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     | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 02:20 pm An-Nasr Productions Weekly "ISRAEL," PALESTINE, THE MUSLIMS, AND THE DEFEATIST MENTALITY Medicine has shown that for every illness or disease there is a virus that causes it. The disease cannot be eliminated as long as the virus is left to eat away at the body. Similarly, the weakness and hopelessness that afflicts the body and soul has a virus, which in this case is in the form of defeatist concepts and destructive resignation. A large proportion of the Palestinian people kept quiet when the PLO accepted United Nations resolutions 242 and 338, as well as the Muslims as a whole. Thus, they were silent on the surrender of Muslim land to the Jews and the recognition of the Jewish state in Palestine.WHY THE SILENCE? Was this silence because of the duplicity of those who have changed the facts, so that instead of seeing the PLO recognising Israel, they only saw the false promises of a ‘Palestinian state’, or did they keep quiet because they thought it was a tactic designed to embarrass the Jews to come to the negotiating table, so that they (the PLO) can be absolved of any blame by world public opinion. The reality is neither. The people know that the PLO was not engaged in tactics, but was very serious in recognising Israel, and every day the PLO relinquishes more and more of its demands on Israel. The trumpet of propaganda will never cover their naked intent nor conceal their wickedness. The same goes for the Arab regimes. Why then the silence? In the case of Palestine, the virus is not new. It has penetrated deeply into people's souls and has profoundly affected everyone infected by it, except those who are protected by the mercy of Allah. It is therefore vital that we diagnose this sickness:-PEOPLE SAY... 1. We cannot remove the state of Israel by force because she has the nuclear bomb, and would attack neighbouring Arab states if she felt any threat to her existence. 2. We cannot remove the state of Israel even if nuclear weapons were not deployed, because of the superiority of her conventional forces. Witness the wars waged in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and in 1982, in which only conventional weapons were used, and every time Israel was the victor. Even when all the Arab forces fought together against her, as in 1967, she still won. We saw the Israeli airforce penetrating the air space of Arab countries at will to bomb the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1982 and Tunisia in 1985, and it now threatens to hit missiles in Saudi Arabia and the nuclear reactor in Pakistan. 3. We cannot remove the state of Israel because all the states in the world - both East and West - recognise her, and would not accept her removal. Even if we won the battle and were just about to eliminate her, would the West standby and allow us to finish the job. Never! They would intervene militarily, like they did in 1973, when the U.S. airlifted weaponry and supplies to Israel for 48 hours non-stop. If she required the political or military support of the international community, she would get it. The whole world would back Israel, so her destruction cannot be achieved. 4. We cannot remove the state of Israel because the rulers of the Arab countries do not want to fight her, even if they had the means to do so. This is because they are puppets of the West, which created Israel in the first place. Furthermore, the governments in the Arab and Muslim countries are not united, rather they conspire against each other most of the time, to the point that they would even stand side by side with Israel against their brothers, as happened in Jordan in 1970. We witness that all the Arab governments agreed on the acceptance of U.N. resolutions 242 and 338, and also on the decisions reached at Fez, which virtually accept the recognition of Israel. Egypt went one step further and recognised Israel in 1977. The other Arab states suspended relations with Egypt because of the peace treaty, but now relations between Egypt and the other Arab states are normal, and instead of Egypt cancelling the peace the Arab states have also recognised Israel through the resuming of relations with Egypt. In this environment, who is going to fight Israel?THE DISEASE These are the various aspects of the disease and the origin of the virus. Would anyone who accepted the fallacies and held the convictions summarised in the above four points have the guts to eliminate Israel? The rulers in the Muslim world hold these views; the intellectuals, politicians, the Palestinian leadership, and the general public who are in direct contact with these people have all been infected with such thoughts, except for those protected by the mercy of Allah. These ideas and convictions are the virus.THE REALITY 1. Assuming that Israel really does has nuclear weapons, are the Jews capable of detonating a nuclear bomb against a neighbouring Arab state without suffering from its effects? Even if the smallest nuclear device was used, what is the distance of Damascus, Amman and Riyadh from the Jews? It is well known that the nuclear fall-out and radiation will not confine itself to the area of the explosion, but will spread. Also, would the West tolerate the fact that its interests in these Arab states would be threatened, along with the expatriate citizens residing in these states? Even if the west managed to evacuate its citizens from these states, it would not be able to evacuate its interests, which would be destroyed. So Israel cannot use nuclear weapons without attacking the interests of Western states. The idea of the Jews having a nuclear capability ready for use, is like a sword hanging over the heads of the Muslims in the neighbouring Arab states, intended to make them dismiss even thinking of fighting the Jews. The Arab leaders have resorted to this idea to intimidate and pacify their people. Yasser Arafat said, in a speech delivered to Palestinian fighters at the ‘Ain al-Hilwa camp (near Sidon) just before the 1982 war in Lebanon, that Israel had 20 nuclear bombs. It makes one wonder, does Arafat want to motivate or to pacify the Palestinians, so that eventually they will come around to accepting the idea of the state of Israel?THE MYTH 2. As for the myth of Israeli military superiority over all the Arabs combined, very few gullible people are deceived by this lie. Yes, the Jews have a formidable airforce superior to some of the Arab states, but the Arabs have, neither collectively nor singularly, ever fought the Jews. In 1948, there was a conspiracy to hand over some of Palestine to the Jews, and the Arab rulers under the cover of mock battles gave the impression that the Jews could not be defeated. In 1956, the British and French in collaboration with the Jews invaded Egypt. In 1967, the Arabs had no intention of entering the war and they did not expect Israel to attack. They thought it would be no more than a parade. In the 1973 Ramadan War, it was decided beforehand by Egypt, Syria and America that the initial Egyptian assault would not go beyond certain limits. In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon, and the surrounding Arab states stood idly by with arms crossed as thousands of Muslims were massacred. However, during this invasion, it became apparent how cowardly the Jews really were when sincere Muslims fought against them, rendering their advanced weaponry useless.. This was also the case in 1968 during the Battle of Karamah on the River Jordan, when a handful of Palestinians defeated the Israeli armed forces. Israel looked most vulnerable in 1973 when the Egyptian army crossed the Suez Canal and demolished the fortifications of Bar Lev, causing disarray and panic among the Jews. And today we are witnessing children armed only with stones taking on fully armed Jews. Historically, the cowardice of Jews is well known - they are regarded as people of money, not people of war. Allah describes them in the Qur'an as people who desire life and hate death. “And you will find them the greediest of mankind for life, even more than the idol-worshippers. Each one of them would like to be allowed to live a thousand years.” [2:96]He also describes them as cowards. “They will not fight you (even) together, except in fortified townships or from behind walls.” [59:14] Have we forgotten the attack by one man in a glider, which spread terror and confusion in an Israeli army camp near the border with Lebanon, in 1987? 3. Regarding what is said about the rulers of Muslim countries, that they do not want to fight the Jews, even if they have the capability to do so because they are puppets of the West, this is true. But what is the solution to this problem? Is it to lie down and surrender? Or should the Muslims rise up and overthrow these vermin, and give authority to a sincere man and make him Khalifah. And if these rulers are not united, conspiring against one another, some even colluding with the Jews against the others, is the answer to this putting our heads on the chopping block for Israel to strike and then conceding Palestine to them? Or is the solution the unification of the Muslim Ummah under the flag of LA ILAH HA ILLAL LA MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH, with one leader who is sincere to the Qur'an, Sunnah and his people? This can be a reality, but strangely the Ummah is divided along nationalist and other evil conceptual lines. Even stranger than this is the fact that one nation accepts to remain divided into numerous states led by rulers who have betrayed Allah and His Messenger (SAW) by implementing nothing but Kufr. By feebly arguing that the whole world recognises Israel, and thus would not allow its destruction, these so-called leaders show us that they have been infected with the disease of cowardice from the Jews. This argument is weak, because Capitalist states only look for their own interests. Treaties can come and go, but if Western interests are ever threatened, then the question of Israel's survival would not be the issue, and they would abandon her. If anything, the kuffar would even help with Israel's destruction if this would be of any benefit to them. Thus, in conclusion, any argument that Israel's security will forever be guaranteed by the West is built purely on sand.WE SAY If there were any sincere men in the area Israel would not exist for a second. The forthcoming Islamic State (insha’Allah) will manoeuvre in such a way as to force the kuffar, in their greed, to see that their interests lie with 200 Million Arab Muslims, rather than with only 3 million pathetic Jews. The Islamic State would politically defeat the Jews through clever diplomacy and world opinion, forcing Israel's banishment from the world community. Then this putrid state will be finished off by Jihad. Thus, the psychological battle must pre-empt any military conflict. Today the Muslim Ummah is psychologically defeated by Israel and is in a sorry state. As Israel is a symptom of the disease, we cannot remove this symptom without removing the virus. http://www.nasrproductions.i-p.com
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 03:39 pm Thank you brother we always with our muslim brothers and we will never give up our qudus and all palastine any way thank you and jazakallahu khayran
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 07:24 pm Jewish Religion, Jewish History The Weight of 3,000 Years By Israel Shahak, with a foreword by Gore Vidal. Published by Pluto Press (London, 1994). Bookreview When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the peoples of the world in their intense hatred and contempt for all peoples but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews. Notable among these was the reformer, Martin Luther, who in 1543 wrote in "Von den Juden und Ihren Lugen": "Does not their Talmud say, and do not their rabbis write, that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob, as they do with their usury, from a heathen is a divine service. For they hold that they cannot be too hard on us nor sin against us, because they are of the noble blood and circumcised saints; we, however, are cursed goyim. And they are the masters of the world, and we are their servants, yea, their cattle... "Should someone think that I am saying too much, I am not saying too much, but much too little. For I see in their writings how they curse us goyim and wish us all evil in their schools and their prayers." The Jews responded to Luther like they responded to all the others. They put him down as just another "hater," blinded by religious bigotry. And today that's still the Jews' standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about them except the most fawning praise. When British newsman William Cash, Los Angeles correspondent for London's Daily Telegraph, reported late last year in a magazine article the simple fact that the executives in Hollywood's motion picture industry are nearly all Jews, they shrieked at him, "Hater!" and denied his fact. When famous actor Marlon Brando later repeated the same fact, he was as well attacked for being an "anti-Semite". Thus, Israel Shahak's book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years" is all the more important for being a document by a aknowledgeable Jew -- a Jewish "insider" -- about the beliefs and behavior of his fellow Jews. Born in Warsaw in 1933, Shahak spent a portion of his childhood in the concentration camp in Belsen, from which he immigrated to Palestine in 1945. He grew up in Israel, served in the Israeli military, and became a chemistry professor. Like all Israelis, he became fluent in Hebrew. He also became acclimated to the peculiar moral atmosphere of Israeli society: a combination of overweening arrogance and deceit, a mixture of pugnacious self-righteousness and duplicity. Unlike his fellow Israelis, however, Professor Shahak is deeply troubled by this peculiar atmosphere. Whereas the Jews around him take it for granted that the goyim on whom they depend for economic, military, and diplomatic support are too stupid ever to figure out what the Jews think about them and say about them behind their backs and plan to do to them when they can, and too sheeplike ever to take effective action if they do figure it out, he worries. He remembers that the Romans figured it out, and they consequently sacked Jerusalem and ended their cult in Palestine. He remembers that the Germans figured it out, and that's why he became an involuntary tenant in a concentration camp. He's worried that if his fellow Jews continue behaving as they always have, they will get themselves into some really serious trouble -- again. In particular, Professor Shahak is concerned about the behavior of those of his people who adhere to "Judaism". He is not one of these himself, and so he is able to look with some degree of objectivity at the mixture of superstition, Jewish chauvinism, and hatred of non-Jews which makes up the Jewish religion and its sacred writings. He deplores traditional Jewish teachings, not only because of the danger that some new Martin Luther will come along and spill the beans to the Gentiles, but because of the spiritually debilitating effect these teachings have had on the Jews themselves. Of the world of medieval Jewry in Europe, the world of the ghetto and the shtetl which modern Jewish writers refer to in euphoric tones as a world of quaint tradition and piety, Shahak says: "It was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism, and ignorance ..." He cites a number of specific instances of the ways in which Jewish religious authorities have kept their flocks under control. In general, the rabbis have taught their fellow Jews that their Gentile neighbors are spiritually and morally unclean; that they are subhuman, on a level with the beasts of the field; and that they hate Jews and must be hated in return. Jews are taught that the Christian religion is a religion fit only for animals, and that its founder, Jesus, was the son of a prostitute and is presently immersed in a pit of boiling excrement in hell. Among the Hassidim (Hebrew for "pious ones"  all of these teachings are kept current. Shahak points out that a central thesis of the Hassidic doctrine is that only Jews are human beings, and that the universe was created for them alone. Non-Jews were created only to be used by Jews. Although this teaching about the subhumanity of Gentiles is most open and explicit among the bearded, sidelocked, black-hatted Orthodox Jews that one sees in Jewish strongholds such as New York City, it comes from the core of Jewish tradition and is accepted to a greater or lesser degree by all pious Jews. It is, for example, a specific tenet of the Jewish Defense League and is cited in the membership handbook for that group. Especially frustrating to Professor Shahak is the clever deception which his fellow Jews use to conceal the true nature of Judaism from their Gentile neighbors. Regarding the veil of false piety which conceals from Gentile eyes the malevolent doctrine of the Hassidim, he writes: "A chief deceiver in this case, and a good example of the power of deception, was Martin Buber. His numerous works eulogizing the whole Hassidic movement (including Habbad) never so much as hint at the real doctrines of Hassidism concerning non-Jews." Buber (1878-1965) promoted Hassidism in Germany during the rise of the National Socialists -- in fact, until 1938, when he left for Palestine -- and Shahak considers Buber's efforts, despite their deceptiveness, at least partly responsible for the National Socialist reaction to the Jews. Another example of Jewish deception given by Professor Shahak concerns the etymology of the Yiddish word for a Gentile girl, shiksa. He cites the popular English-language book "The Joys of Yiddish" (New York, 1968), by Leo Rosten, which tells its readers that shiksa comes from the Hebrew word sheqetz, meaning "blemish". Writes Shahak, "This is a barefaced lie, as every speaker of Hebrew knows. The Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel, correctly defines sheqetz as follows: 'unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination...' " Professor Shahak writes with passion. He evidently feels that liberating Jews everywhere from the shackles of their misanthropic superstitions and freeing Israeli state policy in particular from the stifling influence of Judaism is a matter of some urgency. He focuses our attention especially on the inherent hatefulness of Judaism with citations from a number of Jewish religious writings. In a chapter titled "The Laws against Non-Jews," he writes: "...[T]he Halakhah, that is the legal system of classical Judaism -- as practiced by practically all Jews from the 9th century to the end of the 18th and as maintained to this very day in the form of Orthodox Judaism -- is based primarily on the Babylonian Talmud. However, because of the unwieldy complexity of the legal disputations recorded in the Talmud, more manageable codifications of talmudic law became necessary ... The most authoritative code, widely used to date as a handbook, is the Shulhan 'Arukh..." He then cites the teaching of this code regarding homicide: "According to the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew ... When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all. "Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan 'Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, "one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice ... there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly." ... "A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished." Then Shahak gives us a rabbi's answer to an Israeli soldier who has asked whether or not it is proper to kill Arab women and children. In his answer the rabbi quotes from the Talmud: "The best of the Gentiles -- kill him; the best of snakes -- dash out its brains." Perhaps even more offensive are the Jewish beliefs on sexual matters. Shahak writes: "Sexual intercourse between a married Jewish woman and any man other than her husband is a capital offense for both parties, and one of the three most heinous sins. The status of Gentile women is very different. The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be utterly promiscuous and the verse "whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue [of semen] is like the issue of horses" is applied to them... Therefore, the concept of adultery does not apply to intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman; rather the Talmud equates such intercourse to the sin of bestiality... "According to the Talmudic Encyclopedia: "He who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: 'thy fellow's wife' rather than the alien's wife ... and although a married Gentile woman is forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exempted." "This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted -- quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew: "If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day -- because he had willful coitus with her she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble."" The Talmud's overriding concern with matters of money and property mirror that of the Jews, and Professor Shahak offers a number of hair-splitting examples of Jewish beliefs on the subject and the way in which distinctions are made between the property of Jews and Gentiles, and between Jewish dealings with another Jew and with a Gentile. Two of these examples will suffice here: "If a Jew finds property whose probable owner is Jewish, the finder is strictly enjoined to make a positive effort to return his find by advertising it publicly. In contrast, the Talmud and all the early rabbinical authorities not only allow a Jewish finder to appropriate an article lost by a Gentile, but actually forbid him or her to return it... "It is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an unreasonable price. However, "Fraud does not apply to Gentiles, for it is written: 'Do not defraud each man his brother'..."" Shahak points out that "the Halakhah interprets all such idioms [as 'each man his brother' or 'neighbor'] as referring exclusively to one's fellow Jew." How have the Jews managed to keep teachings of this sort concealed from the Gentiles among whom they live? The truth of the matter is that they have not always been able to do so. Luther was not the only Christian scholar who learned Hebrew, peered into the Talmud, and was horrified by what he saw. Sometimes the Jews were able to bribe the Christian authorities to overlook such things, but throughout the later Middle Ages there were prohibitions and burnings of talmudic literature by outraged popes and bishops. The Jews developed a clever system of double bookkeeping to circumvent such "persecution". They modified or deleted the offending passages from new editions of the Talmud, and they made up a separate compendium -- Talmudic Omissions, or in Hebrew Hesronot Shas -- which circulated surreptitiously among the rabbis. In Israel today, feeling cocky enough to dispense with most such deceptions, the Jews are putting the passages which formerly had been omitted or modified back into the latest editions of the Talmud or the Shulhan 'Arukh in their original form. They are still careful with translations into Gentile tongues, however. Professor Shahak gives an example: "In 1962 a part of the Maimonidean Code ... the so-called Book of Knowledge, which contains the most basic rules of Jewish faith and practice, was published in Jerusalem in a bilingual edition, with the English translation facing the Hebrew text. The latter has been restored to its original purity, and the command to exterminate Jewish infidels appears in it in full: "It is a duty to exterminate them with one's own hands." In the English translation this is somewhat softened to: "It is a duty to take active measures to destroy them." But then the Hebrew text goes on to specify the prime examples of "infidels"who must be exterminated: "Such as Jesus of Nazareth and his pupils, and Tzadoqand Baitos [the founders of the Sadducean sect] and their pupils, may the name of the wicked rot." Not one word of this appears in the English text on the facing page (78a). And, even more significant, in spite of the wide circulation of this book among scholars in the English-speaking countries, not one of them has, as far as I know, protested against this glaring deception." Israel Shahak is a rare Jew indeed, and his book is essential reading for anyone interested in the problem of the Jews. http://www.abbc.com/islam/english/toread/jewhist.htm http://www.abbc.com/protocols/indexen.htm
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 11:01 pm Well, here's a lot of keen insight. Some idiot even hypothosizes that the Israelis can'T use nuclear weapons due to fall out. This moron doesn't even know basic facts about the employment of nukes. Israel can use them and if threatened with destruction will use them. If any Arab leader really doubts that and launches a successful conventional attack against Israel there will most asuredly be a nuclear response. All we see here is the classic diatribe. Israel sucks, Jews are blood suckers. I would have thought that by the year 2,000 we could have moved beyond this, but nope, we still see the same ol' dumb ideas abounding. Everyone things they have the moral high ground. Pathetic. And concerning Somalis, who have no economic or vital interest at stake, it's even funnier.
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| | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 02:24 am MAD MAC; Shame on You, west knows itself better than anyone else the kind of diseases it carries through out the centuries,sense of faithless, and lost of human dignity. Where ever you find unjuctice there you find eruropeans hung around as a result of corrupted faith. So MAC it is upto you to stay where you are or to come on the light of justice and fearness. You made a big mistakes when you though that Al-Qudus and Palastine issue is not our business, don't underestimate the ´onesness of muslim UMMAH whether in chechnia or sub-sahara. Yes, we are so pathetic to palasine and we do share with their sadness and happiness moments. About the our econamy or so called our "vital interest" couldn't contradict our faith with God, as like your case.....
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| | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 03:06 pm mad. I would have believed your concern if you were not MAD. Go figure what I mean.
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| | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 03:36 pm International Christian Zionist Congress Proclamation http://www.netvision.net.il/php/tehilah/ PROCLAMATION of the THIRD INTERNATIONAL CHRISTIAN ZIONIST CONGRESS _______________________________________________ The following Proclamation was adopted unanimously at the Third International Christian Zionist Congress, convened in Jerusalem from February 25th to the 29th, 1996. The Congress, attended by approximately 1,500 delegates and other participants representing over 40 countries, was sponsored by the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. ______________________________________________ PREAMBLE We, the delegates to the Third International Christian Zionist Congress, have assembled in Jerusalem this 29th day of February,1996. This Congress coincides with the 3,000th anniversary celebration of the Jewish presence in Jerusalem, the Holy City of God. Confident in the favour of God upon our endeavours, we have convened for the following purposes: To join the celebration of “Jerusalem 3,000”; To pray for the peace of Jerusalem and to declare our firm position on the future status of the city; To demonstrate Christian concern for Israel and the Jewish People; To commit our fervent efforts to instruct and persuade Christians and men everywhere of the revealed truths pertaining to Israel and the Jewish People in the Testaments of God an enlightened by the Holy Spirit; To deliberate on the positions and measures which we must take to assist Israel and the Jewish People in facing the challenges before them, particularly in response to the Agreements and final-status talks with the Palestinian Arabs, the bi-lateral talks with Syria, and the need for continuing Aliyah; To express our deep concern with and to seek to address the increasing threat posed by radical Islam to Israel, to Christian minorities in the Middle East and to the world, while offering compassionate prayer for those millions of people now in the Islamic faith, and To determine the priorities for Christian Zionist efforts in the future. _____________________________________________ AFFIRMATION OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM After careful consideration and prayer, we join with one heart and mind to declare and decree our firm belief that: 1. The Bible is the inspired Word of God and is the basis of our faith as Christians following the teachings of our Lord and the Apostles and the source of our motivation as Zionists. 2. God the Father, Almighty, chose the ancient nation and people of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to reveal His plan of redemption for the world. They remain elect of God, and without the Jewish nation His redemptive purposes for the world will not be completed. 3. Jesus of Nazereth is the Messiah and has promised to return to Jerusalem, to Israel and to the world. 4. It is reprehensible that generations of Jewish Peoples have been killed and persecuted in the name of our Lord, and we challenge the Church to repent of any sins of commission or omission against them. 5. The scattering of the Jewish People throughout the centuries of the Diaspora was ordained by the Lord as corrective, as were previous exiles, and redemptive, bringing the knowledge of the one true God of Israel unto the Gentile nations. 6. The modern Ingathering of the Jewish People to Eretz Israel and the rebirth of the nation of Israel are in fulfillment of biblical prophecies, as written in both the Old and New Testaments. 7. Christian believers are instructed by Scripture to acknowledge the Hebraic roots of their faith and to actively assist and participate in the plan of God for the ingathering of the Jewish People and the restoration of the nation of Israel in our day. 8. The Lord in His zealous love for Israel and the Jewish People blesses and curses peoples and judges nations based upon their treatment of the Chosen People of Israel. 9. Concerning Jerusalem: It is the Holy City of the Jewish People and those of biblical faith. At the time appointed by God, Messiah will return to sit on the everlasting Throne of David in Jerusalem and will reign over all the world in righteousness and peace. 10. According to God’s distribution of nations, the Land of Israel has been given to the Jewish People by God as an everlasting possession by an eternal covenant. The Jewish People have the absolute right to possess and dwell in the Land, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan. 11. Christians should oppose all forms of discrimination and prejudice (anti-Semitism) against the Jewish People and the Jewish State and should seek to be a comfort and a friend to them. 12. God’s choice of Israel was a means to reach the world with His a love, Word and redemption. Therefore, fulfilling the Great Commission is vital and flows out of our commitment to Israel. _______________________________________________ SENSE OF THE CONGRESS RESOLUTIONS Further, we are persuaded by the clear unction of our God to express the sense of this Congress on the following concerns before us this day: 1. Because of the sovereign purposes of God for the City, Jerusalem must remain undivided, under Israeli sovereignty, open to all peoples, the capitol of Israel only, and all nations should so concur and place their embassies here. 2. As a faith bound to love and forgiveness we are appreciative of the attempts by the Government of Israel to work tirelessly for peace. However, the truths of God are sovereign and it is written that the Land which He promised to His People is not to be partitioned. It is our moral sense that Israel and the nations err in according favour and status to the current leadership of the Palestine Liberation Organization and in placing in their hands land and people that are precious to God. It would be further error for the nations to recognize a Palestinian state in any part of Eretz Israel. 3. To the extent the Palestinian Covenant or any successor instrument calls for the elimination of Israel or denies the right of Israel to exist within secure borders in Eretz Israel, it should be abolished. 4. The Golan is part of biblical Israel and is a vital strategic asset necessary for the security and defense of the entire country. no bilateral or multilateral agreements with Syria should give consent to, either expressly or by implication, Syria’s continued occupation of Lebanon and oppression of its Christian community. 5. Israel has the clear and lawful right to defend itself. 6. Regarding Islam, we express the following concerns with Muslim attitudes towards Jews and Christians out of a sense of compassion for the millions of people who believe that they follow in the faith of Abraham by way of Islam, and with a commitment to intercede for them, that the Spirit of Truth will reveal to them the true nature of the faith of Abraham: A. We are convinced from a biblical standpoint that the Muslim concept of “Allah” is an anti-Jewish and anti-Christian distortion of how God revealed Himself to the Patriarchs, Kings and Prophets of Israel, and how God has revealed Himself through our Lord. We find these attitudes have their source in the portions of the Qur’an which accuse Jews and Christians of having falsified the revelation of God given in Scripture. B. Those elements within the Islamic faith which promote hatred of Israel and of Jewish peoples bring spiritual bondage, evil and confusion upon themselves, their followers and their nations. Christian compassion demands that all Christians actively seek to free them from any such hatred towards Israel and the Jewish People. C. The Islamic claim to Jerusalem, including its exclusive claim to the Temple Mount, is in direct contradiction to the clear biblical and historical significance of the city and its holiest site, and this claim is of later religio-political origin rather than arising from any Qur’anic text or early Muslim tradition. D. We condemn that radical view now ascendant within Islam which, by its own tenets, advocates violence and Jihad (holy war) as a legitimate means to spread the Islamic faith and advance the Islamic world view. We find the most pernicious expression of such radical views is the belief that a Muslim who sacrifices his very life to kill a Jew receives the reward of instant entry to Paradise. The practice of such beliefs poses an increasingly unacceptable peril to Israel and a grave threat to both the Muslim and non-Muslim peoples throughout the world. These threats must be opposed and challenged by all. 7. While Gentile believers have been grafted into that household of faith which is of Abraham (the commonwealth of Israel), replacement theology within the Christian faith, which does not recognize the ongoing biblical purposes for Israel and the Jewish People, is doctrinal error. 8. Regarding Aliyah, we remain concerned for the fate of imperiled Jewish People in diverse places, and seek to encourage and assist in the continuing process of Return of the Exiles to Eretz Israel. To this end we commit to work with Israel and to encourage the Diaspora to fulfill the vision and goal of gathering to Israel the greater majority of all Jewish People from throughout the world. ________________________________________________ Pledge We recognize that in making and declaring this Proclamation, we engage fully in matters of great weight and concern to the nations. As Christians we are commanded to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as our self. Bound by His Divine love, we are yielded to a ministry of reconciliation which yearns to reconcile humankind to our Creator and people to each other. Therefore, we make this Proclamation with a sense of purpose and destiny, and with pure conscience, knowing that the mercies of our Lord are ever toward us and are available to all men everywhere, and that He will perform all that He has promised to do. Therefore, we pledge the unwavering commitment of our lives and resources to accomplish the goals and purposes set forth herein. _______________________________________________ APPENDIX We rely on the following specific Scriptures, among others, as the basis for our firm beliefs: Affirmation 1: Deuteronomy 8:3; Psalms 119:103, 105; Matthew 4:4; Acts 2:42; 2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16. Affirmation 2: Genesis 12:1-3; Romans 11:1-2; Romans 11:28. Affirmation 3: Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6; Isaiah 53; Psalms 22; Romans 15:1. Affirmation 4: Luke 24:47. Affirmation 5: Joshua 16:1; Luke 21:24; Romans 11:28-30. Affirmation 6: Jeremiah 23:3,7,8; Jeremiah 31:8-10,23; Amos 9:13. Affirmation 7: Psalms 80; Isaiah 40:1; Isaiah 49:22-23; Isaiah 60:10-12; Romans 11:17, 25. Affirmation 8: Genesis 12:1-3; Joel 3:1-3; Matthew 25:36. Affirmation 9: Isaiah 2; Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 3:17; Zechariah 14; Revelation 2:26-27. Affirmation 10: Genesis 17:1-8; Joel 3:1-3. Affirmation 11: Isaiah 40:1; Zechariah 2:8; Matthew 5: 1-12. Affirmation 12: Genesis 12:1; Romans 9:4-5.
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 04:12 am Holy Cow. As if it wasn't bad enough we have the Islamic nutcases here, now we have a Jewish nutcase with some sort of Christian background. Great. Just great. OK, here's my next solution to the problem. All Arabs and Jews who want to lead normal lives move to America. We'll make a one time exception and let them move here. Everyone who wants to be an idiot, he gets to move to "the promised land" or the sacred land or whatever the hell you want to call it. The fanatics get to kill each other will careless abandon. We cordon off the killing zone to ensure it does not include oil producing areas. If you're a nutcase you have to move from the oil producing areas into the killing zone. The fanatics then get to kill each other as much as they want. Outsiders can sell weapons to make a profit. If birth rates match death rates they can kill each other indefinately while everyone else ignores them or makes a small profit off of the mess. Hiring outside mercenaries is permitted under the "outside purchase" clause. This sounds like a great idea. All the freaks can fight and kill each other and the rest of us can focus on the future and ignore them.
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 11:48 pm to the jewish wanna be. First, a jew man wouldn't come here to visit unless he is of somali culture and religion. Second you cited the freakish televangelist diatribe I see every morning on tv. They are obsessed with the final war between the forces of evil(jews and polytheists) and the forces of good( muslims). You shouldn't worry, it will come as said by our prophet that we will once again retake jerusalem with the jews meeting their final destiny on our hands. Also it is written that all jews will gather from around the world to isreal. It is one of the sings of the last hour. I say hang in there and pray to your cross or whatever you deem neccessary before you meet your wish. If it is violence that you are interested so much with muslims, there are muslims who can't wait for the promised blessed war, some of us can't sleep during the night thinking about it and praying it will happen sooner though impossible. Too bad the current generation of islam is not ready for that battle yet. But it will come, and when it comes, embrace the fate of no return. You already see the jews coming from around every corner, The plan is taking shape in our time and history. You freaks can't wait I know that, but hey, you have no knowledge of what is waiting for you out there when the event takes place, so why not take your time and save us this obsession of yours. We know the art of waiting and the fulfillment of the promise of ALLAH: "10.4 .... The promise of Allah is true and sure." And next time you log on, try to use one of your previous usernames. Don't feel ashamed of yourself for I know the defeat sometimes hurts and forces people to go underground.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 02:02 am Forgeust Yep, that's right. the end of the world is coming. All the Jews are going to move to Israel and then the Good Good Muslims can kill the BAD BAD Jews. No folling you guys. No sir. You know something, you freaks deserve each other.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 03:54 am Yyyyucccck, mad cow or whatever it is that you call yourself. I puke at the thought of having an unwashed dirty scumbag like you being on the same site as us. Yeah, you red right. Our time is coming sooner than you think. I promise you that the Muslims won't forget what the Jews or the Christians for that matter, have committed against us. If any body deserves being with those treacherous animals then it's probably you and you likes. A time will come when you'll be laughing out of your •••••••, LOL. So enjoy the fun while it lasts.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 05:19 am Fatuma There you go again, painting everyone with the same brush. Life must be pretty simple for you. You've got Muslims - they're the good guys. You've got Kufaar (which is everyone else) they're the bad guys. Muslims are clean, God Fearing, respectable people. Kufaar are the unwashed masses who practice all sorts of pagan rites and rituals. It's a simple black and white thing for you. It keeps the world nice and flat. The Qur'an preaches tolerance and understanding, it teaches dealing fairly because it says that among the Christians you will find those who are in sympathy with your ideals. But then, you probably never read it anyway. It would complicate your view of the world.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 11:20 am Dear Mad Mac, Please don't tell us what the Quran teaches cause you are in a very bad position to give us knowledge about the Quran. It is not because you are already a Kufaar, but it is because you are quite ignorant of the Quran. Some forumsers have been reading the Quran since their childhoods so that's why you may seem odd that every one is turned against you. Other forumsers, have grown in a muslim society and have been tought how to live a muslim life, even if they haven't read it, they grew up in that kind of environment. So the probability of us being right and you being wrong about the Quran is 10 to 0.5 . Nowhere in the Quran does it say to turn the cheek to let yourself be killed, to let yourself be humiliated, to stand and watch you brothers get killed and then do nothing. Nowhere in the Quran does it say to relax when the name of God is being insulted, desecrated. I am proud to be muslim cause if I was christian, the whites would have used religion to enslave me and enslave my dignity and enslave my morality.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 10:31 pm Mahmood Have you read the previous posts. I'm not saying the Palestinians should do nothing. I'm not even saying the State of Isarael is right. I'm saying that right now cooler heads need to prevail on both sides and they need to come up with a solution that will be accepted by the two main governing bodies involved. Name calling and cries of Jihad are counterproductive. Whether the Palestinians are right or not is irrelevant. As Napoleon said, God is ont he side with the best artillery. The Palestinians need to play the hand they have right now before they lose even more territory - a very real possibility should there be another mid-intesnsity war with Israel. As for people who grew up in Muslim societies, that's crap. Most Muslim countries violate Islams teachings every day. Don't take it from me (although I've lived about 1 1/2 years in Muslim countries) ask Asad, he'll tell you. Just because you grew up in a "Muslim Country" doesn't mean you know squat about Islam.
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 10:40 pm Mahmood, my brother. You took the words out of my mouth. Mad infidel doesn't have a clue of what he's writing about. But then, when do they know what they are talking about! Mad, save your patronizing views and shove them down the poor people that you've enslaved while colonizing them. Those lies aren't excepted within the Muslims. Frankly asking you are clutching at thin grass with your overexaggerated postings. I am happy that your postings are seen for what they really stand for. Propaganda against Islam and pro Zionism. Your cover is blown, so to speak!!
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 12:05 am "The Qur'an preaches tolerance and understanding, it teaches dealing fairly because it says that among the Christians you will find those who are in sympathy with your ideals." yes, that is very true. but not all the so-called christians of today sypathize with what is happening to the muslims. some of them know what the israelis are doing is terrorism. they know the injustices and they have sympathy for the muslims. however, the christians that the Qura'n is talking about are not the ones whose ideas are different from what jesus preached.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 01:45 am Mad. The christians that sympathise with our way of life and beliefs are not obviously the usurpers you saw in somalinet selling to us the trinity.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 02:08 am Asad and Formerguest I must humbly disagree. And I quote: "in 5:85 we are told that nearest in love to the Believers among the people of the Book are the Christians. I do not agree that this does not apply to modern Christians 'because they are practically atheists and free thinkers.' I think that Christian thought (like the worlds thought) has learnt a great deal from the protest of Islam against Priest domination, class domination, and sectarianism, and its insistence on making this life pure and beautiful while we are in it. We must stretch a friendly hand to all who are sincere and in sympathy with our ideals." Abdullahi Yusuf Ali the renowned Islamic scholar and cleric. All I hear from everyone on this net - with the occassional exception of Asad - is a harping on the negative. The Jews this and the Christians that. No one makes any effort at all to do anything other than denigrate the other. The Muslims I know in person don't do this - why do you people do it on the net???? Let's look at the Isarael / Palestine issue. Yes, the Palestinians have grievances. So do the Jews. They have lived under siege throughout the world for hundreds of years. They have no place else to go. If you insist that the clock be turned back to 1947, well you're insisting on the impossible. Some accomodation has to be made that is as equitable to both sides as possible. But nothing will ever be achieved unless all the parties on both sides learn to respect the basic rights of the other side to live in peace. Both sides need to meet the other half way. Right now the hard liners in both camps are dictating the tempo of what happens - and Fatuma, attitudes like yours injure your cause, you're just not intelligent enough or unbiased enough to see it. Mark my words cause I will quote them in a few months. If a major was breaks out, Israel will win it. If things go on the way they are, they'll just be more dead bodies to count every day and nothing will change.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 02:37 am mad mac, i do not deny that there are some so-called christians of today who know WHAT the israelis are doing (terrorism). as i told you, these so-called christians know the injustices and they have sympathy for the muslims. when the Qur'an talks about these people, they are not called 'christians'. the people the Qur'an was talking are those who followed the teachings of jesus, the teachings of paul. however, as proven by history, the christians, as whole, and the jews have had much in common and formed friendship to go against muslims. "Mark my words cause I will quote them in a few months. If a major was breaks out, Israel will win it." no questions about it that the israelis with the help of US has been winning the war in that area and they will continue to win as long as muslims in that area are weak(in faith, in political tactics and in military power). "If things go on the way they are, they'll just be more dead bodies to count every day and nothing will change." yes, there will be more palestinian dead bodies by the israelis with the help of US, but it would not be the fault of the palestinian people that they got killed. if it is the fault of palestinian people, then it was not the fault of hitler to kill so many jewish people. it was the fault of jewish people to have had so many dead bodies in germany, right? ;-)
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 02:44 am mad mac, i do not deny that there are some so-called christians of today who know WHAT the israelis are doing (terrorism). as i told you, these so-called christians know the injustices and they have sympathy for the muslims. when the Qur'an talks about these people, they are not called 'christians'. the people the Qur'an was talking were those who followed the teachings of jesus, NOT the teachings of paul. however, as proven by history, the christians, as a whole, and the jews, have had much in common and formed friendship to go against muslims. "Mark my words cause I will quote them in a few months. If a major was breaks out, Israel will win it." no questions about it that the israelis with the help of US has been winning the war in that area and they will continue to win as long as muslims in that area are weak (in faith, in political tactics and in military power). "If things go on the way they are, they'll just be more dead bodies to count every day and nothing will change." yes, there will be more palestinian dead bodies by the israelis with the help of US, but it would not be the fault of the palestinian people that they got killed. if it is the fault of palestinian people, then it was not the fault of hitler to kill so many jewish people. it was the fault of jewish people to have had so many dead bodies in germany, right? ;-)
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 04:34 am Asad You keep going back to fault. Who's "fault" it is doesn't matter. This is the real world, and the real world is grounded in reality. The reality is that no Israeli government can turn the clock back and reaarange the borders back to what they were even in 67. And no European or American government is going to force them to do so. The power structures of this world are not going to change radically in the next 30 years - China will experience some growth but has a long way to go. IT also may fragment when the centralized regime in Beijing collapses as it inevtiably must. So, if the people who are parents right now in Palestine want a better life for their children, they need to work out a deal now that gives their children hope for the future. Otherwise, regardless of who's right and who's wrong this thing will never end and they'll just be more bodies to count - and at the end of the day who's fault it is won't matter.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 07:31 am "You keep going back to fault. Who's "fault" it is doesn't matter. This is the real world, and the real world is grounded in reality." well, in the real world, the jewish do not think it is their fault. so since they do not think their fault to kill the palestinian people, they we can conclude that hitler was doing a good job and had no fault to kill the jewish peopel. "And no European or American government is going to force them to do so." the europeans, americans and the israelis are still hunting any nazi person alive. why don't they just forget about what happened 55 years ago since they can not turn back the clock? "at the end of the day who's fault it is won't matter." but the jewish still think it matters what happened to them. they still blame hitler and the nazis and they remind us about their plight so it would not happen again. if you tell them it does not matter what hitler did to them, they will not accept that, but they want you to accept and forget about what they are doing to innocent people.!
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 08:33 am Asad Look, I'm not sayin' they're right. But your sayin' that the Israeli position and history doesn't mean anything and I'm sayin' it does. Now look, I've seen a million conflicts with a million reasons, and history and position always count. Everyone here's actin' like it doesn't but it does, that's what's so fuckin' dangerous about the whole situation. I mean, during those terrorist attacks, those were Israeli citizens getting killed. They ain't gonna have a sense of humor about that ••••, ya know what I'm sayin'? It's time now for the cooler heads to prevail, everyone sit down at the ol' bargaining table before the whole thing gets outta hand. If they're not careful here they're gonna have a bloodbath, with a lot more Arab blood than Israeli. And that serves no ones interests.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 09:40 am "Look, I'm not sayin' they're right. But your sayin' that the Israeli position and history doesn't mean anything and I'm sayin' it does." if hitler was wrong to terrorize the jewish people, then the israelis (with the help of US) is wrong to terrorize palestinian people and still occupy their land. if the israelis position in hitler's time mean something to the jewish, then palestinian people's position mean something to the palestinians. "Everyone here's actin' like it doesn't but it does, that's what's so fuckin' dangerous about the whole situation." if there is nothing dangerous about the situation with the palestinian people, then there was nothing dangerous about the situation with the jewish people in hitler's time, right? ;-)
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 09:53 am "Everyone here's actin' like it doesn't but it does, that's what's so fuckin' dangerous about the whole situation." if there is something dangerous about the situation with the palestinian people, then there was something dangerous about the situation with the jewish people in hitler's time, right? ;-) the nazis and hilter had no sense of humor about that ••••, ya know what I'm sayin' when they were terrorizing the jewish people. the nazis and hilter had their cheap excusess (the jewish race was threat to the society) to kill and defend themselves from the jewish threat. then there were more jewish bloodbath because the jewish people didn't stop their filthy cultural thing. it did not serve no ones interests, right? but the whole thing got outta hand, just like it is going to get out of hand with israelis plan with the palestinian people since they are using the same cheap excuses hilter and the nazis used on them. ;-)
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:38 am You're missing my point. It's like you're not listening. You keep dwelling on right and wrong (the comparison with Nazi Germany, incidentally, is a poor one. The Israelis are not lining up the entire Palestinian population, shooting them all, and cremating them). If the year were 1938 and we were in a position to work out a solution to the Jewish problem then, I would have said "Look, it's time for you to sell off your property and get out of dodge. 'Cause if you don't you're in deep ••••." They then say "But the Nazis are wrong. This is my home." I then say "Ever hear of Dead right? Well that's what you're going to be if you don't leave Germany and move far away right now." Now in this case the situation isn't that extreme. The Palestinians won't be mass murdered in the millions. But they could jeapordize their presence on the West Bank. The Religious parties certainly aren't above pushing them all across the Jordan river if given the chance. And if the situation worsens significantly, if the Barak government falls and the conservatives returns, look out, because they're gonna play hard ball and they're holding all the trump cards. At some point you have to cut your losses and face reality. The reality is that the 800 pound gorilla (which is Israel in this case) can pretty much do what he wants and what's restraining that gorilla right now is the Barak government. This uprising is undermining that government. The Palestinians are getting ready to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. A blind man can see it. Barak and Arafat had better put their little knuckleheads together pretty soon or neither of them will have a future nor will their peoples.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 12:11 pm "You keep dwelling on right and wrong (the comparison with Nazi Germany, incidentally, is a poor one. The Israelis are not lining up the entire Palestinian population, shooting them all, and cremating them)." yes, the israelis have been shooting and killing innocent people whom they robbed from their homes. there are thousand of palestinian people in jail and are being tortured everyday. of all people, the israelis should know what is like to be terrorized, but they don't see it. "If the year were 1938 and we were in a position to work out a solution to the Jewish problem then, I would have said "Look, it's time for you to sell off your property and get out of dodge." well, many many palestinian people have left already and ran for their lives and many other were deported from their homes and wondering place to place. "Cause if you don't you're in deep ••••." They then say "But the Nazis are wrong. This is my home." I then say "Ever hear of Dead right? Well that's what you're going to be if you don't leave Germany and move far away right now. Now in this case the situation isn't that extreme. The Palestinians won't be mass murdered in the millions." the palestinian people are already in deep ...... the torture and terror continues for them. your solution and the jewish solution is that the palestinian people that are left in palestine should be quite or else they should die. "But they could jeapordize their presence on the West Bank." they could, but who was the one who said "give me death or give me liberty"? was it patrick henry? i'm not sure. accidentally, that man and his people were not even the real owers of the land they were willing to die for. the land belonged to other people who was robbed and killed, the so-called red indians who lived in america.! "The Palestinians are getting ready to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire." like the jewish did when hilter was doing the cooking (the terror), right? ;-) "A blind man can see it." i see it. "Barak and Arafat had better put their little knuckleheads together pretty soon or neither of them will have a future nor will their peoples." to me, barak is no different than hitler. at least hitler was not a hypocrite. hitler had the guts to show his true colors. hitler was a terrorist and so is barak. if patrick henry was a freedom fighter, then the palestinian people are freedom fighters, right, mad mac? ;-)
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 02:46 pm Muslims you see don't say what we say because you don't talk to them in person the way you do to us on the net. Do you act this authoritative?. Do you come across as the only smart individual?. Do you say what you say about us "being dogmatic" or whatever you like to throw at us?. You see mad, you are practicing uncensored thoughts on the net, speaking of your mind plainly and clearly. If your thoughts clearly contradict the teachings of islam which they do except when you beg for cover, I think we have to say what is inline with the teachings of islam. Most of the time, we give you the sources so that you can check that for yourself. And islam doesn't teach people to fold their arms to be done with. Are you guys imperialists and usurpers willing to share the world equally with islam and respecting its rulings and don't meddle with islamic affairs as you do all the time?. The obvious answer is no. Then, how do one of you guys expect that muslims have to live with this situation all the time?. History teaches that always it is you guys WHO are on the offensive trying to aim all you got at islam. You prove the QURAN right all the time. Why do you demand love when you guys have no love in your hearts for us because we are different?. See?. Prove the Quran wrong when it says: "2.120 Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which has reached you, then would you find neither protector nor helper against Allah." It is hard to come by someone who doesn't have negative impression about islam and that is because those who claim to be the men of god who campaing to make islam the guilty and the religion of the wicked. WHY NOT SEE HOW SOMALI DISBELIEVERS BEHAVE IN THIS FORUMS AND THE WAY THEY HATE ALL WE STAND FOR?. You don't need to prove the QURAN looking somewhere else, check how somalis insult the religion of their brethren in blood when show up here on the net. You can't respect somebody when he has no respect for you and your faith. The people who can prove the QURAN wrong are christians and jews if they don't fall in this category: ""3.118 O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire for you to suffer: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if you have wisdom." It is up to the people you blindly defend that need to understand ISLAM IS HERE TO STAY and muslims will never reconcile their differences of faith forever with anynone. So, if that is the cause of continous hatred and violence all the time, SO BE IT.
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