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Unrecorded Date Aslamu Laykum my dear BRO's & SIS's: There is no adoption in Islam. The Non Islamic systems who permit adoption are now in total confusion as to who or what constitutes a parent there is 1. SUROGATE PARENTS 2. BIOLOGICAL PARENTS 3. FOSTER PARENTS 4. ADOPTED PARENTS and 5. PSYCHOLOGICAL PARENTS everyday their is a new kind of parent added to the list. They cannot decide on which of these parents have the greater rights. In most cases the God Given parents have less and less rights In the Elian case, where they are considering how best to return the child to his father. They consider the psychological damage of ripping the child away from the Miami relitives. Although;;; In US thousands of children are ripped away from their parents by the states and placed with foster parents without any thought given on how it would tramatize the child in the lest. according to this confused system, the only time a child is traumatized is when it is being returned to the real parents. When Adopted parents loose custody to a real parent they decry the fact that the child is being torn away from the only parent "it has ever known." You even have X partners of gay relationships suing in court to have parental rights to children of their former partners. These are children they have no biological connections to. WILL THE REAL PARENTS PLEASE STAND UP 1400 YEARS AGO ISLAM ABOLISHED ADOPTION. It made reals parent is the only true parents. Aslamu Laykum
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Unrecorded Date As salaamu alaykum. These comments you have made are astute. Just wondering how things would be different if: The Father had "abducted" his son and the Mother was in Cuba sobbing for the return of her baby....
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Unrecorded Date Alhamdulilah, the boy is with whom he belongs!!!
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Unrecorded Date http://www.pathtofreedom.com/
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Unrecorded Date Ahhhhhh, so that explains the Hawadle. It is clearer to me now. But what if a childs parents die - doesn't someone have to step in and fill that role? That's what adoption is.
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Unrecorded Date http://www.gcty.com/pathtofreedom/articles.html
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Unrecorded Date I like all the aritcles on that website. Better no dad than a red dad? Ronald F. Maxwell. National Post, Canada. Friday, December 17, 1999 Children don't need mom and dad! They need Disneyland! They don't need love and affection. They need toys. Watching the spectacle of Elian Gonzalez' relatives showering their long-lost kinsboy with every bauble our conspicuous-consumption culture can offer a six-year-old called to mind the story of Pinocchio, an Italian children's story also expropriated by Disney, albeit brilliantly. Who can forget that scene where Pinocchio is taken to the Isle of Pleasures by his manipulative older pal, only to grow the ears of a donkey? We needn't question the motives of Elian's Florida relations. We can assume they want what's best for him -- in their eyes -- the same "what's best for him" attitude that grips many families caught in custody fights. But if custody boiled down to who could shower a child with the most gifts, the parent with the most money and least restraint would always win. And in these kinds of situations, what message is getting to these impressionable children? The parent that spoils you, the parent that buys you is the best parent? In the eyes of many Americans there is only one reason why this boy should not be returned to his father -- summed up in one word -- Cuba. John McCain and everyone else who seeks to gain from waving the flag over this tragedy has chimed in on the side of keeping the boy here. The latest to join the queue is New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who is considering inviting Elian to ring in the New year in Times Square. According to one aide, he represents "what America means -- freedom, the right to choose." It appears the old slogan has morphed to, "Better no dad than a red dad." I don't know what it's like living in Elian's home in Cuba, but I suspect that even for a six-year-old it's very different than life in the U.S. First of all, there's no Disneyland. Imagine what it would be like to grow up in a world with no Disneyland and no Epcot! How did children ever manage? From the dawn of mankind, whether that dawn was in the Olduvai Gorge or the Garden of Eden, every night for a million, million nights children were nestled up close to their parents and grandparents. From their parents they heard the tales of their people and the stories of their land. This storytelling served as a cohesive bond across the generations, connecting parent with son, great-grandparent with great-grandchild. Somewhere along the passing of the ages man learned to write. The oral tradition began to be recorded for the greater posterity. Now even we, thousands of years later, know the stories of Moses and Odysseus, of Wotan and Gilgamesh. My father read to me before I could read. I read to my children before they could. In my childhood, the effect, authenticity and appeal of these stories was in no small way influenced by the fact it was my very own father who was sharing these stories with me. In this way, in our own personal communion, we repeated a ritual as old as time. It wasn't entertainment or diversion -- it was the very stuff of life. In retrospect, we weren't just passing the time -- together we were travelling to the far reaches of its great expanse. Together. But now we live at the turn of the millennium. Parents are not expected to tell stories or read to their young. The young are not expected to await with fascination and excitement the tales of their elders. Now there is Disneyland and Epcot! Now every child must hear the same story, from the same videotape, at the same volume, for the same price, with the same music at regular identical intervals. They must eat the same fast food in the same plastic containers in identical feeding halls from Kennebunkport to Mission Bay. And parents -- they get to be the chauffeurs and babysitters -- checking in and out of the same hotels in the same RVs eating the same high-fat, low-protein tasteless muck. And once in a while, lately quite often, something really weird happens, like the kids shoot their classmates and teachers when they get a little older. Sometimes even their parents. Elian lives in what North Americans consider to be a backward, repressive place. It is probably both. Backwards compared to our material comforts and repressive compared to our cherished freedoms. But you don't have to begrudge our marvellous modern conveniences or belittle our hard-won freedoms to see Cuba is not at the inner circle of hell and its children are not falling into its pit. As an unintended benign result of its isolation and catastrophic controlled economy the country is free of many of the dehumanizing and degrading influences we are so fond of -- our materialistic culture, our worship of celebrity, our greed, our suburban sprawl, our colossal traffic jams and traffic deaths, our epidemic of drugs and crime, our lamentable modern architecture, our pop entertainment banalities, the destruction of our old neighbourhoods and main streets, the wholesale harvesting of our forests, the loss of wilderness, the annihilation of wild animal habitats, and the demolition of childhood. I'll say it again -- the demolition of childhood. One has to ask one's self. Would Elian be safer growing up in a Cuban or an American school? And returning to the image that prompted this polemic, would he be better off getting his fairytales from the multinational world renowned corporation called Disney or from his little-known father and anonymous grandparents at home?
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Unrecorded Date sheekada cunagaan tv baan kunacnay somalinet manoo keenteen!"!!!!.
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Unrecorded Date Anonymous, who cares your confidence(what you love or hate to read).?
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Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, it's really wrong to have put the father all that the miami relatives put him through. it's ALL a game to them. to them, the u.s. governmnet, the cuban government, etc etc etc. each is a prey for the other, what a wicked world. the poor little boy has been traumatized to no end for NO reason. it's despicable the way "democracy" is leaning to. a democracy is not a democracy when it hurts innocents. the u.s. government should arrest all the miami government for ridiculing the u.s. system and justice. and they shouldn't be given the opportunity to spit on the face of america -- when it gave them a HOME and a peace place to reside. it all begins with the name; "little havana" -- what? why not go back if you're missing that excuse for a country. for all the 'immigrants' that i met, somalis, the assians, and the russians are the most grateful ones. they bring complex culture to america and they work their asses off to stay out of streets and find themselves a name -- with dignity. i'm truly disgusted with the whole deal. you watch, this will turn into 'american crime' when it's REALLY 'cubans crime'. uff! remember '93??? when it was TRULY an american crime, the somali people had the dignity to accept the crime -- because it was us who let them into the country. such thing will never be found with these people. peace - ahmad!
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Unrecorded Date Ahmad First of all Abowe, please no more Elian anything!!! I want to puke. I mean it's one kid they're wrestling over. Thousands of homeless children live miserable existences and we're focusing on this one kid and where he's gonna live. Who cares???? Now, as for Americas involvement in '93 I have to disagree with you on this one. The responsibility for the conflict between the Americans and the SNA lies directly with the poor, unfortunate Mohammed Farah Aideed. He deliberately attacked UN peacekeepers on June 5 for political reasons. That is really undeniable. That was the catalyst that got the whole war between the Americans and the Haber Gedir rolling. Besides we saved a tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people from starving to death before we started killing anyone. So in the final analysis we did more good than bad even if the fight between us and the SNA were our fault - which it wasn't.
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Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, mac, yah! i feel ya! it's despicable the way this kid was made a 'prince' -- when there are AMERICAN kids who go to bed at night hungry...and how much is u.s. government spending on this "OKAY -- from a rich family kid"??? i dunno. now, now, it's not deniable that the somalis started the conflict. but, mac, is that the point??? if a little child who is confused and ANGRY -- slaps you, do you slap him or do you comfort him or leave him??? america was established country, the somalis were not...but were a small country in a far away land among nomads who are just pissed off because their country is not a running paradise anymore. the u.s./u.n. should LEAVE. the idea that the u.s. 'fought' back gives them a WHOLE lot fault, as far as i'm concerned. and, no...i try my best to be objective. take care. peace - ahmad
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Unrecorded Date it's a brave new world that will eventually fall upon itself
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