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LET US RETURN PALESTINE TO ISLAM AND THE MUSLIMS

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): Islam (Religion): Archive (Before Oct. 29, 2000): LET US RETURN PALESTINE TO ISLAM AND THE MUSLIMS
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Alyisa

Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 04:58 pm
An-Nasr Productions WeeklyLET US RETURN PALESTINE TO ISLAM AND THE MUSLIMS
Yasser Arafat has decided to delay the declaration of statehood of Palestine
much to the joy of the Jewish Authorities. But is the declaration a solution to
the problems that exist in that region? In fact the solution is not the
declaration of statehood, today or tomorrow, but the removal of the Israeli
occupation and the establishment of an Islamic (not Arab) State.
It is a fact that when the Palestine problem was created by Britain in 1917,
about 90% of the population of Palestine were Muslims and that there were at
that time no more than 56,000 Jews in Palestine. Of these Jews, more than half
of the Jews were recent immigrants, who had come to Palestine in the preceding
decades in order to escape persecution in Europe. Less than 5% of the population
of Palestine were native Palestinian Jews.
Not only did the Jews violate the hospitality of the Muslims, but they butchered
and killed many in their quest to steal the authority. Allah (SWT) says in the
Qur'an: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
limits; for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch
them and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and
oppression are worse than slaughter" [Explanation of the Meaning of the Qur'an
2:190- 191]
There can be no peace until all of the stolen area is returned back to the
rightful owners. It is inconceivable for any Muslim to agree to take back the
garden shed of his illegally occupied house, with the illegal occupant keeping
the rest. Not only is it against logic, and all laws known to a civilised world
but more importantly, it is not permitted from the Legislator, Allah (SWT).
The issues of contention is being made out to be the future of East Jerusalem,
occupied in 1967. It is true that at Camp David, Israel agreed to honour U.N
resolution 242 asking for Israeli withdrawal from all occupied territories.
Israel continued to agree to this during Peace talks, but now refuse to hand
back East Jerusalem.
If Mr Arafat would look into history a little, he would realise that the Jews
are notorious for violating their contracts, such as the Jewish tribes of Bani
Qaynuqa, Bani Nadeer and Bani Quraizah whom the prophet (SAW) had to fight after
they allied with the Quraish to destroy Muslims and Islam. Indeed if he were to
study this, and open his eyes, Yasser Arafat would realise that the issue is not
merely one of East Jerusalem, but the WHOLE of the area now occupied by Israel!
Before Arafat was blinded by his desire to become President at whatever cost, or
before he had betrayed the Muslims, he claimed to represent them.
In 1968, the PLO who claimed to represent the Palestinian people declared:"Armed
struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This it is the overall strategy,
not merely a tactical phase." [PLO Charter 1968] Furthermore they continued:
"The partition of Palestine in 1947 and the establishment of the state of Israel
are entirely illegal, regardless of the passage of time…" [PLO Charter, 1968]
Yasser Arafat then publicly betrayed the Muslims, the Messenger Muhammad (SAW)
and Allah (SWT) in 1993 when he agreed: "The PLO recognizes the right of the
State of Israel to exist in peace and security." [Letter from Yasser Arafat to
Rabin, 9th September 1993]
O Muslims take heed of this warning! Do not violate Allah's Deen. We must reject
this Peace accord with Israel!! The only way peace would be possible is by
removing the existence of Israel with has seen nothing but violence in that
region of the world since its inception, and the war will continue until the
Muslims are victorious.
O Muslims, do not look to the United Nations for solutions, they are the enemies
of Allah who created the issue of Palestine in 1947 and have showed hypocrisy
ever since, supporting Israel and ignoring Muslims in Palestine, Lebanon,
Jordon, Egypt and Syria in contrast to their attitude to Iraq in the Gulf War.
O Muslims, remember that the rulers in the Muslim countries are nothing more
than the puppets of the West. They are stumbling over themselves to conclude
peace with Israel. Look at Abdur Rahman Wahid of Indonesia who could hardly wait
to normalise relations with Israel when he came to power, or the Turkish
Authorities who allow Israelis to use Turkey for military manoeuvres. These
rulers must be removed and replaced with the Islamic ruler, the Khaleefah.
O Muslims, look at the power that the Muslim world holds. By raising the price
of fuel from one unified body of Muslims would bring the western world to its
knees. We have the power, we just need the Will. "So lose not heart nor fall
into despair: for truly you will overcome them if you are believers" [EMQ 3:139]
"Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith
nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them: for
Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who
fight you for (your) Faith and drive you out of your homes and support (others)
in driving you out from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is
such as turn to them (in these circumstances) that do wrong." [EMQ 60:8-9]
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MAD MAC

Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 09:46 pm
Alyisa
It is this kind of mentality that has gotten us to where we are now. The Arab States can not defeat Israel on the battlefield. You can't look at individual examples of Jewish tribes 14 hundred years ago and say "see, the Jews can't be trusted". I could say the same thing about Somalis, who are notorious liars and exagerators. But in fact most Somalis are honest. Same for Arabs. The Jews can do the same thing - in fact this has led to their siege mentality.

While, in fact, the Palestinians suffered a great injustice fifty years ago, there is no turning the clock back. The state of Isarael is here to stay. The sooner you hard-liners recognize that the sooner we can move the peace process forward. If the conflict goes on and on (as you proscribe here) the Arab world will continue to get the worst of it.

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Alyisa

Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 12:44 pm
Mad

Palestine belongs to the muslims and the struggle will continue untill it is returned to them. Yes the muslim palestinians have suffered a lot in the hands of the Jews but the solution is not to turn the other cheeck while they slaughter muslims in their own homes.
The jews stole palestine and the state of "isreal" should have never come in to existance and it won't be for long. You and your people are sadly mistaken if you believe the muslims will give up Palestine. Let it be a 1000 years of war, peace will never be untill Palestine is returned to the Muslims and justice is severed.

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MAD MAC

Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 09:56 pm
Alysia
As I said before, the two parties can forge an agreement or they can continue to slug it out. The Arabs can not win through military force. Not now, not tommorrow. Take a look at my recommended solution to this problem on the "Turkey is trying to hard to joint EU" or some verbiage like that. I believe the problem is soluable. Your solution is no solution at all, just endless warfare. The Jews are not going to leave and the Arabs can't force them to.

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Abu Nidal

Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 10:17 pm
Dear Mac Mac,
I guess you have the same attitude as the ziosists by saying "The state of Israel is here to stay". You can't defy the will of God. If God decides to destroy it, it will be destroyed. The Roman Empire fell, the Egyptian civilisation fell, the Greek civilisation fell, USSR fell, and Israel is not even a power, so it can fall too. How can a tiny state that is not even self sufficient on food, and is living in a constant state of war live for ever ? Your suggestions is mere zionist propaganda.
Guns, bombs, nukes and planes can't defy the will of God. If God chooses to destroy Israel, he will say "Kun Fa Yakun", and it will be destroyed. Especially when iniquity, rape, murder, torture, terrorism, humiliation, hunger are daily acts committed against the Palestinian people. I hope Mad Mac that you are happy when you see 11 year old kids being gunned down by the Israeli military because they are labelled as terrorists. I hope Mad Mac that you are happy when you see muslims being humiliated in Jerusalem by a bygot like Ariel Sharon. I hope Mad Mac that you are happy when you see 10 year old kids being gunned down by Anti Tank missiles shot by military helicopters.
Do you think that God will not punish them in this world ? Do you think their oppression will continue till the end of the world ?
I thought you were more clever than that Mad Mac, you dissapoint me a lot. I guess you have more to learn in the middle east problem. Did you predict the actual riots ? I think the Israelis have lost the most : it showed the world Israel's brutality towards the palestinian people, it showed the world the capability of muslims, it showed the world the solidarity of palestinians, it destroyed Israel's credibility of control on the holy sites, it showed how vulnerable the Israel settlements in occcupied territories are, it humiliated Madeleine Albright, it destroyed Sharon's credibility and his election, it proved that all politicians in Israel are the same (a bunch of Zionist killers). I hate to see blood flowing but I'm glad to see resistance growing.

Don't forget Mad Mac that zionism is rascism in it's roots and fascism in it's means. I give the Zionist entity 20 to 50 years more to exist. Please Mad Mac, avoid engaging in this topic because you are quite ignorant (I can see it). Limit your talks on Somalis and Aydeed because it's the only thing that you do best. You are quite ignorant about Islam too, as I can see in your postings that you do not seem to understand what we post.

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Abu Nidal

Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 10:31 pm
Dear Mad Mac,
I forgot to add one thing. The peace process you are actually talking about is war process. There is nothing of peace in it. First of all, the mediator who is supposed to be judge has already taken one side. The Americans are with the Isrealis against the Arabs. Secondly, everybody wants to talk about peace, but nobody wants to talk about justice. There will be no peace till there is no justice : return of refugees, compensation for lost property, the capital for the state of Palestine in jerusalem, the liberation of political prisonners...
Third, peace must not be dictated and forced upon the nations. Americans cannot force Jews or Palestinians to make peace: it must come from a common will and a common sense, and a common need. Otherwise it will only bring chaos and anarchy. Iran is the only country that expressed the exact nature of the peace process. These are the three most important points why it is not a peace process but a war process.

I remember that before my grand father died (around 1993), I told him that Palestinians and jews were making peace. He told me to stop lying and to become more lucid because jews and Arabs can not make peace. My grand father was a great Islamic scholar and those are the words he told me before he died. He made the prophecy of Jews and Arabs never being able to make peace.
I think people shouldn't waste time and wait too musch on the peace process, because it is not a peace process.

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formerguest.

Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 12:26 am
The jews even refused an internatioanl investigation into the matter when it was demanded by many. Furthermore, I think Arafat is desgraced so much that he IS incapable of achieving anything. The poor guy takes what is thrown at him. He stormed out of the meeting in PARIS saying he is disgraced by the jewish supporters holding the meeting and guess what ALBRIGHT ordered, THE GATES MUST BE CLOSED so the ARAFAT traitor musn't slip out of the PALACE. I never felt any sympathy for arafat, but today there was a tricle of kindness in my heart for the poor guy after I read what happened to him.

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 01:42 am
Abu
Barring divine intervention - which appears to be damn slow in coming, The Arabs are not going to detroy the State of Israel. Here's why:

a. Israel has the advantage of interior lines of communication. When fighting multi-front conflicts the Israelis have been very proficient at utilizing these advantages.
b. the Egyptians are likely out of the game. They are receiving billions in US Aid. If they attack Israel they lose the money for no real gain - at least not on their part.
c. The Syrian military is in tatters. The old Soviet Sponsor is gone. All the Syrian Armor and Aircraft are second and thrid generation. Israeli armor would pick them apart like we did the Iraqis in Desert Storm. This is tank country, and quantity and quality of armor counts most.
d. The Israeli Air Force is second to none in the region. The only country that could give them a fight is the Saudis, and up to this opint they haven't wanted to play - it could affect their ability to sell oil - which would be bad for everyone involved, and worst for the Saudis who have nothing without oil.
e. If somehow the Arabs gained a trump card and successfully pursued a military solution, the Israeli would resort to Nuclear Weapons. No doubt about it. Tactical nukes first, to see if they could stem the tide, and nuking cities if that failed. I can't imagine the Syrians would risk Damascus for Palestine.

I believe the US can force a peace settlement for two reasons. First, peace is in everyones interest. The Palestinians are poppers. They need peace to start rebuilding. Also, the Palestinians are getting about 1/2 billioni dollars right now in US AID. Make a deal - if they sign a peace accord they get an even billion for the next 3 years. If they don't, we turn off the tap. Maybe we can get the Saudis and Europe to chip in too.
the Israelis receive huge economic aid from the US. Cut the aid and the Israelis go from a porsperous society to a struggling one. That's our ace in the whole in getting the Israelis to bargain. It's time to start leveraging them.

I'll admit the US dropped the ball on this last negotiation. The Clinton administration appears biased due to Hillarys run for the Senate. Hope she loses it and Hope Bush wins the election. Colin Powel is a smart guy, he might make some headqay here. I have no faith in Albright who always wants to bomb someone. I think she and the Clinton administrtion now lack the credibility to solve this problem.

But to simply say that Allah says the conflict can't be solved so we may as well fight forever is irresponsible. I don't care what the Qur'an says on this count and neither should you. Allah would approve of peace if it can be reasonably achieved. All you guys want to do is encourage others to fight and die for some dubious cause. Check out my recommended solution under the header "Turkey tries to hard to fit in with Europe" or words to that effect.

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