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ARE WE ARAB OR AFRICAN?

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): RA'YIGA DADWEYNAHA - Your Opinion: Somalia: Archive (Before Nov. 8, 2000): ARE WE ARAB OR AFRICAN?
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QOSLAAYE

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 07:11 am
Dear Reader: are we really arabl or African? Somalia is located in Africa(not in middle-east) we share pain with africans(not with arabs), We share religion with both africans and midlle-easterns. However, if you ask any confused so called sheekh, about the somali membership, without hesitation, he/she will respond "arabS" , but remember when somalia first wanted recongnition for self-govern who do you think came to our aid? Arabs, no way hell. The first country that gave recognition to somalia was ISRAEL, and not smelly arabS. Nevertheless, the so called, "Al-Itixaad" would have you to believe that somalia should share the pain that plastine is going through, keep in mind this itixaad subjects care less about somali people than their existance. Furthermore, they believe allienation of somali people for the sake of their status. In addtion, Egypt was the one whose aim was to make sure that somalia don't get indepence, for reasons unknown to us, yet they(arabs) would like every person whose religion is muslim to feel sorry for the "suffering" of arab people. I will challenge every sheekh not to use Religion for their political purposes. Muslim is a religion and not a race or nationality. Moreover, somalia has itself to blame for taking sides publically about the mid-eastern politics. where were the arabs when Cairo was orcastrating the validity of the somalia as a whole. Bother and sister, read your history and be proud of your existance, because we don't need to rely-on any one despite their wealth.


Keep somalia alive.

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Qahtaan bin Yashjub

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 08:23 am
First thing is first, you should educate yourself in mastering english language since your spelling is appauling and disgusting and horrible. Please also keep in mind that we are all muslims and as a result that we are arabs every is muslim is arab as our beloved prophet was arab and bear in mind that Israelis are our enemies as allah telles us int the Noble Quran so please stop your narrow minded points by provocating the inteligent Somalian Arabs

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Sahal

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 03:22 am
You guys are way too emotional, both of you. Let's be realistic. This topic is as simple as A, B, C. Qoslaaye you're mixing Apples with Oranges and Qahtaan you're not being realistic. Just one question for you since you said all muslims are Arabs: Who are the Ajabs which is mentioned in the Quran? This is how it is: Somalis are not Arabs they're Ajabs and Alhamdu-lilaahi we're muslims. Therefore all muslims are brothers and Sisters and that's why we share our pain with our brothers and sister of flastine. Prophet(s.a.w) said muslims are one body if part of that body got sick or in pain the whole body is in pain as well. And that's how it should be. It's irrelevent that the leaders of Arabs didn't recognise the independency of our nation. That's something that they will have answer the day of Judgement.

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Darood

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:22 am
MR Qoslaaye! Su'aashada ah
(are we really arabl or African? jawaabteeda waa sahal oo waxey ku jirantahay Qabilka qofka dhasho haddii aad tahay Darood ama Isaaq waxaad tahay Arab lakiin haddii aad tahay Hawiye, Mirifleh iwm waxaad tahay African .. 'Arrintana waxaan ku xaqiijin karaa darasaad la sameeyay marka ..

""DAROOD AND ISAAQ IS ARABS THE REST OF SOMALIANS ARE AJAM OR CAJAM ""

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Mandela

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 08:39 pm
Due to our ignorance, we believe Arabs as brothers and sisters but the reality is that they are our number one enemy. take a look some of these reasons:
1. We had been moslimized by the Arabs.
2. We had adopted the qabiil based culture because we had been taught by the Quran that qabiil is ok in the Islam.
3. We had been forced to love their stupid Arabic language and hate ours (Somali).
4. We had never had any value if we did not like the lousy Arabs.
5. We hate our ancient ancestors of the black man because of Arab influence.
6. we should not have this anarchy now in somalia if we had not been arabized.
Hell to Arabs, Arabic, and their stupid culture and religion.

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Hawiye

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:18 am
I agree whith you Mr darooot
As a Hawiye we are an African
As a Darooot you are lousy Arab and I will kick your ass for ever

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Majeerteen

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 02:27 am
To Hawiye.

Waxaan layaabaa markasto aan arko nin hawiye ah oo netka wax kusoo qora wuxuu jiraahdaa Daarod I'll kick you Ass marka wax is weydiin maxumee Hawiye to all Hawiye I'll give you my address and try to kick my ass booto ayaad meel walba lataagantihiin laakiin reality waad taqaan who kick your ass world wide so please stop saying that ••••.

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dilaaye

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 03:57 am
hawiye
anagu waxaan nahey afrikaan oo waan naqaanaa meesha aan ka soo jeedno lakiin daaroodka laftigoodu waa yaqaaniin meesha ay ka soo jeedaan oo jeberdi ismaaciil oo ah ragga ariga ka qala carabaha ee ah dadka la yaso markaa dadku waa wada noolyihiin hadda,markaa yaan waxba leysku af dhaafin meesha la yimid ee laga soo jeedo.
saaxiib daard waxba hay xumaan waxaan sheegey meesha aad ka soo jeedaan oo ah inaadnaan carab iyo afrikaan midna aadan aheyn laakiin aad tihiin reer jeberdi,ariqalayaal.
by:dilaaye

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Sahal

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:08 pm
Mandela speak for yourself. Gaalyahow beer-ka bartay. We're all Moslems except you. We hate kufars more than anything and we hate you too •••••••.

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Bilan

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:14 pm
Mandela I agree most of you said.

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Sahal

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:25 pm
Bilan what you saying? Are you Kaafira too?

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Hawiye

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 12:51 am
To Dilaaye
waxaan u maleynaa waxa aad sheegtay iney run tahay waayo nin meel laga yaso hadduu meel kale tago cuqtuu qabaahe horuu wax ka yasaa iyagoo dal eysan laheen joogaan ayey markasta faanaayaan oy na yasayaan ar duulka waa jiran yihaan, dilaaye walaalow saad ku ogaatay

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REAL MOSLIM

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 04:19 am
mandela , bilan


U FIIRSADA KUWA DIINTA KA BAXA WAA KHANIIS
AMA DHILLO NIN GAAL AH U HOYATA, WAAYO DIIN
QANIISNIMO AMA DHILLO NIMO OGOL MA JIRTO

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QOSLAAYE

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 05:38 am
To all of you. My intention was not to be turned into tribal hatred. My main purpose was so that we can constructive dialog without destructing each other. Please get back to the point, or make no comment on this article.
DISAGREEING IS BETTER THAN HAVING NO ARGUMENT AT ALL.


Thank you

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killer-army

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 08:13 am
Arabs and their worthless so-called religion are out-dated and out-moded forms of ancient stupidity.We somalis are black first and whatever religious persuasion second.Uncle tom or should I say abid-mohamed motherfuckers like you morally-deranged and mentally challenged individuals do not deserve to breath,your lousy mothers should have had an abortion or better yet a miscarriage.How can someone so dark-skinned and speaking a different language can wish to be identified with arabs is beyond comprehension.Inferiority complexes leads to an inferior mind.Respond if you must,you worthless sons of whores.1ny
SOMALI FIRST!!!!!

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Sahal

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:40 am
Killer Army:
You'll insha-Allahu killed by Moslem Army. Let me tell you, you low life person who sold his religion for a welfare cheque. For your information Islam isnot an out-dated religion. Islam is as you know is the fastest growing religion. One out of five person in the World is a Moslem; and the number is still growing maashaa Allaahu. Somalis might have a dark complexion or might have decended from Africans but you'll be happy to know that they're moslems and they have faith of their creator. They hate kufur more than anything. They're almost 100% moslems and they wouldn't trade their faith for anything even when they were starving. Unlike you they don't worship money and they're not materialistics. So pls next time you write something speak for you and you alone yaa kaafir. P.S: Qayladu orgiga maahan ee waad nagu khaldaysaa. Carab hadaad nacday maxaa islaamka ka keenay. Islaam is a faith and a believe not a nationality. All ppl could be kufars; that's not going to change my believes.

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Murqo-Guduud

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 09:38 am
Real-killer and Mandele I agree with you 100% all this Wankers are brain dead.

Sahal or Easy have you been to the arab-world, To tell you truth we have nothing in common at all we are Africans and very broud. Go and let them F--ck you with-out Veseline, Isn't that what you want? Tell me Ab iyo Isir ma u leenahay Rag is Wassa?!!

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Muslim

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 10:26 am
To Mandela:
Ma waxaad ka mid tahay makhaaniida galadu dabada ka wastay ay soo dirteen. Noo daa diintayada sharafta leh iyo netkayaga dhakhyahay shahwada gaaladu ka buuxdaa.

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Moslim

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 10:29 am
To Bilan:

Ma lesbian baa tahay waadigan diinta Ilaahay necebe.

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Anonymous

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 12:50 pm
Brothers, brothers, oh how sad to see one person
put down another for his race or religion and quoting the holy book as saying we should hate Jews & this one is smelly etc. etc. We can all find reasons to hate in our histories and even today where injustice abounds but that is a dead end attitude and definitely not the way forward. When one points a finger at another - three fingers point back at oneself.Look at the one who points out anothers spelling mistakes! He has quite a few of his own. Ha ha friends let us laugh at ourselves. It may surprise you to know I am a white english person whose somalian friend is letting me use his computer. Science tells us we are all Africans. DNA proves it and I for one welcome that news as it can only kill racist attitudes. Good people everywhere do not care if we are not all from Africa - so what - does that mean we should hate each other? God forbid.

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really-arab

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 02:02 pm
to killer-army,
you are american slave therefore I don't discuss with slaves, cause I'm from the powerful, proudful, Arab originated and well known tribe "Daarod"

to Qoslaaye, you are isaaqa and isaaqa are always related with kufriga, cause they believe daarod is gonna destroy them one day, therefore no ward to you ass sellers.

to the rest of you,
Somalis are all muslim and we all proudful of that, in somalia there is no place for kufris and jewish, we are are arab and no one can change us.
we are not related to these black slaves who cannot even think, those who eat the monkeys, these low-minded, let me make this clear and ask you these questions.
Does anyone of you wanna have kenyan brother-in-law?
Does anyone of you wanna have south-sudenees woman?
I don't think so. Hence we all know the reality.
People ask me if I'm from middle east because of my skin and hair when I tell them that I'm from africa they always ask me okey north africa then I tell them no from soomaaliya, that proves who we exactly are.

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sleeping-lion

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 02:54 pm
REALLY-ARAB,
LOLOLOLOLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRUTH, MY BOY!LOL!!!!
WE ARE ARABIANS,lol-----lol----lol, LET US KICK JEWISH OUT OF PALESTINE, AND TAKE ETHIOPIANS BACK TO ISRAEL.

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Sahal

Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 06:38 pm
To:Futo Gaduud

Brother yes, we have something in common. And that's one of the most essential thing, Islam! And no! I haven't been to the Arab world yet. Since you been there; you some how described to me what you have been through. By the way Sahal means easy-going not easy. Xawaaraad ku socotaaye take it easy and be easy-going = Sahal

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sister Gifted

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 04:36 am
Will the stench of ignorance not leave... will idiots have to bring it by boat and plane and now via the net to us poor Somalis that still see a beauty in whats left of Somalia - namely YOU HAWIYE. – your mindset is a disease and so too are you. Was it being called an African that offended you?..

I believe it's this same reason that made you mad was the purpose of having this discussion.. To discuss and possibly learn, I doubt it was an open session for schoolgirl bickering. So get rid of the school uniform and relax, else go chew some leaves and leave this to us.

GETTING BACK, I have heard that we have a number of bloodlines. From African, Arab, Persian, Indian to Portuguese - The story is that we where a main route for trade. Can anyone expand on this? Does this answer why we have a number of different “looks” in Somalis?..

Sister Gifted.

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Mandela

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 08:33 pm
Most of our somalis are ignorants and simple proof is the way you are trying to make an argument on the above messages.
The question , I do not who brought it in the first place, was "ARE WE AFRICANS OR ARABS". We are not talking about somali tribes, we are talking our ancient background.
Moslem = Arab.
Somalis =Africans.
Geographically we are Africans,color we are Africans, historically we African. Africans do not necessarily look alike nor they share culture,tradition, history,and past but definitely we lived this damn continent for thousands of years. We are Arabised,Islamised as you might like it, but please do not deny your ancient history.
All Arabs do not like us whether we preach tradition (Islam) or not. one example:
I know one modern and highly educated Arab in my neighborhood and can you imagine what he told me!
HE FEELS EMBARRASSED WHEN HE SEES A BLACK SOMALI WOMEN WEARING THEIR TRADITIONAL HIJAB AND HOW IT IS DISGUSTING TO HIM. HE WONDERS IF THE SOMALIS HAVE THEIR TRADITIONAL STUFF OTHER THAN WHAT THEY COPIED FROM "US" -ARABS.
Guy get a life and know your history.

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LEADERS

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 08:53 pm
mandera,
you are isaaq, isaaqs have no trace so you have a reason to believe that you are africans, but in this topic forget about somalia, let us prove it daaroods are absolutly arabs and we are from midle east, that is just who we are. we don't care where isaaqs or hawiyes came from, that is up to them to bring up, they cannot talk for us "daarood". let everyone tell where they are from.

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Sister Gifted

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 09:34 pm
MANDELA: ppshhhhhhhhhh! whatever u lil FARAH!

I truly thought I'd come away with learning something from this discussion. It's not suprising that our country is so messed up given that a simple discussion can't be conducted and the subject matter focused on!

You're all from ASSVILLE!- forget Arab n African!

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Qanciye

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 09:54 pm
Layaab!

Waxaan ka yaabaa marka laga hadlo sheeko waxay Somalidu ugu baydho qabiil. Aan iraahdee layskuma hayo inaynu nahay muslim,Somali iyo weliba African.
Laakiin, way dhacdaa inaad meel kastaba ku noolaatid, wax ka baratid. Mase dhacdo inaad adigoo sheeganaya ARab aad guursatid gabar carbeed. Waayo? waxay kuu arkaan nin madow oo ka hoseeya.
Markaas diinta ilaahay ayaa leh, lagamana xigo cidnaba in this real world, including chinese ppl.
Laakiin, carabi wax sharafa kuuma hayso, kumana ogola. Yaan lagu riyoon lagana kuwaan nahay.

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al-khartuum

Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 11:18 pm
Mandela :( :O

Your last comment on hijab was absolutely disgusting and there is no doubt that it's a lie.
If the person you are refering to is a muslim he wouldn't say that coz he would know the place of hijab in islam.

By the way, are you really a muslim? what did you say about islam=arab and somali=african?!!!! say istaqfirullah before you die today or tommorow.

Next time you post let us be your witnesses in the day of judgement and ask forgiveness from allah.

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QOSLAAYE

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 06:20 am
I am truly suprised by the extent of this topic has gone. Remember, it was me who raise this issue and like it or not, somalia is an african originator. However, without getting a pissing contest with some ignorant folks, i can only say this as a proud muslim and somali citizen, I detest all the arabs, not because of their race, but because of their politicising the muslim religion. Furthermore, if they(arabs) want keep impartiality of being arab, they should have stand up for IRAQ people without encouraging the iraqi dictator. For those of you still have arabised mentality, i have one thing to say to you, "CABID, CABID" Remember that one word. In adition, i am not going to fall for this arab mentality that says, ISRAEL is our enemy. Israel is strugling nation that is trying to survive in a sea of arab folks. I Can honesty say that I am not Israel sympethizer, but if it comes to trust, I will pick Israel any day. Israel was the first country to recognized Somalia,whether it was a hidden agenda or otherwise, but Egypt was the arab head that was trying to keep somalia in the dark. In conclution, i have one thing to say, "DOWN ARABS FOR THE SURVIVAL OF MUSLIM RELIGION." in collabration with arabs, all the muslim countries have been humuliated, isolated, sigled-out for their muslimness.


LONG LIVE SOMALIA, DOWN WITH DAANYEER CARAB IS MOODE.

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Sahal

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 09:00 am
Bismilaahi Rahmaani Rahiim. Qoslaaye why don't to you just shup up. Cuz i'm disgusted with your intellectuality. You're so emotional that it is not funny anymore. Get a grip with yourself. Just because Israel recognized the country of Somalia doesn't mean we're inseprapable. This is what i say to you: We're moslems first then African seccond. WE ARENOT, NOT Arabs priod. But let me ask you since you're a proud African: why you and your ppl deny the rights of Reer Shabeele ppl. Why did you call them Jareer or Adoon or etc. Why did you even refuse to share a dish with them. It seems to me that you've got what you desserved. (Cabid)You're much worst than Arabs. (Hashu intay geela cuntay cabaadaa) In the case of Israel read the Qur'aan and what your creator said about them then tell me if they're your friends and protectors or your reall enemy. And tell me if you know more than god. I respond to you cuz i don't even know if guys like mandela are moslems. But you are in my opinion a confused moslem. (if we all take our religion the way it is there will be no class or colour barrier)

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QOSLAAYE

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 12:12 pm
Sahal: You name says it all(easy). However, Isn't paradox that you are calling me emotional,and here you are bad mouthing me. In addition, you are talking to me as though you knew me all my life. Let me tell you something, I don't know you from Adam. Nevertheless, I will not insult you and lower my standard as you have been, but let me suggust you one think. The word somalia is synonymous with greatness and not because it is part of Arab organization. Therefore, wake up and smell the coffee, because you are one mis-guided Bro. I will speak freely, because un-like you i am not Prono.


This is for grown ups sahal, if you can't take the heat, vacate the kitchen.

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Ahmed Yasine

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 01:53 pm
Asalmu alaikum brothers and sisters,firstly I would like to thank Qoslaaye for bringing up this interesting topic which you can expect to recieve emotional replies.

To be quite honest in this moment in time there is no right or wrong answer.

I am a Research Scientist working in a UK University and have read many DNA publications about the origins of people and believe it not there is nothing published on our peoples. No one has studied us.

Historcally we have great ties with Arabia.

All Somali tribes claim an Arabic origin the Dir, Issaq, Darod, Hawiya, the Rahwayein, as well as the Ethiopians Oromos and Amhara as well as the Afar


We all know about the Egyptian expedition to the land of punt.

This proves that we were in the Horn of Africa 3 to 4 thousand years ago maybe more.

But at that time we were great traders in Spices in particular Frankincense and Myrrh.


We controlled the spice trading routes of Arabia.

Many European writers often attribute this trade to the Arabs.

The Greeks commented about 1 century AD that the berbers in Somalia burned the rafts that were sailing to Arabia to artificially increase the price of their spices.

This show that we were ancient traders.
The Greeks often wondered why we were not colonised by the Romans the same way that the Yemenis were. The simple answer is that we were too tough.


Also the famous Arabian tribes the Qara of Oman would not let any Arabian tribes to collect from their frankicense trees but would only let in their own words the "noble" Somalis. Why is that?

They obviously feel some kind of affinity to Somalis.

if you've seen pictures of the Mahra or Qara of Oman they look just like Somalis.

They have the best Arabic genologies (Qahtan or Joktan in the bible), so no one can say they are not true arabs.

You see many Somalis , including some of the writers on this page , wrongly think that the original Arabs were light skinned.

The tall light skinned Arabs of Saudi Arabia (Wahabis) are not the original population of Saudi Arabia, they were put there by Lawrence of Arabia after defeating the dark Hijaz Arabs.


We know that the Darod claim to originate from Omani Mahras. Although this cant numerically account for the existence a whole tribe , as only 7 brothers were supposed to have left Arabia, it shows that there is definetly a link there.


Arabia was first populated by hamitic looking people. This is well accepted by Arabic scholars.

These hamites looked like the Qara, Mahra, Tihima of Saudi Arabia, the people of Hijaz, Somalis and Ethiopians.

Even today the Mahra and Qara speak a South Arabian language not Arabic. Their languages are closer to the Semitic languages of Ethiopia like Geez, Tigriniya, Tigre and Amharic.

There are more Semitic languages in Ethiopia than in the Middle East.


The West try to say that the Arabs came to Ethiopia and gave them the language but to do that one would need a massive exodus of poulations from Arabia to Ethiopia.

My theory is that Somali looking peoples lived on both sides of the Red Sea.


Genetically its been proven that the closest people to the ancient Egyptian dynasties are the Somalis. I've got a paper on this.


Hence we could argue to be Arabs if we really wanted to. But do we want to?

The answer is No. We are proud of being Somalis.


Genetically though we are related to the Arabs.

We have the same blood disorders i.e
B Thalessemia, not the sickle cell blood disorder of other Africans.


We also have a lot Mitochondrial DNA fragments that are similer to so called "Caucasians".

One American research journal couln't explain this admixture as they dont know our history.

We also share the same language grouping as the Arabs ie Afro-Semitic.

It has ben proven that Somali has about 30% similarity to Arabic in terms of origin of words.

Somali being a hamitic language , like ancient egyptian, is older than the Semitic languages (Arabic, Aramaic etc)and therefore must have loaned it from proto Somali& proto Arabic i.e a common ancestor.

Somalis not only have Arabic connections but, as Sister- Gifted said earlier,Persian, Indian and Malaysian connections.

The Persian connections are probably due to the Shirazi's of Iran. The Malaysian connection is possible as Malaysian antiques have been found in Somalia. Some Somalis are also veddoid like Malaysians or Tamil Indians.


There you go I afraid we are the most complex people in Africa, so dont be annoyed if we dont know what we are as we have a great unknown history of migrations and trade that will oneday become unravelled.


I truly believe that we had an ancient writing similer to Himyaritic and Egyptian which is waiting to tellus our history.


BUT we cant just wait for Europeans and Americans to do it for us we must educate ourpeoplee and
discover for ourselves.,


We need Somali Anthropolgists, Somali Historians and Somali Antiquarians to find out for us.

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Anonymous

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 05:21 pm
TO Ahmed Yasin
illaahay baa mahad leh naga dhaliyay dad sida Ahmed oo kale illahay cilmi siiyay, waxay illa tahay in inta Somalida ahi ku qanceen qoraalkii Ahmed, intii awalba isku kaaya dhexdaraysay oo qiiqa isku qarinaysana I say to them who cares what they think.
Illaahay hakaa abaal siiyo.

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farxaan

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 08:28 pm
anonymouse,
do you believe writting down some english sentenses are knowledge?
no, you must be better than that gadamn narrow minded!!!.

to ahmed yasin.
you called yourself a research scienist working in uk university. okey, so you brought up this to support you childish and shamefull statement, nonesense!!!!. Notice that we are better than you thought, it is clear that you are poor minded and selfish one. To point out one of those many misleading sentenses you put down was that, Ahmara are arabis. get this damn cleaned. Amhara are proud of being oreginated from Jewish (yahuud).
other than Oromo, rest of Ethiopians have relations with jewish ancestors.
so, next time come up with some really stuff.

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Mandela

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 09:01 pm
ku: Ahmed Yasine

Ahmed waxaad sheegtay inaad aqoon u leedahay taariikhda meeshaan ka soo jeedno haddayno Soomaali nahay, Laakiin waxba ma ogid just book wax ku qoran ayaad soo coopidey.
Haddalka waxaa uu sharxaysaa sidaad Carabta u jeceshahay iyo taariikhda ay sheegtaan. Malaha carabta aad ku dhalatay ama ku kortey.
Soomaaliya dadka ku nool ee soomaali maaha Carab ee waa Soomaali weligeed deganayd dalkan. kumanyaal sano.Carabta jaar baan nahay oo waxa inoo dhexeeya Badda Cas. Diinta Islaamka iyo dhaqanka carabta ayaa xoog lagu soo geliyaa markaas ayay dhaqankii iyo hiddihii wanaagsanaa naga lumay.

Ahmed Soomaali waa African ee maha Carab.

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Sister Gifted

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 09:06 pm
THANK YOU AHMED YASINE...

THAT WAS INFORMATIVE AND WELL WRITTEN, PERHAPHS YOU COULD SHARE YOUR SOURCES OF INFORMATION, RECOMMEND ANY DECENT BOOKS TO READ UP ON.

SISTER GIFTED

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ali_ali

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 09:09 pm
Sister Gifted and Ahmed Yasine

I like your thoughts and methods of discussions. You seem to keep to the point whilst.. lets not comment on that. ..

PLS have a look at CAREERS>>NETWORKING 4 LIKE.. discussion.

Regards

Ali_ali

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Nura

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 09:18 pm
To: Qoslaaye,

Somali are African mixed with other races and that's how we got our current complexion. To tell you the truth most of ppl think I'm an Indian but I'm pure Somali ( NOT even related to any Reer Xamar), What's that telling you?

I know Arabs they never help Somali ppl, That's because their stupid politics, But they don't own the religion.

Why on the earth would you think Israel is our friend, Wake up.
That's explains that you don't know nothing about religion, Jews are mentioned in Quran as brother Sahal said and they're ppl with (Fitnah & Khiyana) they got their political reasons to support Somalia, To confuse ppl like you, So, You think that they're your friends not your enemies.


To: Mandela,Bilan,Murqo Cudud.

You're the most ignorant ppl I ever seen,
Cause you mixing religion with race issue, If you don't like Arabs that fine...But you don't have any rights to call our believes...STUPID.
What I'm sure about is that Mandela is not a Muslim person, He just using Arabs to show us how much he hate Islam and he making up stupid sorties That's not even make a sense what so ever.

I lived in Arab countries and never been like the way that Mandela mentioned. I would rather live Arab countries than this stupid Western culture that brainwashed Somali youth.
Be proud that we're Muslim first and Somali.

To: Ahmed,
I personally thank you, The facts that you present in this page,I hope you helped to those who got confused about our identity.

To: All Somali ppl,
We deserve what ever happen to us, We were not strong enough in the past/present, So, Are going to sit here arguing less important things or keep wondering what we're going to do for another 10 years.


Take care ppl.
Nura

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AXMED-SUAALE

Monday, November 06, 2000 - 11:48 pm
Somaliyeey Ninkaan Qoslaayo la baxay ama mendela waa isku hal qofe sidaad la sootaanba netka meelo badan ayuu wax kaga qoraa markaan fiiriyeyna dhaqan Islaam malaha
Marka ma Yuhuudbaa mise Kiristaan mise waa Diinlaawe idinkoo eegaya hab dhaqankiisa
Qoslaaye sxb adiga laftaa balnoo sheeg waxa aa tahay
1 Waa neceb tahay diinta islaamka iyo dadkeedaba dhaqan wanaagsan kaama muuqdo so, who are you my friend?
Hadaan u soolaabto su,aashaada ah ma carab baan nahay mise African anigu waxaan aaminsanahay in Somalidu tahay Muslim Africaan ah oo Carabtana dhaqan diineed iyo dhalashaba ka dhaxayso. Shaqsi ahaanteey waan ku faanaa inaan ahay Africaan Muslim ah laakiin Carabaan ahay kuma faano mana nebci waa walaahay carabtu kaliya waa dad aad u jilicsan oo liita khaasatan madaxdooda, Yuhuudana waa cadowgaanaga koobaad iyo kan diintaba, Ilaahaybaa Lacnad ku riday yuhuuda iyo wixii jecelba
Mida taageerada Yuhuuda ee somalida eed sheegatyana wakhtigii XORIYADA waxay arintu ahayd dadka haku daba rogine oo wareerinine 2 dal ayaa loo codeeynayey kee xornimada la horsiiyaa Somaliya iyo Liibiya UN-ta yuhuudna waxay u codeysay somaliya iyadoo arintu u tahay laba daran mid uun dooro ee ma ahayn wanaag iyo samaan ay noo samaysay'
AXMED-SUAALE

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Anonymous

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:50 am
WEll the Fact of the matter is the Prophet"Peace be upon him" Mohamed was not an arab. In fact he was the decessedant of Ismai'l which is called in arabic "Mu'arab".
The bottom line is we are arabs...wether we like it or not!

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MeandHer

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 03:53 am
To All of You Somalian ppl, specially those who are talking about tribes.

Don't you remember what we have gone through in our own mother land, have you forgotten all the pain we all gone through.

I still can't believe you lot are trying to kick each other's asses over the internet, get a life specially those who are calling them selvies Daarood and Hawiye.

Don't you think we need to forget all this tribalism staff.

We are neither Arab nor African we are Somalian and we are proud to be a muslim ppl who love our muslim brother/sisters whether they are Arab or African

We need to more civilized then we used to be and compete with the other world.

....Peace And Love To You All Somalian ppl......

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QOSLAAYE

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 05:20 am
To Ahmed-suaale: I really despise you. If you really have any knowledge of this great religion of our own, you wouldn't have called me non-muslim. I really don't want get into pissing contest with you. However, if you confidently comprehend english, you wouldn't assume otherwise. Furthermore, I know one thing for sure. Islam is not a religion to be poked on the eyes to prove a point. RASUUL(SCW) SAID, "MAN YAQUL MAA LAM YAQUL FAL-YATABA WA MAQCADUHU MINA NAAR." I will not say that i am a great sheikh, but i will tell you this, In the quran it teaches tollerance and harmony, but one groups like you including al-itixaad are running around the halls of theatres and shouting fire, they should expect whatever comes upon them(your kind). Nevertheless, i will not sunk so low as to call you names, yet i will tell you this. Drive your own direction rather being the passenger of Saudi Arabia. I can say this despite all this respectable respondent, each and every one of us has a right to voice their opinion. As to the part you stated that I and Mendela are a same person, i can speak for myself. I will not claim some one else. This shows your subconscious ability to have dual personality. Although, Mendela has a right to say whatever he desire, but I found his remarks to be tasteless and dis-honest point of view. In conclusion, I am extremely very happy, because my main purpose was to change the tribat hatred that is being shown in this honorable site.


At least i came up with something that raised every one's intellact.

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abdirazak....prodigy

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 07:04 am
yo •••• that we an't arabz hell no they hate us.. they don't like us..cause we black....if we weren't muslims they wouldn't like us.....think about we a somalian goes 2 there country who do they wlc him/her. they don't give •••• about us....


they wlc amercanz like they kingz or something///but somalianz they can care less about somalianz///but somalianz think arabz are

they bro/////we mite all muslims but other than that i don't like no arabz

and hell no i an't no arab and i will never be


and yo leave the tirble •••• in the past

1 peace

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Murqo-Guduud

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 08:08 am
This must be joke,Did you say DAAROOD was Arab, Listen Idiots if he was why the hell was He called DAAROOD?! You see he was proud African and Somali too unfortunatly idiots like you who have been brain washed to believe to what your not are spreading this Lies,Another question
Lets assume people called him Darrood by mistake what about his children or their children,children,children, I am Darood and belong to thier King and I am not Arab nor was ever he eve was . Stop this lies.

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Sahal

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 07:40 pm
To: Qoslaaye.
Laughter is for those who don't see what lies ahead of them. Prophet (saw) said "Had you know what i know....you'd cry alot and laugh a little" If you had any idea of what you're really saying you wouldn't be laughing you'd be crying. You claim you're a moslem yet you hate the moslems. You hasten to have a kinship with kufar without a proof whatsoever yet when is proven your origin scientifically you shut your heart and became dump, deaf and blind. And you wonder why ppl calling you what they have been callig you!! If you're a true moslem you would've defended your religion when GAALS like Mandela bad-mouthed this great religion. But no, you didn't. You're too quick to defend yourself but not this great religion. I've asked you some questions and i was glad to hear your response but you ducked them all out. Therefore i going to try one more time and ask you this a question: Is there any moslem scholar with in the past century that you respect or respected? And let me give some hints:
1-Boqolsoon 2-Salmaan Cawdi (saudi) 3-Shariif C/nuur 4-C/xamiid Kishk 5-Cumar faaruuq 6-C/rashid Sh. cali Suufi. This great scholars took this religion as far as they could. Pls don't tell me that you don't respect them or don't know them.

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Mandela

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 09:18 pm
To Sahal:
You raised this question"Is there any moslem scholar with in the past century that you respect or respected? And let me give some hints:
1-Boqolsoon 2-Salmaan Cawdi (saudi) 3-Shariif C/nuur 4-C/xamiid Kishk 5-Cumar faaruuq 6-C/rashid Sh. cali Suufi."
What is your point? is it anything to do with this discussion?!!!!!!

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dr-troubleboy

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:08 pm
qoslaaye
sxb maxaad tidhi({man yaqul maa lam yaqul fal yataba wa maqcadahu mina naar}i will say i'm a great sheikh......)you are nothing sxb maxaad ku hadashay?macnehheeda ma kaseena?waad iga qoslinaysaa walaahay.....aanbal macneeya waxaad ku hadashay(kii yidhaahda waxaan la odhan haka diyaarsado booskiisa naarta) lol..lol..
wax cusub aanbal diin ku saabsaneen ma laycadaabaana ileen xadiith-ka aad jeeb ka kala soo baxday saas uu dhahaayaaye.
yaanan kugu digan mr maangaab aan kuu saxo xadiith-ka isagoo isla markaas ah mid ku qabanaaya waa kan:(man axdatha min amrinaa maa laysa minhu fahuwa raddun..)macnuhuna yahay:(kii ka sheega amarkayaga(diinta) wax aan ku jirin isaga ayaa lagu ceshaa.)
su'aashaadii ahayd ,"are we african or arabs?"jawaabteedu waa,"we are africans and we are proud to be".

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trainfucker

Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 12:10 am
TO my all FOLKZ
I don´t know about relegion & BEEF,but AIN`T arab,so keep ya mouth shut.Ain´t got much 2 say my folkz

to QOSLAAye
don´t confuse ya bros & sisters,we´ll monkeyz if u know what I mean so keep it real yo

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