     OUTKUZT | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 08:38 am
Hello: To ALL DISFUNCT SOMALIAN.
First and foremost,I solute you all.
I been reading your lame, un-intellectual, dispeakable commentory that some of you ( if not all of you) posted here on this forums.
I want to be brief, and all I want to say is that you all had enough. you all failed but never want to admit, the history has proven that you are nothing but weak, incapable to survive or govern on your own without pan-handling to the international communities.
Somalia was beautiful,peaceful and prosperous before you Barbarian alien so called Darood, Hawiye or Isaaq came. Took over our little peaceful kingdom after you destroyed, massacred our innocent civilian, then inslaved what is left or those who survived your barbaric act, then called us MINGAAN ( meaning the outcast) since then, we baby-sit you, we took care all your needs, because you were not capable to survive on your own. since you had no knowledge of basic survival, we tried to teach you what we knew in order to survive, but your thick-headedness and ignorance limited your abilities to adopt a new concept of survival. Furthermore, we did not abondon you as we tolerated your discrimination and ignorance transgression for centuries.
We made your shoes,hoe for farming, knife, very basic thing that you need to survive. and still you can not produce one single needle of your own.
you have one of the most richest land on planet earth, the longest coastline in whole africa with abundance of natural resources and still you can not feed yourself, what a shame! you still take a pride to beg and proud of it! what a shame? As young outcast man it ashames me how absurd and discussing somali race is! I think it is time for you to stop non-sense and come to us for your rescue otherwise you will be on top of endangered species list( if not next to dinosour). We don't want any compensations from you or even apologies since we are forgiving and have quality leadership we need not to accept any of those above. All we want is you to acknowledge your failiar and lets take over you to clean that mess.
I am young midgan(outcast) man. if you want to comment kindly, use proper language without profane and also state your clan so that I can reply your comment in fasionable manner. |
| Xayraan | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 10:26 am
OO waaba yaabee midguhuna ma inay wax xukumaan ayeey rabaan? taasi waa yaabka yaabkiise waxaase amkaag ah inaadba sheeganaysid midgaan nimo |
| AmiSTadgirl | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:18 pm
Xayraan there are people like you who make me SICK. See I'm not suprised cuz ya just another brained washed person. Anyhows your not the First One nor be the LAST ONE. I hope u don't teach this to ur kids if you have any. Why can't a midgaan person not Achieve something you and I can??huh??..What make's u think He doesn't have the SKIlls to IT????Are you saying that they cannot run for Anything they value or become a Successfull in this LIfe time????...Next time DOn't try to Under estimate people....Respect people as you like to be respected...and ReCogNize This "MIDGAANS are PEOPLE..SOMALI PEOPLE..THAT ARE MUSLIMS" Get that throught ur HEad... People like you will Never Learn...Isn't that Sad??
OutKuzt hey there my brotha..great discustion, came out straight Up..Gotta give it 2 ya...2 Thumps Up..Some people may not like to Believe what you wrote but hey it was all true thought.. Well see we us Somali' people could be ignorents alot of times and discriminate our people from one another. How long has it being going on??God knows when thought. The Sad thing is, we still do that till this day. Some people joke around about it while others tell Mythy's about it. It makes me mad to see that my own people making different from one another. When we have One Land, One Nation but most of ALL, One Religion. There are questions they never ask themselves. Such as, How do they call themselves Muslims and at the same time make midgaan people as if they are another kind???Aren't they somali's like them?muslms?..see there are questions they never thought about it. Thank God, I was born and raised in a house where I never had to hate anyone no matter what their tribe was. Nor was taught one tribe was better than another. Reason being first, I never cared who's who. Never took side's nor will I ever do that. Because they are nothing more than a qabiil to me. Since my own mother and father are from different tribe's and their tribe's often had fought constant with each others. U see, the pressure of a child growing up in that environment was always there. Therefor don't let anyone let u down just because of your tribe. Not everyone think the same. At least alot of my teenage peers don't think like that. Thank God, there are people out there who are not brain washed like MILLIONS of OTHers. Take care brotha and Stay Strong. Might the Lord ALLah bless ya souls.
Your sister in Islam.
~~P.S "I hope my Generation doesn't make the same mistake us others did"~~ |
| OUTKUZT | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 09:35 pm
To: AMISTADGIRL
Sister thanks for your civilized commenst and the fasionable way you've presented, but what I would like to ask you before I further comment on this topic is, WHO IS OUTCAST? I want to understand your level of understanding about this issue of OUTCAST on your own terms not the lecture that somali gives their kids at home. obviously you are young intellegent somali women and I want to have discussion people like you about the future of somalia. those old folks their time is up and lets get on business...
OUTKUZT |
| Xamar | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:28 pm
Asalamu Caleeykum OUTKUZT!
Aad baan ugu riyaaqay arrinta aad halkaan ku soo bandhigtay, Walaal waa xaqiiqo in dadka isku sheega Nasab ay dhibaato badan u geesteen dadka Somaliyeed ee Midgaanta ah. Darood, Isaaq iyo Hawiye waa iney xaalmariyaan oo la baabiyo rasida la idinku ahaayo. Walaal weligeey cidna kuma xumeynin qabiilkiisa lakiin waxaan arkay dad badan oo si jahaliyad ku dheehan af-lagaado u geeysayo dadka somaliyeed ee midgaanta iyo Jareerta.
Ugu danbeentii xaal yaad mudan tahiin, waxaan rajeeynaya qof walba oo Somaliyeed inuu dib iskula hadlo oo uu ilaahisa ka baqo ( Qofna qof kale kama sharaf badna ilaa taqwadiisa mahee)
Somalida waxaa ku jira dad badan oo aanan is moodo iney iyaga ugu fiican yihiin sida jaahilkaa isku magacaabay Xayraan. waa ineynu Xayraan iyo kuwa la midka ah toogosho ku xukunaa oo qoota laga qooyo . |
| Kamal | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:33 pm
Mr Outcast , This was heart breaking but nontheless very truthfull article about Somalis and how savage can they be towards your People. As a young man I knew your pple by their proper name( Gabooye)and had a best freind from Hawle. In the town that i was born (JIjiga) they pretty much were treated as equals , this might have been as a result of the ethiopians running things in there. I also remember that just like any other qabiil gabooyes were referred by their subclans . Names like Hawle, Musse dheriye & Bafacayo were common to hear as back in the Pre 77-78 war. The skills of your pple wherever they are suggest that u pple must be a bit more civilized than other Somalis. Obviously no Somali Goverment would ever admit that the indegenous pple of Somalia are your pple. My humble opinion would be that these survival skills as u eloquently put it makes the first Somalis.Your pple are victims of one hell of a prosecution in Somalia. Some years back ( maybe 7 years ago)i read an article about a jewish tribe in Israel (Name sounded something close to yibir)and because of other observations i somehow suspect you pple are one of the lost jewish tribes (like the Falshaas)that might converted to Islam and therefore lost their connection to judaism. This would only explain your brilliance in many things in life and it actually makes your forfathers elligible for two Good deeds (one for following prophet Mussa and one for Prophet Muhammed). Any ideas about these points. and what makes you thibk your pple are the rightfull owners of Somalia. |
| OUTKUZT | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 08:48 am
TO: XAMAR
I solute you~
Let me start with Xamar(assuming you are male) brother the question goes back who is INFERIOR? also who is midgaan? that will answer by itself, Since the meaning of somali term is ( the one who is the lower point).
Now, you tell me who can be a lower point? a begger or earner? we earned every dignity and were known to be hard working, as well as honest earner throughout history, there is no somalian who can deny that, furthermore when the fake state had collapsed your(somalian) weaknesess came to be known worldwide... a nomads, ignorant, hostile and chronic dependence on welfare in each generous western country, whereby we (midgaan) work hard to pay tax that you collect and send it back to those warlord of yours in order to eliminate what is left my defenceless innocent people that you been enslaving for centuries and still held hostage against their will.
It makes me so ungry to see so-called somalian (Hawaiye) setting in a corner-shop all night bragging around how they raped an innocent young beautiful Yaxar woman and made her what they called SAF meaning Que or line-up over 20 men specially those HABARDIGIR clan. even the worst kind of animal can not do that,it make me sick to death seeing their ugly ignorant faces and still representing that beautiful somali name on the face of earth.
finally, my conclusion is if Pedophilism and raping an innocent child at the sametime practizing canabalism in this modern history as well as depending on welfare without work makes you NASAB(the-right-one)! then, I could not be prouder to be MIDGAAN-outcast (opposite of Nasab)
I rest my case......
I solute you all...... |
| YUSUF | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 06:30 pm
Mr. outkazt as a young jareer man in the united states, i have wonder why so many somalis us just because of our tribe, and at the same time proudly claim to be 100% Muslims. It's even sadder that they share with us Islam, which they brought shame. I think only Allah can reward us what we have been through; ,torture,insult,killing and more...
I can never proudly say i am somali after i have seen what we have been through but i have faith in Allah, and i believe one day we'll be respected as people but not as s. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 06:37 pm
The problem i have with our people is -why they hate Midgaan clan ? Simply their answer is they eate a dead meat.That tell u how ignorent our ppl are so we must go beyond this stupidity ,and builld our nation where everyone is equal. |
| OUTKUZT | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 07:56 pm
To: Kamaal & Yusuf
I solute you brother
KAMAAL:
I understand what you wrote, and your experience with some of those outcast folks. but in reality my people were true KINGS and QUEENS originated back those early days when those alien so called somalis came to us as a refugee, and we give them asylum, then shared with them what we had, we teach them how to herd Camels and have mixed herd like goats and cows as a supplement herd. then we teach them how fight with weapon, that was the most advanced in those early days, we even teach them all the secret we had since we felt that they were lost brothers of us, and later they turned on us, took over everything we owned, land, and wealth(animal wise such as camels,etc).
We fought back although our numbers were far more inferior than them.. they over ran us.. and spare no one.. they also make those survivor among us to starve to death, that is why you heard all their lame story that we ate corpse and etc.
I don`t know if you are familiar with the story of ARAWEELO she was one of us and after her fathers death our men in those early days grew weak against our enemies then she took over and recruited female soldiers. that story is too long .
Other than that, about Jew thing, yes we are the true Jew the original kingdom of solomon as well as moses people, although we came there long before pharaoh dynasty took over our ever-expanding-kingdom we been true believer to god(Allah) and his apostles that is why we are forgiving and tolerated for all those burdons.
Jews are not those pale folks from eastern europe whom claim that they were jews or are jews now. True jews are black like me like the flasha you saw in ethiopia. I will wrote you more about that history.
TO YUSUF:
brother you should be very proud of being who you are as a jareerman you have more endurance and strong believes than hypocrite somalis, I sum up that you are the TRUE SOMALIAN don`t let them take away your name. be proud of who you are.
Also do the best you can in North america as we midgo do... proof your self more than your self. if you know what I mean, you are the land of opportunity and there is no hypocrite Hawiye to tell you stay back door, just because you are jareer. and one word of advice! don`t waste your time seeking acceptance from somalis.
I hate to see their hypocrisy when a jareer brother who is muslim and share culture and language, as well as religion come to them they reject. but when I bustard from ghetto who has no religion and culture or identity comes to them they ass kiss and say OH! HE IS BLACK AMERICAN! what a shame!?
Finally I solute you all.... feel free to write I try my best to answer all your Q regarding who we are?
OUTKUZT/ |
| Anonymous | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 07:23 am
ARYAADHA YA MIDGO NAGU BARAY INTERNET WAABA YAABEE XAY RABAAN BACOWDAN. |
| ZAKRIA | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:16 pm
It's tragic and surprise to see skillfull people suffer while the un-skill, the savage suckers enjoy life to the fullest. I was wondering why somalia is unique in many ways, such as putting down the supperior,like the jareers who are very skillfull farmers, and who have been the backbone of our economy,and at the same time so call the malitia, worlords, who don't know anything about be the forthfront of the land. The future of once beloved land is in shadow and the only people who would guide us through the tunnel have been ed,raped,or enslaved. Let's think ones more and ask forgiveness to the originals, the real owners of our land, that is only if we want better future.
Freedom for the jareers,midgaans,reer-xamars,barawanis,yebirs,eelays and all who have been oppressed. |
| ZAKRIA | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:21 pm
It's tragic and surprise to see skillful people suffer while the un-skill, the savage suckers enjoy life to the fullest. I was wondering why Somalia is unique in many ways, such as putting down the superior,like the jareers who are very skillfull farmers, and who have been the backbone of our economy,and at the same time so call the malitia, worlords, who don't know anything about be the forthfront of the land. The future of once beloved land is in shadow and the only people who would guide us through the tunnel have been ed,raped,or enslaved. Let's think ones more and ask forgiveness to the originals, the real owners of our land, that is only if we want better future for our children.
Freedom for the jareers,midgaans,reer-xamars,barawanis,yebirs,eelays and all who have been oppressed. |
| OUTKUZT | Friday, November 03, 2000 - 10:46 am
TO ZAKRIYA
I solute you brother
you made your point, and the reason i am here is to reach my so-called-minorites while we are more than any particular group of clan (collectively speaking) we are still declared minories, there is no statistic factors that support their claim of majorities,and it is nonsense. if you really look at jareer or those so called OTHERS make up the bulk of somali nation, and we volunteerily give away our rights to suckers whom can't even feed themselves, let alone to have decency of civil society.
All we have to do is to unite our so-called others. and have one single voice, there is no doubt that we are much more superior in everyway to reclaim our somalia and lost name of our nation
We are planing to open office all over the world, there is no shortage of educated midgaan, jareer, or others.
LONG LIFE TO SO CALLED OTHERS! |
| Somali-Yankee | Friday, November 03, 2000 - 12:04 pm
mr outkast n zakria.....dear bro's yu have my deepest sympathy and iam truely sorry for what yu have been through over the centuries....there is no way we(mainstream somalis) could ever pay yu back for what yu have done for somalia....the best we could do is ask for your forgiveness...i guess the reason somalia is going up in flames is coz of all evils that were carried over the years.
i honestly would love to see a somalia for all somalis not just for nomadic samaals(daarood,hawiye n issaq).
one more thing guys...plz don't preach the very thing that you are trying to fight....hating the mainstream somalis ain't solve anything...perhaps educating them could be a better alternative..i know it won't be easy....n plz don't generalise the whole soceity.
A question....do yu think mainstream somalis are of pharoah descendents...considering their baseless superiority and tendency to enslave who ever they could? |
| Nazra | Sunday, November 05, 2000 - 10:36 am
Waan ka xumahay waxa ku dhacay dadkaaga laakiin miyeysan haboonayn inaad si fiican oo positive ah wax ku waanisaan intaad nacayb sii abuuraysiin..
walashiin soomaaliyeed
Nazra |
| Zakeria | Monday, November 06, 2000 - 08:58 pm
Nazra and yankee, i appreciate your sorrows and symbathy. My message is not to but rather love; however, it's very difficult situation for an avarage somali person to know where we are coming from, since they are not the ones that are in burden. By the way teaching our beloved somalis about our suffering is necacery, and the only way is to educate them about our suffering, but that can only happen if they are willing. Action speaks louder than words, so you should all be responsible about what is going on in Southern Somalia namely in between the two rivers, and say it's time to stop the suffering of another fellow somali, because as you all know we are living in the 21st century not 18th century when African Americans were experiencing the same situation. |
| JABRIIL | Monday, November 06, 2000 - 10:04 pm
I am absolutely with you, abhorrence those who abhorrence you
with no brain.coach your burlesques to hate and let
them know not to respect them always.
GET UP AND KEEP UP THE FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS
INSIDE SOMALIS. |
| Shire | Monday, November 06, 2000 - 11:51 pm
Well, well..upon reading these articles i Must admit that i was very saddened by what the brother Outcast wrote. I am 17 year-old guy. I have seen my country somalia twice and i am not not midgaan. In my openion, brother OUTKUZT all what you did throughout your articles is to proof your superiority over the other Somalis like me! I Quaote you saying "there is no doubt that we are much more superior in everyway to reclaim our somalia and lost name of our nation" What's that????? That's the most ignorant comment i have ever heard. Tell me what is the difference between you and HItler who believed his race was the best and also between you & the main stream Somalis who you called "SUcker" who believed that they were superior to you. Personally i don't see any difference.
What did "I" and people like me ( the new generation) do to be called by such names??
We are suffering as a direct consequece of what happened in Somalia. Yes we are angry with every single Somali who were responsible for this. but Pointing fingers will not change the reality.
But you brother OUtKst, Instead of solving this problem you are only creating another society based on the " Superiority" of your people. Then I ask what differnce have you made. The history will repeat itself and Your People will end up doing what was done to them.
By the tone of you voice it's apparent that you are furious. I understand that, but brother I ask what did the prophet do when he conquered "Mecca"? Did he take a revenge of the people who turtored him and his companions? Did he say that we are superior to other clans that we were living at the time??.
Think wisely and don't repeat the mistakes that people before you did once the beleived that they were Superior.
The solution is very simple one. Get rid of clans and come to a clean somalia based on the teaching of islam. once we do that Allah will gives us what he promised.
Salaam |
| wanaagsane | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 12:06 am
assalamu calaykum!
Outcast! saaxib, isn't what you are doing based on tribalism?....Waxaad moodaa adigana inaad cabtay suntii qabiilka.....
I do agree that, the somalis have wronged many people by using the evil of qabiil. It is unfortunate.....and against the teachings of islam.
But, you portrayed the problem in a manner that equals the way the tribalists do things.
What you wrote had the same magnitude as far as hate for somalis of other clans isconcerned....what is the difference between you and other die-hard tribalists?????? HATE IS HATE....
You have some facts, which otherwise would have strengthened your arguments if you had not used the langauge of hate.
You claim that you were kings and queens?...so, what?...what does king and queen mean?.....does it make you superior?
I do agree with bro Shire, when he says you are making the same mistake others did.
I find myself, a somali, who loves somalis from all walks of life..irrespective of clan background. I am a supporter of the equality of somalis.
Think twice!!! incitement will only bring hate.....
wa calaykum assalam |
| abdikarim hassan | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 12:57 am
WHO IS MIDGAAN
anigu waxaan qabaa waxaa midgaan ah ninka ama
qofka caabuda qabiilka isla markaana aan cibaadey-
san, mana qirsani inay jiraan wax midgo ah ama
nasab ah marka laga hadleyso somalia. |
| Shire | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:34 am
Wanagsane......
You said it all brother...I am totally forced to agree with ya. |
| OUTKUZT | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 03:40 am
I solute you all.
First and foremost let me clarify some obscurities that you might experience, let me start again to define the spoken word SUPERIORITY:
1)upper, in higher position; better or greater in some respect,of quality or qualities above average, having or showing consciousness of such qualities. Well, it does not come just like that you must have qualities to match with, such as self respect,self-reliance,tolerance, understanding, respecting others and etc.
My brother Shire what you have mistaken was INFERIORITY COMPLEX the one that Hitler and other people you compared me had. May I also add that they are Oppisite.
So,let me get back to my point we are superior no doubt and no mistake about that when it comes comparison to other somalis whom we resided and baby-sitted for longtime.
About the religion stuff: please save me for that hypocrisy of somali and Islam, had they used islam appropriately they would not have gotten into this deep sh@# they are in today, once someone challenge them about the fact they always escape to religion as they say Oh we are Islam and Islam does not constitude this or that, let me ask you where was the islam when your folks raped,Murdered,an innocent women and children those defenceless with no protections from a men who neither know the law of God nor those of men.
and still here comes Islam when outkuzt put on the web some facts about how disfunct you all are.
I would have given you more appropriate asnwer had you given me your particular clan since you are not Midgaan.
Brother don`t get me wrong I ain't mad at ya!. but it makes me sick to see those hypocrisy your people operate 24/7. and always play victim while they victimized others whom they consider to be weaker than them.
Peace.....
OUTKUZT |
| wanaagsane | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 03:50 am
outkuzt!
bro/sis
you are obviously an angry person.
If you want to correct some wrong doing, you don't opt for revenge..an eye for an eye. You claimed that you have had queens and kings, so what? what does that say?.....
I and bro shire, want to make it clear that we don't condone the suffering of any somali. whatever his tribe is.
so , stop inciting peace loving members of somalia (the tribe u mentioned) and let us look forward...
it is obviously because of orance that, fellow somalis have suffered...and i think by writing what you wrote, you will only achieve to polarise .you will not contribute to a dialogue.
lets us pray for reconciliation and understanding bro.....
stop being angry...remember the majrity of somalis are against theharsh treatment accorded to some clans in somalia.
it is true alot of atrocities were committed against many people...not only the tribe you mentioned but against all somalis ( REMEMBER SOME OF THESE ATTROCITIES WERE COMMITTED BY PEOPLE FROM THE SAME TRIBE)...
how shall we move forward |
| OUTKUZT | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 04:13 am
To Wanaagsane & Shire
Had I known your clan background I would have given you real answer, but please stop hiding behind artificial somali camouflage. at least state your clan background in order to debate about this subject.
To Brother Shire: you quoted about prophet mohamed (SAW) when he took over Macca, are you trying to make a comparison to Hawiye when they took over mogadishu? how ignorant you could be in that subject. Please do not get into what you have no knowledge.
Prophet did not take a revenge against those non-believer, even some of them were honoured so high shorty after they jointed to islam before taking over that city and made safe whoever goes to their home such as Abu- sufian to that extent.
Now what Hawiye did when they took over mogadidhu? did you hear what happen in the mosque of allah through out Mugadishu? do you have any idea what Islam means to them? I can not enumerate here that events. but there is a day of judgement for those who believe or those who don't.
So please stop using word Islam specially if you are Hawiye because you gonna insult the name of islam itself. |
| OUTKUZT | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 04:36 am
I am Neither angry nor disillusioned, Just I am trying to debate with others as well as my people of midgaan origin in civilized manner, unlike you my brother who accuse me being angry man but, Once you hear the facts coming out of some one who is midgaan I know it hurts the most, I know it is too hot to handle,because my midgaan folks were known to be silent about their suffering and pain caused others, and once spoken out here comes critics like you accusing me a hate monger..etc i do not hate no one, but if I do surely I do hate hypocrite the two faced and two mouthed people like you. who preachs genocide against defenceless folks. at the same time comes here and preachs somalihood. and nation and all those good stuff, brother wake up and sniff or smell the reality, you can fool people sometime, but definetly not all the time.
Time is up! peace ya all. |
| INAKULBAYDH | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 01:12 pm
WAY TO GO MIDGAAN BOY....I AM PROUD TO SEE MY MIDGO HERE |
| Shire | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 06:22 pm
Dear OutCast
First of all, thanx for your response. Secondly, i am not Hawiye but Darood.I am not ashamed of it niether do i believe that i am Superior. I don't have any knowledge of what you proposed that Hawiye did in the Mosques of allah. I told you before i have a little knowledge of the history of Somalia. But whatever the truth is...No one one will ever accept the claim that your people are "No doubt Superior"..And as long as you believe in that you will not make any real progress and it would be totally a waste of time to talk to you. The ugly fact is that you are just similar to those warlords who fight for the name of their clan, who believe "they" Deserve to be the real leaders of the country. Isn't that the plain truth. Everyone is fighting so that his clan is the superior. And unfortunaltly you are no difference.
Hawiye did not only do that to your people and it was not only the hawiye who did that. They did it to the Darood and Darood did it as well i believe. So do you want Us to indulge ourselves into another civil war that we already know its result.
Brother stop this propaganda. You will not get anywhere as long as you believe that You and your People are Superior. It will be totally useless to proceed furthur with you if you don't come closer and come back to your senses.
Salaam |
| SomaliLander | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 07:31 pm
Good evenenig ladies and gentlemen!!!
To Outkutz:
Salute to you brother, I was deeply affected by your speeches i felt particularly disgusted when you were describing those horrible actions in Xamar. You are right 200% this behaviour towards the "Midgaan" is quite un Islamic, actually it is on a collision course with Islam, Racism and Islam are non compatible they are like fire and water, they can't be combined one must win.
Let me tell you about myself I am Issaq man and i can only talk about ex northern Somalia(Somaliland). In Somaliland we used to discriminate against the Madhiban by not inter marrying because they are "Midgaan" but there was no discrimination in the sense that you can do what you want towards a Madhiban, No.
They are proud as anybody in Somaliland and will tell you i am Madhiban and they are spoken of in high esteem because they are harder workers and used to do all work that required skills, the nomadic culture viewed anything else than camel herding as a lowly proffession, thus the negative attitudes towards them historicaly but in todays world, skills talks and bullshit walks so Somaliland is no different from the world we want skills not bullshit.
Peoples views are hard to change especially cultural traditions and customs, but the civil war turned the Somaliland people around 190 degrees, remember my people lost 100 000 lives in the hands of the other Somalis just because of them being Isaaq, so racism and other bullshit is not appreciated here. In Hargeysa you have many returnees who have bad experiences of racism from Australia, Europe and so on, so people know the hardships of discrimination.
Let me finish my talking by saying that things can only get better for the disciminated people of ex-Somalia and I for one will be working towards that goal, and i know that many of my people will do the same.
Nabadgelyo brother! |
| Little -Gargarte | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 07:50 pm
WE are all Somalis, we respect Midganis, because Abdiqasim is Midagan at same time he the presedent of Somalia, Do u know who mOhamud Gar-gaarte and Mohamed Gargarte? |
| Badhaadhe | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 08:21 pm
to outkuzt.
I'm deeply concerned on everything that you pointed out, I'm youngman and I really feel shameful on how midgaan clan have been treated by the other somalian clans, that shouldn't happen at all and I'm so much disappointed about this.
I really feel disgraceful when it comes to this point, I would like to tell you (midgan clan) I'm proud of you for being peace loving community.
I hope it is time to leave clan names and to move forward for rebuilding our beloved country, together we can make deference.
let us put all past behind and go on.
nb-you requested every writer's clan therefore, I belong Ogaden sub-clan |
| DUCAYSANE | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 09:34 am
war soomaaliyey midganta sifiican halooladhaqmo oo soomaali weyn hala dhawrooooooooooooy. |
| wanaagsane | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 03:12 am
assalamu calaykum!
My dear brother/sis outkatz
You asked me to give you a background of the clan I belong to. I feel that I am not a member of any clan but a somali, an african and a muslim. what will my telling you my clan contribute to????.wouldn't that rather inflamate the issue? wouldn't my standpoint be coloured?
I have not sunk that low...I still believe that this clan thing is a myth established by power hungry individuals to rule others.
I condemn the actions of a few morons in somalia who treat their countrymen as slaves.
But the issue here is not that but rather one of taking stance. If a somali group feels mistreated/illtreated by other groups, they shoul not speak of revenge but for forgivness.
For your information every so-called clan in somalia has been mistreated, but there are the millions of somalis who are opposed to their treatment.
I have difficulty in understanding your motives bro. Is it to get sypmpathy? understanding? or is it to ask for revenge?
If it is sympathy and understanding , you have it. But if it is revenge and blame, then bro think twice....what will this lead to? more bloodshed.
the issue is not only about M::::::::S but about somalis. we have to see things in a different perspective.... let us discuss the origions, benefits and advantages of tribalism...and let us get rid of this cancerous tumour that is spreading.
salaam |
| OUTCAST | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 01:26 am
today eveyone swear THAT THEY ARE MIDGAAN in court all over the world,just to get passport or to give themself to foriegn country AND Don't you think it is from ALLAH Wixi nin lagu cayayey AYAA MANTA LAGU QUUDSADA.. So think before you open your old dirty mouse and remember ALLAH HE creat us EQUAL. |
| wanaagsane | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 02:39 am
asalamu calaykum:
Outcast!......U said It bro, wixii nin lagu cayay ayaa maanta lagu quunsadayy......The somali tribalists have finally succumbed to the the moment of truth. Today, somalis are for the first realising that we are not of a super race.
Never the less, bro, I can sence some anger in what you are writing...Isn't it better to discuss how we can eradicate this cancer (qabiil) that is dividing us instead of blame.
Instead of revenge, call for understanding
Instead of hate, inform your brothers/sis of their mistakes,
and finally look at the future instead of history.
wanaagsane |
