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Mursal

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I am in love with a girl for the last past two yearsand intend to marry herbut my parents are against this matchbecouse her father who was born Muslim of late has given up his prayers and fast,

(but he gives zakah secrifices, and has full knowledge of the Islamand also has faithin Allah. Secondly her Mother was "KHURAFI" before her marriage but now she is very much Muslin. Is it legal for me to marry her against my parent's wishs, If yes, How?,and if now Why?).
OR shuld i wait till my parents agree to this match?.

Don't give me any answer if you don't know :

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Anonymous

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Listen young man,

We don't know the circumstances of their denying unless we get the whole story. Just like this is not easy to give you an advice. You are right if we don't know we don't answer! I think you may not get any reply because many things are missing out here.
Best is to see near sheikh to you or go to Mosque because what you looking is "Legal" and "Unlawful".

Wassalam.

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xirsi

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It is not illegal for you to marry this girl. She is still halaal for you even if your parents do not approve of her. However, it is recommended that you take and seek the advice from your parents. But it is not that the girl that you want to marry is the one who is NOT practicing the religion; it is her father. The two things do not connect. If her father is not practicing the religion that does MEAN your future wife will be like her father. No one takes another one’s burden, responsibility and blood line does NOT make a person irreligious.

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MrFaroole

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TO: Mursal::
Salaam Bro:

You being in a love before marriage is one-half disqualification mark for the marriage since most of such marriage end up in failure.
But the fathers religion practices are of one consquence, although he should know that none of his deeds are acceptable without five deily prayers.
On the other hand, the religion of the girl's mother is of non consquence especially if she has reverted to Ismal. that she was formerlya "Khurafi" should not be even mentioned now.

It is of course perfect legal for a mature Muslim to marry without the consent of his parents, although such a step is very strongly indivisable.

Since my answer is a "legal,Yes," The how of it is very simple.You need wto witnesses and the consent of the girl's father to get married.
Islamic low are pretty simle.

But if you could wait for the approval of your parents, That would be better. Famalial harmony is essential for a peaceful life after marriage...

I think This is pervect answer which you were looking for...........

Thanx 2 all...

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HonestGirl

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Salaam ya'll....

Mursal.....brotha ur question is easy.....any1 would probably know the answer for it.......but not every1 will give u the right advice......we can give u our opinions and u can take 'em or not......

First for all.....if the girl'z father is not practicing the religion no more......then what's her problem with it.........in Allah's face she did not leave the religion......and besides...u r marrying the girl.....u r not marrying her father.....so if u really and i mean REALLy love the girl.........then go ahead and marry her......BUT u also said ur parents r against it........so u might wanna talk to ur parents......tell them that u really want the girl......tell them that "her father doesnt pray maskaxda ma galeeyso, ceebkale gabadha ha ku sheegaan".......if they insist.....then brotha u only get ur parents once.......but there r lots of girlz in this world....that would make u and ur parents HAPPY.......

thats the best i can say...and i wish u luck brotha

till lata
Honest Girl said

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LADAN

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HonestGirl THANKS....THANKS....THANKS..
Waxaan dhihi lahaaba adaa dhahay.
Macallinka jawaabta rabo, saxaabada waxay guursadeen qaarkood gabdho aabayaalkood gaalo ahaayeen, waalidkaa runta u sheeg ayaga gabadha ma guursanaayaan adigana gabadha aabeheed ma guursanaysid. Haday diidaan inay fahmaan hawada ka baxa ku dheh gabadhaadana guurso, ayagana xuquuqdooda ilaali waalid waaye 99.99% way iska aqbali doonaan mudo ka dib
GOOD LUCK

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Mursal

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Salaam Alllll.

Thanks to you all, I am really very glad the advice you gave me all, Special My Borthe Mrfaroole. Thank you very much bro. Though My 2 sister HonestGirl & LADAN & Others advice me nicely too,
But My question was not that Girl's Father whether he be nice or not it is not concerning to me just i informe you what he is.
But my real question was that, shall i marry her without consent my parents. And My brother Mr Faroole told me tha real path. thank you all again.

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Anonymous

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Hey Mursal were you making the question or it was true and you just wanted something to read. Becouse it does not make sence that all this is happening to you.

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abdul

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brother are we just talking or are we just playing because iam very confuse here if you love the girl what i mean's to attempt to married nometter what's her religion is then you can married if you'r muslim and male and i thing that;s what everyone here trying to tell you too and i wish you good and i pray for you brother you'r idea was good and it's good to know thinks you don't know them

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Hussein-A

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My dear respected brother
firstable Asalaamu calaykum.

Second if i return your quastion brother it is simple, but you and other brothers and sister make it difficult 4 the whole issue brother. But my quastion is if it is tru, you could go to the nearest mosque or Sheikh and you should ask that issue brother if what you are saying is truth brother. Thirdly, Islam is a simly brother not difficult religoin brother. Marriage is lawful if you really want to marry, it doesn't matter wheather she is a Mulsim or Kuf'ar you must convert her to Islam if she is Kuf'ar, if not it is better than that bro. I don't want to give you my idea about this issue cause what we have to use is the Qur'an and Sunnah more than that is unlawfull for the our wonderful religoin brother.
wabilaahi Tawfiiq, Asalaamu calaykum

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sahra

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i want to know what it will happen if i marry
whit a western guy who is became a muslim man
is it legal or not.

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Um

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Assalamu aleikum

Innal hamdu nahmadahu wannastaghfiruhu,..........

Sis Sahr: U could marry any bro who is following the quran and the sunnah, If this bro converted to islam and u feel strongly that he is willing to adhere to the Methodolgoy of the saved sect meaning to practise the way of the salaf then by All means marry him. DOn't discriminate him for him being A non-somali, believe me there are somali's who allah swt, granted them knowledge but they don't implement it. BUt You What's BEst for yA If u could find SOmeone with those attributes and in meantime is Somali, u know what I mean. Simply because it's much easier for ya interms of cultural wise Nevertheless islam is the way of life and our culture, but If not By All means Ask Allah for guidance coz Surely Allah knows where the Khair lies. It's essential that u marry for the deen and NOt JUst coz His whity boy, beauty is skin deep. Also, pray istiqaarah, and LEt UR Wali (qof aan kugayin)or guardian make the Intro for u indeed the way of the salaf isn't that we approach brothers without the consent of our walis coz that is transgressing the limits of Islamic Shari'ah. I ask Allah to guide u to what's haqq and make ur affairs attainable.

ur ukhty fillah, Um
Wassalamu alaikum

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sahra

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to um

i don't want to marry him bacause he is white boy
but it's the love we had echter. he really cares about me and loves me too. zo what is stronger dan that.

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Cimaamadle

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Asalaamu Caleykum

TO: Mursal,

Walaal waad guursan kartaa hadaad adiga tahay nin isku filan (not money, but hiil iyo hooba) oo aad u maleynaysid waalidkaa inay bari kamaal ku xiriirinaayaan hadii aad maanta amarkooda diidid oo aad inanta aroostid. anigu kuma lihi diinayan waa xaaraan balse way kuu banaan tahay inaad aroostid gabar walba oo diin leh laakiin muhiimada ma ah aroos ee waa GUUR marka hadii guurkaaga aysan waalidkaa imaneyn ama ku farxeyn why bother! If I put myself in your postion, I honestly wouldn't marry without the permision of my lovely parents(my ALAAH gran them Jannah). Ilaahey ka bari inuu waalidkaa sidaad rabtid kaaga dhigo balse way ku banaantahay laakiin waxaa ka sii fiican mid aabe & hooyo ay raali ka yihiin kuna farxaan oo bari ubadkaaga lagu xiriiiriyo. hadii aad u maleynaysid inay hooyo/aabe hada ka xun yihiin laakin bari markaad aqal gashid carada ka dagayso oo ku xiriirinaaya oo gabadhey reer xididka yihiin qadarinaaya waxaan ku dhihi lahaa guurso laakin si fiican uga fakar amaa hadii kale ka tasho oo hooyo/aabe raali gali.

To: Sahra, wixii war ah Walaal UM ayaa dhameysan laakiin hal xikmad ay shaaca ka qaaday oo dadkeena maanta u baahan yihiin ayaan rabaa inaan tacliiqiyo. Wali la'aantiis gabar cid la hadli karta ma jirto, shariicada Islaamka saas ayey qabtaa runtii waan ku farxay markaan qeybtaas akhriyey maxaa yeelay gabdheheena sadankaan jooga arrinkaas laguma karo waxay qaarkood kuugu jawaabayaan "WAAD DAMBEYSAA, HE HE WAA WADAAD MINTID AH, NAA XABSI YUUSAN KU GALIN, etc" diinta Qasab ma ah in Muslim la noqdo laakiin waa QASAB in diinta lagu dhaqmo. Arintaas ku baraaruga walaalayaal igana raali ahaada
UM... iga raali ahoow hadalkaagii ayaa tacliiqiyay

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FAHAD

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TO MURSAL

walal mursal allah waxaa uu yiri (walaa taziru waa ziratun wizra ukhraa)nafi looma haysto nafka danbigeeda marka hadii gabadhu tahay mid diinteeda fiican tahay imana uu ilah ku qurxiyay ayna ku jeceshahay guurso nabiguba wuxuu guursaday safiya oo yuhuud ah familkeeduna cadow ku ahaa islamka iyo nabiga.

waxa muhimka ah ayaa waxay tahay hadii ay tahay gabar diin leh waalidkaga ma mamuli karo noloshada mustaqbal maxaa yelay adigaa guursanayo ee ma aha ayaga gabadha ayadna guursanaysaa ee ma aha hooyada khurafiga ama aabaheed ee marka gabadha un haday ceeb ka sheegan ka hadal hadii kale way khaldan yihiin hana ku raacin una xaqa iyo runta.(qulil xaqqa walow kaana murran)

mahadsanid

fahad1c@hotmail.com

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ahmad

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asalama `alaykum muslims,

mursal,

i cannot stress enough about how parents are very important. when god addresses things -- he always, always, says; "believe in god, and honor your parents" -- that is not really a small thing. and god does not just say things.

you can always find another woman to fall in love with and build life with, however, you will never find another parents. so, i suggest you think about that.

love is a wonderful feeling -- but WE, humans, create it with out thoughts. it's NOT the 'mystery' thing that it has been potrayed to be. no, we make our own destiny. falling in love is what we choose -- we choose who and when and why. if this is not true, people would find being 'in love' with people they don't want. na-uh, always, it's some you want. and does it take a rocket scientist to know why?

i would choose a marriage of convienience that would make me happy in the long run...than a marriage which would cost me my family and those who i love. but, then again, that is just me -- and you are your own person.

if you are religious, just know...PARENTS come first -- as long as what they are going against is not god. please, see the following verses:

[4:1] O people, observe your Lord; the One who created you from one being,
and created from it its mate, then spread from the two many men and
women. You shall regard GOD, by whom you swear, and regard the
parents. GOD is watching over you.

[6:151] Say, "Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for
you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your
parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty - we
provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious
or hidden. You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in
the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may
understand."

[17:23] Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your
parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you
shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance),
nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably.

SO ON...and so forth. ALWAYS, god puts the parent -- next to himself. does that make you wonder?

also, god talks the personality of yahya(john) in the qur`an, please look at how god defines him:

[19:12] "O John, you shall uphold the scripture, strongly." We endowed him
with wisdom, even in his youth.

[19:13] And (we endowed him with) kindness from us and purity, for he was
righteous.


[19:14] He HONORED his parents, and was never a disobedient tyrant.


look at that!!! look at the way god puts it; 'he was righteos, he honored his parents' such god is a god who gives parables for those in need(humans). it is our best interest to reflect upon them...and think and accept and obey.

i hope all go well with you and your parents. and i hope all go the right way for you and your parents.


peace - ahmad!


peace - ahmad

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anonymous.

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A word of caution to all muslims!.

This AHMED guy has changed as I think his e-mail to have a different identity. And he is the apostate somali guy who was promoting the new prophet called rashad khalifa so beware of the KUFFARS who act muslims when they are in fact apostates.

Ahmed gaal.

If you think this will work for you, you are dreaming and I am on to your neck whether you open a new mail for yourself or not. I knew from the beginning that you were looking a chance to start again your old habbits of apostacy. watch out I am here now to give you your perfect remedy.

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ahmad

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asalama alaykum muslims,

annonymous,

"changed"??? i'm not changed at all! i'm STILL the same ahmad -- with the SAME beliefs. i never believed in rashad's messengership to begin with...but i was never as 'held' to fake beliefs as you were, either, now was i? i made the effort to learn more about him -- and THAT is what.

it was others who were running around that i believed in rashad -- and its them who are beated at their own world.

as for my personal e-mail, it is not working well, at the moment. and, fyi, e-mails do not 'identify' us...but what we write and HOW we write them. and i'm still the same me! ;)

as for being on 'my neck' -- heheheh...i think that is a blessing. ;))

OH, sorry, almost forgot -- it's those who do the "annonymous" tact...that are the decievers...who cannot show their true self. uhm, OK...


*keeping my peace*

peace - ahmad!

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NeefoowKaniini

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,,,,,,Waar Ummad yahay ninkan kadaatee Ahmed ah waa leydin daba dhigee isaga hara ,,,,,oo midda kale waxa uu meeshan hadda ku wada qoray waa aayada quraan ah ee laga soo xigtay Quranka ee sideed wax ku waddaan oo aad u gaaleyneysaan ruux la soo taagan quraankii Ilaahay iyo Hanuunkiisii.


Waaryaarahee inta wax isku fashaan ilaahaygiinii ka baqda ee ummadda ha ku dambaabina dambowda'e....


Nimankiinan kadaatee la wada baxay Anonymouska inta isku xishootaan meherad yeesha,,mid yiraaho Sheikh Talyaaniga joogaan telephone kula hadlay oo fulaani waa gaal iyo mid Caution la dabataagan,,,,,.....


Midda kale aayadahaa Quraanka ee uu Ahmed daliishaday ma wax qalad ahi baa idiinka muuqda,


Waar nimanyahow lama kala gardaraadee aynu is yaraha xushmeyno ee ruux waloow dhiibo Taladaada ...........


NeefoowKaniini

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anonymous.

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neefoowkaniini.

Adiga waxaa kuu fiican caamada aad tiri waan ahay inaad ahaato oo aad iska aamusto. Axmed waa midka hadda leh oo walaalo kale kula doodaaya labo aayadood oo quraanka ka tirsan baan hubinyaa iney quraanka ka tirsan yihiin iyo in kale wuxuuna leeyahay rashad nin la yiraahdo system uu isticmaaley yaan anna rabaa inaan isticmaalo kadibna go'aamiyo labada ayadood inaan tuuro iyo in kale. Bal adiga ka warran qof muslinoo waxaa aamminsan?

halkaan booqo.

...about rashad khalifa and his messengership!

oo isla meeshaan islam.2000 ku taal haddii kale iska cammis awalba caammaad aheyde meeshan haku lumin halaag baa ka socda.

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NeefoowKaniini

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,,,,,,,Wax la qariyaa sidiisaba qurun baa la yiri, waxaan hadda kula doodo ama aan kaala xaajoodo ee meesha iiga muuqdaanamba jirin Kol haddaanad muujin karihayn magac Cyberka lagaaga yaqaan..Anonymous uun haddaad la soo mutaxan tahay ..,,....


Caammaan ahay inaan iraaho baa malyan goori ii dhaanto intaan Sheegan lahaa Sheikhal Xaara oo aanan ahayn,,,,ama aan iftoon lahaa arrin mugdi iyo jahli iiga jiro,,ama aan Anonymous inta la soo baxo aan qoon idilli aan gaaleysiin lahaa xuja la'aan,,......


Yaadhahee ha ku doodinna waxaanad cilmi iyo Yiqiin aanad u lahayn,,...


Yaadhahee ha iftooninna waxaanad cilmi iyo juhdi aanad ku sameyn.......

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anonymous.

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neefoowkaniini.

dood ma taal meesha. adiga waxaad yeeshaa ama halkan daliil la imoow nin leh aayado quraan ka tirsan baa shaki iiga jira inaad dad kula dagasho ama gardarrada dhaaf oo iska aamus.

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Uma Ahmed

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salaamu calaykum waraxamtulaahi wabarakaatu:

TO: NeefoowKaniini.


bacda salaan walaal su'aal hadii aan ku waydiiyo qofka kala reeba Kitaabka Ilaahay soo dejiyey ee ah Quraanka iyo Sunnadii Nabiga scw maxuu yahay xukunkiisu in Islam?

tankale hadaan nahay Muslimiin waxaan leenahay Arkaan Islam iyo Arkaan Imaan qofka ka soo hor jeesta mid ka mid ah oo inkira maxuu yahay? oo maxay ku xukumtahay Shareecadu?

sidoo kale qofka inkira Ayado dhan oo Quraan ah isagana ii sheeg xukunkiisa shareecada? waalaahu mustacaan,

wasalaamu caalaykum waraxmatulaahi wabarakaatu.


ukhtakum filaah
Uma Ahmed

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Anonymous

Sunday, July 02, 2000 - 10:15 am
Asalam Aleikum,
During the lifetime of our prophet, PBUH, a similar incident took place. One of the sons of Umar bin Khattab married a girl, who his father just didn't like. The hadith did not specify why he didn't, but he told his son to divorce her. The son refused and after several arguments, the son went to the Holy Prophet PBUH to complain. The prophet listened to the argument, and told the son to obey his father and divorce his wife. You see, that teaches a lesson when it comes to your parents authority. If they are just being mean and are preventing you from marrying her for stupid reasons, leave it to Allah, they will answer for it. But if they were right, then you should listen to them regardless. By the way, you could ask any one who has knowledge of hadith if this hadith is true, and they will tell you it is. Good luck bro!

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