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     | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 10:48 am I've been reading numerious msgs on this "express-yourself" discussion page. It's a great idea. But what amazes me the most is that those Somalis who sound the most educated and intelectual are sending irrelevent messages that are totaly distructive. My point is, can those Somali who were fortunate enough to have recieved a western education and intelect, put a good use to their skills to better the situation in the motherland? In other words, can u stop HIDING behind your computer monitors and bring it home? Can you live up to your comments face to face? You can start by forming some sort of a LIVE group-discussions to resolve our differences. Because the people who realy need your help do not have access to computer and technology. So, I DARE YOU to come out behind your screens and put your knowledges and skills to the test.
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| | Friday, December 29, 2000 - 12:40 pm would you be willing to start one? contact me at Koshinus@yahoo.com
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| | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 05:54 pm WELL, I APPLOUD TO YOU SISTER.... I ABSLOUTLY COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH YOU.... THERE IS NO DISPUTE WHAT SO EVER, AND THE EVIDENCE IS SHINING AND VISIBLE LIKE THE LIGHT OF THE SUN IN CLEAR DAY, THAT... SOMALIS HAVE INTELLECTUALS, AND MANY MANY HAVE GREATLT BENEFITED (including u and i) FROM THE WESTERN EDUCATION! NOW, THE CHALLENEG IS ARE WE GONNE APPLY AND DO WE REALLY WANNA APPLY OUR KNOWLEDGE AND EDUCATION TO TO THE ACTUAL WORLD.... TO THE ACTUAL WORLD OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS? I FOR ONE AM WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE WITH WHAT I KNOW, IN THE REBUILDING AND RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS OF THE MOTHER LAND. MY EMAIL IS:tribehater@hotmail.com........... plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz do feel free to exchange idea and views with me......... else who ever that want to discuess this issue further, plz lieve ur contact address and i'll get back to you as soon as possibile. ps>>>>>>>>>. to the sister that started this facinating topic thanx, and do keep on producing such ideas, allah may bless u sister. bye, and much love 2 all
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| | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 05:51 am Sisiter all that comes from the west is not honey ! All intellectuals are not educated in the west only Village man
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 03:27 am Its sometimes amazing to see such wonderfull thoughts but to implement is the hard bit. I think our problems is far from were we are at the moment but if we work hard Allah will help us and at the end we will share our opinions in better manner. Before i leave i would like to take this opportunity to thank my dear sister who started this topic and may allah reward her on good. Sallaam@hotmil.com
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:13 am SALAAN ! " GABARSOMALIYED " !? ABAAYO HADII EYDAACAD KATAHAY SOMALINIMADAADA MAXAA AFSOMALI UGUQORIWEYSAY FIKRADAADA AN AADKA ULADHACAY? MAOGTAHAY IN WADANWALBA UU ISKUDAYO INLUQADIISA UUHORNMARIYO O´UUQANIKADHIGO! ANIGA SWEDEN AYAANKUNOOLAHAY LUQADA INGRIISKANA SIFIICAN UMAAQAANO , SUAASHA MESHATALO WAXAWAYE AQONISWEYDARSIGA SIDEENUGAQEBQAATAA HADII AADU´ARAGTEEN INGRIISKA INUUYAHAY MIDLAGU MIISAAMO AQOONTA QOFKA SOOMAALIGA ? SIDAAS IYO NABEDGELYO.
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:46 am I was asking myself many times if the Somali intellectuals behave differentlly from non-educated ordinary Somali people. I live in Europe for may years and where i got my education.When the civil war started in our country, i tried to discuss the issue with other Somali intellectuals. It is really sad that the boundary between the educated one and the non-educated is very narrow. It is very important for every one of us to remember the country is waiting for us both educated and non-educated. Together we can make Somalia one of the best places on earth. Do not forget the natural resources of our own country, what we need is peace, and tolerance, remember we are the luckiest people in Africa.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 06:10 pm Somali intellectuals are perceived to be those with a western education. Haaa haaa, the Angels must be laughing with me because I happen to be from a society that suffers from inferiority complex. What happened to our own enlightened Somali intellectuals, those whose literature, philosophy and religion were based on oral studies. It means from now on those are "Reer baadiye" and their knowledge is not even required for analysis. If your thoughts and arguments start from that premise you would always be enslaved mentally by those white people. Wake up Somalis! Viva Africa.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 10:43 am yep indeed.........but most of them know not....it's often the case that many so called intelectuals try to value more in a person about their westrenized culture than their intelecct..........and i am sorry to say it but "the lady is one of them"
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 08:29 pm the truth always prevail..there are no Somali intellectuals period either western educated nor Uluma'udiin or literature nomads the evil in the whole Somali society outweighs the good in the whole Somali society,,,,I am not optimism Somali affairs any longer...I am pessimist.....they do everything to hurt their fellow countryman ..all of them similar behavior good almighty Allah only can help to clean the evil in their souls....look around ....we all become ruthless Society
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 03:46 am I agree with you that Somali people hurt each other all the time.To have higher education is a valuable thing, wether you got in the West or not. But the education doesn't change your personality.The real Somali citizen is the one who always like the best thing for his/her countryman. We are in a desperate situation, sometimes you can see old people from Somalia in the streets of Europe. It is painful, they should be at home, with their families. We are self destructive society, and the way we treated our people and the country shows clearly who we are. Amina.S
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 06:30 pm Xalane and Amina you are both missing the point and merely mentioning the weakest link of Somali disintegration. Somali's abandoned their own civilization because development became the buzz word and inorder to achieve a living 'standard' like the Westerners, we were told that we have change our ways of living, thoughts, culture, education because that was deemed to be backward. It was a the biggest psychological war that was ever mounted by the Europeans towards the "inferior races", and thanks to the cold war and our self-centred elite we still call each other ignorant which meant lacking Euro-education. We abandoned in what we stood, negated our culture, and even lost track of our faith because we want desperately to be like the western person. Next time you write about western education remind yourself that you possess a precious one, all it needs is that you have to dig it up. Wake-up Somalis
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 08:23 pm Free from Mental forget about inferiors and superiors nobody is given damn what the European think ,that is scapegoat tell me the Somali's who have good culture and intellectual thoughts ,you damn wrong even those who call themselves Uluma misused and abused the word tribe same those who are educated have similar scenario,,,One minute Wadaad next minute kaabo Qabiil...one minute educated person next minute tribalist....the problems are we confused people who don't know there identity ,,leave along white man and his crab we killing each other for 11yrs and it seems more disastrous to come what that has to do European philosophy we misusing the brain Almighty Allah differentiate from Us the other Animals to sort out right from wrong,,,the present Somali people are the worst generation any society in the planet
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| | Thursday, April 05, 2001 - 04:19 pm Xalane the fact is that if you lose your identity, culture, it means that you have completely lost many values that you have encultured with. For example, in Somalia today, there are groups of young kids who are armed to the teeth who pillage, kill and rape others. This means that those kids grew/growing up in a society of lawlessness. Their internal deterent system in regards to those kinds of actions collapsed because they lack values that the culture of violence couldn't offer them. My dear brother the disintegration of Somalia started long before we were born. It is rooted within Somalia's recent history beggining from colonialism up to Siad Barre's regime. Thirty and something years ago we sang the praises of independence, created new Somali hereos, who promised us that they would lead us to prosperity. What happened since? I think we resisted the white man and this resistance united us, but once on our own we were told that we should march towards "DEVELOPMENT", then, can we become and belong to a strong "NATION-STATE". This change required sacrifices and regretfully our civilization, literature and culture became the condemned. Since that day, like those young Somali 'fighters' we lost much of our values. If you also look closely the recent global politics namely the Cold War, you would realize that countries like Somalia had no chance in achieving their dreams. The world was divided in two camps and the "Thirld World" became the battleground. Regimes such as Siad Barre's and other lutocracies were either installed/protected by the superpowers. Therefore, our dreams became nightmares. Since independence, Somalia's economy was a bubble economy, one that relied on foreign donors. A new psychology of values and morals based on welfare dependency has emerged. Any attempts of reconciliation should be focused on social engineering. This is basically going for a home run. Re teaching their lost history-culture so they may demand back their lost values.
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| | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 09:47 pm Free man let me point my view before nineteen hundred most of the world involved religion wars but after and early nineteen hundred expansionism and fascism emerged throughout European and that's why two world wars happen but from 1945 ideology divided the world East and West blockade and most of third world became dependable bcause of the Arsenal compettition east and west blockade and that transitions effected the whole world,,,,,, and when Somalia freed from European expantion or became independent our fouding fathers because of their jubilant and distancing from its colonial past united the country but never set any strategies for its citizens away from clan loyalty ,,,,and after four decades it brough our complete disaster,,,yes the cold war had its factors 1990 the Eastern blockade economically collapsed and effected many countries disintegrated and Somalia happen to be one of them and time goes on changes will happen and we must adjust our societies...yes inside and outside of the country you have lost generations who don't have any identity and time is our biggest enemy and western world they do it for you more harm than any good...so my dear brother the power ball is on our hands no blame
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| | Monday, April 09, 2001 - 05:53 am Free man let me remind you a Somali prover which says DOQONTII DIIFKA CESHAN WEYDA DURAY BAY HAFARTAA. We can't always blame our meisery to someone else. It is time to weak up, let us say the whiteman is physically far away from the killing and lowlessness of the Somali people. The war lords are not white and I belive they consider themselves Somali citizens like you and me. I attended a meeting last week. A Somali medical doctor was telling us, that it has been the first time in Somali history, that the father has more education than his son.It is a hopless situatiin, How can you take away the responsability from those who created Somali peoples agony?.We were slaves for the whitman but we are the slaves of warlords now.Let us take a concret example, Mogadisho airport and the harbor which has been closed 12 years ago. These places used to feed these kids before they started to kill and rape.
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| | Tuesday, April 10, 2001 - 06:11 pm Sorry for this short answer Aamina and Xalane, however, a starting point for reconciliation would be going back to basics. This requires the reorganization and social engineering of our societies, so that we could achieve a civilized, moral values based societies. So far we have'nt achieved the so-called promised progress in any part of Africa, so lets totally abandon the superficial western based baromiter of human civility.
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| | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 04:57 am Freeman I belive those Somalis who live abroad (like you and me) have choice to make , whether we abandon western values or not.But the majority of our population are hopefully at home, peace and social economic change is crustal for their survival.Do you think a person who can't feed his children care any western/eastern values?. What we are talking here is an emergency situation. We have to reconcile before we start any moral values.Today I was reading the news from Somalia. It was one sentence, which made my whole body to shake. They wrote: The Ethiopian man in charge of Bay and Bakol regions. What kind of progress are you waiting from African dictators?. The only job they are qualified is to create war for their own survival.Let us say the white man at least tries to take care of his own people.So it is enough reason for me to call them civilized sociaty.From that sentence, you can learn the Ethiopian tactics. Of curse, they are trying to increase the chaos and instability inside Somalia but also for their own good.
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