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Hakima

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 07:24 am
Salaam alaykum,

Dear somalis,

I have heard that the Abgal & Saacaad subclans
were originally from the Darood tribe.

Is that true?

Thanks,...

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me

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 08:02 am
w/c salaam sis

well i thought the Abgal was from the Hawiye tribe...but i'm not sure.

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Ice-Man

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 01:05 pm
I know you are very sincere but the Question you posted is an insult to great dynasty tribe.


Abgaal Don't have a brain so they can't be Daarood

Sacaad they were, servant and slave the great King Kenadiid, and we don't make our people slaves .
Sacaad use to sang this lovley Song
"who is the man on the roof?"
"Suldaan Kenadiid"
"Who is the man on the ground"
His slaves
Honest to god its fact

Don't get offended guys that was history
Later

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Hakima

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 02:37 am
Dear Ice,

I don't think that what i have posted was an insult,rather a question. And, it will be such a nice character of you if you don't use an abusive language.

Secondly, that information i have heard from a darood guy. But since my knowledge of somali history is limited and have no sources to find out, i thought posting it here. Maybe i'll get diferent narrations... Not Insults :-)

peace...

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wanaagsane

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 03:45 am
my dear hakima!

You have posed an innocent question but got harsh replies.... It is a pity !

we have fools here and everywhere that love the art of writing in this fashion.

As to your question, i believe the whole thing about tribes is built on a myth. A myth that these fools try to use as facts.

I asked a friend of mine (who hates also tribalism), and the answer I got was that those tribes never belonged to any clan than the ones they claim.

I hope i have answered your question

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Ice-Man

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 11:29 am
Wanaagsane listen express your beliefs with out judging me,You don't know me,and it looks like you judge what people say online Good or bad that makes you gullible creature and you are in deep trouble,


Hakima I don't use Abusive language or an insult. and the reason is I can express my self with out using bad language and I don't think I used vulgar language my earlier post. but if I did to you,(personally) accept my apology, but I still stand what I posted

Thanks and later

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jinoole

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 11:40 am
TO: ICE-MAN:

so they were slaves huh,and who are the slaves now ahhahahahhhhhhaaa,your people rigtht,right,the daroods.

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RICHGIRL

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 11:52 am
ICE-MAN
I know U.....Aint U the FARAX that sells Jaad in my vicinity?????Well Take a shower coz U scaring the natives.

HAKIMA
I don't think they are in the Darood clan sis....coz I asked a few elderly ppl and their answer was NOPE

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Ice-Man

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 12:49 pm
Someone who rides Donkey can't be one of us

RichGirl I don't chew that gross Qad let a long selling it,,,,,,,,LOL

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US marine

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 06:49 pm
ice man. thanx.
i am not of those tribes, but u claiming u never used insult words? danm pls take ur sjit out of this forums.
hakima. i would prefer u not to bring this question here, but no problem the answer is nope..

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US marine

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 06:49 pm
ice man. thanx.
i am not of those tribes, but u claiming u never used insult words? danm pls take ur sjit out of this forums.
hakima. i would prefer u not to bring this question here, but no problem the answer is nope..

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wanaagsane

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 10:01 pm
Ice man!

What???? did i judge you?....I never did...

By the way stop calling people donkeys etc... This is insulting...call me a judgemental person, but bro, is what you are doing really good?..


Bro, do u think your tribe will save you on judgement day?...why are u insulting other somalis?
Hakima!

did we answer your question?

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MAD MAC

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 10:32 pm
This is my favorite subject: Name that clan. Sa'ad is obviously a sub-clan of the Haber Gedir. Both the Haber Gedir and the Abgal have a common ancestor in Hirab. Hence the term the sons of Hirab. Hirab is Hawiiyee, so to answer you question, both Abgal and Sa'ad are Hawiiyee (I had to mispell that to get past the censors).

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Amiin

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 05:59 am
After reading the above a question has come to me ,if all Somalis belong to a tribe do these tribes have a common ancestor? (eg the Arabs have many tribes but they are all descendents of prophet Ibrahim AS)

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ilkacase

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 07:11 pm
Ice-man

Clearly you are defeated if you find yourself comfortable in defending stone-age history, Sacad,respectable people, have managed to organize Hawiye in defeating the late Daarood Dynasty. That is irrefutable fact. But there is more, then we moved on to Defend Somali sovereignty by defeating Clinton and his ants, the UN. Where were you at that time? Some people say that you were waging Holy-war against Giiryaamo at the great battle of Utanga.

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MAD MAC

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 03:37 am
ilkacase
What the hell are you talking about??? I do not remember him asking for details on Sa'ad military exploits (or pathetic behavior) at any time on this thread.

Amiin
Theoretically, of the four Soomal clans (Dir, Issaaq, Daarood and Haawiiya) their common ancestor is Soomal. The two Sab clans (Digil and Rahanweyne), to my knowledge, are collections of different clans in acutality and do not have a common ancestor except those who are sort of like converted Hawiye. Hope this clarifies things.

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Hakima

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 04:35 am
Mac,

Where the hell you got that information?
My father is isaaq and my mum is darood...both of them have different versions of where they came from. None of them said that they had common ancestor.
About Dir, I have read a book couple of yrs ago,
that somali people were Dir & Darood.
Isaaq, Hawiye and others come under Dir!!
But again, people i ask say different things.
And, about soomaal word, i have heard a funny story how it was coined. But definitely, it was not the name of a man!!

peace...

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Hibo

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 08:05 am
Hakima... I couldn't agree less... sis.. though my parents particularly similar to urs... have the same say...not that triblism..interests me.. infact i dispise it.
Mad Mac: keep the info..coming bro.. u sure seem to have lots of knowledge about the Somali society as a whole...given who u claim to be...interesting I might say.

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MAD MAC

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 08:26 am
Just goes to show you how convoluted the whole clan thing can be. Hakima, I got my info from a couple of different books and also from a couple of different people. BUT, Iäll be the first to admit there are doubtless other versions.

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Arawello

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 09:05 am
To all

You see that is another problem does it matter wheehter they were Hawiye or daarood

What even makes me more angry is when I saw Somnali poeple access to the internet misuse their oppurtunities


at the beggining I personally disagreed when Mad Mac sees Languages as an advantage that Somalis had after diaspora For nuber of reasons ( but i will not talk about it now) but now it seem to me that many Somalis misuse that knowledge

When I say does it matter I do not mean we can avoid the clan system that exist in our society and that it is a problem....... but what I find disgusting is that is it our priority for those us living in the West between the ages of 18--35

It will be good if we try individually to come over our personal crises then we can be something for our country

I daily see Somaliwomen with different problems
and none of them their problems related to clanism

They were talking short of money , unemployment etc

The Somalimen I often see to me they are quite strangers( I was born and grew up in Somalia ) the ithing is if they are not a member of their tribes they will disagree with you ( I am not talking about marriages because i know we somalis still marry the other clans that we think we hate)

What do ypou think

Arawello

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T-GIRL

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 01:49 pm
ICE-MAN
I have never come across such a hate infested human like yourself. I am so ashamed to say that U R a SOMALIAN & a pathetic excuse for a human being. U disgust me and I don't say that scarecly. UR name actually suits U....U R as cold and as lame as ICE

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Yare

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 02:01 pm
To:ICE MAN

What makes u create another topic here, there is one already and can you please stop the hate damn
is year 2000 remember we need to go forward not backward.

I hate qabiil.

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Hakima

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 03:56 pm
Dear Arawello,


I know what you are talking about.
But for me...this is nothing but a mere search for knowledge. You have to put in mind that everyone is not like you...in terms that you had been a good portion of your life in somalia. So, what i m aiming that i get an answer for, you probably know it...see you are the one who is advantaged.

peace...

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Ice-Man

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 03:59 pm
Guys I posted two weeks Ago why even bother now read it and leave it like its,

T-Girl Who said I am Somali? before you even feel ashamed?
Disgusted?....really hmmmmmm
No Comment

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mohamed

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 07:04 pm
c/s hakima
due to this deep rooted qabiil sickness we somalis suffer from i advice u to withdraw ur original question


thank you

your somali brother mohamed

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Arawello

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:35 am
To Hakima

No I do not have agood portion of living there I was not that old when we left Somalia when I say grew up I mean I was not born and do not have another language and culture as my first one

Believe me I learnt all this tribes in Here I heard some of them and mine especially

So my question what is the knowledge you did get.

Arawello

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Hakima

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:00 am
Dear Mohamed,

Don't you think if we are sick,then, it is time that we cure ourselves.

Dear Arawello,
I am 25yrs old and when i left somalia i was six years old. This subject really interests me & I have no political aims at it.When I looked at the historical perspective, I wondered why do we have so many versions regarding who we are? I can literally write dozens of papers about Pharoahs but can't say i can do that regarding somali history.You asked me...what knowledge i get? all i want is just one true version that we all can agree on rather than the heard & say method that i have noticed that we deeply rely on.
By the way, the question that i have posted i also have heard it from my mother who is a very intellectual lady. So, if that was true, then,
a new info i gained, if not, then, there was no harm done.
peace...

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Axoow (Axoow)

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 07:44 am
Hakima, sis when I c ur topic I clicked rite away, I thought u were talking about education or something has very interested........when I have read u turn me off, the same old story "QABIIL".

Hakima, I wish ur topic title was "QABILL Question".....I know someone like me never clicked that topic, coz I'm sick and tired that kind of topic, we have to move on!!!!

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Waryaa--Ayuuto

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 03:00 pm
Salama...{Only to the MUSLIMS}

Hakima:

Sister, first and foremost, it is, yes, good to know where those sub-clans really originated from. However, I will let you define their names--Abgaal and Sacad--and trace to history.

History is the naked truth and reality check.

So, ask those anyone. I will be the first.

Abgaal:

Historically, Ab-GAAL is a RaxWeyn or Reewin title. As you can guess or see it, Ab-gaal definitely is a Maay-Maay lingo.

Gaal in Maay-Maay literally denotes Geel--yes, Geel or Camel.

Ab--I am not certainly sure or not remember--is some form of family--a branch of a family...Qoys.

It derives from Abba, a father in both Carabic and Hebrew. In short, thus, is Ab.

Therefore, it is a Father/Family/Abba of Geel/Camel. Ab-Gaal.

I am not ascertain about those facts but I had read in a well acclaimed book.

I hope this helps you a bit.

Sacad--I know not, and I refrain from any speculation.

Quite Peace--Nabadeey!!

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Hakima

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 03:52 pm
Thanks to who ever attempted to answer my question. And please don't link tribalism with somali politics...though that might seem hard to some of you...but trying it won't hurt :-)

SOMALIA IS FOR SOMALIS


peace...

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