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SOMALIA'S NEW FRONTIER POLITICS!

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): RA'YIGA DADWEYNAHA - Your Opinion: Somalia: Archive (Before Sept. 29, 2000): SOMALIA'S NEW FRONTIER POLITICS!
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AnchorLady

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 06:11 am
The New Appointed President has conducted himself Professionally.He was eloquent and made an impression on me.However we really have no clue who the man is.Numerous questions linger among ourselves.We want to know his Backround,resume,acomplishment,education,family status, etc.I'm a journalist student at university of minnesota and would very much like to have an interview with our 'appointed President'.
Somalia-has gone through atrocious disformation and it is only fair -to announce -enough is enough!As a journalist and a Somali-i have these Questions.

1)Who is this Man and what does he stand for?
2)What would he bring to Somalia TODAY?
3)When would he disclose his platform strategy to
build 'New somalia'?
4)Where would Somalia be in the year..2005?
5 Why should we pick him?

All political comments are welcomed-provided they are intellectual and have substantial reliability!

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Anonymous

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 06:32 am
i want to know if the President's name is "salaad"..or "salaat'? lol

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Kismayo resident

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 06:57 am
I will really be interested to hear his view point stand of bringing the warlords to justice.Whether he'll propose a united nation intervention justice court for the malicious warlods.That would proove his sincerity towards Somalia!


Piece.

Kismayo Resident.

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Rumor has it

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 07:51 am
I heard that the new president is living with a woman who is not married to him.What does that endorse?should personal morals reflect political designated office?

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little billY

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 07:57 am
i did not have sexual relationship with that woman.:)))))))))))))))echo:)))))))))waving finger!

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Simba

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 09:02 am
Rumor has it,

Yeah her name is Monique Leblanc

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Waleed

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 12:43 pm
To Anchortlady, Good questions, and I will be glad to furnish the possible answers of what so called Salaad, Salat, or what ever. Here I'm acting on behalf of Salaad. Regard to your first question, I had worked for the dictator Siad Barre for so many years, without rising my voice to stop the atrocities that he committed.The least I could have done was to resign, but my monthly salary, and the nice house which I was living in kept me quite, let’s be realistic here, do you think that I will give up all I lived for because of punch of Somalis, hell no. 2- I can bring absolutely NOTHING, but a repeat of the fucker Siad Barre scenario, I guess my fellow Somalis got used to my boss strategies. 3- What new Somalia are you talking about, you meant old Somalia, yes sure, that was my plan exactly. 4- In a 2005 year, I will be DEAD, so there is no way of me to know how things are running. 5- I don’t need you or anyone else to pick me, all I needed was those thieves, murderers, and my friends to elect me, and they did exactly what I was expected. Well, I'm proud of them, ouldn't you???

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Xaali

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 01:25 pm
:)

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Anonymous

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 01:50 pm
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Good job Waleed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yahya

Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 04:20 pm
I urge all Somalis to read an article by UNDOS titled LET'S TALK ABOUT GOVERNANCE IN SOMALIA.
I find the analysis on the Somali and their ability to govern themselves to be vividly illustrated.
The piece argue that "THE SOMALI ARE NOT FIT FOR A STATE".
The piece quotes one of the first european travellers to the somali region Burton he states after his brief stay "Somalis are a nation of fierce republicans" and that the state is alien to somali culture.

Let me quote Burton He says "Every free born
(Somali) man holds himself equal to his ruler and allows no royalities or prerogatives to,abridge his birthright of liberty. Yet I have observed he says that with all their passion for independence, the somal, when subject to strict rule as in Zayla and Harar, are both apt to discipline and subservient to command."

Before some of you jump in with on of the favoured somali line "why listen to a GAAL. wHO is he to tell us who were."
I will go as far to say that only an outsider nonsomalis are better positioned to understand the somali charcter and behaviour.Because they are not exposed to the brainwashing and the propaganda that is clanism.

I personally think the somali is difficult creature to govern because he/she thinks they know it all e.g look at this forumse the are more disagreemnts than agreements and more abuses than praises.

What is the solution you wonder i have few ideas about that.Before i get into the solution i just want to quickly point out the challenges we have to overcome and the short comings of the new government.

a) The somalia shall never be at ease with itself when you have people with blood on their hand in the government. how can you ask people to be governed by their family killers or policed by their rapist?

b)Somalia shall never prosper and face the world when we who are abroad fund the civil war and divide youselves in the 21st century a period when the English, the Germans, the Italian and the French who share no language and identity are coming together to create a European super state the somalis who share language, religion, culture and even apperance continue to divide themselves into clans and further weakend themselves.
c) I keep reading how most of you publicy proclaim to be proud being a somali.
I am sure inside deep inside you are not proud or maybe even embarassed to be a somali.
Proud to be somali? proud of what? killing your on people, raping your neighbours sisters, demolishing your own country, making your own people into refugees and beggers in other countries, not able to feed your own people etc which part of being soamli are proud of?

Do not get me wrong l am an optimist i am not about to give-up on somalia and her people.
Solution to the somali problem lays with its educated young who are abroad that means you.
1)The elders have let us down they have failed and they could not be trusted what they want is power for the sake of it, they are corrupt and should not be allowed to rule.

2) Young somalis who are educated and are able to see through the fakeness of clanism and warlordism
should go back and put into use their aquired knowledge where is needed most the land which is engulfed with darkness.

But really the war in somalia is not about clans is about individuals with huge egoes who use any available livage to divide the people in order to have a support base. It is not on the interest of the clan leaders to have a central government why give power and money gained through theft and taxation away and become a nobody or junoir minister.
The only comparison I could think to somali warlordism is that of China before it was unified and it teaches us that warlords do not give power away it had has to be taken from them.

Lastly before i bore you i have a quote "THE STRENGTH OF A SOCIETY IS NEVER PUT TO A GREATER TEST THAN WHEN IT IS CONFRONTED THE TASK OF RECREATING ITSELF."

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Anonymous

Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 03:00 am
if i had to ask the president aquestion?


does he masturbate?

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Alipapa

Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 10:56 pm
Anchor;

>1)Who is this Man and what does he stand for?

He is A/qasim Salaad Hassan, the last interim minister of Siyad Barre regime. He is rushian educated. Held many ministerial position in the Barre regime.

In fact, no one knows his true color but i tell you he is religous and shrewd politician. There are enought evidences that points out he is belong to "Akhwaanu muslimiin" somali version they call "Al islaah".

Al islaah is Islamic political group who targets intelectuals. Most doctors in Somalia is belong to Al islaah. They are well organized, moderate, very tollerant towards women rights and human rights compared to average wadaad somali. Mostly they work underground.

>2)What would he bring to Somalia TODAY?

It is hard to answer as no one knows what future holds. But being "ceyr", the most powerfull gabardir malatia and religous man who have support from local islamic court in Mogashu, soon he would restore the stability of Mogadishu.


>3)When would he disclose his platform strategy to
build 'New somalia'?

Unfortunately, this question doesn't sound logic to me. It is unrealistic to expect more than built his fragile government, restore stability of mogadishu and negotiate the regional leaders and warlords. He has only three years to clean all this mess.

>4)Where would Somalia be in the year..2005?

Probably no where far where it is today. Do you think in 5 yrs will make any difference this all run-downed country?. I doubt it.


>5 Why should we pick him?.

He was the only suitable candidate for this job for the following reasons.

1-Since the civil war was based on clan, only clan solution can be solved. And since Hawiyye felt that it is their turn to rule and also rules Mogadishu and many important southren regions, it was good that president come from Hawiyye.Only hawiyye president can rule Mogadishu and can restore the peace.


2- since Habargidir is the most powrfull among hawiyes, the best bet was the president should come from them.
3- Among HabarGidir, Abduqaasim become the best choice because he is veteran politician who is clean from the bloodshed of the civil war. And he also seems trusthworthy since he is religious.


That was my humble opinion and it is only mine.


Alipapa

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MAD MAC

Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 11:31 pm
Yahya
Some great insights. Can you please post that web site. Also, I would love to correspond with you. I think Alipapa has a point though, when he says that a clan solution with the Elders is almost inevitable since that is where the traditional authority lies.

For All
Putting the Warlords on trial right now is both not feasible (who's going to arrest them?) and ill-advised. First Somalia must establish a level of stability and develop a government legitimized by the people. Once that happens then they can deal with legally addressing the past.

I think Somalia will have a difficult time dealing with legally addressing the war since too many people have blood on their hands. What are you going to do - execute half the population? So some sort of comrpomise solution is going to have to be reached.

Alipapa is absolutely correct in that we have to be realistic. If the new government can manage to stabilize the security situation in Mogadischu and legitimize itself over the next three years that alone is accomplishment enough. Once those two objectives are met then they can start dealing with infratructure, education and other high profile issues. The one thing that is really critical is that they provide the foundation for business development without getting in the way through over-regulation and abusive taxation. And the taces must provide services, not go into the koffers of some corrupt politician. Penalties for corruption should be HARSH and courts should be independent of the politicians!!!

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AnchorLadY

Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 03:07 am
Ali papa

Thats was really informative


Question:Do you really think they chose The 'Appointed President' based on clan;because the war was initially based on that?Whta facts can you render,or is it a matter of speculatory decree?

Others:who contributed intellectually.thanx!

others:who were a little dis-intergrated to world of imaturity-poor you!

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Alimama

Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 08:04 am
First time I see Alipapa claiming tp be humble.
If that is not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

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Tarjuman.

Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 06:58 pm
ALIPAPA.

Cut this habargidir mingis of yours bro. I haven't seen a loyalist like you in years.

MAD clueless.

never mind.

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Alipapa

Friday, September 15, 2000 - 02:51 pm
Anchor;


You took me into surprise!. what else do you think that the whole somali civil war was based on other clanism?-- religion? classes? ideology?.

Get a firm grip girl!

It was such obvious that every idiot with 1 gram- weighed brain and everybody's hard-to-see great granma could both see i was based on clan.

USC was contianed buch Hawiyes. And they were the onces who ousted Siyad Barre.

Again, a/qassim was chosen on clan basis. Nothing more nothing else.

Tarjuman;
i never been one. I only wanted law and order for that jungle of ours. And honestly speaking, to me it doesn't make any much difference if any of these guys, Aidid, Ali mahdi, A/qasim or A/lahi yusuf, become president. All i wanted is to see somalia's back-to-life. And if that makes me habargidir, so let it be.

Alimama;
i am happy to know that you, bitch!, want me to keep in line. later!


Alipapa

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AnchorLady

Saturday, September 16, 2000 - 10:18 pm
Ali papa

Pardon me

What i was saying is:Was the elected president,chosen as a pity bargain to save Hawiiye from feeling left out and giving them the chance to become president?I know the war was based on qabiil and B.S-but my question was..do you genuinly believe that he was not chosen on merit of his qualifications?!

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Alipapa

Saturday, September 16, 2000 - 10:54 pm
Anchor;


You are funny! what merit does this-Barre's- regime dude have?!. A/qasim is neither most educated somali nor has he any single attribute that makes him president except he happened to be Habargidir, ayr and trustworthy.

you seem confusing somali politics with American plotics.

In somali politics, everything comes down to power. and the most powerfull clan which happened to be hawiyye has to be president. they will not even come to Arta meeting if they were not assured they the presidency post is reserved for them. From the start, eveyone knew the president would be from hawiyye but didn't know what clan of hawiyye he would be--maybe Abgaal or Habar gidir.

so back to your question. A/qasim's election was based on merit when we are talking about among habadgidir candidates. He most appropriate candidate in the position.


But when we are talking free election open to all somalis, he is not appropriate candidate in the position not even close to.

and unfortunately there was no free election. It was election based on who can make peace today in mogadishu. And that is why he was elected. period.


Alipapa

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jikraar.

Saturday, September 16, 2000 - 11:14 pm
Alipapa.

Not a whole tribe can be described trustworthy. There is the good, the bad and the ugly. You overstated this time. Besides, one can deduce you have favoratism in your drums for Ayr. Anyway, I don't like your gutts. I have seen several things you wrote. My opinion of you is: You are one hell of an arrogant guy who thinks the world revolves around him.

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Huda

Sunday, September 17, 2000 - 01:07 pm
jikraar, you are astute!! To me Alipapa comes across as an insecure hiding under a macho armour.

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Alipapa

Sunday, September 17, 2000 - 03:22 pm
jikraar and huda;


let me tell you that you and i live completely different world. I used to live you caged and abusive world where so-called reputation and discipline counts. I no longer live that world.

Does ever occur to you that the last thing bothers Alipapa is some stupid comment on him written by some knuckle-head's children like you?.

If i care comment or what some morons write about me, i wouldn't write all those curse languaga i use. So please don't waste your time by defaming who cares no fame. just reminder!


And jikraar; ignorant is word only found in fool people's dictionery. and please if you don't like what i read, just skip.will you?


Alipapa

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Anonymous

Sunday, September 17, 2000 - 03:29 pm
Ali papa

First whats up with the caged and abusive world?Secondly why are you in emotionally cirisis.They just gave their honest opinions and why do i detect a different non eloquent ali papa from the rest of ali papa i normally see.well i suppose you lost your calm and composure therefore resulting in outburst cry.stay sober from anger bro.lol

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Alipapa

Monday, September 18, 2000 - 11:51 am
Anon;

Caged and abusive world is a world that most of somalis live in. Hardly seen is somali person expressing his/her thoughts freely without fearing of how others will judge him/her or label him/her. This affected the way we debate. And the result is marry-go-round debate---endless talk.

You see, you sometimes wonder if this person debating has a position to stand rather being relative to his/her opponent(s). He/she has no position because he/she is afraid of label.
that is what i called "caged and abusive world where it is hard one to let his/her stream of thought flow".

I have been many forumss and even in real life debates. i saw that somalis hardly debate you unless they locate your clan or label you to something else.

In somali culture it is very hard a person to be objective. to define objective is to say what you think about the issue at hand without locating or giving a damn who is your opponent(s). That is if you have something to say.

But if you 've nothing to say like those two above morons, then all you can do is attacking others/your opponents.


And about emotional crisis, well i forgot to take my prozac dose!!!.


and about those folks opinion, i guess, the topic is not alipapa. And to me that what is called "honest opinion on the subject"--not to attack other participants. Here we differ.


and lastly about you detecting non eloquent Alipapa, i guess it is only your eyes playing some kind of silly tircks on you. Alipapa never been eloquent. Alipapa was and is to be incoherent dude.


Alipapa

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Anonymous

Monday, September 18, 2000 - 11:56 am
ali papa

fair enough
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Here is a somali who will remain objective and express himself well.
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i think you are aretarded,schistophrenic-bastard who lost his keys to his brains operation section since 1990 from the civil war.
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and one more thing.I think you use the word 'locating' at the wrong time and you repeat twice.Its annoying!

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trueteller

Sunday, September 24, 2000 - 10:59 am
Good topic anchorlady,,,,here are the winners

1- best comedian = little billy
2- best answer: Waleed and Alipapa
3- best challenge: tarjumaan and jikraar ( my comment ur good in that keep the good work tarjumaan.
4- worst comment: huda, lady what can i say 2 u ,,, don't be so aggresive, and come up with ur oppinion.
5- best comment:trueteller u all better respect each others point of vieuw without insulting him or looking his/her clan,,, let's all 2gether build that country of us,,, i mean if u care that lol,, i know u do that son,,,,to daarot ppl just don't hate hawiyye that much,things happen ,, human fight 4 some useless reosons,,the samething to hawiyye,,may be they r little activer than us lol,,,, i disagree that personally,, and if so they r our fellow somalians,, they r not jews.
To darrot= and u don't have to exaggerate lol,,,, if ur that good we don't mind ,don't mention, we doing,lol,,,,,no hard feelings u all bro's sis's,,,,love u,,,peace,,,,,average nigga

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