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     | Unrecorded Date Salaam to All my sister Difficulty in wearing hijaab (Islamic dress code) Difficulty in studying without having to mix with the opposite sex Difficulty in getting married according to Islamic law Difficulty in getting divorced according to Islamic law Difficulty in receiving her financial rights, such as inheritance, according to Islamic law Difficulty in finding Muslim friends who could help her adhere to her religion Difficulty in finding halaal meat that has been slaughtered in accordance with Islamic law, or finding some foodstuffs, such as sweets etc., that are not mixed with alcohol or lard (pork fat) Difficulty in doing some sports, such as swimming, in a place that is screened from the view of men Difficulty and embarrassment in avoiding invitations to unsuitable parties such as Christian holidays and mixed wedding parties
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| | Unrecorded Date I can't speak for all western countries. But certainly in America and Germany the following should not be problems: Wearing the Hijab. You can wear whatever clothing you like. Those who don't like it, that's their problem. Getting married according to Islamic law. Again not a problem, but you will have to get a marriage certificate sanctioned by the state. These two things are NOT in conflict. Same with getting a divorce. Of course, Islamic law is not the law of the land in the west. So you can't expect inheritance and financial laws. If you look around you can find womens activities that are closed to men - like arobics and swimming. Some woman just don't want to be gawked at. Check your telephone book for womens clubs or ask your social worker. You can certainly attend a X-Mas party for example. Just like I can attend an Eid feast. Same for parties. If alcohol is served just don't drink. Even in Somalia you can find bars where alcohol is served. Just don't partake or serve it. There are also womens universities in America and private high schools, although they tend to be expensive. If you don't want to go that route, then you have to accept that your education will entail sharing a classroom with both men and woman. That is not Haram, however, as long as there are plenty of people in the class. In Kenya they have mixed sex schools as well and there are plenty of Muslims there. You are free to exercise your religion. Of course, Christianity is not viewed as a way of life like Islam is, so it doesn't dominate our culture in quite the same way. Nevertheless, for the reasonable person it should not be hard to follow their religious precepts. One of my fundamental beliefs, and certainly one I would fight for, is the right of every one in America to practice their own religious beliefs without discrimination. And most Americans agree with this. If you came to my place of work and wanted to wear a Bui Bui you would be welcome to do so and your religious requirements would be respected as much as possible. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. You have the RIGHT to express adhere to your religion in America and when people trample on those rights you must take them to court and defend them. Inshallah your time in America or wherever in the west will be a happy one and not one plagued by intolerance. Nabad Gelyo Abai.
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| | Unrecorded Date mad mac are you mislim or not, its just certain things you said made me think you are not peace
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| | Unrecorded Date what i feel is importnt is that U can live in Amerca or europe and practice your religon without a worry but af course there will be some whom would not like our religion and that does not mean we cannot stand up for that and defend your self lawfully wherever U are I am a muslim andI know what Mr Mad Mac have said and I thank for his support about info that he gave u regarding our muslim girls living in Christian countries. I hope that my message inform you of what I meant to tell you, and I am sure that you are a wise person who understand the nature of things.
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| | Unrecorded Date "does not mean we cannot stand up for that and defend your self lawfully wherever U are" I bet the Muslim Albanians in Kosovo, the muslim Bosnians and the muslims in chechnya all thought that too !!!!!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Sista You're comparing apples and oranges. America and Western Europe are culturally light years from the Balkans and the Caucusus. Muslims have the same rights as everyone else. Are there narrow minded people who would like to trample on those rights? Of course there are. Just as there are narrow minded muslims who tranple on others rights in places like the Sudan. But MOST Americans and Europeans believe that people have an inalienable right to practice their religious beliefs. When others trample on those rights there are legal recourses that you can take. I just moved out of Pfungstadt Germany which has about 100 Somalis living there and also a fairly large Turkish population. To be sure, they're minorities. But all of the Somali woman (almost all) wore traditional Somali clothing - including a Hijab. It was no big deal. None of them encountered any problems that they voiced to me (and I hung out with the Somalis there all of the time) because of this. In fact, the biggest problem they had was that Somalis tend to be very social and they congregate in large groups at an apartment and that would annoy their neighbors. The Germans are big on quiet. So I stand by what I wrote before. Muslims have the same rights as everyone else. Our forefathers fought and died for those rights. Don't let people trample on them.
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| | Unrecorded Date My advise my muslim bothers and sisters living in non-muslim countries is always be on your guard and never forget the atrocities that muslims have suffered under the christian counterparts.
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| | Unrecorded Date I saw alot of muslim girls have a boy freinds in westren countries, they go clubs and staff like that, and their parents are stricly muslim. and my question is WHY THE YUONG MUSLIMS IGNORE THEIR RELIGION ESPECIALLY SOMALIS, AND PRETEND OTHERS? some that people if you ask why you doing this and this their answer is ISN'T BIG DEAL OR IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW/ finally can some one tell the idea beyond that please?.
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| | Unrecorded Date Me.Abraham. That is because they are not educated too well about islam. Just like how a lot of christians do what is forbidden in the bible.
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| | Unrecorded Date so you mean the idea beyond that is they are not well educated. We christians we do some forbidden things but we got forgiveness from our lord jesus. BASHIR ABDI I need more information about previous questionacording your knowledge, becouse I want know more. sorry I didn"t whrite my name probably before
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| | Unrecorded Date Sista Good advice. Old Father Michaels can advise Christians never to forget how the atocities they've suffered under Muslims. We can work hard to breed contempt and loathing for each other. Excellent idea. Using your methodology we should be able to get eveyone hating everyone in noe time.
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| | Unrecorded Date mel Abraham. Jesus never claimed himself that he forgives any sins but taught his deciples that they will be rewarded acording to their deeds. He was a prophet of god just like moses before him and Mohammed after him. And you can find from the bible: ""They were all filled with awe and praised God, "A great Prophet has appeared among us," they said. "God has come to help his people." This news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding country." Luke 7:16-7; You see, those people were very happy and praised ALLAH when they realized they had been sent a prophet who was mercy and guidance. That is the spirit of the early christians. They used to worship and praise god NOT HIS creation JESUS THE SON OF MARY. There is no where in the bible and you can bring it if you have where jesus says he forgives sins or that he is god. You can find saint paul the writer of the bible may be which I even doubt exists but never Jesus's word. Again somewhere else Jesus tells people that his mission is prophetic and not GODSHIP as christians claim when he said: "..."I have not come on my own; but he (God) sent me." John 8:42 You see prophets don't ask their followers to worship them but they teach them how to worship the GOD who sent them. And in the above verse from the bible you see that Jesus is telling his audience that he is from god and didn't come on his own meaning there is no private gain for him to come but with the mission of god and to teach israelites what they had lost through the ages AFTER moses left. Your claim is not TRUE and I tell you why. Why DO AMERICANS HAVE A SYSTEM TO PUNISH THOSE WHO DO WRONG?. Send them to jails and not CLAIM THAT JESUS FORGAVE THEM SIMPLY?. It is not logical is it?. It is against the COMMON SENSE that somebody does what HE/SHE wants and expects THAT HE/SHE will be forgiven. HITLER IS FORGIVEN ACCORDING TO YOU TODAY RIGHT?. Because he was a fundamentalist christian who massacred jews just because above everything else they KILLED JESUS.(which is ANOTHER SLANDER TO GOD) How can god be KILLED and his blood spilled by weak humans) Another proplem that can't be explained. Brother, this CLAIM OF FORGIVENESS by Jesus DOESN'T make sense even to CHRISTIANS. There is a saying even in American MAIN STREAM: YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME. The same goes for ALL PEOPLE regardless of their religion. ALLAH will punish them or forgive them. He is the only AUTHORITY who has the power TO FORGIVE AND PUNISH. So don't do drugs and shoot people or mess around with forbidden things and expect YOU ARE SIMPLY FORGIVEN. It will never happen. As for MUSLIMS allah tells them that he will forgive them if they repent and don't do the what they did BEFORE decidedly. However it is never gauranteed that A MUSLIM DOES SOMETHING WRONG WHILE HE IS COUNTING ON ALLAH'S FORGIVENESS. That is pure aggression and MAKING ALLAH A GOD THAT IS AGGRESSIVE AND TEACHES HIS SERVANTS TO BE AGRESSORS. And this is why muslims ARE SUPOSED TO PRAY ROUND THE CLOCK asking forgiveness and working hard to earn the forgiveness. Not TO SIMPLIFY FORGIVENESS like you did just earlier. I stop here right now. And I tell you a true religion is the one that AGREES WITH THE COMMON SENSE MOST OF THE TIME. And speaking of common sense this CHRISTIAN FORGIVENESS BY JESUS IS JUST PLAIN STUPID IF NOT ANTICOMMON SENSE. Mad Mac. Everybody has brains in his head. It doesn't mean a sister speaks of her mind and everymuslim will take his sword and cut your head off(As some would love to claim all the time that muslims do). And what the sister said is true if you read history. It can happen anytime. It happened at the oklahoma city bombimng that many muslims were harrassed and threatened and many mosques were burned down simply the HYPOCRITES IN THE MEDIA SUGGESTED that it was the WORK OF A MUSLIM TERRORIST. True. christian abuse of muslims can happen anytime anywhere they are the majority AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PEACE WITH JEWS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. If war breaks out today in the middle east and that many american soldiers are killed you think NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO MUSLIMS IN AMERICA?. That is what the sister means.
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| | Unrecorded Date Bashir Abdi But what I mean is that we have to work together and learn to foster some TRUST amongts each other so that if war breaks out and America finds itself fighting and Islamic country like Syria it can trust its Muslim Citizens who are Americans. Now this means that you (muslims) have to have faith (I don't mean faith in the religious sense of the word)in your non-muslim leaders. Even if you don't agree with the policy (and I'm sure many Muslims would not) you have to vent your disapproval in legal ways. That's what being American is all about. This is the core of tolerance and co-existence. If, on the other hand, you have people spouting off about JIHAD against the Great American Satan, well of course you're going to have a negative reaction. Now burning down mosques (which I did not hear about) is illegal so I hope the culprits were apprehended and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But listen to her rhetoric. It promotes a hostile attitude toward non-muslims. That is a BIG mistake if you live in a country where you're a relatively small minority. Furthermore, if the Muslim world and the Westen world do not bury the past and move on, we will forever find ourselves with recrimination after recrimination. Nothing positive will come out of that. That's the same thing that's going on here in the Balkans. Is that what you want the world to be like for your children? PS - glad to see you're back on the net.
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| | Unrecorded Date mad mac AND MUSLIMO i do agree what mad mac said about living in western cauntries and still keep you'r faith don;t matter where you at but you still have to remember you'r faith iam in usa and i do pray and practice my faith in the cristian community and no one pather you because of you'r pleive. woman wearning hijab; and if the muslim sister want to get married there;s a shiek who make the comitment and i don't see what's the diferent make living in the cristianity caunties and i thing everything's whe way you parform it's not the way you thing i have seen alots of sister who change there culture because they came to america i have seen guys do that too ; that's not ther excuse once it cames to the day of judiment that;s all i have to say
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| | Unrecorded Date Hallo to my brothers and sisters in Islam. Aad ayaan ugu farxay topicgan, waayo waatii la yiri finding the problemen and discussing it is a half the solution, so go on and exchange each other experiences and knowledge. I believe every one who is determened to practice his religion can do it every where. There have been a lot of changes in western countries in the matter of respecting and giving more freedom and space to other Believes, so in this year 2000 i don't believe any body who is still comlpaining about Cunsuriyad. Ofcourse there 'll always be discrimination among the ppl, but that is where u r faith jumps in; 'll u run away and give up easily or 'll u fight for u r rights till the end?! About our fear as Moslims in western counttries: How come that we r really here and not in our own Moslim (wonderfull!) countries? We don't have to get that paranoïd, we didn't feel/weren't safe in our own countries, although everybody out there supose to be a moslim (a good one too), although there r a lot of rich and not overcrowded Moslim countries who didn't want us to come in their countries! So bro's and sis's, u don't know wether, where, how long and how u gonna be safe, just pray with me that OUR KIND 'll come to his senses, and very soon. Just be true to u r self and u r ALLAH, always. Waslmu calykum. Sister L.
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| | Unrecorded Date Lula Couldn't have said it better myself Abai.
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| | Unrecorded Date IS NOT THAT THAY ARE NOT ADUCATATE IS THAT THERE PARENT ARE NOT GINE THEM TIME, ALSO PPL ARE MAKEING MUSLIM REGOIN HARD WHICH IS NOT HARD IF U LOOK THE BRIGHT SIDE IF YOU NOW WHAT I MEAN
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 04:24 am Any new news on this front? Have any of you suffered because of your religious beliefs since being in America?
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 01:51 pm MAD MAC and ABRAHAM I think you are BISHOPS hiding under the Screem, you are so lucky they can't FIGURE you out!!!! isn't it?!!!!! ADAM CADE
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 11:23 pm Adam Can you clarify what you mean here? I'm not a Bishop I'm a soldier, but beyond that even if I were a Bishop I wouldn't get your point here.
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| | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 03:56 pm hello everyone. i agree one thing with MAD MAC that in America u have the right of worship, i am in the US marines stationed in japan. We have more than muslim military membber from diferent branches, we are allowed to take half day off on fridays for our friday prayers and ramadhan we are allowed to get off early than others and not to do nothing other than office work(light duty), any one who tease us or make fun of our religion his carreer is in my hand that i can court marshall him and carreer can be over unless i forgive him, that is is the military rules, i think civilian has the same or better. one other thing i can wear my koffia in my uniform while other are wearing military caps. when doing physical traing(running) muslim are allowed to wear long sweat pants but the rest are wearing shorts. we are allowed to do anything as long we can prove from the quran. so why do people blame america or westerns .i think we can practise our religion better here than we were in SomaLIA. I swear God some of my fellow Marine wishes they we muslim because i get more rights than them , coz they don't practice nay religion that is why i have more right than them. so let us not blame our host country and blame ourselfsd. about the burnt masjid is true one was in MN and still inestigations going on and the other one was in denver if i am not wrong that one they found the person and they was and attempt of of burning masjid somewhere in DC and they found the culprit so i hear this news everytime b4 most of u and i appreciate MAD MAC the u educate the society and u will be keep getting negative attitude but keep trying. bye contact MOYUAB@hotmail.com
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| | Monday, August 21, 2000 - 11:04 pm Sweetgirl What do you think on this subject? I mean, you are a Moslem living in the west.
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| | Wednesday, August 23, 2000 - 04:33 pm well,i first think that we are all glad to be born in a muslim country.Secondly,i wanna say HI to that brother in Japan.He is really working for living and at sametime earning it very dearly.I also think what most of you have talked above are pure and gold.Some of us have better idea than others;IT was briliant concept what the Mac guy and the guy in japan were advising to us.Religion is not the place it is how you practice it.and by low you are free to practice in usa.IN THE OTHER HAND,TEMPTATIONS AND DOING EVIL DEEDS ARE YOUR CHOICES.IT IS NOT A PRESSURE. SO LET ME SAY "DO GOOD WORK AND KEEP IN TOUCH". WASAALAMU CALEYKUM
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| | Wednesday, August 23, 2000 - 04:45 pm SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING LIKE THE WORD "BRILLIANT.BEING MUSLIM IS NOT SOMETHING TO JOKE ABOUT.WE HAVE TO BE VERY GRATEFUL AND ENJOY THE MOMENT. THANKS TO YOU ALL AND KEEP IN TOUCH.
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| | Wednesday, August 23, 2000 - 05:43 pm mustaf i have read your messages that is really nice topic to talk about but it looks like u don't have any experiance with that topic, my experiance about people who are living around the abroad si that they have really enough freedom to do whatever they like to do there is no body fine you if you pray out side, so every body depands how he practice his religion is not about lack of freedom
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| | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 10:17 am muslim girls living in christian countries mybe faced whith number of proplems,it is true,because they came christian countries,and their religion forbidins that unless they have a necesery reason which the majoraty muslim girls who live these countries do not have. mad max and those who are defending the freedom and well treatment of the christian countries specially the west and america,Iwould like to tell them that you have rules based princeples taken from your religion and that rules every one obey even your presedent,you are denaying that there are certain limited freedom in west countries,like france muslim girls can not wear islamic clothes in schools, universities,and working places,although the french call themselfs "the country of freedom". In america its true that the muslim girls practise more freedom in their daily life but the proplem is not the freedom wich the usa law permits you it is the treatment,you are in certain places un liked person,because you are practicing your religion,although other comunities who practice their culture is welcomed and their culture or religion is even needed like"budhisme".
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| | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 01:05 am Colaad Abowe, you can't legislate attitude. Some people are ignorant. What are you going to do? The law stands on the side of the individual. If you want to practise Islam you may. The law is on your side. Sometimes doing the right thing is hard. I'm going back to Somalia because I think it's the right thing to do. There's a good chance that some of your less than tolerant brethren will make me not only feel unwelcome, but they'll try and blow my head off too (I think that's the Soamli way of making someone fell unwelcome, sort of like the backwoods of Alabama). On a side note, you say that Muslim girls don't have a good reason to be in the States. Wouldn't you consider fear of death and rape at the hands of Mooryan good reason. Also, as our comrade Asad has pointed out, there are no truly Muslim countries, therefore, since Muslim woman have to live somewhere, it might as well be the States.
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| | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 09:54 am looooooool"Mad-Mac you never fail to made me laugh althought many times I acused you different things I think i am begining to see your other side. which is what ever you are, you are understanding Human being..but it just make me sad to think that you may die as a Kafir.....cuz i feel I already know u.. so may allah guide you..
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| | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:36 am MAD, You wanna go back to somalia to do your dirty job of misleading people?. Tell me why it is so important for you to go back to somalia when you have nothing in common with people out there?. jus a somali girl;: Don't be fooled by mad's nice wanna be character. He is a missiory who read the trade of lying to muslims to get the kind of reaction you just gave him. He is a disbeleiver never to be trusted who doesn't beleive in gon and his messeneger mohammed.
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| | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 11:37 am MAD, You wanna go back to somalia to do your dirty job of misleading people?. Tell me why it is so important for you to go back to somalia when you have nothing in common with people out there?. jus a somali girl;: Don't be fooled by mad's nice wanna be character. He is a missiory who read the trade of lying to muslims to get the kind of reaction you just gave him. He is a disbeleiver never to be trusted who doesn't beleive in god and his messeneger mohammed.
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 01:03 am Formerguest Abowe, lighten up a little. Everything is not a plot by the infidel. People have normal lives that don't revolve around religion. Religion for me is not a way of life like it is in Islam. I don't spend all my waking days talking about religion. It's just the theme of this thread. Go to MSNBCs boxing thread and you can find me there talking about boxing. You calling me a missionary is a joke. What am suppose to convert them to, Macism???? Get real. Asad and I have a conversation, a few people join it, and suddenly I'm a missionary. Come on, don't be a moron. Why do I want to go back to Somalia? That's simple. We didnt' finish what we went there to do. We could have stayed the course, defeated the SNA, continued to resource the reconcialliation process, and left when Somalia had a fully functioning government that represented the Somali people. So, a lot of folks, including friends of mine (both Somali and American) died for nothing. That just doesn't sit well with me. So I intend to offer my services (well worn though they now are) to facillitate the development of both political and physical infrastructure in Somalia. As for nothing in common. You are wrong. I have a lot in common with Somalis. You'd be surprised. I might argue with them a lot - but hell, they argue with each other a lot. Just because we see the world through a slightly different prism doesn't mean we have nothing in common, or that I can't understand them or they can't understand me. What a narrow view of the world you seem to hold. That all non-Muslims are never to be trusted. It is your attitude that has fostered mistrust between peoples of all kinds, each convinced that his way is the right way, that his way is the only way. Always a justification for reducing the inherent worth of someone else because they are different. You sound just like a Red Neck in black skin. Anyway, it's your loss. You can forget about scaring me off. I am well beyond intimidation and I fear no one.
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 04:04 am Formerguest walaal Ilaahay baa og wuxuu yahay, Xataa diinta Islaamku waxay ku faraysaa, inaanad eedayn qofna Ilaa aad Hubtid, wuxuu Yahahay. Markaa anba waan ku eeddeyay mararbadan inuu Ujeeto wato, Lakiin Ilaahay Ha iga saamaxo Hadii waxaanan Hubin Ann Sheegay> MAD MAC Ok Can you just Tel me one thing, where do you get all thins time to be in the Net, be Honest don,t you have any other Job to do?
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 04:21 am Actually, it seems like I'm on the net a lot but I'm really not. I read fast. I pop on, read something quick, and pop off. I type fast too. There are times that things are busy and I don't get on. there are other times when things are slow and I don't get on as much.
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 05:56 am MAd- Mac ok thanks for your respond......but really I have to admit that I can,t work out your Intres of Somali ppl...I am not Acusing you any thing any more........but it supprise me..cuz I never thought those white folks, can develop to like other Culcures, since many of them even don,t know their own Culture.specially Americans....all they thing the world Is America.......I have to say that most of them seem Ignorent.......so between me and u...why don,t you forget about Somali for little while...and Educate those lost Americans.. there is world beyon them......lol peace
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 07:00 am mad-max, western countries practice their law which inspires their religion,they do not have any contradition concerning their culture and religion,they welcome and respect everyguest who comes their country,that is what is written in their constitution and the law. the muslim women in christian countries are guests and the guest must return to their home,unless they decide to stay,and the conditions are stay minimum yaers and "integrate"be one of the society. mad-max in somalia you will be welcomed in away or another and you will be a guest,if you like to stay then you will fulfil the conditions,become one of us"muslim"
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:20 am "western countries practice their law which inspires their religion,they do not have any contradition concerning their culture and religion,they welcome and respect everyguest who comes their country,that is what is written in their constitution and the law." i don't think they respect every one who wants to come here. not everyone is welcome to the united states. there are millions who would like to come to here, but they can not come. in the united states law (if the law inspired their religion or by their culture), if you have more than one wife and you say you want to practice polygamy, you are not welcome or you are not allowed to come to the united states. "mad-max in somalia you will be welcomed in away or another and you will be a guest,if you like to stay then you will fulfil the conditions,become one of us"muslim"" many non-muslims lived and stayed in somalia. somalia is not an islamic state. there is no condition in somalia that you have to be a muslim to live there. a gaal living in somalia is no different than a homosexual living in somalia. they are both likely to be killed if they come out from closet and preach their fidnah (disbeleif) openly not by the government, but by people. ;-)
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:50 am just a girl. Dhegeyso, ninkaan wuxuu qorey yey ka muuqataa wuxuu yahay, waa gaal siduu caddeystey raba in sidiisa loo arko islaamka, wuxuuna dadka kula dagalaa in aan la noqon mara ku dhag oo la oggolaado diimaha iney siman yihiin qofkaan ku raacinna waa qof aan ilbax aheyn. Ilaahey baa og wuxuu yahay innana waan arganaa inuu gaal yahay. Adiga dumar hanagu noqon. MAD MAC. I am not surprised you act this economically viable dude. You wouldn't be stack in khaki by now if you had a dime in your pocket. Cut this crab and tell us what you gonna do truly in somalia except argue god is not the final authority and somalis are all mooryaans like you brag here all the time?.
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| | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:10 pm Formerguest Have I ever said all Somalis are Mooryan??? No, I haven't. Come on. You're being paranoid again. I seldom discuss religion with most Somalis. Once in a while, but it's not the theme of the day. I talk politics and warfare, because that's what I'm about. That's what I do. Religion for me is something to discuss on the side, in an existential moment. Know what I mean. True, I am not rich. My Army pension will provide me with a reasonable standard of living and the freedom for other pursuits. I have a bunch of aid projects in mind which I plan to get the US and German governments to finance, as well as some NGOs. They're all about infrastructure. And I quote: The true measure of success is service rendered to God, Country, and mankind. You then say, but Somalia is not your country and my God is not your God. I counter with, what's good for Somalia is good for America. A healthy, stable Somalia trading with the US is good for our economy. I also counter with maybe my God and your God are more closely linked than you think. You counter with I'm a lousy Kufaar. I respond with a sturdy •••• you!! And so forth. Or, the conversation could go like this. I say, I want to go to Somalia and do some aid projects, infrastructure development, maybe facillitate some business growth. You say "Mac, that's a great idea." I say, thanks Sahib. And we're both happy campers.
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 10:49 am Dear Muslima, Why should this be problems to muslims girls? I mean Muslim women are not ones to be shielded from the harshness of this western society. even if they stayed back home, they would be facing yet other kinds of problems. This western world however does come with some advantages like freedom to dress the way u want to, studying ur beliefs (Even praying while working). so i dont think they are facing many problems like u just stated. Somalis shouldnt be so protective of their women like they are fragile or easily influenced! peace
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 05:03 pm Concerned- somali-citizen. We know the view of HALAL somalis and their respect for islam and muslim culture. If you have other purposes in the loop that you would like to bring out later on, don't take that long and start shooting your cheap shots at islam and somalis. Don't waste your time. Take advantage of every minute and say what you wanna say without the somali crab names you are attaching to yourslef. Don't be concerned with our protective attitude towards somali women when you don't share that view with us.
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| | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 01:51 am Formerguest Do you have a protecive attitude toward Somali Women???? What does that trnslate to in practical terms. If you saw a Somali man with a American non-Muslim woman would you react the same way as if you saw a Somali woman with a non-Muslim American man? Would that reaction be tolerance for another viewpoint or would you be inclined to stick you nose in someone elses business?
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