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     | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 06:14 am Brothers and sisters let me enlighten you about the history of puntland.Some of you still think the name punt come out of the blues.One guy urgued why Majerteen use the name puntland.He thinks it originate from colonial days or the time of said Barqash.What he doesnt understand is that puntland existed for thousands of year.It is ancient and as old as Babillon and the other old time civilization.It is mentioned in a 3000 years old book writen by a phoenician traveller who come to visit Puntland.And all he had to say was good thing about puntland.Infact he loved the punt so much that he called his home.There was peace and prosperity in punt the same way it is today.And there was law and order.What striked him the most is how the king of punt did not oppressed his subject.Peopled used to say whatever they want about him in puplic places.And none of them were jailed or beheaded.This prove to you that puntland is one of the oldest democracies ever recorded on earth. Phoenicians are not the only ones who mentioned punt.To the ancient Egypt puntland was holyland.It was a must for every Egyptian king to visit the holy land when crowned.Three thousnad years ago the king of punt sent a giraffe to the emperor of China as a gift.and that caused alot of sensation in China.And this is recorded in the Chanise history.Nebuchanezer the king of Babilon who build the hunging garden which is one of the seven wonders of the world asked for the help of the king of punt when sarounded by the formidable forces of his enemies.the king of punt sent him elephant to for his armies.In ancient time elephant was like an army tank of today. So brothers and sisters i hope you have at least un idea of what the name Puntland stands for.The history of punt is vast and old and i can not say everything about it in few words.So those of you who say that majerteen should use Majerteenland instead of puntland,at least now you know why. This is for the puntlanders,Please feel proud of punt,and defend it with all your heart and soul and every drop of blood in your vains and let puntland live for thousands of years to come.see you again brothers and sisters of punt.Wassallam aleikum warahmatulahi wabarakatu.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 07:19 am Or history of Butanoland.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 07:59 am War midkan Tony-Blair-somaliland isugu yeerayow noqo waxa aad tahay koley uun Hawaiye miririfle baad tahayee. ha ku ciyaarin magaca magaca somaliland.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 08:28 am Anonymous: That guy is not from Somaliland. he just wants to change this into Isaq/Maj fight. We, the real somalilanders don't even use the word butano so the guy musy be either Real Faqash marehan or Haawwiye. I have no love for the Mjertens but this anonymous guy pissed me off.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 10:05 am somalilander you are write butano is a word used in the south.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 10:36 am you have mentioned many anecdotes related to Puntland history but the question is before 3000 years ago who was the king that you refer as the defender of democracy, a good leader, Somali or an alien? as far as I know the name Puntland was used many years go to describe the '' Frankincence'' which grows that part of the world. there used to be commercial links between the Puntland rulers of that time and many kingdoms around the world mainly Arabs. I if you know any books about Puntland history OR Somalia history please send their ISPN TO: maday84@hotmail.com
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 01:59 pm abdirisaak iam proud of you, you open my eyes. lol ladan
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 04:00 pm majeerteen = Puntlnad is that all what you want to tell us .dump.. Puntalnd waxay masaaridu u yaqaaneen inta u dhaxaysa Bosaso ilaa Miis iyo maydh. inta badannaa waa inta Fooxa laga helo.. so don't bullshit you Mother fucker..
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 04:00 pm majeerteen = Puntlnad is that all what you want to tell us .dump.. Puntalnd waxay masaaridu u yaqaaneen inta u dhaxaysa Bosaso ilaa Xiis iyo maydh. inta badannaa waa inta Fooxa laga helo.. so don't bullshit you Mother fucker..
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:43 am I DO NOT THINK THAT MR ABDIRISAQ MENTIONED ANY TRIBE IN HIS STATEMENT. BUT I KNOW THAT MOST DAROODS CAME FROM THAT AREA, THE PROOF IS TODAY YOU CAN SEE MANY PLACES IN PUNTLAND THE SHRINES OF THEIR ANCESTERS..BUT I CAN NOT CONFIRM WHETHER DAROODS WERE THERE 3000 YEARS AGO...
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 03:57 am TO:ANONYMOUS Thank you for calling me MOTHER-FUCKER . TO: MADAY Brother i dont have the books with me at the moment,but iam sure you can find them if you really dig enough the same way i did. TO:GURET I did not mention any clan,because i will be wrong if i say majerteen only lived there.Puntland is the origin of all Darood.I dont have any proof Darood were there 3000yrs ago.But the word Darood explains everthing if you look closely.The question is what does it really mean?. DAAR OOD.split them into two words.'DAR' means manoment or large building.'OOD' means to build. So together they mean "THE BUILDER OF MANOMENT". They could be any type of biulding,but large and masssive.and thier evidence still exist and is dotted throught the coastline of punland. This name was given by the hawiyes and who ever else live nearby.Naturally they were nomads or hunter-gatherers.The only name they could identify the people of the north east was DAROOD.To them this buildings were larger than life.A toal wonder. and finally to ladan,iam glad i made your day sister.
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:00 am i am realy feel so excited about the way you discribe the word PUNTLAND whatever it means i bleive it that it is aword just like SOMALIA and no group can't say we belong it. just my understandingthank you
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:30 am ANONYMOUS: Iam clad you are finally happy and feel at home.take care.
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 08:19 am ANONYMOUS: Iam glad you are finally happy and feel at home.
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:33 am TO Abdirisaq it seems to me you know more about the history of Puntland. My question to you is was darood the native of North East of Somalia or was he immagranted from foreign land. I Heard many conflicting stories about this matter. The Hawiye and Dir were in Somalia when Darood came to Somalia. I also heard when Darood encountered first time the Hawiye and Dir they asked him who he was, Darood said ''Dara duni'' which literally means in arabic''they thrown me out''or they sent me into exile which suggests that he had relative across the sea. His new companions could not say the word properly and they called him Darood. Jaberti ismail was the name known to DAROOD Among his people, there are many descendants from JABERTI around the globe especially in and around the red sea.. please comment.. XAGAR
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:11 pm To: Xagar In respond to your quiries regarding Origin of darood, there has been many contradicting story based on false ideas and Arabisation, in which Arabs created in order to subliminally control somalian race, and make them believe that they been originated outside somali (presumed somalis would buy as you can see they did). I been doing great reseach for that subject in the last ten years, based on what I been told since birth, and non of those stories are true.they are based on lie, specially the one that says some folks are from arabs originally such as daroods,it is sad to say that we are ignorant about who we are and where we from (somalian). finally I respect the time of viewrs have in this place. all I can tell you is there is no true history based about somalis and soon I will post my homepage if you need more info about the research I have done in the past. I am Majeerteen (by Birth) in order to avoid confusion among my fellow countryman who might or might not believe the idea of Arabs. I solute you all and may allah bring lasting peace to my country. Liibaan liibaan@writeme.com
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 02:24 pm salan dhaman, i like 2 say a couple of things, first of all i'm puntland region as well( sanaag AND bari) and i'm NOT majeerteen so that shows the majeerteen arent the only somali people that live there, but infact there are eastern isaaq's and other darood's such as warsangaly & dhulbahnta who also live there. secondly you are all seem to be categorising PUNTLAND as being majeerteen land and that is clearly non-sense, why? because the area between sanaag & bari is where the FUUX grows right, so that means that in oredr 2 reach that area its a must 2 travel through awdal, waqoyii galbaad,tugdheer and sool which are all parts of somalialnd region. so my point is that all the above mentioned regions will have to be considered as being part of puntland, which clearly shows that all of ancient somalia will also have to be considered as part of ancient PUNTLAND( that is including the south) becuase again if you are coming from the SUB-SAHARAN Africa than its a must to travel through the southern and central regions in order to reach the FUUX land or the north east of the country. so as i explained above the whole of the ancient somalia could quite logically be considered as being the kingdom of puntland( and not only the north east). my other point is about the origins if darood. i personally completly and utterly disagree with the ancient idea and myth of tribelism which we as somalians do more than any other people on the face of this earth beleive and USE. still because its inscapable ( i'll like 2 clearify that i'm warsangly)... i do not completly believ that somalians are full Arabs nor that they are full Black Africans, but i firmly believe that they are a mixture of the 2 plus ETHIOPIANS where ever they might originally be from. so basiclly whether be darood, isaaq, hawiya or any other modern somali tribe its more than likely taht we came from same origin what ever it might be. my theory is purely based on analysing our complexions as a somali nation as whole, we have many very identical and strong complexions, which quite clearly shows our bi-originalism..of 2,3 or even more cultures and races. because there is no concrite ancient somali history, my recomandation however obivous it might be is; to never mind who and where we think we originally came from or who we think we had shared blood with at least 100years ago (possible current somali nation history)... but actually try and concentrate on now ..today the present moment in time..we are now or shal i say was 1 nation of people who share very identical and unique characterstics such as religion, culutre, language and complextion...and this only shows that we are greatier than a nation of clans but we are actually a nation of people from the same origin ultimatly through inter marriage, etc.. so as a young somali man i believe that the time has arrived for us to wake up and realise that we are a nation a not a tribe..and that we are in global competiton with other nations and not with the members of the other clan... COME ON SOMALAINS.......OPEN YOUR EYES THANK YOU AND SALAM CALAYKUM WAA RAXAMATU LAHI WA BARAKATU.
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 02:52 pm Good points Mr, Mrs, or miss..Somali but no one said Puntland is for Majerteen, correct me if Iam wrong.. and by the way the name Majerteen is not just Majerten as a tribe, Majerteen, Warsangeli and Dishiisle are BAH Majerteen (Maternal)..
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 03:32 pm I would like to say here that as somali now no matter where we might have originated from.We should allthe respect our tradition,hitory roots monuments and above all the respect for one another. We somalis are very narrow minded people and always look at things from tribal prospects rather than as the whole picture.If we see something that was published and don't like we straight away label it oh'it's HAWIYE,DIR ISAAQ or DAAROOD. As we have seen a bove somebody claims the word PUNTLAND existed quite along time ago and as I know the EGYPTIAN used to call that part of somalia as PUNT.We as somalis should respect that and carry out a research if we feel we don't like what has been so far being published. Somalis I hope we all grow up and act as intelligent creatures
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 03:44 pm All you???????????????•••• you Why did you all taking about Clan •••• the clan and •••• you all for get the fucking clans.please all you Neggus taking about clans stop. all the somalians are brothers and sisters. so those who always taking qabiil again •••• you u aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa dumt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this neggeh from R.T S.gan for life beach?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????sug myliiiiiiiiiiiiips
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 03:13 pm To Hagar: You clarified somehting which was causing misunderstanding,about who is Majerteen.Your definition of majerteen as, BAH MAJERTEEN,is perfect and no one would feel left behind or excluded.I believe that is how it should have being in the first place.But somehow in long duration of time memory faded and some of the clan members drifted away.At least now we all know,thanks to hagar, that we are one. You,hagar. asked me about Darood's origin,Well as far as i know Puntland and early Egypt was one nation of same people,but of a diferent geogrphical locations,It is not clear yet if people of Punt migrated to Egypt or verse visa.Darood was a son of a king presumably Egypt.He had two brothers.he was the yougest of the three. and darood was the favorate of the king.And he was supposed to inherit him.The two older brothers had their own plan and were wating for the king to die.When he died they forcfully expalled thier younger brother from the land.They sealled him in a boat let him loose in the red sea.Darood some how found his way and the only land he knew was Punt and he headed that way.He started his kingdom in punt with all those who supported him.He also tried to regain his rightful throne in Egypt,but was not successful.that is how he got the name Daar Oood.The language spoken in punt was the same language spoken in Egypt.And that was the same as present day somali language.I know if i go too deep into this story, alot of people will feel either left out or offended.So iam gonna end here. And finally to anonymous.I understand your frustration when you read something about tribalism.Properbly you are a young man ,a teenager if iam not wrong.Young brother let me tell you something,tribalism is what caused all our problems,if it wasnt for that we wouldnt be here today rocketing clan insults on each others.We would have been in a beautiful,country with law and order,strong economy,super highways,Lush green landscape with farms and beautiful green vegetation.With mighty metropolitan mega cities,with schools,hospiatls and industries of all kind.if it wasnt for clanism today you wouldnt be a son of a refugee,hopelessly without land and future,otherwise you would be sitting in a university lecture room or a lab trying to figure out how you could reach the other end of the universe. I dont care what clan you are be it hawiye darood or isaaq .to me you are young innocent somali boy whos life is turned upside down by a society intoxicated with clan.My life is being turned upside douwn by clanism which i never believed before.So it is there waiting for us all,in order to devour and rob us of our fundamental human right and dignity. So the question is to every one .are we just gonna sit down and do nothing about it? or study it and understand it the way Allah intended it to be,and stop those those who use it as a tool of destruction in order to achieve selfish end. ALLAH{S.W.A} said in the Holy Quraan, "OH! YOU MANKIND WE HAVE CREATED YOU INTO MALE AND FEMAL AND DIVIDED YOU INTO NATIONS AND TRIBE,SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW ONE ANOTHER,NOT THAT YOU MAY DESPISE ONE ANOTHER.SURELY THE BEST OF YOU IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH IS HE/SHE WHO FEAR ALLAH THE MOST" So brother dont get me wrong iam just trying to find a way out this darkness.And i dont wanna what happened to my generation happen to your generation and those who follow.I wanna leave behind better world than the one i inherited from my fathers generation.So peace with you young bro.
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 04:50 pm hello again, anonymous my brother/sister we are very lucky because the likes of you and me as young somalians who grew up in the exile, dont believe in tribelism becuase we havent experineced it in action and because we have and witnessed seen how other people CAN AND DO live together in piece and harmony although they might be black, white, brown, yellow, catholics, protestants, jews, sikhs, hindous( and many more of the indian rubish religions) and ultimatly the true religion our religion ISLAM. but at the same time its a real sad fact and reality that many of our fellow young people in somalia actually live and experience complete opposite life 2 the one we enjoy, their lives are full of tribelism and hatred, ITS NOT THEIR FOULT BY ANY MEANS BUT ITS THE FOULT OF TRIBELISM IDEA AND WARLORDS..WHO SO PURPOUSFULLY FUEL IT..MORE AND MORE its our duty as inlightend brothers and sisters to educate our not so fourtunate brothers and sisters in back home...sooner or later. THIS IS A VERY SERIUOS APPEAL...WE GET 2 STAND UP AND BE COUNTED...WE GET 2 EDUCATE EACH OTHER FOR THE SAKE OUR SELFS, OUR COUNTRY, OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND MOST POWEFULY FOR GOD SAKE. PIECE OUT...INSHALAH TRIBELISM WILL BE BURIED 4 EVER...FOR US BY US ps; its Mr i'm somali (no matter what)
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| | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 01:36 pm Asalamu Allaikum to you all brothers and sisters. I beleive that every one of you made great contributions to this historical facts.. throughout this discussions you were in your best of manners..you did not offend anyone ..in my opinion. Lets us use the internet in a good way of exchanging knowlede and what is best for our community. keep in touch.. Hagar, London
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