he wants to, but lying, plagiarizing and talking like one---like the followers of Rashad Khalifa---would not fool anyone.

For example, Ahmed said “Now, about the concept of *messenger/prophet* I think everyone has the right to decide what they want to decide -- however, if you were following this issue...you would know that from the Qur`an -- somethings are very clear. This is one of those(ask Umar!) Umar gave up and said that he wants to believe the HADITHS when was out-casted from the Qur`an. I'm sure -- certain things bear repeating, and God is Most Merciful! ;)”

Well, “you would know that from the Qur’an—somethings are very clear” is a misleading statement from Ahmed. What is not clear from the Qur’an is if prophet muhammad is the last messenger from Allah. Also, the Quran does not say that there will be a messenger after Muhammad. Yes, “everyone has the right to decide what they want to decide”, but a hypocrite in Ahmed wouldn’t say that he follows what is NOT in the Quran. He wants you to believe that he follows ONLY the Quran. Since the finality of the messengerhood of Muhammad is NOT “very clear from the Qur’an”, we Muslims rely on, decided and agreed with our messenger Muhammad himself who said he last messenger of Allah and that there wouldn't be another messenger after him, the same way we rely on him and follow his source of the formula of prayers. As you know, the formula of prayers are NOT in the Quran, but we Muslims do not agree with Ahmed’s source or the Rashad Khalifa’s followers and their formula of prayers; we pray the way the prophet prayed.


Ahmed said to me “AS I SAID -- we have nothing to discuss, as you know it. So, may God guide us all to the right course “

Well, this is the same guy who also said this when his hypocritical belief on SALAAT was exposed:
“NO MORE debate! It's OVER! If you have a problem with my posts, too bad. Nobody is twisting your arm to read it...OR respond to it. No more, Baby! I only have so much time for one day...and I won't *WASTE* it on a couple of lunatics who have nothing else to do but lie...and distort against people. To debate all of you...would take time(and if it was a fruitful debate)...could be bearable, but to debate with a few of people with so many alliases...with no fruitful debate...is a waste of time.”

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Caraweelo,

Sister, hi! I think I answered most of your question. and I will answer the rest.

You said, as annon: [Prophet Muhammed is the "seal" of all prophets and messengers. He is the last.
Follow him you must! His teachings/sunnah and the Quran are what he left for us. He who follows them will not stray. STOP QUESTIONINING WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. That is how Satan grips souls. And believe me- the affairs of the Universe are beyond your comptemplative comprehension!"]

Caraweelo, that is the million dollar question -- what is the sunnah and the teachings of our prophet? Is it the Hadiths that we have today? It cannot be...since much of it contradicts the base of Islam; the Qur`an. This is just another game of humanity. Jews and the X-tians jump up and down about the word of God; namely, the Tanakh(Torah) and the Gospels. Are those the real ones?...or corrupted one? Do you see what I mean.

Also, you said; [Fear you Creator! Do you think one wakes up in the morning and says "I will follow Iblis today?" Of course not. When it is done, it is done unwillingly. Be Careful. With your obsession with the details- you tread on slippery soil!]

I agree with you 100%. Nobody ever says they'll be astrayed, it happens...following either what was done before them -- or themselves following a new thing. However, as you may know -- i'm not obsessed with details, at all. That is my whole compaign against these sects. Islam is a way of life -- a continues day of days...that is NOT organized into a-through-z deal. We only legalize what God legalizes...and we do not illegalize what God had not illegalized. However, with these sects -- that is far from true. Everything is organized and the whole religion is a cocamae thing that was put together by men who could not comprehend the mercifulness in God. Nobody appreciates this until they have seen the other sides of Aspen(meaning other religions) that is when you truly say; "MY GOD, ISLAM IS A WONDERFUL PATH!!!" I mean, the ISLAM from the Qur`an...not the one people divided and re-divided and re-divided into many many paths. I'm talking about the beautiful path that God potrayes in the Qur`an. The Path of Abraham...and those who followed him.

You see, I appreciated your comments -- because they were honestly TRUTH! They were sorta mis-pointed, but it covered well bases. Thanks again, for a nice article!


Umar,

Ah! Maybe you don't read well; I SAID, and you quoted me:

[Ahmed said "Do you have anywhere where this guy denies being a submitter after 98? If so, please...let me know -- if not, then -- I already knew all that(from him!)"]

Umar, all the things you posted are before 98 -- did he claim to not be a submitter after 98 or within the 98? I'm not even sure if it was 98(but i think that was the year he said!)

AND, as for debating -- as I said before...cursed are the conjectures, Umar. Leaving out discussions and quoting sentences to promote your way is truly an evil vile scheme. HOWEVER, you have your way.

I don't debate with Yaska, Ansaari, Bashir(only when he gets another personality -- which is only for FUN!), etc etc etc. You seemed to want to know the truth -- but then again, you changed your mind(which is your right!)

Remember?...you brough a source beside the Qur`an as an argument -- when God himself tells us that it is sufficient for us in argument. BUT, then again, ah...

Anyway, let me know when you're ready to argue from the Qur`an(as you did in the begining) -- and not running to mommy dearest(fabricated hadiths)...`cause as Rashad khalifa quotes the Qur`an -- some people have books where they can find anything they want to find. Ah, can such people need un-organized religion like that of God's? Maybe not...;)


Anyway, peace to you, Bro -- and i hope you're happy with what you have. I was never happy with what i have had(suffism, sunnism, shiasm, sunnism-again, etc etc etc) -- due to its nature of corruption. So, strifing to the way of God is just merely a way of life. My forefathers followed, blindly a way that was not of God's but man's -- Blessed is the God who helped me realize that. Now, Blessed is the same God whom I put my trust to help me to HIS right path. Wish yah the same -- and for all Muslims!


Peace and Love to all Muslims,

-Ahmad!

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umar

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I said "Well, maybe Ahmed didn't see what I wrote." And Ahmed responded "Ah! Maybe you don't read well; I SAID, and you quoted me"

What Ahmed does want you to see is that Abib was similar to Ahmed. Like Ahmed, Abib used to copy from Rashad Khalifa's followers to Somali forums in 1996 to 1997. Like Ahmed, Abib was caught and was said to him that he is a submitter CONCEALING his identity of being submitter and where he PLAGIARIZED from his work.


In 1996 and 1997, Abib, as Ahmed has done on here, kept CONCEALING his affiliation with the submitters while still engaging and doing his cut and paste from the submitters homepage and while at the same time CLAIMING to have disagreement with them.

This was before 1998, but Ahmed is now saying on here that he talked with his fellow submitter Somali by the name of Mr. Abib, and confirmed that Mr. Abib may have joined the submitters in 1998.


But the fact is that in 1992 or 1993, Mr. Abib admitted to have an affiliation with the submitters and admitted to sending some materials from the submitter's masjid in Tucson to another Somali person by the name of Bashir.

Abib admitted sending some Rashad KADAAB books the year 1993 and said this to Bashir:

"I forwarded your name to those who handle shipments of books. I told them to send you all the books and that I will pay all of your cost"

However, when in 1997 Bashir and Abib met on that other Somali forums, and when Bashir exposed Mr. Abib, Bashir thanked in a Sarcastic way Mr. Abib and said this:

" Mr. Abib, I don’t think I ever thanked you for sending me Rashad Khalifa’s books. Also, I still receive the monthly Bulletin of International Community of Submitters Publication, THE SUBMITTERS PERSPECTIVE every month from Masjid Tucson thanks to you."

Then, Abib got angry about the exposure and said this to Bashir:

"As of yesterday, I instructed +our secretary+
to delete your name from the data base.
You will not be receiving anything +from us+."

This was in 1997 and Abib said +"our secretary"+ and +"from us+" while still denying his affiliations with the submitters and while copying things from the submitters homepage, just as Ahmed has done on here!!!


Ahmed said to me: "I don't debate with Yaska, Ansaari, Bashir(only when he gets another personality -- which is only for FUN!), etc etc etc. You seemed to want to know the truth -- but then again, you changed your mind(which is your right!)"

Yes, I want the truth to come out. The truth is that Ahmed is a hypocrite. A hypocrite in Ahmed wouldn’t admit that he follows what is NOT in the Quran. He instead wants you to believe that he follows ONLY the Quran.

Since the finality of the messengerhood of Muhammad is NOT “very clear from the Qur’an”, we Muslims rely on, decided and agreed with our messenger Muhammad himself who said he was last messenger of Allah and that there wouldn't be another messenger after him, the same way we rely on him and follow his source of the formula of prayers.

As you know, the formula of prayers are NOT in the Quran.

Unlike Ahmed, we Muslims do not agree with Ahmed’s cult membership and their sources, the Rashad Khalifa's wickedness and his fabricated teachings and their formula of prayers.

Unlike them, we pray the way the prophet prayed and unlike the hypocrites, We Muslims, at least, admit to following the QURAN + SUNNAH.

Ahmed wouldn't tell you that he follows the HADEETH of Rashad Khalifa about the PRAYERS.

Ahmed wants you to believe that he follows the QURANIC TEACHINGS on SALAAT.

What a hypocrite!

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Alyisa

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WoW I'm just amazed beyond words. So uh Ahemd u actualy believe there is another prophet? If so, where in the Quran does Allah tell us about his forthcoming? The arival of all the other prophets were mention in the preceding books. Ok let's just say for the sake of argument that there is another messenger, what exactly is his message to the world? Moses(pbuh) came with the ten commandments, Jesus(pbuh) the bible and Mohammed(pbuh)the Quran. What about this new fella?
Oh man this is just beyond me I'm at loss for words. Reading some of the articles and comments posted on here I feel like I'm at an anti-mohammed, anti-Islam site.


"Oh Allah let not our hearts deviate from the truth once you've guided us grant us mercy with your own presence surely you're the greatest Grantor of all bounties."

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims,

Umar,

It IS clear from the Qur`an the FINALITY of the Prophethood in Muhammad -- it is ALSO clear from the Qur`an the Messengership in Muhammad. ALSO, from verse 3.81 of the Qur`an, it's VERY clear that there will be another Messenger after Muhammad. AND, because you couldn't answer my questions -- I CANNOT help you understand it. This is elementary, Umar. It is VERY clear that a messenger will come after Muhammad -- as MUCH clear as Muhammad is in the Bible.

Also, for the zillionth time -- I DO NOT hold you such high status enough to lie about ME. TO me, Umar -- you're JUST another muslim...who i see and leave. NOTHING more. Please, do not flatter yourself. I'm ANYTHING but a hypocrite. My whole life is based on TEACHINGS from all of the sects -- if I didn't tell you THIS before, then surely...i'm one of the losers. AND, if I did...and you're concealing that, then surely...the curse of God is upon the concealors.

And, make NO mistake -- when and IF I decide about Rashad, for better or worse, you WILL hear about it...either you like it or not. I will NOT defend Abib or anyone else. I talked to him -- he sounded a nice guy...PERIOD. He told me things -- and those things are INNOCENT until proven guilty.


Alyisa,

Hiya! Long time...no see! Actually, I do NOT believe there'll be another Prophet after Muhammad. However, I do believe there'll be another Messenger after Muhammad.

TO see a proof from the Qur`an, refer to "Status of Muhammad" part one.

As for Anti-Muhammad and Anti-Islam. This is only so with the corruption. Surely, when the Qur`an talks about Jesus and his path, to the X-tians...it sounds as if it is anti., but is it? NO! Thus, God knows best! EXAMINE what is said about Muhammad and Islam...and then read the Qur`an.

To say Muhammad was human who could mistake...even grave ones -- is NOT anti-Muhammad. Just like it is not anti-Jesus to say that Jesus was a FULLY human-being and NOWHERE god. However, to those who idolize the powerless creatures...always tend to be, how should I put it -- uhm, powerless! ;)


Peace and Love to all Muslims,

-Ahmad!

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umar

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In so many places in the QURAN, Rashad KADAAB and his followers CLAIM Rashad KADAAB being the "Messenger of Covenant," after Muhammad.

For example, this is how Rashad KADAAB and his follower LIED and MISINTERPRETED THE QURAN IN ORDER TO VALIDATE Rashad KADAAD's MESSENGERHOOOD after Muhammad(SAW) :


-----------------------------------

-The prophecy of the advent of the Messenger of the Covenant. (3:81)

-The Messenger of the Covenant announces that the only religion approved by God is '"Submission" (3:19). One of his duties was to explain the meaning of 'Islam' being submission (3:84-5 & 42:13). Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him,,, (3:85)

-God tells the Children of Adam to believe in the messengers that God sends to recite his revelations. (7:35)

God send messengers to communicate after being without a messenger for a period of time. (3:164, 5:19, 44:5)

-He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth and will make it dominate all other religions. (9:35 48:28, 61:9)

-Will the Messenger of the Covenant, advocate any religion other than God's religion (Quran)? (3:83, 6:114-116)

-Rashad Khalifa ascending to the high horizon to be appointed as the Messenger of the Covenant. (3:81; 81:23)

-Mohammed was not the last messenger. (33:40, 40:34, 44:5, 72:7)

16) God's Messenger of the
Covenant is prophesied in
Verse 81 of Sura 3. The addition
of the gematrical value of
"Rashad" (505),
plus the gematrical value of
"Khalifa" (725), plus the Verse
number (81), produces 505 + 725
+ 81 = 1311 = 19x69.

(17) If we look at Sura 81, we
read about a messenger of
God who is powerfully
supported and authorized
by the Almighty (Verse 19).
Thus, Verse 81 of Sura 3,
and Sura 81, Verse 19 are strongly
connected with the name "Rashad
Khalifa" 505 + 725 + 81 = 1311
= 19x69

21) I was told most assertively, through the angel Gabriel, that Verse 3 of Sura 36 refers specifically to me. If we arrange the initialed suras only, starting with Sura 2, then Sura 3, then Sura 7, and so on, we find that Sura 36, Ya Seen, occupies position number 19.

(22) Verse 3 of Sura 36 says, "Surely, you are one of the messengers." The gematrical value of this phrase is 612. By adding this value (612), plus the sura number (36), plus the verse number (3), plus the gematrical value of "Rashad Khalifa" (505+725), we get 36+3+612+505 +725 = 1881 = 19x99.

(23) Sura 36 consists of 83 verses. If we add the sura number (36), plus its number of verses (83), plus the gematrical value of "Rashad Khalifa" (505+725), we get 36+83+505+725 = 1349 = 19x71.

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As you can see, Rashad KADAAB and his followers to TRIED to MODIFY AND CHANGE the WORDS OF ALLAH in the QURAN, but they are LAIRS.

Ciise(AS) was both a messenger and a prophet. And when Ciise comes back he will still be a *PROPHET* and a *MESSENGER*, yet Muhammad is the SEAL of all PROPHETS and the SEAL of MESSENGERS.!!

The Rashad KADAAB and his followers, including Ahmed and Abib, misinterpret Allah's QURAN.

What a lying hypocrites!

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Caraweelo

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Ahmed;
Thank you for answering all my questions.
May Allah guide you in your quest for knowledge and May Allah guide us all in the way of His Truth.
Salaam.

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Ahmad

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Asalama Alaykum Muslims!

Caraweelo,

You're welcome! And, yes, AAAAMMMMIIINNNNN!!! :)


Peace, Ahmad!

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bashir abdi.

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Ahmed can find all his answers and the solution of his confusion in the Quran itself but how many readers of the quran are there who don't understand a word of what it is saying for Allah says..."And of them are some who listen to you; but we have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they see everyone of the AYAT(proofs, evidences,lessons) they will not believe in therein"..Ancam 25.

The only thing we say to AHMED is the same thing the quran says to people like him who are engrossed in their disbelieve and CURSE THEM THE SAME WAY THE QURAN CURSED THESE PEOPLE when it said..."Say (O' mohammed saw) whoever is in error,
The Most Beneficent (Allah) will extend (the rope) to him, until, they see that which they were promised, either the torment or the hour,- they will come to know who is worst in position, and who is weaker in forces.". 19:75

WE will see who is in a bettter position when we file behind MOHAMMED AND submitters INCLUDING AHMED file behind MUSEYLAMA since OUR PROPHET ALSO INDICATED "The individual will be with whomever he ADORED" Let AHMED adore his RICHARD THE COPTIC and we ADORE MOHAMMED. Let us wait and see who was duped INTO KUFR.

We also tell ahmed unlike him we are not RESEARCHING ANYTHING, We have done that before and are assured of the messengerhood and the prophethood of our PROPHET and that he is the last and we don't check into anyone else and our prove is clearly in the QURAN..." Say (O' Mohammed): "I am on clear proof from my Lord but you deny. I have not gotten what you are asking for impatiently(the torment). The decision is only for ALLAH, He declares the truth, and he is the best of judges." Ancam 57.

Let Ahmed wait and ridicule those who follow unlike him THE QURAN AND SUNNAH.

Allah says in another verse " For every news there is a fact, i.e. for everything there is an appointed term(and it is also said that for every deed there is a recompense) and you will come to know". Mashallah look at this beauty. Inshallah AHMED will find the truth in his death bed or in the grave before the big day and hope he tastes the outcome of his DESBELIEVE.

Allah said in another verse.." If they belie you (O' mohammed) say you:"Your Lord is the Owner of the vast mercy, and never will his wrath be turned back from the people who are mujrimin". Ancam 147.

this is clear address to AHMED AND HIS SUBMITTER BROTHERS. If you have any doubts of their GAALNIMO VISIT the website AHMED copied from.
http://www.submission.org/mohamed-write


Ahmed ilaahaan ka magan galney iyo beentiisa "And say;" My Lord! I seek refuge with you from the whisperings(suggestions) of the devils..And I seek refuge with You My Lord! lest they may attend(or come near) me."23 97 98....Like AHMED DOES WHEN HE IS SUBMITTING HIS new prophet's sayings "Rashad said this and that to discredit what our prophet said."

I would like to close this AYAH for AHMED.."And if they belie you, say:"For me are my deeds! You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what You do". 10:41

It is up to AHMED to believe whatever he wants to believe in. It is not acceptable he visits this forums and acts like he is the JEWEL IN THE CROWN and THE FOLLOWERS OF MOHAMMED ARE WRONG WHILE HE BELIEVES IN HIS SATANIC QURAN FROM RICHARD KHALIFA.

Qiyaamo aan isku aragno inta ka horeysa adiga meeshaan ka muran with your submission to the devil, I have other important issues to attend to if you will excuse me.

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ANTI - KADAAB

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ku to all muslims,

sad, very sad indeed to waste so much energy to someone like this one. brother umar is enough to bring OUT the lies of this man. FROM NOW ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS THIS ONE WE ADRESS HIM AS " AHMED KADAAB". WIXII HADA KA DAMBEEYA WAXAAN UGU YEERAYNAA " AHMED KADAAB" SABABTOO AH WAA BEENAALE ILAAH IYO NABIGIISA BEEN KU ABUURANAYA.
HE IS A BIG LIER AND HYPOCRIET JUST LIKE HIS FRIENDS MENTIONED ABOVE WRITINGS.

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ALLAALE

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war nikaan kadaab waa dhaafay kadaab waa iqarse ninkani waa DAJAAL YAR.
magacaas baa kuhaboon.

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Concerned Muslimah

Friday, August 18, 2000 - 12:20 pm
First of all Asalamu ala mani tabacal hudaa.

To Ahmed:

Let me talk some sense into you, you obviously have no knowledge.

As for Rashad Khalifah, he is nothing but an imposter. Do you know anything about the islamic history, when the messenger of God(saw) died, there arose many imposters claiming to be messengers, but they were never successful. You claim to take the quran as a source of your deen but I am starting to doubt that. you obviously haven't read the verse;

"And Muhammed is not the father of any of you but he is the messenger of God and the last of the prophets."

Just this June, after I was coming from school, I saw this man sitting at the corner of the road sitting on a sijaayad, dressed like a muslim you know with the Khamees and everything and I was like mashaa allah fiiri ninka muslimka ah salaadu dhameeyey wuu ducaysanayaa, and then my friend tells me that is the same impression that he got at first but when he went up to greet him then the man was claiming to be a prophet. Wallahi it's akhiri zamaan, but it's so sad people like ahmed are being misguided from the true path because they believe everything any one says.

As for the sunnah, its nothing but an explanation of the quran. The quran for instance tells you to pray,but not how many times a day or how many rakats each prayer is. We know this because its been transmitted and this is how the prophet(saw) prayed. This is the sunnah and its an essential part of the deen. You guys from the deviated sect are such hypocrites you criticize the sunnah so much, but you implement parts of it in your real life.

Wallahi Wabillahi Watallhi I am grieved on your account. Would you follow everyone(awalaw kaana
shaydaanu yadcuuhum ilaa cadaabi saciir???) even if it was the devil calling them to the hellfire?

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