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mursal

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i think this god think is just a made up stuff...just to make people do good and scare of hell and evils and stuff

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nuur

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u must be insane man..
masha'alah. war maxaa kugu dhacey.
ma qamraa ka dheregtey.

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Caraweelo

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Mursal-
If your "god" is "material wealth and the pursuit of happiness on earth"- then yes, you have created your own 'god'.
But all of creation knows that there is only one Creator- ONE.
If you understand physics- you would know there is a CREATOR.
If you understand, human biology and chemistry- you would know there is a CREATOR.
If you understand geology, you know that the CREATOR EXISTS.
But our Lord and Creator has also told us- that HIS SIGNS ARE EVERYWHERE- but few understand them.

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xirsi

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Musal, if you "scare of hell and evils and stuff", then you know that there is a God. I mean, I bet that you believe that there is a ga God and he is the the creator of everything, but it is just that you reject and deny Him, His existence and His laws. I bet that, in many times in your life time, you cried and shouted and said "Oh My God!" in your conscious without realizing it, especially when something good or bad happens to you. That is how the atheists react too. Everyone understands and sees God's signs, but they only reject it. Kufur is rejection.

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FU'AAD

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WALAALAHAYGA MUSLIMKA AH ASSALAAMU CALAYKUM WARAXMATULLAAHI WABARAKAATU, WALAALKAYGA GAALKA AHNA OO AAN KU WALAALOWNEY ILMA AADAM WAXAAN KU ORAN LAHAA ALLE HAKU SOO HANUUNIYO AAMIIN.
.......WALAALAHAYGA MUSLIMKA AHOOW ALLE HA IDIN DHAWRO ADUUN IYO AAKHIROBA HADALKII IDINKAA DHAMEEYEY ANAA HARAYNA LOOMA HADLO E NINKU MA AJNABI BAA MISE INGUU INAGA DHASHAY (SOOMAALI KUMA DHIHI KAREE) BERYAHANBA WAX BAA GAALOOBAY BAA LA LAHAAYEAA MISE AWELBA SOOMAALI = SAMAALE MA AHAYN, WALAAL MURSAL HADDAAD NAGA DHALATAY OO AAD FARTA AAN WAX KU QORAAYO TAQAANID NOO SOO SHEEG.

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mursal

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Cara weelo,,,do you have evidence if there is a god. i know biology and physics. both has nothing to do with god..and creation. ok,,,,example biology says,, we are from a single cell or evalution and you believe that "XAWA AND ADAN" was made by god and we are from them....
physcis.....says the earth was created by 405 billion years ago in proccess of chemicals...and you blieve it was made in 7 days.....
you blieve in "al arth wal qamer" there is ZIRILION Of them.....


in myself i still blieve god,,,but there is no such a god,,,iam really sorry to say this, but it's just an old story that we are told.....

show me a hard evidence of if there is a god....
how come we never see god.

one day i had fight with this girl in bus,,,she said she had a dream of god,,,and she saw god....i said how does he look like,,,,
is he black or white or what....she said god has no color,,,,i said humen eye can see only color....

keep blieving in god is ok you know....
but iam just little not sure you know

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FUAAD

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IF ALL YOU WANT IS TO SEE GOD
THEN, YOUR ISSUE OF BELIEVING GOD IS SIMPLE,
I WANT ASK YOU A QUETION, SUPPOSE YOU MADE
A PLATE OR A CUP CAN THEY SEE YOU? SURELY NOT
BECUOSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER THAT THEY CAN SEE YOU? AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO SEE ALLAH IN THIS WORLD BUT THE MUSLIMS BLIEVE THAT ALLAH WILL GIVE THEM POWER IN THE JANNA AND THE GOOD PEOPLE WILL SEE ALLAH NOT THE KUFARS LIKE YOU THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO SEE ALLAH BECOUSE TO SEE GOD IS ONE OF THE GREAT REWARDS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH AND BLIEVE IN ALLAH.THEREFORE I UNDERSTAND YOU BONR AS A MUSLIM
SO IN OUR RELIGION YOU ARE MURTAD WHICH MEANS
WHO RETURNED FROM BELIEVING ALLAH, YOUR FORTUNE IS THERE IS NO ISLAMIC LAW OR ISLAMIC STATE IN THE WORLD IF THERE WAS ONE YOU WERE NOT BE ABLE TO DENY GOD AND YOU ARE ONE OF THE THREE THAT ALLAH SAID DO NOT LET THEM LIVE ON THE EARTH AND ENJOY WITH MY BOUNTIES (NIM'A) WHICH MEANS DEATH SENTENCE, THE OTHER TWO ARE THE ONE WHO KILLED SOMEONE AND THE MARIED MAN WHO MAKE ZINA OR ADULTRY OR ILLEGAL SEX, BUT DO NOT THINK IF YOU SCAPE FROM HUMAN PUNISHMENT IN THIS WORLD THAT YOU CAN SCAPE FROM ALLAH'S PUNISHMENT, PLEASE REPENT TO ALLAH HE IS SO MERCIFULL AND HE WILL FORGIVE YOU.

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Anonymous

Thursday, July 13, 2000 - 07:12 am
everyone believes in god,eventhough some say they dont,but deep down they know their is hell and heaven and you can go to heaven by following the diin.and here is some advice for you,you are crazy.

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Caraweelo

Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 08:11 am
Mursal-
Sorry for the late response- not sure if you will read this or not. but here goes.....
You said give me proof that there is a God- Simple.
First "a day" does not mean a day (24 hours) as in Earth days. It says so in the quran and we now know it as a scientific fact. For example- when we measure a day in Pluto (the furthest planet in our solar system- we know it is more than hundreds of years long) So a day in a far away galaxy is thousands of "years" long. The measurement of a "year" or day is dependant on how long it takes the planet to revolve around the star. This revolution measures "day" and "night". This is a scientific fact. Also distance in space is measured in terms of how long it would take light to travel to a given distance (light years)- So when the Quran gives us a measure in days- it may not necessarily mean a "day" as we understand it.
Creation in "days" does not mean "24 hour segments". Could mean millions and billions of time units.
Now to the other point of biology- We know that man in his pursuit of science has been able to study th human chromosome down to the DNA. Now in the DNA there is something called "mitochondria" (sp?)- this is a portion of the DNA that ALL MANKIND share- every single person who is from EARTH- shares this. What does that mean, you may wonder. That, biologically speaking- means that every single person on this planet shares a common anscesteral mother. At first, some anti-creationist explain this by relating it back to "lucy"- the "first woman"- discovered in East Africa. The general assumption was that all mankind came from that one woman- and she in turn was an evolutionary result of apes. But this is where it gets interesting, the link between her fossil and the other "ape-fossils" was never found- hence the search for the "missing link". Then the "Lucy-is-our mother-and-she-is related-to-an-ape" theory was further weakened by the finding of a separate fossil- that seems to have followed its own evolutionary path- in china. So Mursal, science is still evolving (no pun intended) - man is still learning. It was not long ago that we believed the earth to be the center- with the sun revolving around it. The human race is still unraveling the mystery of this universe. The Quran holds the key- But not all mankind understand the true meaning. There is an ayat that is repeated in the Quran- Anytime something is explained to people- between right and wrong- between good and bad- it says- it is "....FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND."
This ayat alone takes years to understand. Imagine what wonderful knowledge you are missing- when you dismiss the entire quran.
Here is my 2 cents- before you worry about where God is and whether there is a God or not- do this- Study the incredible miracles surrounding you- then and only then will you truly bow down you face in awe to the INCREDIBLE DESIGNER and CREATOR- I shudder to think of our arrogance as humans.

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Anonymous

Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:58 pm
Caraweelo...thank you for sharing this information with us.

ALLAHU AKBAR!
GOD IS GREAT

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Yaska

Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 12:00 am
Salaam,

Caraweelo;

Well said sister, you proved to him both in scientific and quranic grounds.

Mursal,

If you are looking for physical gods like the hindu's gods or thailand's gods you will not find a such physical ones in Islam. You want really think about him? then just considrate his creations like(Your self) But not creator!!!

Fu'aad explained to you about the power of seeing God in hereafter life, and how you can't see him now..... I would probably put a questions this way: You bieleve that the difference between you and died body(person) is SOUL!! you have a soul but died body doesn't have!!! Have you ever saw your soul? what colour it look like? In which part of your body you can find a soul? you definetly never saw a one I guess? BUT you believe it!!!

Here I take you into another example, about the power of seeing the GOD, I think you probably tried ones in your live time to look how sun is look like and tried to look directly in naked eyes!! what happen then? You can't becasue itis so shinning!! ok! U picked up an eye glasses!! why? or what about 150 KVolt ligh?? because there is LIMIT which your eyes can't crossed it!!! Mathematical speaking, there are boundries and universal limits. as caraweelo stated earlier you have plenty things to worry about then seeing GOD on naked eye.

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Anonymous

Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 04:04 pm
Caraweelo walaalo you done Good job, its simple to use Quran you need to research here.

http://www.thenoblequran.com/

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Wabs

Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 06:17 pm
Mursal:
You said," ..god think is just a made up stuff...just to make people do good and scare of hell and evils". The line of arguments or debate you initiated will eventually become circular and no simple or abstract dialog will convince you or others. Allah is the only one who can afford you guidence, and if you are sincerely about your query about his existence he will show you the light, provided that you work for it. Having said all that, let me throw few cents to your boiling "dhari".

First, you said you are a man of physical evidences and you know something about biology and physics. Well, let me assume that you know something about those two subjects. Brother, I am not an expert on either one of those subjects, but I am a student of biology (the study of life). I study and manipulate the molecular levels of life (Bio). While I am gaining indepth knowledge about how life is constructed, I have yet to come across physically examinable entity called "life". In a simplistic term life can be difined as the intra- and intercellular communications of "living" things that is sustained by constant supply of energy either internally or externally. You see brother this definition can be physically examined under control conditions. We can isolate single human or mamallian cell and grow it on petri dish, provided that the source of the cell be "living" to begin with. This cell can mutliply and grow in the absence of its original organism so long as there are nutrients and optimum physical conditions. Note this is a proof to you that energy is a key to "life" and take my word for it, so is cellular communications. Now that we have defined the forces that sustain "life", could you define "life" itself for me without using the forces that sustain it. You see brother, there is a difference between the parameters that sustain "life" and what "life" is. While we can measure and monitor the parameters that sustain "life" physically, we can not measure or monitor "life" itself. Life seem to end in the presence of ample supply of energy and cellular communications. When death comes either to a single cell organism or a complex being like us we can observe the transformation of the living thing to its original inanimate. So brother never mind debating about the physichal existence of God, can you first tell me about this mysterious thing called "life - Bio" that you held its physical studies so dearly. I challange you to define "life" for me and make me touch it, feel it, etc. When you do that, we will discuss about how to see God (SWC). NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE PHYSICALLY OBSERVED BY A LIMITED INSTRUMENT LIKE YOUR EYES, EARS, ETC. If you believe in "life", then itself should be a "living" proof to the existence of the creator, THE Allmighty AllAH (sWC).

May Allah show us the light.

WABS

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Shukria

Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 07:45 pm
inaa lilaahi wa inaa ilayhi raajicuun/Subxaanalaah camaayasifuun

Mursaloow waxaad ku hadlayso hadaad ilaahay uga towbadkeenin waa hadal gaalnimo kugaynkaro. hana is dhihin inaan rabo inaan kugaalaysiiyo.
waryaa, gaaladii ayaan shaki oogu jirin inuu ilaahay jiro maxaa adoo islaamnimo sheeganayso una xaqleh sida ugu xaq badan inaad illaahay ucaabudo ugu hadashay waxaas ookale!

waxa uun ku leeyahay Ilaahay waa alahii kugu abuuray caloosha hooyadaa, kuna oofsanayo waqtiguu doono, waana allaha camalka aad aduunka ku fashay kaa abaal marinaayo.
Allaahna wuukanasahan yahay wax kasto oo lagu sifeeyo.


waxaankugu waaninaayaa inaaq quraanka aqrigiisa badiso. Asmaaulxusnaana barato.
wasallaamu allaykum

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Waryaa

Sunday, August 13, 2000 - 10:57 am
Salama...(within exception of one)

Hokey, you said that our Creator is man-made far-fetched abstraction of his own fantasized world.

You are trying to explain that only man victimized himself to be a victim of this enigmatic, unchallenged and much complicated theory of Omnipotent.

You are saying this rife of Omniscience was only--out of the blue--a puzzle that was invented by a man, but couldn't repeat, begin, or end it--and he is in the middle of that conundrum. And has no way to get out from it.

Those are your acclaimed theories--and professing officially to be an atheist.

Before I try to explain the scientific facts of the Perspicuous Qur'an that authenticates the existence of your Deus, consider a psychological experiment that was conducted by elite psychologists for what makes a person to be happy. One of the major things that relate for their conclusion was the person must have something to belief. There is no happiness without a belief, without a belief there is no euphoria; that was how they had concluded their report. What makes someone to belief something? Is it the nature or impetus of unknown?

Obviously, it is clear and simple to answer; however, let alone the questions baffle the unbelievers' mind.

Here is one of the mystics, unanswered mysterious of the world:

Put your finger in a glass full of water. Sure, you will see it. Lucid. Clear.

Put that very same finger in the middle of ocean.

Result:

You cannot see it. Mystic. How-So-Why.

"Well, of course," You might say, "Ocean is a full land of water, and it, thus, makes non-sense to compare with a brittle glass of water."

Oh, sure, it does make a BIG sense; because that is why we don't see our Lord, the very same reason you did not see your finger in the ocean. The very same reason not to be compared proportionally a glass of water with ocean.

"And there is none like unto Him." {Qur'an 112:4}

Indeed none in this world or hereafter.

Also you mentioned that the Qur'an says the creation of the world was summed up in six "days," exactly as Christians and Jews believe it. But you are wrong, as sister Caraweelo explained that 'days' does not mean to be an ordinary days of our world. According to Dr. Maurice Bucaille (a famous French-Christian scientist):

"Days does not mean just days, but also a long periods of time, an indefinite period of time (but always long)" {The Bible, The Quran, Science, p.139}

Our Holy Book speaks itself:

"A day whereof the measure is 50,000 years." {Qur'an 70:4}

Also:

"A day whereof the measure is a thousand years of your reckoning." {Qur'an 32:5}

Now, of course, it does not mean that six days of ours is equivalent six days of Hereafter. But, rather it is six indefinite periods.

By counting here how the Qur'an deals about science, it takes a volume to be written about that topic; however, I want you--if you are faithful to know about the truth--to read about those following books about relationship between science and Qur'an:

"Verses of Qur'an and Facts of Science" {By Dr. Haluk Nur Baki, 1997)

"A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam" {A brevity and clarity relations between Qur'an and science--you could find this book on the net, completely written at www.it-is-the-truth.com or www.islam-brief-guide.org }

"Science in the Qur'an" {by Shabir Ally, 1998}

"The Bible, The Qur'an, and Science" {by Dr.Maurice Bucaille}

And there are many other sub-titles that relates facts of science and the Noble Qur'an. And I pray you to seach the truth, and get those books in your hand.

Quite Peace!!

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Omar ali

Saturday, September 02, 2000 - 03:44 pm
Mursal i don't think you are Islam or somali, how could you say that their is no god. Who created you and the rest of the human race.Are you crazy or something.Allah is allah and iknow that and i'm just 10 and in the fifth grade and i was upset on what you said. I think you should be ashamed of yourself and i hope you go on the right track of religion MUSLIM.If you don't stop saying that allah will punish you in hell.Can't you see all the things allah the allmighty crated the earth, the sky,the sun ,and the moon. How could you be so foolish to think there is no god i hope you read the quran and become muslim again. Inshaallah.

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