     Anonymous | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 09:47 am
I love our current flag, but it is too plan. Just blue and a white star. I think we need something new. What do you people think. |
| Ice-Man | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:00 am
Somali Flag didn't commit any crime why replace it? |
| jiijo_jiip | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 12:10 pm
hellllllllll noooooooooooo
we like our old flag, |
| yaabsan | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 01:13 pm
our flag is beautif, the star means the five regions of Somalia:
Dejabouti
North
Ogadeen
South
Insha-Allah oneday we will be united, defeat the enemies and rule the world with Allahs help,AMIIN. We only need to be a good and the path will be easy. |
| raghe | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 01:19 pm
i believe we have the best flag in the world.
and it's beautiful. like you said blue& a 5 stars. if you know the meaning our flag. then you realize. is the best and great to have that flag.
god bless him cawaale!! |
| Anonymous | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 03:59 pm
Enough said, I see we all love our current flag. And no one can argue with that I guess. |
| Waleed | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 04:20 pm
Our tiny, complex, and contradicting BRAIN tells us to love our flag, but kill one another. A flag is a piece of cloth which you may or may not whipe your sknny ass with it. What you need to do is LOVE one another you MORONS. |
| MAD MAC | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:47 pm
Waleed - Harsh but true.
Yabsaan - Did I correctly understand that with a nation of somewhere around 12 million folks (including NFD, Djibouti and Ogaden) you plan to rule the world. And you think if Somalis just follow Islam this will be easy? Ahhh, could you detail your plan a little more because I would just love to hear this. Also, it's a five pointed star not a four pointed something. The fifth point stands for the NFD.
I agree that Somalia should not change its flag but Somlais should tone down the irredentist rhetoric. |
| Ali | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 08:31 am
Mac Mac here we go size doesn't matter neither quantity . let me give you a bit of history Changes Khan and his few Mongolians didn't defeat China and then conquer the world, because of size or quantity
flags are symbols of nations,that makes whole flag issue irrelevant, since we don't have a nation. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 08:51 am
You have a nation, you don't have a state. |
| Change -it | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 11:11 am
It should change no question about that. Somalia is a different country today Nothing is the same,
The Flag should change to reflect this reality. Many innocent Children died for no other reason but just because they were In the wrong country ---there own country. The Flag should at least recognise the innocent who died in this dark era of our history. They should put RED dots on the flag to represent the blood that was spilled FOR Nothing ! |
| Yaabsan | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:18 pm
To MAD MAC
IF I TELL U WOULD YOU HELP, I WILL MAKE U PM.
WHAT DO U SAY? |
| Alyisa | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 04:12 pm
Raise the somali flag? Nationlism is haram apparently not too many of us understand this and our country won't be in peace until we do. They divided us through nationalism, they drew boarder lines and put a piece of cloth in our hands and told us to dance around and be proud because this piece of cloth is our identity when infact our identity is Islam. Now we have a new gov'd who's ready to implement man made laws.....you'd think we'd learn after 10yrs of bloodshed.
There's only one flag that deserves to be raised and that flag is the MUSLIM flag with the establishment of Khilafah. |
| AHMED | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 04:25 pm
I AGREE WITH CHANGE IT I THINK U SHOULD HAVE LITTLE DOTS OF REDS INDICATING IN HONOR OF ALL THOSE LIVES WE LOST IN THE CIVIL WAR, |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 01:04 am
Alyisa
Maybe nationalism is Haram, maybe it isn't. But in the modern world, Somalis need to have representation. Nationalism isn't what tore Somalia apart. Tribalism did that. Had Somalis placed their nation ahead of Clan, the viciousness of the last 12 years wouldn't have happened - at least not to the degree that it did. True enough, nationalism causes its own ills. But if the Somalis do not establish a national government what kind of government can they establish? what are the borders of the authority of the Khalifa you advise? Does this Khalifa rule all Muslims? If he does, who chooses him or them? You see the problem? As Asad has highlighted many times, Islamic cuontries are littered with hypocrites. He states that if/when this changes then this Islamic state will achieve peace and harmony. Maybe so. But no one has yet discovered a formula for how to achieve this nirvana. In the meanwhile, you have to deal with the here and now. And right now Somalia needs a functioning government which can protect the interests of the Somali people. You remind me of a conversation I posted here a while back. P.J. O'Rourke went back to his old university. There, a student in a government class said he thought it was unfair the way presidents of large corporations made lots of money while the workers made hardly any. Doubtless this is unfair. But the corporation has shareholders, boards of directors, workers and customers who can not buy stock, hire and fire people, strike and boycott the product if they don't like the corporate pay stucture. From whom would these individual freedoms be taken away, and to whom would the power of deciding what's fair be given? The student wasn't sure. "But it's unfair" he said. |
| cade | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 07:18 am
actually, as mark of respect last time, I seen somali flag I pissed on it, cuz before films start in the cinema back home, they used to make everyone stand up while the sky blue flag with five point white star is show on screen for good few minutes, It was irritating and i never liked the dang thingy ever since, if we keeping the same one, they better not make anyone stand up for it otherwise not next time I get hold of it, i will burn it big time. what you say? |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 09:44 am
That white Star in the Middle should be turned into a RED STAR. |
| mahdi | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 10:10 am
ICE-MAN,,,,,you always starting some bullshyt man,,,,,what the hell do you mean somali flag didn't commit no crime. then who comitted, don't tell me tribes and qabiil crap...
it was the government who comited, and ani't blamming anybody since that government is gone except the flag.
yes, i strongly bleive that somali flag should be changed. |
| Ice-Man | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:57 am
Listen Fool
Our Flag didn't commit any crime I will say it Again loud. Government and people under that system did the crime This Flag was here before Siyad Bare and Will stay for many years to come, its very naive to think people should change their flag every time they had a civil war
let me Answer you Question .. want to know who committed the crimes Human Human Human Human being not a Flag
Our Flag stands for Freedom liberty, justice, dignity, and The Union of our Land I pray every day to see our Flag flies from Near Nairobi to Asmara
Horn of Africa belong to Somalis |
| SABAX | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:08 pm
ICE MAN LOL
WE LIVE THE STONE AGE.....N THE FLAG OF SOMALIA SHALL FLY ..SHALL BE....WILL ALWAYZ BE...THE SUNRISE N DA MORNING STAR...UPON OUR BLACK HEADZ
TRUE SOMALI |
| Xoogsade | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:19 pm
That flag was disaster itself. May we never see it again. 40 continous years of disaster. Every one should retreat to his part of the land and make their own flag, no more disastrous BLUE. |
| DDARRODD-DHABE | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:39 pm
what lifes that we lost are you guys talking about
those who died were the slow motion suckers who could not react fast
so tell me if you are talking about the DARROOD FAGS THAT WE KILL they were not human.
fuckinggg animals i recall one day when i saw a DARROD BITCH TAKING IT UP THE ASS this USC guy was doing her and he was fuckking her in the asss
his dick was so far up her ass she started pissing
we were all watching it as she sucked dickk off the HAWIYE JUICE
THAT IS THE PRIDE OF THE USC ASS HOLE DARROODS GET USE TO IT SUCKERS |
| Somali-Yankee | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 06:28 am
Darood...dhabe i think that was your sister taking up ass.....yu were hallucinating i guess..yu must been high....?
God bless all those who died no matter where they came from.
peace |
| anon | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 08:09 am
another isaaaq trying to divide the south. why cant you claim to be your own tribe instead of being someone you are not. |
| Anonymous | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 04:02 pm
look people this is about our countries flag; not about Darood...dhabe sisters taking it up the ass. Can we not talk like normal grown up people about a seroius subject without acting like clowns. |
| Hello | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 04:56 pm
I cant believe this Who is dividing the South. is it the people on the internet or those five presidents who are each controling a corner of the City ? |
| Anonymous | Saturday, November 04, 2000 - 06:03 am
Look a flag doesn't have to be the best looking flag, but as long as it has a meaning; then I see no problem with it. Lets keeps the blue and white flag, if it means so much to use. |
| uk inteligents | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 07:54 am
i personaly think that the south should stick to their blue and white flag and the northerners should stick to their dazzling colours. big up to all the northerners from allover the globe and its coming from the uk intelligents |
| Ayuuto-Macruuf-Waryaa | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 08:44 am
Salama...
Only to be added, if any means or possible, the Crescent of Islam. The pictogram, symbol of Islam. Thus, we'd have a big Crescent with a bright shining Star--and a light blue, the likeness of the sky.
What a Flag would it be, then!
__________________
Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mahad Alla!!
Quite Peace!! |
| DuH | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 09:16 am
I say change the flag to have a meaning.Blue and a star...what meaning it got? make it black & jaad on the center.Black = black a$$ people and the jaad...our main food. |
| MISS SOMALI | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 03:32 am
People i think you all need help big time coz to think we should change the only thing that remains in our country is crazy no even more than that. come on we all had problems sometime in our lives but we should be proud of our flag coz it means more than a star and blue backgroung. Did german change its flag when they lost the world war, no than why should we, we are not less than german in fact we worth more than they are, so lets keep our flag and lets work hard in thinking ways to making it better not ways to destory it.
you know the saying that goes " what goes around comes around" this war could had happened to any of these country you are living in now. |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 03:40 am
Miss Somali
In answer to your intended rhetorical question, did the Germans change their flag after they lost the world war? The answer is yes, not no. In fact, they changed it after they lost WW I and the imperial government collapsed, and they changed it after WW II when the swastika was banned.
I would say the Germans have a few more accomplishments in the grand scheme of things than the Somalis, although their historical capacity for reprehensible behavior was also impressive.
But I do agree Somalia should leave the flag alone. |
| Hibo | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 03:59 am
I love our flag....Plain it was u said bro.....what is more beaituful than simplicity!!
Its just gorgeous..
MadMac: Just curious bro, how come u know so much about Somalis and Somalia.. Did we facinate u back home..or u r a encyclopedia all ready to gulp anything n everything.....no offense.. just curious!! |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 04:24 am
Hibo
Well abai, that's a long story. To make a long story short, I lived in Somalia for one year, during operations Restore and Continue Hope. I am an intelligence officer, so it's my job to learn about the "enemy". In this case, I had to learn about Somali social structure, since the Haber Gedir were not a conventional enemy. This led to me studying a lot about the culture. After we left, I was disappointed that we did not see the mission trhough to successful completion. This, coupled with the fact that one of my soldiers was killed there, and my wife left me because of my time deployed there, made me a little obsessive about the place. I guess you'd say all the pieces fit together. And on top of all of that, I liked it there. I like the culture, the food, the women, the weather. I just like it there. I am very comfortable around Somalis. I like talking with them and arguing with them. I just think they're cool. And I love watching them get mad. It's so easy to stir up the hornets nest and it's a hell of a lot of fun. Just sit around a campfire and say "look, the Ogaden is Ethiopian and rightfully so" and watch the sparks fly. |
| Hibo | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 07:06 am
Mad Mac: I must say.. I am thrilled.. infact inspired by ur response. It was more or less what I anticipated. Thnx. However interesting it would be to see u try to flare up my rage...lol.. I guess I can only imagine that ha... lol.. Just curious u know..
U said u liked the women too.. I thought we were too conservative for ur taste... or I got the wrong presumptions? Did u learn the language I wonder...coz.. I know we r rich in literature. I assume anything that would interest a foreigner would be our literature. |
| SOMALILANDER | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 08:46 am
I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD CHANGE YOUR FLAG TO THE SOMALILAND FLAG. THE CAPITAL OF SOMALIA SHOULD ASLO BE CHANGED FROM MUGDISHO TO HARGAISA. |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 12:07 am
Hibo
My somali is pathetic. And although I understand Somalis have a knack for poetry, I am not able to appreciate it. But I love you politics. Well, it's sort of a love / hate relationship. As for Somali woman, some are conservative and some are not. They're certainly not throwing themselves at you. Esspecially me, being white and gaal. Still, I have had two Somali girlfriends, one was exceptionally attractive and one was exceptioinally nice. However, they kept their relationship with me a secret (and I was obliged to do the same) because they were afraid to tell anyone they were dating a gaal. I knew one girl I really liked, but although we talked about it, she wouldn't have a relationship with me because I'm gaal. I probably would have married that girl. And I have another friend, also named Hibo, whom I'm very close to in a sisterly sort of way. She's just a great person. And I love her family. I do not find Somali woman too conservative, but it is true that although I can fit into the culture without a problem, at the end of the day I'm still a gaal. And being white as a polar bear doesn't help. At any rate I have a truly sweet woman now, so at least for the present, the issue is moot. |
| Hibo | Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 07:58 am
Mad Mac: Its true, what u have just said about us women. But ur inability to appreciate the poetry didn't come as a surprise rather an expectation...considering u as a Gaal .. who doesn't speak the language. No matter how well or how perfect the translator might be, the translation will never savour the exquisiteness of the poetry. Its great to see u merge with the Somalis... we always wlc a new comer or may I say, ex soldier. I have a guy friend of mine, who goes to the same college i do. He went to Somalia too, during the civil war. He likes the place, n plans to go back one day. What can I say we r off the hook....lol.. Don't be rolling ur eyeballs, I am not done with the flattery yet! Glad to hear about ur woman... I sure hope she suits u well.
Politics has never been my like, n I don't take passion in it. U know it better than I do. N Boy I am glad u have ur tenticles all tied up! If u know what i mean... no sarcasim..its straight from the heart!..Friendship with us is better than enemity..so watch out dawg... don't be messing with ur women! |
| Arawelo | Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 08:52 am
MM,
So you could not marry her, I think I can understand that.
My point of the changing the flag; No problem keep it...it looks nice.... and has not commit any crime anyway. |
| us marine | Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 12:09 pm
somali udiida ceb naftiina udiida ceb.
you all remember the great song of the sister maryan mursal. pls we need that flag, what about the yrs b4 the cival war. the is the flag our grand grand parent shaded there blood to free somalia from the colonials. And today all of suden we say •••• them. our flag has meaning as the brother said our flag never committed crime, it is we who screwed up the country.
we should not change our flag.
Mad mac there is somewhere you said Asad said some muslim countrie are hypocrites. nope i don't agree with you or Asad. those are few muslim gov't but not the public. those few leaders who are there for there interest not for their public interest, and they do that in order to get respect for western countries. the public are part of the nation so if the gov't is made up hypocrites, but the public are not.
that one danm ass who said he was watching darrod girl being raped. what ever goes around cames around. one it might happen to your sister or daughter and let us see how you will feel. and you are total digrace to the hawwiya community. sick animal get out of this forums..
Aliyas.
allah said in the quran we are divided into nation and tribes ,it is not haram to nationalist. but we are not suppose to use like the somalis did. there is nothing wrong to be proud of your nationality.
the brother who said the cresent to represent islam. it dosn't matter weather u do it or not but allah judges with you action not that flag. we have pretty flag we don't need to change it.
and the flag has five corner star which stands for the the five regions. not four regions. mad mac thanx for correcting.
somalilaner keep day dreaming. i don't think of hargesa being the capital city of somalia.
the last 10 yrs somalia was in cival what did the so called president egal did in somaliland?
wait till we get stable gov't . somaliland is part of somalia you better find somewhere else to live at if you don't wanna be part of the south. |
| Bob | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 02:47 am
Hell muthafuckin' no! |
| mr darood | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 03:58 am
TO the stupid hawiye above,
It's your job to talk about fu*ck and dirty deeds, that's your way of life. He is still proud of USC, USC is dead man wake up, you know who was behind it? use your brain. You had the whole country in your hands but your tiny brain could not help you to organise yourself and lead the country. Thus you need to be taken back to HOBYO camp to be taught from scratch. If I were you I would just hide from people when they talk politics. cawaan inaad tihiin ma ogaateen. |
| us marine | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 01:53 am
mr Darood.
all i can say right now you in the same level with cawaan or maybe much lesser. coz you are standing the same level as he does. you generalized whole people coz of what one bastard said. i think you are all same to me. |
| mr darood | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 03:39 am
us marine
You are a big dreamer, dreaming of the sudden birth of somalia without somaliland. Look what you wrote in your post, you were telling somalilanders to look for somewhere else to live if they don't want to unite with somalia, what a dictator! with someone who thinks like you among us peace in somalia is not even in sight.
now, who is the cawaan? you or me! |
| arawelo | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 04:48 am
My two brothers Usmarine and mr daaroot
I think i should remind you you both are two good poeple but have bad poeple that may share you clan or whatever.
mr daaroot do not generalise ( and by the way why do you have this name I though daaroot have different sub-clans )
us marine wathout your language. |
| us marine | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 12:58 pm
thanx sister araweelo.
mr darood .
if they don't want be part of somalia then the land is for somalia and they can live there but i am saying they will be part of somalia.
for i am not hawiye whjatever you think and one think, there is nothing wrong to be hawiye. i am not generalizing tribe here . but take ur ass somewhere and the flag will never change.
u wanna bet. |
| mr darood | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 01:43 am
arawelo
thanks sister. I picked this nick name because I'm one of them. Can you guess who is my sub-clan? I'll wait to see your guess.
us marine
"the land is for somalia" which land? you mean somaliland. Well let me ask you this, what made the land for somalia. Definitely the answer is because somalis( mainly isaaq) lived there for ages and still live there. On what bases can you ignore them and say the land is ours but the people aren't?
If isaaq is forced to unite with somalia, do you think they will forgive you? you have no right to do so in the first place.
You have to let them have their say about future somalia.
Regarding the flag, I think it's the people who make value of it. It dosn't matter how beautiful or symbolic it is. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:27 am
Mr.Darood
Whenever a state breaks up, there is always going to be opposition to that, and rightfully so. In the case of Somalia, while the drive by the Isaaq to establish their own state, esspecially in 1991, is understandable, the Isaaq do not consitute a group that logically should receive a seperate state. As a temporary measure, it is logical. In the long term, however, Somaliland and Somalia should seek to reunite. This is in the interests of both states. Furthermore, Somalia is not going to receive international recognition. Hence, if the trend continues and the new Somali government continues to grow, it will defacto and dejure represent Somaliland in international affairs even though Somaliland will have no impact on its policies. |
| us marine | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 03:36 am
mr Darood. i did not say the land is ours. don't put words into my mouth. the land is for somalis and somaliland is part of somlia. if you don't want be part of somalia then somaliland is part of somalia.not only that NFD and Ogadenia region too. so we trying to bring the the star back. united star of somalia. it is not i hate any one but saying they need to be part of somalia.
why do u have all this hatered against this family brother. men i am not one of them first. i hope that is not what ur whole family believes.
brother i will ask you if you have any family or relatives in any refugee camps a round the would?
if yes do you want them go back home and live peacefully. why don't you talk for the betterment of your people if you don't care about the rest.
take care bro.
i would like to guess your tribe, but i don't know that much tribes in somalia. but i get one in mind lol... but i will not tell you. it is a joke bro... i will say if you want me to. |
| arawelo | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 04:04 am
say it cuz i could not! |
| Anonymous | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 06:49 am
NICE TOPIC FOR THE PERSON THAT BROUGHT THIS UP. I LIVED AND WILL DIE KNOWING THE BLUE AND THE STAR FLAG. CHANGING THE FLAG IS LIKE HAVING A CAKE THAT TASTES LIKE WATER. HELLLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| Lama Goodle | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 10:55 am
Seems that all has been said...but that won't stop me from adding my "2 cents":
What is this talk about changing the flag-
Buluugle is FOREVER!
No one dare touch it!
The parts make the whole. Somalia IS all 5 parts. So with the single white star over the wide blue skies- Buluugle can never be changed.
Sing it.........
You are my Calan
My only Calan
You bring me sunshine
When the skies are grey
Oh Please don't take my Calan away!
Or if you like-
Calankayagow- heyaaaaa
Calankayagow cawaale..... |
| MADMULAH | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 04:01 pm
The Somali flag should be left alone as it is! Many people(Men and women alike) lost their souls preserving it. It represents what we all are; Somalis. Men and women alike went through hell fighting for the flag. It's sad to see Somalia divided up once again. The only difference is this time, it is divided by Ummad Muslim ah oo Soomaali isku sheegeyso.
War Alle ha laga baqo Ramadan waayee! |
| mr darood | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 02:21 am
us marine
what I'm talking about is for the good of our people, don't make me sound like someone who doesn't care. I promise not to work for the us marine or any other marine except the somali marine.I just can't stand dictatorship language.
As for my tribe I know the one you have in mind don't worry somalis had my tribe in mind everytime they suspect something..lol, as for yours it's become very clear to me when you said[ you are all same to me and I don't know much about tribes]. But I want arawello to say it not you, she is the one who was wondering..lol |
| arawelo | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 07:38 am
Mr daaroot
No, i am not wondering about it.... anyway could not come up with any solution. |
