     muslim sis | Friday, September 22, 2000 - 12:45 pm
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A GUIDE TO MISSIONARY TACTICS
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This guide is intended to improve awareness about the tactics used by
some groups and cults. The tactics of missionaries and missionary
groups may vary, but there are some basic guidelines to keep in mind
that will be helpful in dealing with them.
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HIDDEN AGENDA
Some missionaries attempt to develop a rapport with their
subject without divulging their own religious affiliation or
intention. As an example to make making them seem less
"Christian" missionaries are coached by their superiors to
avoid using words such as "Christ" or "savior" or "baptize".
If you are not sure about the religious identity of the
stranger who begins talking to you about religion, ask him
directly about his beliefs and agenda. Be suspicious of an
indirect answer. Remember these people aren't interested in
dialogue or trying to improve Anglo-Muslim links but are often
in SECURE PAID EMPLOYMENT to Sell Christianity.
CREATING DOUBT
When talking to a Muslim about religion, a missionary may
attempt to elicit as many "I don't know" responses as possible,
in order to establish his superiority in matters of religion.
Don't allow yourself to be intimidated!
Remember, the missionary has studied Islamic beliefs for the
sole purpose to sell Christianity to Muslims. There heart are
sealed and they are no longer interested in truth. Keep in mind
that he is not speaking to you in order to exchange ideas, but
rather to create as much doubt in your mind and lead you away
from your faith. If you want to learn more about the Quran, do
so from someone who doesn't have hidden motives. Therefore,
feel free to simply end the conversation and walk away.
Remember that many of these questions and associations they are
trying to sell have been debunked many times by more learned
Muslims. If they were interested in dialogue the would be
speaking to respected elders and community leaders exploring
common ground improving understanding and faith in the
community, but all one sees are the often the same question
again to unsuspecting victims. Ask yourself what do they hope
to gain ?
However, some of you may want to listen to their arguments and
then learn the Muslim response, in order to be better prepared
for future encounters. One must also remember that many
missionaries intentionally go into Muslim areas in Britain so
they train themselves and create the most seductive "Sales
Pitch" they can manage. Once they have finished there training
in salesmanship they will target unsuspecting Muslims (the
lonely, vulnerable and weak) lacking in knowledge.
The following pointers should give you a basic idea of what to
look for.
DECEPTION
The missionary may tell you that he (or a Christian friend or
acquaintance) was once an Muslim, or that he had a solid Muslim
education, a traditional Muslim family life, etc. This is
almost always a lie, so don't let him fool you. The hidden
message that he is attempting to convey is that he came to
accept Christianity after knowing and overcoming all of the
Muslim objections (Jesus being son of god, Bible being
corrupted by man etc.), and therefore, why should you bother to
check it out?
He may drop certain Islamic phrases or talk about the details
of his "traditional" Muslim upbringing, in order to lend more
credence to his story. In fact, his "memory" is often the
result of careful coaching.
The missionary might tell you that he knows the Islamic
objections to his arguments, and will then proceed to show how
such objectives are ill-founded. Don't expect to hear the real
Islamic response from such a source.
GOOD, BAD OR UGLY
Don't be taken in by the "good cop - bad cop" routine. This
routine involves a "bad cop" who threatens the subject, and a
"good cop" who protects him from the "bad cop". The subject is
so grateful to the "good cop", and so worried about losing the
good-will of his protector, that he invariably shows his
appreciation by telling the "good cop" what he wants to hear.
In similar fashion, the "good" Christian talks about how much
he loves and respects Muslims, while denouncing the "bad"
Christians who hate and have persecuted Muslims. The naive and
ones lacking in knowledge of Christian history and bigotry will
feel grateful to the "good cop", and may automatically judge
him to be a friend and reliable ally. Watch out for hidden
motives behind such "friendship".
WHO BELIEVES IN THE SON OF GOD?
At the outset, the missionary will talk about his belief that
Jesus is the messiah. Many Muslims don't find out until later,
often after they have joined a Christian friendship group, that
their fundamental belief is that Jesus is god. Any talk about
"the messiah" or "son of god" is merely a cover for that
belief, basic to Christianity . However, since such a concept
is repugnant in Islam, this most basic belief of Christianity
is glossed over as much as possible when missionaries talk to
Muslims.
PROOF or SPOOF?
Don't be impressed by the claim that Christians have 50, or
100, or 300 "proofs" that they are correct in their claims
about Jesus. As proof after proof is shown to be meaningless,
the missionary will hide behind his numbers, as if to say:
"Well, we have so many more proofs, what's the difference if
you can disprove some of them". He will attempt to "split the
difference" with you: "Well, even if half our proofs prove
nothing, we still have another 25 or 50, or 150". Remember, all
of their proofs can be shown to be untenable. Keep in mind that
a faulty point is not worth 50% of a good point, or 25%, or
10%. It is worthless. The simple mathematics are: 50 x 0 = 0,
100 x 0 = 0, 300 x 0 = 0.
CIRCULAR REASONING
Very often, the reasoning used by Christian missionaries is
circular. That is, the "proof" only points to something is if
you believe it in the first place, and therefore is no proof at
all.
MISTRANSLATION
Be aware of the problem of mistranslating. A person who is not
familiar with Arabic can be lead to accept a mistranslating
which puts a Christian "twist" on a verse that never had such a
meaning in the original. If you can't check it out yourself,
talk to a reliable person who can. Remember, it is no
coincidence that the Muslims of past generations, who were much
better versed in the Arabic, never had any serious problems
refuting Christian missionary arguments.
In addition beware of Christian Translations of the Quran, many
date from sixteenth to the eighteenth century with the sole
intention of to discredit Islam.
Please keep in mind ANY translation (interpretation) of the
Quran will most definitely contain errors In its natural
language (Arabic), the Quran is the direct Word of Allah (God)
to mankind through the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him).
Any translation of the Quran no longer retains that 'official'
and perfect status, however it can be tremendously helpful to
beginning students wanting to learn more about Islam.
We would strongly encourage those want to learn about Islam to
purchase a copy of the Quran but with the following conditions:
+ get one with commentary (tafseer)
+ make sure the tafseer is scholarly (e.g. references to
reasons behind a verse, references to hadith and sunnah,
etc.)
An excellent English translation and commentary of the Quran
is Maududi's recently published work "The Meaning of the
Quran".
QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT
Often a verse will be quoted to you that has been taken
entirely out of context. When the entire chapter that contains
that verse is read, it becomes clear that it does not
corroborate the Missionary.
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Conclusion : Selling Timeshare or Christshare?
You may recognize many of the tactics used by some Missionaries in
selling there faith as they have similarities to disreputable
Timeshare and Double glazing salesman, and this raises some
interesting points:
Why would one propagate faith in such a deceitful and underhanded way,
is it because:
God will not aid ones seeking the true path?
A bad product is difficult to sell unless you dupe someone?
If you are genuinely interested in faith
Why don't you go ask someone with a sound knowledge and
understanding of Islam, instead of targeting the naive,
vulnerable and the weak.
Why do you seek out the naive and week and then intentionally
ask Mischievous questions, when they have been answered
many times by learned scholars and by people that you
have approached over the years? Surely this does not add
to knowledge or understanding.
Why do you target Muslims
Considering the moral depravity often in your own family and
neighbourhood and within so called Christians.
Is it because Muslims are wealthy in faith?
Is it because you have so much hatred for us and you are
unable, incapable or tired of other methods:
RIDICULE There is a very large number of publications by
Muslims explaining Islam in plain and simple
English. Look in any public library for books on
Islam, a large proportion of them will be by
orientalists and Christian missionaries, what do
you think motivates someone to write a book on a
subject one does not believe in and an area that
has been already covered by numerous other books?
Remember Christian "Translations" of the Quran
whose sole intention was to discredit Islam.
CRUSADES Butchered everyone including defenseless women
and children or any one else that got in there way.
Although it has taken many hundreds of years
Crusaders have improved they now only kill some
women and RAPE THE REST. The twentieth centuary has
seen "Ethnic Cleansing" replace the word Crusade,
in 1996 one of the youngest recorded victim of rape
in Bosnia was a baby of 4 Months old. Many women
and children had two of there fingers severed by
the Serbs so that the three remaining fingers would
remind them of the Trinity.
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A WAY FORWARD
While we as Muslims believe that the entire Quran is the word
of God and we would like every one to accept it as such, God
Himself has given the freedom of religion which we respect.
With that in mind, all we hope is that non-Muslims will at
least enlighten themselves with an open heart and mind by
knowing what Islam is. We hope that Muslims, Christians and
Jews will find ways to work together to bring peace on earth by
eradicating immorality, fear, hate, disease, poverty and
injustice.
Muslims welcome the chance improve dialogue and understanding
with all faiths. In addition we do not object to other groups
explaining there ideas and faith to whomever expresses an
interest, but we do think it is unacceptable that missionaries
demean other faiths, use deceitful methods and harass
communities with what can be described highly trained and
focused door to door salesman.
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USE THE PROPER RESOURCES! Most Muslims spend their time studying Islam
trying to find a path to true enligtenment, and therefore may not be
familiar with the "curve-ball" approach of missionaries. If you need
advice concerning a problem of this sort, get in touch with people who
are familiar with the tactics being used and who know how to deal with
them.
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| anonymous. | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 01:55 am
Muslim sis.
Thanks for the effort. |
| Muslim Br | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 03:51 am
MAD MAC
This is wonderfull isn't it
I TOLD YOU BEFORE YOU ARE SO CALLED SHIEKH ABDALLA OF THIS TIME and you can not hide among us the SOMALIS.
MUSLIM SISTER
JAZAAKALLAAHU KHEYRAN!
We need a knowledgeable people like MUSLIM SISTER may ALLAH increase HER examples.
Muslim Br |
| Muslim sis | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 04:58 am
Salaamu Alaykum.
Anonymous and Muslim br.
Thank you for your Time.
But after I study Mac Mad for long time.this is Exactly my Views to him.as Muslim Br said,I do I agree He can,t hide among Us...lol..so don,t tray no more please.
Hope every one realises this>
Jazaakumulaah Khayran all my Br and sis. |
| formerguest. | Saturday, September 23, 2000 - 12:06 pm
I am glad you saw the guy on the same light I saw him. He thinks by modifying his weird beliefs and giving it a closer representation of islam, he can fool some people. The funny thing is, All christians believe trinity to be their main refrence of faith and he denies it by saying islam misrepresented it, while I quoted to him several times the creed of the trinity from christian resources. It has been almost two years Mad had been here. The first time he showed up he said"Allah prefers christians over muslims IN THE QURAN". That was when I knew this guy was up to something. He lies up to his teeth to evade the spot checks brothers and sisters set up for him. I am not the one he fools. Go to the public forums section and see how many unislamic subjects he spearheads just to waste people's times and trick them into unislamic behaviours. I think his days are numbered. |
| Muslim sis | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 03:00 am
Salaamu AlaykumF
Formerguest
I think my br, any one who have seen before a Kufar mind.... will know what Mad-Mac's tactics are
I have seen several places that you and him have and arguments and he did make sure to ignore your arguments because he knows you can read his mind.....I also see where he have some discussions whit Br Asad......and he uses many of the Missionary Tactics....saying that you are more understanding than rest.....so that he will get the opportunity to preach his pathetic views..
My view is this if Mad-mac is Innocent kafir, who don,t really have any hidden agent why did he spend all this time and energy to prove that Islam is not the only true religion.......come,on who is he kidding here.......lol.....Although I can,t prove that I believe he got paid for it....
So my advice to you my br and sisters don,t give him a chance to spread his disease to our community and young ppl.....I said young ppl ......cuz they are the once who my not think that far, to find out about his motive. Do,nt ague whit him about Islam.......since he may be the Enemy of Islam.
wasalaamu alaykum
may Allah guide us all. |
| formerguest. | Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 04:34 am
muslim sis.
I agree with you. However sister, I/we didn't choose to argue with him. I think we are forced to say something about his behaviour and belittling islam infront of us. He behaves and has all the traits of missionaries. One of his first writings in these forumss were "Unification of all religions" And asking why we can't accept all religions as equal. Take what is good from the bible, take what is good from the torah, take what is good from the Quran, SEE THE TREND HERE?. He knows some islam-by-name somalis WILL APPLAUDE FOR THAT KIND OF CRAB thinking it is tolerant. Whoever reads the Quran with understanding can see his like:
"31:6. But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a humiliating Chastisement.
After he was told that he had no viable evidence to speak that way he dismissed:
7. When Our Signs are rehearsed to such a one, he turns away in arrogance, as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in both his ears: announce to him a grievous Chastisement. "
If you wonder the reason he does all this, read:
"25:31. Thus have We made for every prophet an enemy among the sinners: but enough is your Lord to guide and to help.
Allah gave us every answer to their tricks so don't worry about others as long as we have people who can answer to him:
"25:33. And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof)."
Mad is on the track of those before him:
"40.5 But (there were people) before them, who denied (the Signs),- the People of Noah, and the Confederates after them; and every People plotted against their prophet, to seize him, and disputed by means of vanities, therewith to obliterate the Truth; but it was I that seized them! and how (terrible) was My Requital!"
If Mad hides from people the truth about himself or his mission Allah knows them best:
"4.108 They seek to hide themselves from people, but they cannot hide from Allah, while He is with them when they plot by night, in words that He cannot approve: And Allah Does compass round all that they do. "
And finally: from SURATUL KAHF(THE CAVE) we read:
"18:54. We have explained in detail in this Qurán, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.
55. And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that Guidance has come to them, nor from praying for forgiveness from their Lord, but that (they wait for) the ways of the ancients to overtake them, or the Wrath be brought to them face to face?
56. We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
57. And who does more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts so that they understand this not, and over their ears, deafness. If thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.
58. But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge. "
Wasalaam. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 12:46 am
Boy, do we have a self licking ice cream cone here. Look, I'm not a missionary, and frankly I couldn't care what you believe. I enter these discussions to help inform myself. I have had numerous debates with a few guys here. In most circles this is called healthy discussion. Being able to agree to disagree is the key to tolerance as preached by the prophet Mohamed. The problem with you guys is you brook no dissent. And surprise, surprise, you brook no dissent in your political life either. No wonder you're all killing each other all the time. I'm not a missionary. As far as I know, I'm the only Macist out there. Hell, I even have a Bhudist Shrine in my house because my girlfriend is a practicing Bhudist. Does that sound like a Christian sit here and jerk each other off, I don't care. Formerguest, if you don't apporve of the conversations, then just let Asad do the writing, he defends Islam just fine. I'll miss your commentary, but hey, whatever floats your boat man. |
| Mad mac-hater#1 | Monday, September 25, 2000 - 08:49 am
Mad,
Xir afkaaga sheydaan yahow urka badan leh.
Nacaladii Alle baa kugu dhacday anaga hana soo
gaarsiin najasadaada,wasakh yahow jaahilka ahi.
Waryaahe waxaad is mooday "well educated person"
I can simply say; YOU ARE NOTHING. Adduun iyo
aakhira meel aad haaysatid malaha, oo jihadi baa
kaa lunsan, orodoo isa faah-faahi, faasiq yahow
weeynaaday.
There is NO appearience of what you saying, I guess that's the way you reveal your own point of view, what a great disappointmeant!!
Uff! Beenaale , nacas , kaafir ah! |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 01:24 am
MAD MAC Hater #1
Lovely, I'm developing a fan club. I gather from your user name and from what I could read that you don't agree with my thoeries. That's nice. Be advised I do not speak Somali. Fadlan. |
| Mad mac-hater#1 | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 08:28 am
Mad,
Haddaad af-soomaali garaneynin, maxaa ku keenay
"soomaali-forums" faasiq yahow futada weyn leh!
-You are NOT developing a fan club, actually you
are creating enemies for your self!
Futadaada u sheeg af-soomaali haddaad garaneynin
shaqo kuma lihi!
Bye; kufaar, faasiq, sheydaan, nijaas, inkaar qabe. |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 10:00 pm
MAD MAC Hater #1
Enemies are fans of a sort. Know what I mean??? Besides, I already have plenty of enemies. Whats a few more or less? |
| Mad mac-hater#1 | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 03:24 am
Mad,
I am one of them!..lol!
Enjoy! |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 05:13 am
Well you know Murphys law. Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate. |
| Concern sis | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 07:55 am
Mad-mac
what have did that any one hates you?
are u guilty for some untold story?
cuz, u said u have so many enemies. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 03:20 am
Abai
You know, I don't really have that many enemies. But I have been involved in plenty of military operations in my time, and the guys on the other side, well, some of them tend to hold a grudge. |
| Mad mac-hater#1 | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 04:24 am
Mad,
lolololol
I can simply say: you are fucked up ma brotha!
I have one question for you, do you mind??
Well..the question is..?? But you have to answer
first if you dont mind or not!
Kufaar, see you around! |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 04:59 am
Mad Mac Hater #1
Sahib, if you haven't picked up on it by now I am close to impossible to insult. Hanging out with Somalis is not for the feint of heart of the easily offended. Ask away. |
| Concern sis | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:56 am
Mad
Tel me how many innocent did you kill..your Living Time? do they hunt you? how do u really feel baout them? do u have bad Dreams?
if any of Obove is yes...then Convert to Islam..all your Guilty feeling will wash a way!
take care |
