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SOMALIS ARE NIGGERS WHO WANNA BE ARABS

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive (Before Dec. 16, 2000): SOMALIS ARE NIGGERS WHO WANNA BE ARABS
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IBLIS

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 04:23 pm
pHUCK ALL OF YOU BLACK,SPEAR-CHUCKING SONS OF BLACK WHORES.

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DEVIL

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 04:24 pm
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU DUDE!!!

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Drug_D

Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 05:28 pm
iblis and devil...
okey lets get back to the class room kidz, time is up...

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us marine

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 06:06 am
we aint idiots , you keep repling to yourself.
ha!!!!!!1

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Waleed

Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 10:36 am
You idiot, next time try to leave at least an hour to reply to your own article, you know, so we can't determine it is you in fact. What a moron!!!

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ACUU DU BILAAH

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 11:18 am
WE ARE SOMALI'S, WHY WOULD WE WANNA BE ARABS.

STUPID FOOL, GO LEARN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE POSTING CRAP IN HERE
AND WAIT AT LEAST AN HOUR BEFORE YOU REPLY TO YOUR SELF!! NOT 1 MIN.!!

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Carab

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 04:23 pm
fuuck you we know dhoore adi camal ah orod dhuxusha ka ganacso xayawaan.

somlai

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Mr. cool

Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 06:36 pm
spear chucking lol, hey i never said i was an arab, just like i will never agree to be called a nigger, i am fuccking somali.

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ahmed

Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 01:21 am
•••• U all who think we are elmadagax\ niggars our ancestries come from Arab what can I say if some of you do not know the history of your own and calling your self nobody, niggar,

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KISMAYO

Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 04:03 pm
DONT WORRY.HAWIYE ARE FROM AFRICA.DAAROOD AND ISAAQ ARE ORIGINALY FROM ARABIA.BUT KNOW WE ARE ALL MUSLIMS AND SOMALIAN.WE CALL OURSELF SOMALIAN PEOPLE.

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IBLIS

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:15 am
THE TRUTH IS A BITTER PILL TO SWALLOW!!!

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DuH

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:39 am
kismayo lol hawiye from africa that is a better joke than my two cents jokes

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MRFAN

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 10:49 am
WAIT WAIT KIDS let's all settle down let's not jump to conclusions what this man is saying is based on his oppinnion which formated around a lowlife sshitty ass family. what ever he says here reflects on his fammily write his oopiniions his ways personalities you know stuff like that but the main point I'M NO FUCKIN ARAB AN I'M NEVER GOING TO BE NO DAMN NIGGER AN I'M NEVER FUCKIN EVER GOING TO FUCKING REPLY TO YOUR DAMN TOPICS EVER AGAIN YOU SON OF BITCH WITH NO SELF RESPECT NO DIGNITY ..GET A life ..or this will be the end of the line for your fucking information is say again THE END

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Muslim

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 11:40 am
the last time i checked, i was not a nigger. the word nigger came from the spanish word negro, which was used to call the black slaves that were brought from africa. next, we somalis, were never enslaved by the white man, we were nomads and strong muslims. and 4 ur infomations, i rather be an arba than a nigger. we r somalis, and arabs are or brothers too. shame, in thsi holy month of ramadan, how can a muslims hate on another group of muslims, and last i remember the Prophet(pbuh) was an Arab, so what the matter

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MUSLIM

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 11:43 am
please, iblis is no one to be calling urself after, brother u need guidence in ur lifem there r jokes, but this is too far

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Waleed

Monday, November 27, 2000 - 01:35 pm
My weird people, Ramadan wanagan to all of you. I’m sorry to inform you that the last thing Arabs talk about is BEING RELATED TO YOU. So, stop all these none sense, save your energy, and go on with your lives.

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IBLIS

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 06:13 am
Waleed,You are an imbeccile,a wanna be arab and a fudge-packer.No somali worth his weight in salt would ever claim to be related to the racially,physically and mentally inferior arabs.Who in his right mind would ever claim descent from those mongrel midgets you call arabs.The arabs are so damn weak that they cannot defend themselves nor their lands from being overun by the Israelis,All they can do is sit on their fat-homo-sexual ass and ask for help from the rest of the islamic nations.I do not give a rats ass wether the so-called "prophet" was an arab or not.Like I said before ass-wipe,"the truth is a bitter pill to swallow".It has been known since ancient times to the present day that the arabs,arabized peoples(such as yourself) are prone to unnatural sexual acts such as homosexuality,bestiality,pederasty and Incest.Their women indulge in goldenshowers(i.e they drink urine) and brownshowers(i.e they eat faeces).How any somali man or women of pure and noble blood can claim descent from these dregs of human soceity is beyond my comprehension,I can understand why some half-breed arabized moron can try and claim arab ancestry,but he will never be accepted either in his mothers race nor his fathers,he becomes desperate to be identified with something and that is why he tries his best to defend his Illegitmate nature.I know most of the people who reply to this message fit into this category........Respond if you must,ass-breath.

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SurReal

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 10:54 am
Okay either you're the devil reincarnate or you have been deeply hurt some where along the way by an Arab. What you really need is counseling, all this hate has made you so hostile. I would let go of the pain and move on. You have to be secure with yourself, for it's a sign of weakness to hate an entire race like that.
I don't know why Somalia is in the Arab League of Nations, that is beyond me since Tunisia wasn't even in it at the beginning. I can understand you in some strange way for it perturbs me so, when I see the very few Somalian girls in our school (2 really), who consider themselves Arab and socialize only with the Arabs in our school, and of course they communicate in their native tongue of Arabic. What's more is that these girls look like typical Somalis, you can't dismiss them, and one just can't help but to watch them. If any one is from University of Toronto, you'll know which girls I'm talking of :)

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Waleed

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 12:08 pm
Iblis, With all these insults and humiliations to Arabs, I wonder what have you left for Somalis. I’m not going to get down to personal attack, but you sounded more inferior than Arabs themselves for God sake. I totally agree with SurReal, you have been deeply hurt somewhere along the way by an Arab. Well, my condolence to your already rotten personality.

SurReal, Is it going to be more appealing to you if these two Somali girls socialize ONLY with Pakistanis, Indians, or Canadians for that matter. So what if they speak fluent Arabic, isn’t this the language of our holy book to begin with? Wasn’t it mandatory to learn Arabic in our school in Somalia?. So, please, try not to pay attention what people do in their lives, it is a total waste of time.

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IBLIS

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 03:56 pm
I who am of pure and noble somali blood has never nor will ever be hurt by no lame-ass arab.•••• the arab language,for it is surely an inferior language and should be totally eradicated from the quran if it(the quran) is to ever have any semblance of holiness.Iam somali first and whatever second,you do not need to ascend to my level because it is to high for you to reach,nay,to even dream about reaching the loftiness and Integrity that abounds in a somali of pure descent like me,who does not claim any affinity nor ties to anyone especially arabs who are totally inferior to any somali wether it be mentally,physically or academically.Iam the one who feels sorry for all my pure somali brothers and sisters who are operating on a zero level of inteligence and in-turn tarnish their glorious history and acheivments in-order to be linked to an Inferior sub-species we now call "the illegitmate camel-sodomizers(in case you have not caught on.....arabs).so please spare me your ignorant, moronic and utterly unbelivable shenanigans.2ny

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DEVIL

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 04:00 pm
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU DUDE!!!!!!!

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Waleed

Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 04:04 pm
IBLIS, Your request has been granted. But before I press the IGNORE button, I was just wondering, is there anything called PURE Somali blood. I will take my answer off the air.

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Jeego

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 09:20 am
IBLIS bro do not insult the arabs! They never say somalis are Arabs. the Somalis are the ones who wants to be Arab-Bastards?! Well their only people on this Earth who love to be Arab-Bastards?

Apologise to the Arabs!!

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arawelo dahlia

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 09:58 am
I think some of you have phobia about associating with Arabs. I think we should not. However, whather we had some Arab encestries or not the fact now is different we do not speak Arabic, a language that Arabs share.However, To ill-speak of them is something I will appose for ever cuz our prophet Mohamed PBUH was an Arab.
I also think we should differentiate personal experience from history and politics. I had come to know fery few Arab poeple and I will tell you I will never ever want to know them again. However, I will stay in the arab legue, and make Arabic as second language, i will call them my brothers cuz it is an essential for the continuation of Islam in Somalia. Take my words this is poltising and I suffered from it when I was at college.

To be continued

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mad arab

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 11:24 am
I bet a lot of you ignorant people that keep crying about how you aren't arab, don't even know that the earliest arabs were black. I understand were all the anger is coming from, you people want to believe that you all have your own identity, but look there are arab countries all over. There are Eygptians, Saudis, Libians, even though the will tell you they are from their own speicific countires, in the end they all know they are arab. So why can't Somalia be like that.

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Angry Somali

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 02:34 pm
Yo Iblis,

You idiot, did you not realize that Iblis is an arabic word for devil? And, are you not a muslim, because to say that the quran should be changed is a punishable act in Islam. Get your mind motherfucker, cause you sure ain't a somali, if you ain't muslim, you five percent bastard.

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somali_carab

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 03:16 pm
iblis you said (I who am of pure and noble somali blood)
if it is true, you must be one ugly motherfucker. loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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Ghad

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 03:20 pm
IBLIS

"Iam the one who feels sorry for all my pure somali brothers and sisters who are operating on a zero level of inteligence and in-turn tarnish their glorious history and acheivments in-order to be linked to an Inferior sub-species we now call "the illegitmate camel-sodomizers(in case you have not caught on.....arabs).

Well, my friend, why don't you tell us what a significant contribution you made to human race?
Why don't you tell us what Somalis have ever done for the sake of the world? And before you attack the Arabs, just consider the fact that they are people with great civilization (that stretched from the West, across North Africa into Spain and France, and in the East, to the borders of China.) The Arabs, unlike ignorant people like you, had great development in literature, philosophy, medicine, mathematics, and science. The Arabs came up with words such, Alcohol, Alkaline, Alchemist, cotton, Algebra, cotton, coffee,magazine, zero etc. Not to mention the algorithm and the Arabic numerals that is used by most people in the world including you.

At least we, Arabs, had put something in this world.... tell me what on earth have you done to this world...

Note: Take my advice and change your name... what a hypocrite... insulting the arab and arabic language.....then using an arab nickname...

my salams

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IBLIS

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 04:38 pm
It is a well known fact that the arabs borrowed their knowledge of numerals from the indians and most of their astronomical knowledge from the ancient egyptians who happen to be cushitic speakers(i.e somali,beja,tuareg and oromo).We hamites or rather cushites are the originators of science and religion.All the so-called jewish or arabic prophets borrowed their thoughts and reflections on nature,god and soul of man from us hamites.The prophet moses was a cushitic speaker and so was yusuf(yosef,joseph).That is what we contributed to this world ass-wipe,we civilized your dirty,pussy-stinking,beer-drinking debauched savages.The pure somalis like me are 90% of the somali people(The tallest,most handsome people ever created).We all know that the impure people who are mixed with arabs or other lesser races are usually bow-legged midgets,who suffer from a serious deficit of intellectual capacity(neandatharls).As for the libyans,present-day "egyptians",syrians,iraqis and sudanese,these people are not arabs,they are just arabized peoples who were too weak and feeble-minded to defend themselves from cultural colonization,to this day most of these people are not recognized as arabs by the southern arabian arabs(the original faggots).So dont try to come here and post bullsh..t that you know nothing about.We are fucking tired of all your arab-quranic bull.No arabic will ever be forced on any somali child in the future goverment of somali and all of you wanna-be arabs will be deported to the worthless deserts from which you claim origin,you can go and jerk-off in front of your black-stone(kaaba)in frigging mecca.I know all you mixed octoroons will try their best to cloud the judgement of my somali brethrens but alas your efforts will come to nought.
NOT A SERMON,JUST THE FACTS.2NY

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DEVIL

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 06:32 pm
I AGREE WITH YOU DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Arawelo dahlia

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 02:58 am
To Ghad,

Do not distort the history. It was the islamic civilization that stretch from Africa to China not Arab civilization. Are you telling us aall the great islamic philosophers were Arabs. It was not the arabs who were leading the Ottoman Impire. I do not have a problem with Arabs per se,but
It is the poeple like you who misrepresent islam. You are ignorant about the fact of islam, and your history. They were quite different. The fact of Arabs before islam are well-know throughout the world.

Get your facts right before come here.

Iblis and devil,

I think you are not anti-arabs but anti - islam, and poeple here did not get the massege yet. How can they? when they are only Ghad who I think has not got any clue of wqhat he is talking about.

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MAD ARAB

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 06:50 am
Well I am very sad to tell you Arab haters this, but within the next 20-40 years Somali will be so Arab you won't believe it. Right now when Somalia needs the most help, America and all the other big nations have kind of held back on helping so quick, but all the Arab nations have been supplying them with everything they want. Do you people also know that Somaliland, Puntland, and Somalia are all trying to make Arabic their official languages, and Somali just a widly spoken onesort of a regional language. Thing are changing in the Horn Of Africa, in a way many of you wouldn't like. To get the big dollars for Somalias untouched oil reserves, and the big fancy glass buildings, and the mega highways. The current so called leaders in Somalia believe we must be more Arab. Hay I don't blame them the Arab countries themselves welcome the idea of a rich Somalia at the cost of an all Arab culture in the horn.

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Ghad

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 07:22 am
IBLIS:
"As for the libyans,present-day "egyptians",syrians,iraqis and sudanese,these people are not arabs,they are just arabized peoples"

You are very confused person, my friend. If the Egyptian are not Arabs, then who is it?
I think your problem is that you don't have a clear definition of an "Arab"... my friend, Arab is not a race, (like the Aryan and Nigga race)...but rather a people that share similar language and culture...!For that fact, an Egyptian or Tunisian is not less "Arab" than Saudi or Yemeni.

"It is a well known fact that the arabs borrowed their knowledge from ..."

Yeah, they did...so what? It is common thing, all the great civilizations that existed in this world had "borrowed" knowledge from previous civilization... The Romans did, The same thing goes for the Greece as well the Egyptians..etc.

The Arabs were not an exception... however, they didn't only extended what they had received from the civilization but checked and corrected older records.

Though the Arab numerals were originally a Hindu invention, it was the Arabs who turned them into a workable system; the earliest Arab zero on record dates from the year 873, whereas the earliest Hindu zero is dated 876.

Good you that linked the Somalis to great civilization (egyptian)....but you are wrong, my friend....! They Egyptian had nothing to do with the cushitics... in fact the ancient egyptian language is much close to the Simite languages that were spoken by the ancient Hamyaris and Mahris(similar to the Barber's in north africa). As for the egyptian colour, it is obvious that they had light skin (similar to yemenis). and much different than the somalis and oromo, etc.

Finally, as I said before....change your name...Stick with your english name, the Devil... it suites you more...! (become close to your cousins, the christians...that put all these false info. into ur mind...)

salam

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Ghad

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 07:58 am
Salam Arawelo dahlia


Before you start insulting me (ignorant)...first read my post very carefully...!

As for your problem on what is Islam and what is an Arab...well, I have to tell you that there is no different between the Arab Civilization and Islamic civilization....!Yeah, it was Muslim Arabs who led this empire (Amayad and Abassayad, dynsties)...! You agree with me that great leaders like Khaleed Bin Waleed (conqur of Iraq), Amr bin Alas (conq. of egy.), Musa bin Nusir (conq. of spain), were all Arabs...! Great Khaleefas like, Haroon ALrashid, and Alma'mon were arabs as well.......! after all, u callin' me an ignorant...! well, my friend...! I had done my homework, but it looks like you haven't urs.

"Are you telling us aall the great islamic philosophers were Arabs"

yeah, I'm telling you that....they were Arabs!
Your problem (like many other Somalis in this net) are confused on what is an arab...! As I said before...Arab is not a race...!

(when the prophet "pbuh" was asked on who is Arab... he replied...Arab is not something we inherite from our fathers...but rather anyone who embraced the arabic language is an arab).

As for the great philosopher and scientists like, Avecina *ibn sina* or Omar Alkhayam...they were arabs(though they were persians)&& not less arabs than Averose *ibn rushd*, ibn khaldon, or ibn Navisa (who where ethinically arabs). These people had accepted Arabic as their mother tongue. The same thing goes for non-muslims scientis and philosophers like, ibn Maymonah and the Basra alnasrani, etc....they all were arabs but not muslims.

We all know, that the Arab/Islamic empires reached their golden times when they were led by Arabs...And as soon the Arab element in the empire had disappear this great Empire went into ruin.

Even the Othman empire was not in any matter a great empire...in fact the Othman empire is the Black point in the Islmic history. The othmans had caused the Gread Islamic culture (that was dominated by the Arabs)to go into ruin and become a backward culture. They were just bunch of warriors who were not good in anything (like the Mongols). During their rule to islamic world, we went into the "Dark Ages" that we still trying to escape.!

"The fact of Arabs before islam are well-know throughout the world".
By the way, the Arabs had great civilizations before Islam and with Islam their civilization reached its peak with the Arab Muslim conquering other nations and introducing the arabic and muslim religion.! Civilizations such Saba, (read surah Saba), Hamyer etc.... !

My salams and Ramazan Karim...!

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yasmiin

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 08:32 am
Ghad i was born and grown up in Arab country to tell you the truth arab and islam are two different things arabs before islam were weak people because of islam they became stronger and when they left the religion they went back to their weakness. as i was born in Egypt most of them they believe that they are not arabs they say they came from Turkish and romanian. i 'm tired hearing arab did that and did this you want to steal everything that Islam did. i even heard people saying salaaxu aldiin was arab the fact that he was kurdish not arab lastly i do not know whether you are real arab or somali who is arab lover. tell us what country are you from and i will tell you who you are. Devil and Iblis you are not muslims nothing wrong with Arab language and when you said the quran should be changed you became an outsider of the religion, i do not know what to say i'm so disgusted about your words.arawelo i agree with you i lived in arab country 25 years that i lived in my life and i do not want to go back. you are right they are not loveable.

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dirie

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 12:08 pm
ifuckk darooood and isaaq animals, smeally fuckker

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T-GIRL-QueenOfHearts

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 12:39 pm
So R U saying we Indians? Now I've heard it all

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OUTOFTOWNER

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 01:41 pm
Yo,

First of all, like my brother/sister Angry Somali said above, Iblis, I very much question your Islam. Not only have you insulted prophets of God, but you questioned Allah's decision to use the Arabic language in the quran. If you're indeed a muslim, you seriouly need to repent and go back and learn about your deen.

Secondly, this arguement about what is Arab is a fruitless one. Ghad, yes brother Arabs have done a lot, but they didn't do it in the name of their kind, but with the help of other muslims (without any beef), and in the name of ISLAM. Those conquores you've named were of the first three generations of Muslims, who succeeded not because they were arabs, but because they were GOOD MUSLIMS, and Allah's help was with them.

I just wanted to say to my Somali and arab brothern, that it doesn't matter what race you are, but that we are ALL MUSLIMS, and that makes us all brothers and sisters.

Iblis (change your name), GET HELP, I suspect that you've been exposed to too much problack s*^%, YOU'RE MUSLIM FIRST, NOT SOMALI, OR BLACK FIRST, MONKEY.

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jamaaal4

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 04:35 pm
Yaasmiin
get a life you ungrateful ignorant.
you have lived in egypt for 25 years and yet you are not grateful to the land that opened its arms to you....if u didnt like it you shouldnt stay there at the first place.
I born in somalia and i never hated it although i had bad experiences sometimes e.g.abusive language and so on ,yet i will be ignorant if i generalize people and say somalis are bad.
I think you are yet to learn a lot.

ramadan karim

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sahra

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 05:33 pm
i wonder this: if we are not related to Arab then where the hell we came from? somalia is in africa and if we are pure african somalis then why we dont have those big lips, thick hair, and big noses like the pure africans for instance like the kenyans. i dont mean to insult other african nations but we must be mixed with some kind of arab eather way or another.

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Ghad

Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 06:35 pm
Salam to all those who followed the right path...!

YASMIIN:
"the truth arab and islam are two different things"

I don't agree with you on that one...! Islam and Arab are the same "coin, but with two different face". No one can exisit without the other... neither the Arab culture would survive without the Quran and Islam, nor the Quran would stay in its original form without the arabic.

"tell us what country are you from."

I'm an arab somali. I was born in somalia and I love my country. Perhaps, I don't belong to any tribe or speak the somali language as my mother tonge...but this doesn't change the fact that I'm somali an Arab (for my father had immigrated from Arabia)...!

"they (egyptians) believe that they are not arabs they say they came from Turkish and romanian."

I'm not sure where did you get this information. I lived in Egypt, and been to that country more than three times....also traveled across egypt (north to south)... but never seen any egyptian who denies that he is an Arab...! I have seen proud people of their arab cultur whether they are Nubians or Sa'idas.....so please before you fabricated some news...make sure that it make some sense...!and consider tha the land of Kanana produce great arab leader like Jamal abdulNasir.

"they (arab) are not loveable."
I getting the feeling that you are an anti arab. Becarful, don't forget that you cannot deny your roots to the arab culture... let's start with your name, yasmin...a very real arabic name...! so please, next time don't throw these kinds of insult...!

JAMAAL: I have experienced the same problem in somalia....yeah we were subjected to an abusive and unbearable insults...but this doesn't make us hate somalia neither does it make somalis "not loveable"


OUTOFTOWNER;

I guess I agree with you in most of your argument... yeah, after all, we are muslim...may allah guide us to the right path... inshallah..!
and may all you have a great Ramazan.

salams

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arawelodahlia

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 05:38 am
To Ghad,

You do not need to assume that I have problems with Arabs. I said very clearly, I do not have any problems with them. ( read my postings before your phobia of what i am gonna say)


Do you re-read what you are saying ; It is one -way of saying okey Arabs werer not anything before islam. If you refuse that ypou are rejecting that Islam is areligion for the world. Yes, the Prophetpbuh was an Arab, and so the Caliphates. After the prophets death they were mainly Arabs who new the Quran. If I dispute that Iam putting my anger before Islam ( and that is what you are doing here )

Tell me what were Arabs before Islam? and I will tell you were you stand.

As for The Ottomans, well, it is a much regret to hera that from a fellow Muslim!!! It was agreat empire that flurished islam throughtout the world. The sings are still there in east europe and china. It had, of course , it is down falls but remember that happened only the last years of its power. hwta you are saying now are the europen way of looking the empire and with much regret we now have many of arab muslims who are following their footsteps. In a way it teachs how the muslims to shun away from their greit civilastions.


I think OUTOF OWNER made the points I was struggling to say.

To Ghad again,

I think if you are a muslim you should concern about Islam not your race. If you read my post earlier I interfer the discussion because I felt it was based on anti-islma.

My brother/sister go and ask some you can thrust whehter islamand Arab is the same thing.

And think this; what about the Arab christians, jews.....huh


arawelo

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arawelo dahlia

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 05:44 am
To ghad,

are you doubting the Quran '' the quran would not stay the same without the Arabic langauge'' where did you get that idea. Oh !±!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dear.

well, I do not think I should be dealing with you. you are so empowered by your race. I will tell you quite honest I do not mind whehter you say s.th about the somalis or not, but i do car about Islam.

give a break man!!!!!!!1

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IBLIS

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 02:34 pm
The fact still remains un-challenged,Ancient egyptians were hamites who spoke a cushitic language(encyclopedia brittanica).The only people who are hamites and speak a cushitic language happen to be somalis,oromos,beja and the north-african tuareg.We somalis are descended from an ancient stock who are neither arabs nor half-breeds,we are the pinnacle of human perfection and no arab in rags is ever going to dispell these historical facts.We build the pyramids and introduced religion,most of the prophets were from this ancient stock or derived their knowledge of the most high from us.The prophet of islam himself was known to be very tall and dark skinned,with straight hair which points to him being a hamite rather than a semite(arab),The fact that he spoke an ancient form of arabic or rather aramaic should not confuse as to his racial origins,the amharas still speak a semitic language yet they are far from arabs.When you realize that you have been totally brainwashed by these arab supremacist's, who cannot even speak the language of the ancient quran that they claim is their language ,then will you realize the folly of your deeds.Do not be confused with any writings that are purported to being authentic for even the most well meaning person can and will make mistakes.It is a well known fact that moses learned religion from the high priest of akhenaton,who was a great king of egypt and he practiced the one true faith i.e submission to the will of the almighty deity, wether you call him allah or whatever is inconsequential to this here topic.Most somalis are brainwashed or rather ignorant to the facts surrounding their origins,they are more than willing to accept that they are bastards who are mixed with the better arabic race!!!!.This is preposterous and anyone who believes in this kind of gibberish must certainly be of mixed and ignoble stock,for that is the only way they can justify their exsitance.I for one am from a pure somali family and I do not subscribe to this pointless gibberish and futile drivel.
NOT A SERMON,JUST THE FACTS
2NY....

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2ny

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 03:27 pm
the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.......

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Ghad

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 04:31 pm
Salam

arawelodahlia

"Tell me what were Arabs before Islam? and I will tell you were you stand."

I already told you to read Surah Alsaba...!In case you do not understand/read arabic...you may use a translated versions of the quran (there's a somali one)...!In that surah you will read the ancient civilization of arabia...! By the way, don't put words into my mind.... I don't duspute that the best thing in the Arabic culture is Islam... and vise versa...!I'm grateful that Allah made us Muslims...!

About the Othman empire... please don't get excited too much...!I think you don't know much of this so called great "empire". As I said before the Othman empire is a black dot in our history... I'm not talking about the new territories or people that were forcefully converted to Islam....I'm talking about the damage that this empire caused to the Muslims' mentallity...! I'm not repeating what the Europians had said about the "sick man"...!

We shouldn't evaluate the "othmans" by the numbers of new territories they added to muslim land...since that will be a quantity... but rather the quality that this empire added to the muslim civilization is what should be evaluated....! The Othmans from their start, tried to change the "pure" and simplicity of islam...! they were the once who introduced new and mythical elements to the religion (KHURAFAT) that they broght from their eastern culture... to the point where some Muslims became much closer to the Hinduism religion than the true Islam...
ALso they were master in creating hatred between the people...(this is seen through what is happening on the Bulkans)...!We all know, from the First day they conquered Istanbul, they changed the ancient Church of Ann Sophia into a mosque...which violated the basic principal of islam (as a religion of a merci and co-existing).

"I think if you are a muslim you should concern about Islam not your race. If you read my post earlier I interfer the discussion because I felt it was based on anti-islma."

Indeed I'm practising and an Al-Azhar educated muslim.! So, I know what I'm talking about... I don't have any problem with Islam, since it is my religion. As I said before, *(but it seems that you didn't get it).. arab is not a race but rather a Muslim people! (even though their are few non muslims arab)!... when I defent Arab, I believe I'm defending Islam as well...!

I really don't understan on what you meant by Anti Islam... whose being an anti muslim.. me?

"My brother/sister go and ask some you can thrust whehter islamand Arab is the same thing."

Here you are doing the exact thing you accused me... repeating a Europian ideas...!The whole concept of seprating the Arab from Islam is 19 century European agenda that was meant to create a conflict on who is an arab and who is a muslim. and at the same time, make the musilms busy so they will not persuade their goals.!

"are you doubting the Quran ...."
I'm not doubting anything...(Hasha allah)! It is a true that Allah send The quran in Arabic to protect it, the same it was forbeding to translate the quran into different language.
As Allah says,

[12.2] Surely We have revealed it-- an Arabic Quran-- that you may understand.
and again in different surah,
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And thus have We revealed it, a true judgment in Arabic, and if you follow their low desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you shall not have against Allah any guardian or a protector.
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There are another 10 or so different verses in which God emphisize the important of Arabic language...!

"well, I do not think I should be dealing with you. you are so empowered by your race. I will tell you quite honest I do not mind whehter you say s.th about the somalis or not, but i do car about Islam."

whether u shold deal with me or not,well, that's ur choice (right)... You don't have to defend Islam from me.....! ANd with your weak arguments and facts...you'll be the worst defender of Islam (no offense)...!Not everyone who learned some verses and read two books would be a Mojahid...! It takes more than that....!


Ramazan Karim....salam

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Ghad

Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 05:01 pm
IBLIS:

You make me laugh...! Somalis are ancient egyptians... that's something new?
Where have you get this misleading "facts".!
First of all, it will take more than one post to explain the roots of the ancient egyptians...! Since there is no clear and scientific arguments on their origins...! They could be descended from Simite tribes or maybe not.....but for fact they have nothing to do with cushtics....!

And even, If I agree with you on that... this doesn't change that the Egyptians and Somlis are two different people....so how could you build the Pyramids....!
(your remarks of building the pyramids reminds me of similar remarks made by Benjamin Netanyahoo, that the ancient Jewish build the Pyramids, that's somthing to be laughed at)....! Anyway, when I first asked you about Somalis achievement, I didn't want you to go an look through old books so you may find something that links the Somalis people to any bypassing tribe(culture) in africa. Also, I didn't talk about what Simite people had done to this univ.(which is many and beyond counting, by the way)....! In any matter..... I believe that you aren't just an ignorant but a racist as well...!

"neither arabs nor half-breeds,we are the pinnacle of human perfection"...such remarks are only said by someone like Hitler and facist...!

About the prophet Mosa (pbuh)... That's non sence... since most of the Jewish were already monothist by that time....before Mosas there were Abraham, Isac, and Jacob...they were all true messangers of God....they didn't need to learn from Akhnaton (the servant of the God Aton)...!


"The fact that he spoke an ancient form of arabic or rather aramaic should not confuse as to his racial origins".....!
That's the most stupid thing I have heard from you sofar...... to say Mohammed was not an Arab is unrealistic..... there is not single proof that the Ancient Arabic (which still exisist) a hamarite language...!

Anyway: at the beginning... I thought you were just a person who has some problem with the Arab as people.......but latter I found a non muslim, racist and facist person....! and that's different thing...!

The one who is brainwashed is you, for sure. The missionarry had done great job on you.....!


and that ends my disscusion with ya on this matter.


no salams......!

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arawelo

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 01:35 am
To Ghad

No more commont from me. keep your qualifications and I will be the least person to defend islam. I hope you will read all my commons and yours when you are less imotional.

I a muslim sister i think i did my best to identify the other guys iblis and devil commont's should be read with caotios, and if you do not acknowledge that it does not matter, i did for the sake of islam.

ramazan kareem

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arwelo

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 02:18 am
one more why do you thhink everyone who response ir claiming to be mujahid. i will tell you iam far from claiming that. whatever you think about theottomans will not change the facts.
at least, iam not emporered by race and nationalism. well, part of my family claim to be arabs will you accept them.

maa cindiiy kalaam katheer yaa akhey1!

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arwelo

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 02:20 am
one more why do you thhink everyone who response ir claiming to be mujahid. i will tell you iam far from claiming that. whatever you think about theottomans will not change the facts.
at least, iam not emporered by race and nationalism. well, part of my family claim to be arabs will you accept them.

maa cindiiy kalaam katheer yaa akhey1!

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unknown

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 02:27 am
wow, calm yourselfes ppl, who cares? we all know we're somalis. i would be an african anyday than be called 'arab'.


T Girl, queen of hearts?? you princess diana now?

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yaasmiina

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 06:21 pm
ghad and jamal first of all let me answer to jamal i did not chose to live there it was my parents decision before i was born and every day of my life since i lived there i was dreaming they day i would be out of arab country.to ghad i did not choose my name. jamal i am not angrateful i could not go to top colleges though i had the best scores in may school because i'm not arab. sorry ghad two or three times are not enough to learn other people and because you arab may be they lied to you. and you two defending arabs where they are today. somali proverb said a long time ago "aabahay baa geel leh waxaa ka fiican anaa dameer leh" if you can understand the meaning. every arab country is enemy to his neighbor. jamal abdinasir said"carab itfagat mara waaxida alaa yataguu duula cumrahum" jamal was idiot he could not defend his land he went to war and he was defeated he anti muslim. i do not hate arabs as you think i'm still in touch with my egeyptian chilhood friends. to be honest i felt freedom they i get out of middle east. arab were nomads before islam. what kind of civilization did they had before the islam beside milking the camels nothing islam made them human beings and today there is no pure arab in the world they are mixed with europeans,egyptians are romans and turkey, all the shaam are greek what is left nothing there is no arab ghad and jamal.
to devil and iblis pls no one want to hear your trashs go to your church somalis are not egyptians and we do not want to be. you are in ggreat danger unless Alah helps you. what is your religion. to jamal and ghad "eeh li xasharni bayna basala wa ishrat-haa".

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us marine

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 10:07 pm
ok let us make a voteall of you who believes that somalis are arabs write down and vote say somalis are arabs no other comments. for those of you who believe we are just somalis the saME CASE AND THOSE OF YOU WHO BELIVE WE ARE AFRICAN THEN DO THE SAme thing. and we all count whoeverh has the most votes will be followed.
ok i will start.
Us marine i belive we are somalis.
who is next?

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jamaaal4

Monday, December 04, 2000 - 11:20 pm
yasmin lol
"basala wa ishrathaa".....
iam faithful to my beautiful religion"islam" before my race...i think nationalism is out of date nowadays.in fact its sign of barbarism

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libhan

Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 01:36 am
WE ARE SOMALI WE ARE NOT NIGGER OR ARAB
WE HAVE TO BE PROUD WITH OUR SOMALI CULTURE

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T-GIRL-QueenOfHearts

Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 12:40 pm
OK so U saying we Egyptians now? Man why U guys keep on changing our ORIGINS.....? I don't care as long as I don't get dressed as a MUMMY when I die and be buried in a tomb between Tutankamun and Cleopatra...I'll be fine.....Tomorrow U guys will say SOMALIANS R CHINESE........I just can't keeeeeeeeeeep UP.


PLEASE DECIDE WHERE THE FLIP WE'RE FROM AND LETS STICK WITH IT......Dayaaaaaaam

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DRAG USER

Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 02:18 pm
I HATE ARABSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THEY PUNK ASSSSSSSSS •••• YOUUUU

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DuH

Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 02:21 pm
tgirl records show you are bantu.DuH

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Ahmed Yasine

Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 01:11 pm
Hi guys, this debate is getting out of control.

theres no need for swearing , especially in Ramadan. Are we not muslims.


I just want to comment on GHAD when he wrote:


" You make me laugh...! Somalis are ancient egyptians... that's something new? Where have you get this misleading "facts".!
First of all, it will take more than one post to explain the roots of the ancient egyptians...! Since there is no clear and scientific arguments on their origins...! They could be descended from Simite tribes or maybe not.....but for fact they have nothing to do with cushtics....!
And even, If I agree with you on that... this doesn't change that the Egyptians and Somlis are two different people....so how could you build the Pyramids....! "


To be honest , for you to write this shows your ignorance of any scientific work thats been done in this area.


I am proud to be a Somali and am not ashamed about our connections with the Arab world or our connections with the African world, but I need to correct you in your inacurate postings.

Firstly their has been a lot of paper written in the origin of the pre-dynastic Egyptians.

their skeletal dimensions have been compared, by European Egyptologist, against all the continents of the world.

They found that the Somalis were the closest people to them and had a genetic distant of 2.8 compared to the nubian 13.

So you are talking out of your xxx, when you say that that the Egyptians have nothing to do with Somalis.

Why did Queen Hateshput call Somalia the land of the gods? (i.e where she originated from)


If you look in the book Black Athena Revisted you can educate youself and learn from the best scholars on this subject and then apologise for your ignorance at a later date.

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Liban

Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:03 pm
Read this:

The fact that people are fighting over the nature of our descent is saddenning!
Idiots like Iblis are ranting,
While fools like Ghad are conspiring
(against us).
What makes you know if we are not the sons of Pharaoh?
And Isaaq is from the Quraish
Yet fusions and minglings cause an uprising,
of a new race, a Somali one!
Neither Arab nor African nor Egyptian, just a blend of the three-Somali!
Iblis, were you raped by an Arab?
Ghad, did a Somal belittle you and scorn?
(Then) Do not retaliate with hatred nor discourse
for all in all, their are bad Arabs
bad Somalis
and bad Chinese.

Perhaps you forgot to look for the good!

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Liban

Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 10:17 pm
p.s. do not waste your time with Iblis everyone, wallahi he would not dare insult the quran if he was face to face with me. Iblis, my email is liban_sheikhm@hotmail.com, tell me about yourself and this position you have against Allah's words.
If an Arab raped you(fungusse) insult him, not the Quran it was not written by any Arab, it was written by Allah.

And beleive me, i am taking it personal that you insult the HOLY BOOK, it is my duty and every Muslim man or woman who heard your blasphemous rhetoric to return dignity to Islam and kill you. this is no joke, I am serious; what you have done is good enough to get you executed in Sharia's eyes. Lucky for you, you hide in the anonymity of the Internet. Be a man, say these things about Islam out in the open and let me warn you, you are no Salman Rushdie who was worthy of the Kuffars protection. no one will protect you, even if you are of "noble Somali descent"....
whatis your real name? tell me, my friend, and your address too.


I hope everyone liked the way I summed up everything with my quick poem,in my previous message, not to be cheeky...i was inspired by this melodrama.

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maryan

Monday, January 15, 2001 - 12:54 pm
awesome poem liban, you sure have a talent!!!
anyway, i believe these two are just some non somali kuffars.

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Xanash

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 06:59 pm
TO IBLIS AND THE DEVIL

ARABIC IS LANGUAGE OF ALLAH AND THE ONLY LANGUAGE U CAN COMMUNICATE IN THE JANNAH. SINCE U DON'T KNOW NOTHING BOTH UR RUE ENDS IN THE FATICAN AND TAJ MAHAL. BUT LET ME TELL U THIS DON'T EVER JOKE WITH ALLAH AND THE QU'AAN.

GOD BLESS U LIBAN U GET HIM. ALLAHU AKBAR.

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