     Anonymous | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 06:40 am
You know, I really hate Somali Politics but after observing the developments of the last few months. It seems every clan is seeking an independent homeland and trying to cut loose the other clans. My example is, the Isaaqs called themselves Somaliland. The Daaroods called themselves Puntland. The Rahanweyns called themselves Jubaland. Now; Why are the Hawiyes the only clan, in our beloved Somalia, seeking Greater Somalia. ... Just somathing to think about I though. As I am human, please put me out of my mistery if I am wrong.
The Last request, Please when you respond to any subject don't get personal, simply reply in scholastic way instead of Somali way that we can all reply and respect. Thanks: |
| Anonymous | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 07:51 pm
saxib haddaan isku dayo inaan ka jawabo su'aashha adag ee iyada ah si kooban iyadoo taariikhda lawada ogyahay immikana somaalidu ku jirto wakhti ay is nacday oo ay kala dhimatay anigoon ahayn nin hawiye ah waxan raggaa la soo dhaqmay ama asxaab lahaa muddo waxan ogaaday inay yihiin wali qabiilka kaliya ee maanta soomali qof kale dhex gali karo ama la noolaan karo oo laguugu yeedhayo bas magacaaga waxana ogaaday inay yihiin, markaan taariikhdana dib u eegay,dadka kaliya ee inagu jira WADANIYIIN DHABBA. thi is my experience i have from the Haiye's ,those who i have seen and met so far. |
| galhareeri | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 10:35 pm
Waxaan ahay nin hawiye ah,qabyaaaladu waxa ay nasoo gaartay waqtiyadii burburka ugu danbeeyay, xumaanteedana waan soo aragnay.
HAWIYE waxyaabo badan oo loogaga fiican yahay waa ay jiraan, laakiin mida kaliya ee hawiye uu dadka kale ku dhaamo waxa ay tahay.
inuu qirsan yahay wixii xumaato ahaa ee uu gaystay.
inaysan ka cabsanayn KUFRI, tusaale ahan hadii aad nin hawiye ku tiraahdo AMXAARO ayaa soomaaliya qabsanaysa waa uu kugu qoslayaa, waxa uu ku leeyahay, intaan noolahay amxaaro qabsan mayso dhul soomaaliyeed, waxaadse arkaysaa dad soomaaliyeed oo iyagoo jooga geeska soomaaliya ugu shisheeya misana ka cabsanaya amxaaro. |
| Ahmed yare | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 12:44 am
Salaan ka dibv.Sxbyaal
Anigu waxaad moodaa in an idinka rayi duwanahay.
Anigu waxaan ahay koley beel un soomali ka mid ah kana dhashay Beel un. Waxaan qabaa somalida oo dhan in ay yihiin dad wanaagsan isna necbayn balse ay yihiin kuwo ay isku direen Faqriga iyo Gaajada Maxaa yeelay waa un dhuun waxa anu isku laynay ina gaarsiiyayna xaaladan maanta.
Hadaanu u noqono Xadiiskii nabiga clayhi wasaalm
"waxaa u yiri ka ducaysta faqriga kiisa xun kuna ducaysta imaan wanaagsan" marka intaa ayaan inaga maqan. |
| ALI | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 07:17 pm
Aniga intaan ka aqaan HAWIYA waad dad aad u wanaagsan oo la loo naankaro anigoo ka dhashay beesha ugu qabiilka badan waxaan ku arkay in haddii aan DAROOD nahay nalaga wanaagsanyahay xagga la noolashaha qabiilada kale waxaa bilaawnaa qabiilkeena ayaa fiican iyo wax aan micno laheen waxaa u maleenayaa in laga ilbaxsan yahay wadani ma nihin waxaa leeyahay inaan iska badalno sidaan ku socono. |
| mahad | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 01:00 am
Salaan ka dib bal ana aan rayigayga ka dhiibto waxaan ahay nin daarood ah oo ku dhashay xamar ka dib markii dhibkii ay dhigeen hawiye uu dhacay waxa aan ku dalbanayo inaan xamar ku noqdo ma jiraan waxaan ku amaan helayaa puntland aana sidaan doono ugu noolaanayaa,waxaan ahay qof muslin ah mana jecli iney somali isku dhamaato balse in la kala degenaado waa daw. ninka yiriwow hawiye soomali isku duuban ayey rabaan ma haystaan sida puntlan 5 gobol xamarse yaa leh?waxaan leeyahay ma ogoli dulmi wixiise dhacay waxa ay galeen historybooks qof walaana waa ogol yahay mara sidaa ayey ila tahay. |
| ali | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:16 am
MARKA HORE WAAD SALAAMAN TIHIIN MARKA LABAAD SOOMAALI WAA SOOMAALI MARKA AAD JOOGTO DALK DIBADIISA LAGUUMA YAQAAN QABIIL KALE LAAKIN WAXAA LAGUU YAQAAN INAAD KA TIMAADEEN GOBOLO KALA DUWAN MARKA SOOMAALIYEY ISTIC MAALA MAGACA GOBALKA AAD KA TIMAADEEN MARKA WAXAA LA HELAYAA DAD FARO BADAN OO DAAROOD AH OO GOBALKA BANAADIR U HADLAYO SIDAAS OO KALE WAXAA LA HELAYAA DAD FARA BADAN OO HAWIYA AH OO U HADLAYO GOBALKA HARGAYSA MARKA SIDAAS AYAY ILA TAHAY IN AY KU JIRTO WADANIMO |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:06 am
Ok here we go ... what if Hawiye takes what is left now in Somalia that is not claimed but ali/land or abdi/land and call it a Hawiye(Land). Just think about the consequence. Whether the consequence becomes an interclan war; because of land claims; or each clan representing a section in Somalia, resulting a federal government whereas people are equel. Please discuss in good fashion and don't bring the issue of land as it is not the subject we want to discuss. This is only Hypothetical situation. Thanks all of you for your mistic understanding and honest discussion. Thanks again. |
| Xamardaye | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 02:02 pm
Waxaanan yeelahayn in runta laga war wareegsado,
X/land, X/land, iyo X/land, iska aysan imaanin, ee waxaa keenay, Hawiye, oo sheegtay, laba shabeele iyo Banaadir, somalidi kalana dibedda uga saaray,marka ma qolo aan Goof lahayn baa jidho? waa maya, sidaas ayeey cid waliba u dhoo-dhaabeeysatay abuulkeedi(goofkeedi),ha iga harto laba waxyaabood oo ay dadki horaba sheegi jireen oo kala ah, Hawiye ayaa darisnima leh iyo Hawiye ayaa Qarab goob ah.
Hawiye ayaa horseeday dhul sheegasho iyo goosasho.
Hawiye ayaa darisnimadi diiday oo dariskiisi jar ka tuuray.
Soow Hawiye ma ahayn ninkii ninkii furay Xaasaskii
reer X/land?
nabad iyo caano |
| darwiish | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:59 pm
Ramadaan wanaagsan.
Anigu waxaan ahay shaqsi daarood ah hooyadeeyna waa hawiye aad ayaanan ugu faraxsanahay inaan noqdo qof laba qabiil dhaqanyaqaana.ok hadii aan u soo laabto mawduuceenii HAWIYE qabyaalada ma aheyn kuwa ku dheereeya ilaa bartamihii sideedameeyadii laakiinse waxey noqdeen kuwa u isticmaala qabiilkii heer xun iyo in shaqsiyaad dana gaar ah leh ay u tusaan cadow.qabiilo kalo ma xuma hadii qofka qabiilkaada ah aad garab wax ku tarto sida reer adeeradeey lagu eedeeyo .laakiin aniga umaleynmaayo inaan aan nolosheyda xamar dambe ku laabanaayo iyadoo waliba ay joogaan qaar ka mid ah walaaladeey amaba abdtiyaashey taasna waxaa sababey wax yar ma aha .waxa la iga qarinjirey walaalkey aan ilma abti nahay iina arkey inaan ahay nin cadawkiisa ah.waxaana ibadbaadiyey inasoo dhoweeyey ninkale aan waligeen is arag magac qabiil oo kaliya aan wadaagno.waan ogahay in dadkoo dhami sidan aheyn laakiin markii aan hawiye ama xamar maqlo waxaa i horyimaada wiilkii qoriga igu raadinaayay. |
| shaacir | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 03:38 am
marka hore aniga waxan ahay shaqsi hawiye ah
sida uu sheegayo darawiish waa ay ka dhacday xamar waqtigii dagaalada.arin qalad ween ayey aheed .laakiin qof walba qalad wuu sameeyaa(nobody is perfect) oo daarood ka xitaa waxey ku sameeyeen isaaq waan wada oksoonahay.
marka tan kaliye ee xalka inoo ah waxey tahay in layska ilaawo wixii horey u dhacay oon eegno mustaqbalka. |
| ISLAM | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:46 am
S/C/W/W.
ALLAH Kariim, Rammadaan Mubaarak kuligiin.
Aniga waxa ay ila tahay Soomaali hadii la doonayo waxa danta u ah ee aynu aakhiro iyo aduunkaba ku liibaanayno, waa wada ogtihiin Soomaalida intooda badan ayaa waxay ku odhanayaan Muslim ayaan nahay laakiin in kitaabka wax lagu xukumo inaga daaya oo xitaa aduunku waxba ina siinmaayee, waar inaad sadaqo iyo Gaal wax uu ku siiyo filayso, Tii Illaahay miyaad ka quusatay? sideedse ku noqonaysaa Muslim? Sawta aan wada ognahay in Illaahay kaliyahi kugu filan yahay.
Kufriga iyo gaalo jaceelka hala iska daayo walaalayaal inteena yar ee gaalada jecelna aan ka waanino.
Islaamku qabiilada oo dhan ayuu simayaa, Xaqa masaakiinta la dulmaayo ayuu Ilaalinayaa, kan isla wayn ee shirkiga mar kasta ku dhawaaqaya ee leh
"Waar aniga oo reer siduu waxaanu sidaas ii dhihi karaa"
Anigu waxaagaas oo kale miyaan kula mid ahay?
Qabiil hebel iyo qabiil hebel sideed iskula meel dhigi kartaa?
Walaalayaal isla wayni iyo kibir waa waxyaalaha Rabigeen necebyahay in uu qofku ku hadlo ha la iska dhaafo.
DIINTA ISLAAMKANA hadii aan sheeganayno Muslin aan ku dhaqano dalkeenana ku dhaqno Shareecada Islaamka, Waa xalka kaliya ee inoo banaan.
Axmaar iyo Gaalna khayr kuuma soo wadaan ogoow waa cadawgaaga uun mar kasta.
Ugu dambayntii yaan la dhagaysan ayaan anigu odhan lahaa kuwa ku marmarsiiyooda, waar muslim waa nahee dadka ha inagu dirina, Maraykankaa ina nici, Untuna waxba ina siin mayso, waa Terrorist iyo Fundmentlist ayaa la ina odhan etc..
Kuwa waxaas ku haldlaayi waa kuwo doonaya in ay fusuq, Khamro, macsi iyo Tuugo banaystaan.
Gaalona waligeedba way inala dagaalamaysay maskaxiyan iyo gacanba waxbana inama yeeli karto inagoo isku duuban,
Tawakaltu Calallaah laa xowla walaa quwata ilaa billaah.
Tawakaltu Calalaah wakafaa billaahi wakiilaa.
Wabillaahi towfiiq.
S/C/W/W. |
| aalg | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 08:31 am
you folks must be crazy or I am in another planet.
talking X is better than Y at this age. Wake up, people are planning to settle in Mars and that is our topic. May God help us
Ramadaan Khriim |
| Omar | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:24 am
I agree with aalg. Let us takeover Mars then some of us will call it MarsLand  |
| Anonymous | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:01 pm
In response to the question why Hawiyes aren't seeking their own Hawiyeland like others? There are two possibilities why this isn’t the case:
First of all, Hawiye is very diverse Clan, and therefore has many sub-clans that have very little in common in terms of custom, language (dialect) and history. For instance Habergidir sub-clan has more in common with the Daaroods in Puntland than their own Abgaal cousins in Banaadir. They also inter- marry with the Daroods more often than their own Hawiye clan. It is apparent that the only thing that these sub-clans share is the Name Hawiye. And the testament of this luck of commonality is displayed by their continuous and devastating inner clan warfare in the capital.
The second possibility is an extension of the first one. The luck of homogeneity among Hawiye sub-clans creates a sense of hostility and mistrust. Every sub-clan is convinced that the others are there to get him and no one is interested in promoting the welfare of all Hawiye members. Every sub-clan believes they are there for themselves and only themselves.
These tensions and mistrusts are perpetuated by the absence of strong and impartial leadership (not that I’m implying C/laahi yusuf, igaal or Shaatigaduud are any better leaders). But symbol that these regional leaders represent for their respective clans is what Hawiye has been missing. One can argue that elder Aided or Ali Mahdi are better leaders than the above three, but their vision is blurred by their desire for the bigger Pie (president of Somalia). Thus they failed to meet immediate needs of their region and of their clan: peace, security, clan unity…etc. Ironically, it pays off at the end, after all the current President is from Hawiye.
Personally, I would like to think that Hawiye did not sought to create their own Hawiyeland out of nationalism and desire for greater Somalia, but that will naïve to think so. Every Somali clan wants every thing for themselves and therefore is driven by pure greed. And fortunately Hawiye is a Somali clan.
P.S: I need to clear out few things that may save you a lot of wonderings.
· I am STRONGLY against tribalism and therefore will be UTTERLY OFFENDED should someone accuse me of being one.
· I support our current government 100%
· I believe strong united Somalia…to me Somalia is indivisible…
· I don’t believe that power should be concentrated in Mogadishu. |
| Anonymous | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:32 am
From Anonymous to Anonymous. I wish every somali had the understanding and the fairness you displayed in that article. I am the person who originaly brought this question and more than I expected I got that answer as the one I was looking for. Indeed Hawiyes not only are they lagging a good leader but the mistrust at this time is all time high. They also took the civil war into another level by looting the property of other somalis as that was not the original mission of the War. And finaly, the only credit that I can give Hawiye is the one they don't deserve which is not seeking Hawiyeland when they could. The reason that I can't give them is because they are bussy on something else not because it is Partiatism.
Oh by the way I beleive that everything the gentleman above said about Somalis(the indivisable) and all but I want to add the I am Hawiye though I regret. Not that I would like to be any other tribe though. As far as I am concerned, Somalis today are crook after crook and not many cares about the Land of our ancestors. It troubles me... |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, January 10, 2001 - 04:08 am
DAROOD WAA DHAD DHADKA KACABSIYA MARKE HALAGHA CAPSEDHO. SHEEYKUU BAA DHACDHEY MAGALADA MAINE PORTLAND 2 NIN BAA LUGHU DILEY TARAADH WAXAAN NA DILAYE WARSANGLEY 2 NIN WAXEY DHONAN HAA NOQHDHANEY SIXUN BAYE U DHILAN A SOMALIYA YA A QHABILLKA MAISKA DHEYNNO. |
