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Defeat Evil with Good - Why the Palestinians Fail

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 02:41 am
OK, all you knuckleheads out there who call for military action against Israel, a fight you can not win. Here's a solution for you, and I found it in the Qur'an.

Surah 13:22
Those who patiently persevere,
seeking the countenance of their Lord;
Establish regular prayers; spend out of the gifts we have bestowed
For their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off Evil with good: For such there is the final attainment of the Eternal Home.


Right now, the world has some sympathy with the Palestinians, but they do themselves a great injustice, esspecially among the people they must disarm the most - the Israelis, by throwing stones and causing riots. Imagine this scenerio. The Palestinians rally in the streets, quietly praying, moving towards land from which they have been dispossessed. TV cameras are whirling. The Israelis block their path. The Palestinians walk around barracades, seek alternate routes. All the while stopping for prayers. The Israelis security forces start becoming heavy handed in dealing wwith this mass of humanity. They try and use tear gas to break up the crowd. Maybe they shoot a few people. Suddenly, every reasonable Israeli is saying to himself, "Our own security forces are shooting peaceful demonstrators who have not raised a hand against them." This is how Mahatma Ghandi undermined British rule and how Martin Luther King undermined segregation in America. It would work for the Palestinians too. They just have to follow the guidance in this Surah and undermine evil with good.

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:43 am
Mad Mac, pack it in because we are in no mood to hear your sill ideologies. Israel has just bombarded innocent Palestinian civilians. My God, the arrogant way they referred to the Palestinians on the BBC. I am seeing red all around me as I sit and hear the the bombs falling and people running around. The chaos and the humility those people must be feeling. Only an uncivilized barbarian nation like the Jews could commit such an act. Shooting and bombing unarmed people just proves the assumption people have of them.Oh, the rage am feeling. Am contemplating murder but I've decided to demonstrate in the streets of Helsinki tomorrow to show my disdain for the bloodsucking Jews. Don't try to demise the Muslims any longer, you son of a Christian whore. Down with Jews and all the faggots you rally behind them. This is an act of aggression against people that have every right to be there. The Jews claimed that it was the Arabs fault that they are bombing them. That's like a wife beater suggesting she was asking for it! What kind of rationale is that? I am sorry is this posting doesn't make sense, but am crying as while as trying to write coherently my thoughts logically. I feel that am supposed to be doing more than expressing my anger and thoughts on the net. O Muslims Ummah, do you feel any remorse about what's enfolding right before our eyes?

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:52 am
Anon. Read my lips, you people asked for it! The Jews should have defended themselves a long time ago. That'll show you. Throwing stones and shouting slogans. It's the Palestinians fault that they are being killed and I hope this time the Jews finish the job. Don't expect us to to feel sorry for those terrorists. What is it to you anyway? Think of Somalia and all those dying of starvation there, instead of worrying about other countries that don't give a squat about you, lol.

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asad

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 07:08 am
"It's the Palestinians fault that they are being killed and I hope this time the Jews finish the job."

if its the palestinians fault, then it was the jewish fault that they being killed in germany and it would have been nice if hitler had finished the job and killed all of them, right, mad mac?

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anon

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 07:12 am
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anon

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 07:15 am
http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

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anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 07:52 am
The escalating conflict in the West Bank and Gaza has triggered vigorous official and unofficial demonstrations of support across the world for the Palestinian cause. But it also has put the spotlight on the divisions among Arab and other nations in the region.

POLITICAL ANALYSTS said the unusual and widespread protests pose a challenge for Arab countries as diverse as impoverished Sudan and oil-rich Saudi Arabia.

While Egypt and Jordan seek to reduce the Palestinian-Israeli tensions, which threaten to spill into their own nations, other Arab and Muslim countries are seeking confrontation. Yemen, Iraq and Iran have called for a full-scale war against Israel.

In Tehran, the former commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards announced the establishment of an international movement against Israel, the official Iranian news agency reported. Mohsen Rezaei said the group was independent of the government and was dedicated to the return of all Palestinians to their homeland.

Iran has consistently taken a hard line over efforts by its Arab neighbors to seek peace with Israel, and severed relations with Egypt after it signed the Camp David agreement in 1979. A street in Tehran is named after the assassin of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

RAGE ON THE STREETS
Students and other protesters have taken to the streets over the past week, rallying against Israel’s handling of clashes in Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip that have left more than 85 people dead, most of them Palestinians. More than a half-million people marched through the capital of Morocco, and in Yemen tens of thousands descended on a U.N. office.

Violence spread through the territories after hard-line Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon’s Sept. 28 visit to a Jerusalem shrine holy to Muslims and Jews. Several Palestinians injured in the clashes have been taken elsewhere in the Arab world for medical treatment. Egyptian celebrities, including movie star Youssra, visited some at Nasser hospital in Cairo.

ARAB TIGHTROPE
Overall, most Arab governments must walk the tightrope of allowing people to vent their outrage, while ensuring the protests do not become a threat to their own authority or turn into demonstrations against grievances closer to home. “The situation is disturbing in more than one sense. This is an historical event we are witnessing, and it will be a turning point for the region,” said Hussein Amin, a writer on Islamic affairs and former Egyptian ambassador to Algeria. “This may well prove to be the beginning of an uprising in this country [Egypt] and elsewhere in the region,” he said.

Egypt has played in a role mediating an end to the violence, holding regular consultations with American, Israeli and Palestinian officials. But the scale of the bloodshed has frayed relations with Israel, especially after Prime Minister Ehud Barak decided against attending a summit with Arafat and U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh last week.

President Hosni Mubarak was angered by Barak’s snub. “With this attitude, it is not possible for the peace process to go forward,” he said. “I am not going to force anyone to come. He who does not want peace, won’t come.”

Mubarak said he was enraged when he saw television images of a 12-year-old Palestinian boy being fatally shot by Israeli troops in Gaza as he and his father, who was seriously wounded, tried to hide behind a barrel when caught in cross-fire. Israel acknowledged that its troops shot the two.

In a move to form some kind of a consensus, Egypt has called an Arab summit for Oct. 21-22 to discuss the turmoil, and at least 10 Arab nations, including Iraq and Kuwait, plan to attend, Egyptian officials said over the weekend.

Attempts to hold a summit in recent years had been hampered by controversy over whether to invite the Iraqi president, whose troops invaded Kuwait in 1990.

The last Arab summit was held in Cairo in 1996 to discuss the future of the Arab-Israeli peace talks, but Iraq was not invited.

In the meantime, many Arab states have rushed money and medical supplies to the Palestinian territories.


See photojournalist Judah Passow's picture story on the struggle that changed the world.
But political analysts say the official reaction has been far milder than the reaction in the streets.

“The real pulse of the Arab street was highlighted in the past few days in the form of protests, chants and writings. They showed the yawning gap between governments and the people,” commentator Habib Youssef el-Sayegh wrote in the United Arab Emirates’ leading Arabic-language newspaper, al-Khaleej.

EXPLOITING THE CRISIS
Western diplomatic sources say that while most Arab governments sympathize with the Palestinians and want to build pressure on Israel, many have mixed feelings about the protests.

They say political opposition movements are only too glad to exploit the gap between popular outrage and the official response, depicting governments as soft on Israel or unable to guarantee calm in the streets.

Clashes in the Mideast
Some Middle East watchers also suspect radical opposition groups are driving the more violent protests.

Conflict is most visible in Jordan, where the government has been forced to deploy riot police and use force to control its own majority Palestinian population, feeding perceptions that it cares more about protecting its relationship with Israel than about supporting the Palestinians.

In an apparent protest against the violence, Jordan delayed the departure of its new ambassador to Israel. Government officials said Abdul-Illah al-Kurdi would remain in Jordan until “conditions are ripe” for him to assume duties at the Jordanian Embassy in Tel Aviv.

In Morocco, which also enjoys good relations with Israel, Islamist-led demonstrations against the Jewish state could also be a delicate situation for young King Mohammed. So far, the government has sought to lead and control the protests itself.

Hazem Saghiyeh, political commentator of Al-Hayat, said other frustrations in Arab states over the lack of democracy and economic problems were finding indirect expression in the protests, further complicating the issue.

CHASM BETWEEN LEADERS
Despite the usual rhetoric about seeking a common Arab stance, the outrage over the bloodshed has revealed the chasm between Arab leaders over how to respond to the crisis.

While states such as Egypt and Syria pushed for the Arab summit, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has derided such a meeting as “useless.”

When Yemen’s leader, Ali Abdallah Saleh, said he wished his country had a common border with the West Bank or the Gaza Strip so that it could help Palestinians fight Israel, Mubarak ridiculed his comments, challenging him to bring his army and fight Israel if he wanted.

Mubarak, whose country fought several wars against Israel and was the first Arab state to clinch a peace treaty with the Jewish state, said Saleh’s remarks were for local consumption, adding: “We must be serious and logical in our remarks.” Kadry Said, head of military studies at the Al-Ahram Center for Strategic Studies, said Mubarak’s comments had managed to tame the rhetoric for now, but that they highlighted the sensitivity of the situation.“Mubarak’s remarks were very risky, because some people argued that they would trigger more demonstrations, including some against him and his government. ... But I think his comments may have put a stop to moves in the wrong direction,” he said.

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:20 am
The imposter is back!!! The last MAD MAC entry was not me.

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:30 am
Now, anonymous, you can be angry all you want. But anger neither wins nor settles conflict. Wars are not won by anger. Conflicts are not settled by anger. Warriors who can think and calculate and control their enotions are the most effective. Look at how this conflict continues to get everyone fired up. The solution I just presented, which comes from the Qur'an and is verified by history, is the only solution that will help Palestine to achieve its goals. Think people, think. Asad, what do you say? Am I right here or not?

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asad

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 11:35 am
(Here's a solution for you, and I found it in the Qur'an. Surah 13:22 Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; Establish regular prayers; spend out of the gifts we have bestowed For their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off Evil with good: For such there is the final attainment of the Eternal Home.)---"The solution I just presented, which comes from the Qur'an and is verified by history, is the only solution that will help Palestine to achieve its goals. Think people, think. Asad, what do you say? Am I right here or not?"

the solution in the Qur'an is correct, but only the men of understanding are admonished, says the verse before the verse you cited. it says. "Shall he then who knows that what has been sent down upon thee (o muhammad) is the truth belike him who is blind (to spiritual verities)? Only the men of understanding are admonished--those who fulfil the covenent of Allah (to obey Allah and His opostles implicitly), and do not violote the bond; and those who enjoin what Allah has commanded to be enjoined (those who do their duty by Allah and man regularly) and fear their Lord, and dread the evil-reckoning (dread going near infidelity); and those preserve (in their faith in the face of trails and tribulations) seeking the pleasure of their Lord and establish prayer and spend (in Allah's cause) privately and publicly, out of what We have provided them, and combat evil with good. These: for them is the happy end in the Abode: Garderns Everlasting; they shall enter them, and also whosover would have acted righteously from among their fathers and spouses and progeny. And agnels shall enter unto them from every portal, saying: peace be upon you for you patiently presevered (in your faith). Excellent then is the happy end in the Abode! And those who violate the covenant of Allah (to obey Him and His apostles implicitly) after its ratification (by themselves--this may refer to the religious instinct innate in every human being) and sunder what Allah has commenced to be conjoined (by this are meant the duties and obligations imposed by Allah towards Himself and towards one's parents, family, neighbours, community, country, and fellow-creatures in general) and act corruptly in the earth--upon them is a curse (in this world), and for them shall be the evil Abode."

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formerguest.

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:18 pm
Christian usurpers sneak in and out trying to throw cheap shots at somalis and islam in general huh?. Instead of expressing your insecurities which proves your frustration over your beliefs and how they made you feel outcast, why not take BIBLE READING SESSIONS FROM ME instead?. It sure will do you some benefit guys. Don't stand aside only to feel prey. I am sorry if we reduced your egos of spreading the word to this.

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formerguest.

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:28 pm
MAD.

If you don't want to be accountable for what someone writes under your name or some other somali disbeliever, do something about it. I have this suggestion for you; Send an e-mail to the webmaster, tell him this is your username and have a password for it. That is if you are not playing seek and hide games with us. We can handle both MADS and other shy guests WHO CAN'T USE THEIR TRUE PERSON INSTEAD. I know a way to make them feel at home and welcome.

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BG.

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:35 pm
I agree. if you are confident polytheists use your usernames instread of the mad freak one.

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:47 pm
Yeah, use your own names and espouse your own thoughts. Stop using my name to espouse crap I don't believe. Formerguest, I'll give it a shot. Thanks.

BTW what did you think of my solution?

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formerguest.

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:51 am
It is no solution. The ultimate solution resides with ALLAH. We plan Allah plans. Let us see and wait. BTW, things are getting pretty much bloody out there with 17 sailors got killed and 20*40 hole made in the hull of the uss cole. Very impressive huh?. I see all washington freaks standing on their toes after they were thrown off guard by the blast. I am afraid though, they will blame powerless and not important countries to America. Because America is afraid to put the blame on anybody else. Blame it on bin laden then attack Sudan and Afghanistan is the plan I figure. Make those countries an example of how America punishes huh?. You guys make me sick.

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MAD MAC

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:03 am
Formerguest
Well, who do you think was responsible? You make it sound like King Fahd planned it, or the Yemeni President planned it. This was a well planned op, not a spontaneous one. I for one, say the Americans should but the Eyl peninsula. We could build and secure an American run port there. For the right price, Abdullahi Yusuf will sell. What do you think?? On a serious note, if you were part of the American foreign policy team, what course of action would you advocate in dealing with the Cole attack. We're going to respond - that's the rules of the game. You kill 10 of ours, we'll kill 1,000 of yours. As soon as we identify who the "yours" are, they're going to pay. You got a better idea? Please don't say change policy, we would never change policy in reaction to an act of violence anyway, that would encourage more violence. But if you think that Iran is responsible I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun to bomb them for a change.

Allah isn't going to do squat about the situation in Palestine because he doesn't care. Almost all of those people are self-absorbed dickheads who use religion for their own advantage. The masses who act like animals are suckers. If God cared he would have intervened a long time ago.

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Nuur

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:30 am
Every where I go across Somalinet.com, Mad Mac(or Mad Caw, as some people know him) is spilling unbelievable dirt all over, and everybody else is against it. Mac Nac, u must get paid to do this because this is, surely, a full-time job for u. And Another thing; after u see nobody( not even a single one) is agreeing with ur dirt, does't it occur to you, that people are not buying ur ••••. Advice: do not waste ur time and if you get paid to do this, don't waste their money because, surely, u r not doing good job for them.
Nour

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SOMALI-Islam

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:03 am
The palestinians deserve whatever that was/is coming to them.These weak arab people who cannot fight with the great and mighty Israel.Israeli's are peacefull people who only want a land that was originally theirs,the mosque in jerusalem should be destroyed and replaced with a synagogue,because it is built on a temple site that is holy to jews and who can possibly stop the blessed chosen people of Allah i.e The jewish race, If they chose to destroy all the mosques in Israel and push the dirty arab bastards to the phucking sea.We as somali people must support and align ourselves with the peace loving and forward thinking isralites,who are constantly being harrased by these Moronic,Idiotic arabs and arab-wannabes such as yourselves.This has got nothing to do with religion but everything to do with justice and what is morally right.
assalaam aleikum,wa rahmatullah,wa-barakatu.Long live the house of Judah!!!!

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MAD MAC

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:22 am
Nuur
Actually a number of people agree with me. But even if they didn't, I still have the right to express my opinion. That's what freedom is all about.

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Side-Watcher

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 03:06 pm
HITLER!! HITLER!!! HITLER!!!

Where are U?

Hmm!,
Let's so see that you can sleep tonight ya yahoody!

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MAD MAC

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:37 pm
Formerguest
Sahib, you never responded to this one. What do you think our reaction should be. If it were you, and this were a Somali ship and Somalia was a state with armed forces, how would you recommend Somalia respond?

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asad

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 06:38 am
mad mac, if i may respond to your question (the scenario if this was a somali ship and somalia was a state like america who supports terrorist states like that of israel against innocent palestinian people).

i would tell the somali government to stop sponsoring and supporting the state terrorists in israel. if the somalia government responds (like the america government is responding) then they would wrong. terrorism is terrorism.

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MAD MAC

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 07:22 am
Asad
Now you did notice that I said do not suggest changing policy didn't you????? First of all it would currently be politically untenable to not support the State of Israel for any political leader in the US. The American people support a Jewish State in principal. They will not allow that State to disappear, anymore than the Palestinian people would supoprt Arafat conceding on East Jerusalum.

Secondly, if you cave in or fail to resond to terrorism once, it will come again. Because everyone who doesn't agree with your state polcies (and if you're a country as large and spread out as the US, there will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees with some aspect of your state policy) will turn to terrorism if they think it will work. You ever see that movie the untouchables with Sean connery and Kevin Costner? There's a scene in it where Connery says "they put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue." Well, that's basically the way you have to deal with terrorism, or it will proliferate. Even if your cause is unjust, as you accuse the American cause of being, that's irrelevant. Just reading the article that you posted, it's obvious no matter what America does there will always be resentment and scape goating, the loonies who support and conduct terrorist acts will always look at America as evil because it is a superpower with a secular government. Thus, wherever these loonies are found (those who resort to violence to counter American interests) our best policiy is simply to find them and kill them. We can most assuredly kill more of them than they of us.

I am reminded of that cartoon that appeared in the Boston Globe which showed a picture of Khomeini right after he died, hanging from a giant trident and staring in the face of a giant devil saying "wait a minute, this isn't paradise." And the Satan responds saying "No, and I'm not an American."

Incidentaly, terrorism is not terrorism. There are different types. There are terror campaigns (that which you accuse the Israelis of leading against the Palestinians would fit into this category), there is State sponsored terrorism (Hizbollah would fit this category) and there are independent terrorist organizations (UBL meets this criteria). Sometimes you get bleed over from one form to another. But they are not equal, either morally or legally.

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asad

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 08:45 am
"First of all it would currently be politically untenable to not support the State of Israel for any political leader in the US. The American people support a Jewish State in principal. They will not allow that State to disappear, anymore than the Palestinian people would supoprt Arafat conceding on East Jerusalum."

the terrorist state which the US supports in whatever form is terrorism itself. again, terrorism is terrorism.

"Secondly, if you cave in or fail to resond to terrorism once, it will come again."

first, the innocent palestinian people did not start terrorism; the terrorists came to palestinian homes and the US is supporting and helping the state of isreal which terrorizing the palestinian people.

"Incidentaly, terrorism is not terrorism. There are different types. There are terror campaigns (that which you accuse the Israelis of leading against the Palestinians would fit into this category), there is State sponsored terrorism (Hizbollah would fit this category) and there are independent terrorist organizations (UBL meets this criteria). Sometimes you get bleed over from one form to another. But they are not equal, either morally or legally."

yes, they are not equal, but for me, what the jewish people are doing to innocent palestinian people is no different than the terrorism hilter did to the jewish people. yes, terrorism is surely a relative thing, right, mad mac? ;-)

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MAD MAC

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 10:01 am
Asad
You say that for you, the terrorism (state sponsored terror campaign - please, let's be precise) the Israelis visit upon the Palestinians is the same as that which Hitler visited upon them. I beg to differ. Israel is most assuredly not conducting genocide against the Palestinians. If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because all of the Palestinians would already be dead. In less than four years time (from the Wansee Conference until the end of WW II) Hitler killed over 80% of European Jewery. that is, out of approximatley 7 million Eurpoean Jews the RSHA and Einsatzgruppen killed approximately 6 million. This was a deliberate and systematic extermination. What the Israelis have practiced is much more similar to South Africas Apartheid enforced by the Boers (Funny side note but the Boers and the Zulus are now politically united against the ANC - what a difference a few years can make). You push the Nazi comparison way too far - and you are, frankly, historically inaccurrate in your comparison.

Now, back to the original question. ASSUMING that the US is not going to change its policy towards Israel (and for domestic political reasons, this is a safe assumption) if you were in the NCA how would you recommend the US respond to terror attacks. Frankly, I see no alternative but in finding those responsible and killing them. If they are habitating in a country with friendly US ties then they can be brought to trial. If not, they get the cruise missile treatment until they get the message. We lose 15 guys, we up the anty and make sure we kill 150 of theirs. Hit a few economic targets - make it hurt. Follow that up with a diplomatic message, do it again and more to follow.

Like I said, even if Israel and palestine to sign a peace agreement and the crisis were to abate, the loonies would find another reason to dislike America. The reasons would not have to be valid. It would be as simple as this. America is a superpower. America is a secular state. America exports "dangerous" ideas. We can't win for losing. So we'll continue to tow the hard line on terrorism and hurt them every time they cross the line. Look out, because someone is going to pay for the Cole, I guarentee it.

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asad

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 11:13 am
"Israel is most assuredly not conducting genocide against the Palestinians. If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now because all of the Palestinians would already be dead."

if hitler conducted genocide, there would not be jewish people terrorizing palestinian people in palestine.

"ASSUMING that the US is not going to change its policy towards Israel (and for domestic political reasons, this is a safe assumption) if you were in the NCA how would you recommend the US respond to terror attacks."

i told you that there is no other way, but to stop supporting terrorists in israel. terrorism is terrorism and it will continue.

"Like I said, even if Israel and palestine to sign a peace agreement and the crisis were to abate, the loonies would find another reason to dislike America."

and american loonies would love muslims, right? ;-). i do not think so.

"The reasons would not have to be valid. It would be as simple as this. America is a superpower. America is a secular state."

if that is the case, then american hate muslims because of islam, right? the reason has to be because the muslims want islam, right? ;-)

"We can't win for losing."

you can not always keep people down, can you?

"So we'll continue to tow the hard line on terrorism and hurt them every time they cross the line. Look out, because someone is going to pay for the Cole, I guarentee it."

again, as i told you what you are doing is terrorism and when you call what hurts you terrorism, then the circle will go on. terrorism is terrorism. as they say, no justice, no peace. mean time, as scary as it may seem to the enemy of islam, muslims will continue grow and islam is spreading like a fire (like it or not). ;-)

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MAD MAC

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 08:56 pm
Are you saying Hitler wasn't conducting genocide. YOU REALLY NEED TO OPEN YOUR HISTROY BOOKS. He just finish, that's all. But he got close.

You are incorrect in your assessment of Islam vis-avis America. The US has maintained congenial relations with lots of different types of states whos governments we do not approve of. Example: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco. We are prepared to extend a friednly hand the the Iranians if they would stop sponsoring Hizbollah (which will always attack US interests regardless of our relationship with Israel). In short, we would be happy to maintain positive relations with any state that does not attack the US. Even if we disagreed on Israel we would maintain positive relations with those States (Countries are bound to disagree on things).

Islam is not spreading like fire. It is marginally the fastest growing religion, but marginally is the operative word here. Relative to population growth it is slightly ahead of that. Religions wax and wane. Islam has its merits, but don't expect it to suddenly be the dominant force of the 21st century. In fact, Christiainity is still the worlds largest religion. Actually, secular democracy will be the fastest growing thing, although this is not a religion.

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asad

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:10 am
"Are you saying Hitler wasn't conducting genocide. YOU REALLY NEED TO OPEN YOUR HISTROY BOOKS. He just finish, that's all. But he got close"

what i'm saying is that if hitler conducted whole sale genocide, there would not be jewish people terrorizing palestinian people in palestine. the palestinian children would not suffer.

"We are prepared to extend a friednly hand the the Iranians if they would stop sponsoring Hizbollah (which will always attack US interests regardless of our relationship with Israel)."

the indivitual muslims (not so-called muslim governments) would have no problem with american government if they would stop sponsoring israeli terrorists killing innocent muslim kids in palestine. again, the aggressors are the ones coming to muslim homes and occupying, killing and oppressing the muslims. those who help the oppressors are looked at the enemy. as long as the americans are helping terrorists, they are the enemy.

as for Islam spreading and muslims growing faster than any religion, it is a fact. i'm not saying muslims will be the dominant force of the 21st centruy, but they will be force to be raking with. christianity and secularism will not continue to be dominant force. since no one can stop the spreading of islam, it is inevitable that there will be muslims practicing the religion as the early muslims did who will set things straight with the help of Allah. this is the biggest fear that the enemy of islam have which they work so hard to stop.

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