     Macruuf-Waryaa-Ayuuto | Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 10:34 am
Salama...
Check any forums. Any room. What do any of the forumss/rooms have in common, nay too in common?
This is, I know for sure, not a question that raises ones conscience to raise its importance at this trice.
It is not what everyone discusses, but, obliviously, it is ‘in’ what we are discussing.
It is—or call they are, if you wish—not inadvertent mistakes, but automatically injected by a full-aware mind; a deliberate intention.
But, to me, it strikes me; it wonders me; it astonishingly amazes me; it makes me to cry-out-loud:
"Why?"
"What is this?" You inquire, "What is this guy lamenting about?"
Well, spare with me.
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"How perfect are we, grammatically?"
"No-thing is not imperfect, ironically.” You snap back. "Everything--and people including--is doomed; only small amount--quality and quantity--is un-erred to live, to achieve everything, to overcome barriers, to perform suitably, to..."
"Wait a minute," I retort back, "Though, it is true, indeed too good to be true. It is part of human nature to err."
However, I cite again, wait a minute:
"How perfect--or imperfect, if you now wish to ask--are we, grammatically writing?"
"Grammatically imperfect." You answered without blinking.
"Ehe!" I giggled, "So, right?"
"No, noo..."
"What? I thought you were--"
"Noo, no, nay; I didn’t mean literally imperfect as you know..." You gaffe with struggling the words to connect; like the Canadian P.M. who strives to do this his daily routes.
"I know--and knew--nothing."
"Well..." You tone, "It depends on."
Ah! That is what I was looking, curious speaking:
"Depending."
Enough , because the word had all said it illustratively, clearly, and most of all, succinctly.
However, what does it depend 'on'?
It depends on because one who writes must write with conscious and cautious. Must be an alert writer, not an indolent one. If he or she intends and wishes to write, s/he must write as impeccable as s/he can. Not imperfect; clearly unambiguous; best to suit the reader because the reader can fathom without obfuscating and complicating.
"Yes! I think you were trying to say something, maybe you were muttering to yourself, I don’t know."
"No!" You confidently and beamingly affirm, "I wasn’t murmuring to myself. I was saying that most of us do not speak/write English perfect because it is not our mother tongue. That is the grammatical error we have. Only a speculating theory, though.
"Oh! Poor Brother. Is this your final excuse?"
"Um...Hmm..." Not knowing to say a word, you are now praying quietly that the words to pour down from your lips.
"Well, My Friend. If your English is that tough to you, there is a simple solution. Write in Soomaali Cad."
In this, I believe, we can understand one another better. Even though, still Soomaali naftigiis ereyo qalad hingaadis iyo qoraal ah aa maalin walba lagu soo qoraa meshaan. And, mana leh wax aa ku marsiyooneysid--like the previous justification.
Now, for struggling to write both--Soomaali and Ingiriis--maxaa kuu diidaayo inaad ku qortid afkii Hooyo mar walba. Aniga haddii aa igu dacaadeyneysid oo Ingiriis aa isticmaaloyaa, Yacni ku qoroyaa, Ingiriis iyo afkii Hooyo iskumid ay ii yihiin. And I tend to be as alert as I can for my writing to be ideal.
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P.S.:
--Most Soomaalis hate to face the truth. It is a part of our heritage. Blaming everything about our mistakes to others to take the burden. Especially, foreigners will be blamed. No foreigner, the most distant one, then.
--I am among ‘you,’ thus I might, too, err. Again, I uphold to be as seamless as possible. Remember, the title is, "Grammatically Writing, How Perfect Are ‘We’?" Hence, I am one of that ‘we,’ too.
--Hold your vitriolic, harsh, acrimonious comments. I was only uplifting our AWARENESS about this subject.
--If any grammatical error occurs, they are solely my mistakes.
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Ramadhan Kariim!! |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 10:56 pm
Frankly I never cease to be amazed at how many Somalis write in English here on Somalinet and how well they do it. If you put 100,000 Americans in Somalia for 10 years, they'd still be struggling to write in Somali - nor would they be doing it on "Americanet". I've always maintained that while Somalis are temperamental, they are clearly not stupid. |
| wanaagsane | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 12:16 am
assalamu calaykum:
Languange is a means of communication..You don't have to be perfect in language to express yourself.
The word "afkaaga hooyo" is itself biased and ungrammatical...why don't we use expressions such as "afkaaga aabe", afka aad gurigiina ugu hadashid" etc?
Don't forget that, most of us, somalis, are undergoing a language overhaul. we speak/have been taught to speak a language that is rather poor in vernacular...thus the usage of many foreign words, arabic, english , italian and french.
What is unfortunate, however, is that some of us feel that a crime in grammer-usage has been committed when someone uses a foreign word. for example: the words GAADH (eng for guide) and (WARDIYE) (italian guardie) have the same meaning...but you can be accused of committing a crime in grammer when you use either of these words.
To answer your question: Some people don't use afka hooyo because they can't write it, others have difficulty in expressing themselves in afka hooyo, some use (afka Gaalo-infidel's language) to practice their english skills.
So, use any language of your liking but write something comprehendible)...
Ps: anigu waxaan ka mid ahay kuwa aan qaniga ku ahayn isticmaalida iyo ereyo bixinta afka hooyo.... sidoo kale afka gaaladana iskuma fiicanin...laakin waan isku dayaa in la ii fahmo. LOL...
We need uniformity of basic words to be able to communicate..... |
| DuH | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 05:43 am
First i absolutely disagree with your topic,when you say 'Grammatically writing,how perfect are we'?Something major is wrong with that sentence.You can't say that? Maybe this will look better.
GRAMMATICALLY SPEAKING,HOW GOOD ARE WE?
DuH |
| Hibo | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 07:07 am
Wait a minute! Hold it!.. R u talking about us ( Somalis I mean), whatever u call urself?.. Maybe u need reality check this language isn't ours ...so let it drain man! We don't care how correct our grammar is ..who cares as long as we get our ideas across! |
| Durgal | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 09:30 am
MAD MAC
We don't need your judgements and •••• off. I thought you knew that somalis are inherently confident of who they are and do not entertain what other think of them. LAKUM DIINIKUM WALII DIINII. Despite that you are entitled to express your opinion. MAC do you know there is a difference between being temperamental and standing up on your ground. That is who we are, WE STAND FOR WHAT WE BELEIVE, even if it is our clans. Say we over do that or we are aggressive but being temperamental is problematic since it is value-ladden. |
| Waryaa-Macruuf-Ayuuto | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 09:46 am
Salama...
Mad-Cap-Mac:
True, but we are not still perfect--a decade is long time to overcome to learn a language to 'write,' though. And keep in mind, some of our 'youth' even were bred here, if not born. And they, unfortunately, are the most common ones who could not write a single understanding sentence.
Wanaagsane:
Indeed, you don't have to be perfect to speak any language, but you 'must' be perfect to write it properly. Refer it to Shiinese, while most wish to speak, still same group would decline to write a book in their lingo.
DuH:
"Grammatically Speaking..." was my prior title, however, I amended it because I was not talking about 'speaking' I was rather directly referring to this forums--and mostly it is a 'writen' forums. Hence, not 'speaking' but writing.
Hibo:
You will know how important it is only if you had had a secure job. Or a suitable position. Or a student of any Class--from kindergarden to Uni.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Quite Peace!! |
| DuH | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 10:19 am
Yes Waryaa
Hence you said Grammertically writing,which by itself is not a correct tence.You cannot use Past continuous tence with present tence.There is a conflict of dellusion.
Hence.....When i used Grammertically speaking,it implies a sort of opinionated sentence i thought you were asking.By any results,i still would say your tittle is not grammertically correct.You can't use..the 'cally' in Grammer and then use Writing as your verb?DuH
Quite pice " |
| Hibo | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 11:07 am
Waryaa: I am well secured in my own world bro.. I don't think I need correct grammar to mess with my hommies in the net. If u think we need to be as concise as writing an essay for english... u can forget it man.. we ain't!.. We come here to chill not to worry about grammar.. Hear me! |
| wanaagsane | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 10:18 pm
assalamu calaykum:
ayuuto: why should you be perfect to write a language???......doesn't it depend on the message you want to portray, who the reader is?....Who decides whether what you write is good or bad?.
I do agree that, this forums is used as a death-injection for many languages....
Remember:_ No one is perfect, no language is perfect.... |
| Poisonous | Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 10:43 pm
I hear you Basra/Hibo. I agree with you 100%. I for come here to have fun. I also assume everyone else does. |
| Wu | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 12:46 am
WarYoo!
All this Knowledge and u Still Complete iDioT.
Every body needs somebody, you could be that somebody that somebody needs, so go Way up der war da cold wind blows "Columbus,OH" that's where they need u @ most. And Remember! Those wit Sharp Tongues... Sometimes Cut their oWn ThroaTs.
DonT LiVe Your life aS an eXclaMation &
an eXplanaTion! Live it as Benefaction! |
| SALSA | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 02:22 am
Listen man, not everybody who posts messages here attends school or university, so take it easy on them, ok? I'm sure one does not need to be perfect in grammer if their career or job doesn't require it. So there is no need to push it in their face, as long as they are understood. |
| Waryaa-Ayuuto-Macruuf | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 09:08 am
Salama...
To Most:
To have fun is good, but to write a perfect, fathomable sentence is another. We have to write it perfect because in order to suit our readers' mind best.
To those who are responding in a bitter language. Remember it is Ramadhan, and also keep in mind what I had said previously:
"Hold your vitriolic, harsh, acrimonious comments. I was only uplifting our AWARENESS about this subject."
Salsa:
"Do I attend a Uni.{Or College} either?"
No! But hopefully, in the near future.
"Am I one of those youth?"
Yes! And I am still struggling to write perfect; and, yes, it doesn't depend on whether one attends a secondary school or not to be a perfect writer. Indeed, I had seen many post-secondary students who write in poor--indeed too poor.
DuH:
I think I had had explained what I intended. No more. And, LoL, what is 'tenCe?'
Oh, you mean tenSe. LoL.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mahad Alla!!
Quite Peace!! |
| Arawelo dahlia | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 09:31 am
I do not think it is a big deal English poeple make horrible grammar mistakes unless they went a grammar school, though they were English all their lives. Take it easy brother. My jos involves a lot of writing, and when I am on the net I make basic grammer mistakes. I do not get paid for it, simple as that. I think if others understand what we are saying that is fine if they do not they can ask.
Durgal, ' we stand up for our beleives even if it is self-destruction' I think that is what you want to say. |
| SurReal | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 10:54 am
Frankly I got lost some where in the passage. The question as you put it, seems rhetorical I assume. But any how I will attempt to say this much for those people like myself who were born and raised in North America, and who best communicate in English, what are we to do ? Do you consider us grammatically incorrect, I think it's peevish to ridicule those who aren't strong in English and as expected, English is not their native tongue. What perturbs me even more, is when people who themselves are inarticulate are mocking other peoples grammar. I don't think being able to communicate in either language is significant, long as you know how to express yourself well in either. It's sad that I can't speak Somali, because I can't join in on some discussions, I am automatically segregated against. Okay I am not saying to feel sorry for me, but it would help if you could empathize with me here. |
| Anonymous | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 11:36 am
SUREAL
I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR GRAMMER ONLY YOUR STYLE OF TALKING.I AM THINKING I'M LISTENING TO AN OLD ENGLISH COUNTRY MAN OR WOMAN.VEXES ME. |
| SurReal | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 11:48 am
I had no idea I vexed you so  It's sad though that you would find something wrong with my writing, you and I could never communicate I suppose. I'm only 21, and yet I sound like an old foggy to you, eh ??? |
| Anonymous | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 11:51 am
YES VEXES ME.
AND I DONT BUY THE FAKE AGE. YOU PICKED 21 HOW CONVENIENT? I'M SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T PICK 18...WHICH IS ANOTHER TYPICAL QUICK AGE TO GUESS OR LIE ABOUT ...THAT IS...IF YOUR INTENTIONS ARE TO LIE ABOUT THE AGE |
| SurReal | Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 08:59 pm
There is no need for me to lie, I am 21, born in 1979, unlike most of the Somalis who seem to be getting younger every day, including folks who used to babysit me as a toddler, I am sincere. My writing style is due to my love of reading. |
| MAD MAC | Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 09:53 pm
Durgal
You guys are definately temperamental. Look at your response to just a casual comment. But being temperamental isn't a bad thing. Puerto Ricans are temperamental and they're a hell of a lot of fun to hang out with. |
| us marine | Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 09:56 pm
surreal.
sister you write good and i like your writting style. for real i am not kidding.
so don't worry about what some haters say about your grammer or writting. |
| Waryaa-Macruuf-Ayuuto | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 09:12 am
Salama...
SuRreaL:
We are all not perfect, however, we are improving to be ideal. Again, no one is perfect.
Mad-Cap-Mac:
"Temperamental?"
Ouwj!! Are you referring to a specific cluster? Or in general Soomaali-Weyn? If the case is latter, then I don't know how you got this.
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Ramadhan Kariim!!
Quite Peace!! |
| DuH | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 09:20 am
Waryaa
Still contesting my point? Or you going to say......Compositionally writing how perfect are we? DuH |
| Durgal | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 09:53 am
Mad Mac Here we go agian.
Is there a difference between being tempremental and being perceptive? Some people can actually grasp where someone comes from. They don't just look at your comments and read them passively. You are entitled to voice your views, but agian we are entitled to say we don't care what others think about us. You see what I am talking about. Main stream America tries to assimilate others into THEIR GOD-FORSAKEN CUlTURE by approving them when they try to act like everyone else, and disapproving them when they hold their ground. So basically your statement would fall into this catogory. I know you Mad Mac. Just like you said the other day when you where commenting on the introduction of the shariica to somalia. You said something like Somalis are open-minded and tolerent, and they would not resort to Shariica. What you meant was that shariica is backward and Somalis are superior than their sham religion. Aren't your statements enforcing one another? So agian, with all due respect, we don't care what you think. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 04, 2000 - 11:02 pm
Durgal
You are reading to much into my position on Sharia. I think that legislating an entire religious creed into the law of the land is a mistake. Essentially what you do when you do that is force everyone, through legal writ, to act as if they were a Muslim - like Saudi Arabia does. Sharia should be acted upon by free will - not as though it were mandatory. It is mandatory if you believe in the faith as a whole. If you are not a Muslim, you should not be required to act like one. Of course every society is influenced by it's religious teachings, whether it wants to be or not. All I'm saying is that setting up religious courts which then punish non-Muslims for having sexual relations outside of marriage (this is just an example - it could be something else) is wrong. Now you are saying "maybe you are an unbeliever, but you must act like a believer." In Somalias case, for example, this would be no more Khat, which is an Amphetemine. While I disapprove of khat, I also think that it should be a personal decision, not one ruled on by religious courts supported with the force of law. You see my point? I'm not saying Islam is bad, or even wrong, I just don't think that the Sharia should be given legal support in a Somali state. Rather people should act in accordance with their beliefs - not have these beliefs shoved down their throats. |
| Hibo | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 03:16 am
Sureal: ur english as u put it, sounds like a copy/paste to me from Dictionary smartly put together. What really holds the english grammar is not the complexity of the words used but the placings of the prepositions. A small "of, in upon, etc." can make a whole lot of difference. No insult or offense is intended at my part, however, I feel disguised to see you call urself Somali but yet find flattery in not speaking Somali. If I was u, I would try to change coz something is wrong with that picture. Thatis just my two cent to ur commentz. If u find it offensive, my apologies to u. |
| DuH | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 07:21 am
hibo and who made you professor Mc fee ?DuH |
| Hibo | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 07:40 am
Duh: I won't dignify you with a response... sorry! |
| Nayaa-Ayuuto-Shukran | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 08:40 am
Macruuf waryaa ayuuto
ayuuto waryaa macruuf
waryaa ayuuto macruuf |
| DuH | Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 09:27 am
hibo dear...but you just did,Dignified me with an answer.And I'm telling you i dont take No for an answer.DuH |
| Durgal | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 12:15 pm
Mac
I believe Islam is a choice but The shariica is not. If you are a muslim and live in a muslim country Shariica is mandatory. In the Qur'aan Allah says " WAMAN LAM YAH KUM BIMAA ANZALA LAAHU FA ULAA'IKA HUMUL KAAFIRUUN. You have the choice to choose Islam but when you become muslim you have to follow God's laws to keep yourself in the boundry. For non-muslims Shariica has some guidelines in dealing with them. Even early Muslims, as early as 8th century, clearly distinguished Muslims and non-Muslims in relation to the shariica.
There is tremondous difference between your people and Us when it comes the role of the religion in society. The Arabic word of religion means Owing something. In English it does not bear the same meaning, so right there, just definition would alert the keen observer the basic difference between what constitutes religion in the West and Islam. This may have tremondous influence on how you see other peoples religion. I am well-versed in the religious development of both groups and I will tell you this, there is a supreme distinction between our way of understanding religion and your way of understanding religion. I gather you are historian, please try to compare just what led both groups to separate from the state then you will understand not only inherent differences between the two religions but why is it neccessary for muslims to go back to their religion and cling to it.
Allow me to add this relevant informatiom into our discussion. Do you remember New Year's celeberation, the Millenium celeberation? Do also remember the big Networks attempt to show Mankind's Success and Celeberation? Wasn't that Ironic and huge let down considering what the world went through in the past hundred years. The world lost gigantically in lives, morals, and beliefs. Just remember Wars, nationalism, man-made hunger. To the Networks that was different world in fact there is only one winner capitalism which has the power to pull off such a deception. At the end of World War Two many curious intellectuals, especailly Oxford university have sought to find other explanations for the destruction of The world. This Think Tank undertook an extremely but neccessary task in understanding and and translating other people's civilazation. One Example of such work is "Faith and the practice of al-Ghazali" a nineth century great jurist and Sufi master Abu-Hamid al Ghazali. The book is about Al-Ghazali struggle to find the path, but in our discusion a note from the Editors is relevent " As result of two Wars that have devastated the World men and women every where feel a twofold need. We need a deeper understanding and appreciation of other peoples and their civilization, especially their moral and spiritual achivements. And we need a wider vision of the Universe, a clear insight into the fundamentals of ethics and religion. How ought men to behave? How ought nations? Does God exist? What is his nature? In other word, there is a general desire to know what the greatest mind of East and West, have thought and said about the truth of God and the beings who have sprung from him, live by him and return to him."
What is intersting about the Editor's quote is its revealing power, and the tremondous importance of practicing moral values. It is not an ID card that you have to show when some asks it, but it is a faith that needs enrichment through practice. People alone can not practice religion if the state is secular therefore the state is the supreme upholder of the fiath. If I list the practical neccessity of introducing shariica to Somalia we would not end this discussion. |
| DuH | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 01:59 pm
you folks make me say DuH? |
| Alipapa | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 08:11 pm
hiyaa!
So today it is all about English grammer?. right Right! right!.
Folks;
will you please calm down and take it easy on the damn waryaa. Waryaa didn't write anything degrading us nor did he attack anyone. He didn't mock anybody either nor did he exclude himself those who grammetically err when they are writting. All the guy wanted was we becoming good writers. DON'T YOU FUCKING GET IT?!!.
Durgal;
the attack you attacked MAD MAC was unjustified and probably unfair. And you owe him an apology. "waa hadaad wax garad tahay. haddii kale waglada tumo".And one more thing, you reminded me hater xoogdase.
Surgeal,
Did i hear you saying "you were raised here in the diaspora. and you can't write somali?". I feel sorry for you.
As anon wrote earlier i found your english the hardest and the most confusing one. i swear. It seems to me you know the dam english and yet i feel uncomfortable with the words that you use and your spagheti or noodle-like logic.
But hey if you happen to live in Austrelia that explains why your english is different.
Please don't take this as personal attack. It is the second time that i came accross your english. I know reading this doesn't make you happy but i swear i couldn't help but let you know to take easy on us and have some mercy on us(your readers) when you are putting your thoughts at work.
The most confusing article i came accross was the one you contributed to the thread called " Our reputation as somalis". And you take it easy Surgeal won't you?. :-).
Duh!.
Right on bastard!. I think you got that one right. I am talking about "grammetically speaking". I guess there is no such idiom "grammatically writtig".
Again, folks, can we take it easy on Waryaa?. All the damn guy wanted was to make us aware our mistakes. he admitted that he also makes grammer mistakes. Hey bastards! so am i and everybody else.
Alipapa. |
| Anonymous | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 08:49 pm
surgeal = xoogsade |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 01:02 am
Durgal
Interesting write up. I agree that Islamic thought and Western thought are fundamentally different in how we view the meaning of life, and hence how we order our existences. But let me ask you something. You say in your first sentance that Islam is optional but Sharia is not. What does that mean? Does that mean that Somalis who are not Muslim must be governed by Sharia under your concept? This strikes me as the tyranny of the majority. essentially forcing people who are not Musims to live as if they were. Do you think is really what the Somali people want? Do you think this reflects the national character of the Somali people? |
| Hibo | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 03:45 am
Mad Mac: That is not what Durgal means when he said " Islam is optional Sharia is not".. what he meant by that was, to practice Islam is a choice but to base our constitution on the Sharia law is not.. b/c Somalia is by majority a Muslim country n to form our laws n regulations on the Islamic view of a government will only reflect the sovereignity of Islam.. which by far is what we ( Somalis) what to be seen as. I hope I could help in clarifying!! |
| Fabio pechia | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 04:58 am
in order for someone to drive the point home, one has to have excellent communication skills both written and verbal
i am impressed by your writing duh and you seem to be quite astute till then take care and keep me posted as you would get my vote. Duh do you have classes for people like me as i am willing to learn from the best and i can be a slow or a fst learner depending on the gender of the tutor lol there fore take care guys and do i have to pay any charges for saying duh as duh is the word of the millinium |
| Durgal | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 09:57 am
Mac, Hibo is right
Islam is choice and no one can be forced to accept it. In fact when the prophet SCW attempted to persuade his dying uncle Abu Talib to accept Islam he was reminded by God " INAKA LAN TAHDII MAN AXBABTA WALAAKINALAAHA YAHDII MAN YASHAA'A."
Meaning, that the prophet cannot guide those he loves to God's path, but Only God can guide those he chooses. However, when people chose Islam God made religious practice, especially its legal application mandotory. The Qur'aan and the Sunna became two of the four sources of Islamic principles of law. Consequently Islamic law was developed into a perfection by 14 century. In it the rights and responsiblities of everyone in the community, Muslims and non muslims in Muslim land was made clear. The detials of those rights can be found in a number of books. I am not naive, to think they are the same in practice, but in general minority suffers under majority rule. Most of the Somalis,about 99.99%, are Muslim so the risk of operression seems less real. We need to practice Islamic religion in order to save majority of Somalis and most of all we need to make social order possible.
Your questions, if this is what somali people want, and if the institution of the shariica is consistant with national character of Somali people? are quite practical and very intersting points. I would argue however that national character in any given society is reflection of social reality,and culture. These two can be changed over time they are not inscribed in stone. For instance, my adopted nation, The United States of America depicts itself as nation that fought freedom and independence, in fact it was the elite who wanted to become independent. Most Americans on the other hand preferred under brithish rule. So these phrases, like national character should not be taken seriously. They might be powerful but they can be changed. I don't believe somalis have national character we would have seen it, and Ironically in the absance of such character it is wise to fill the gap with Islamic values,particularly the internalization of the Qur'anic value. |
| idil | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 04:06 pm
Waryaa...have you heard of "practice what you preach?" U yourself have made many errors e.g. the tittle to begin with...since when does a cpital letter come in a middle of a sentence not to mention a comma? As well as may places which u should of used commas, u have used full stops instead.
As people already pointed out, somalinet is a place to chill, I mean u wouldn't be writing like u would an english essay to one of ur friends would u? There is a time and place for everything Waryaa, and I don't think we really have to be gramitically correct on somalinet...do u? |
| MADMULAH | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 05:46 pm
Salaams,
MWA,
I see the topic at hand is lost as usual. It's natural for Somalis (Including myself) to wander off the track now and then.
To come back to what you're talking about. You must understand that English isn't our 1st language and frankly speaking I am quite proud of the improvements we've made as Somalis when it comes to mastering English. Today, there are many Somalis who can write grammatically better than Black and even White Americans. Trust me, I've seen it many times.
But at the same time there are those that don't write well in English for whatever reason they have. Now, the question is why don't they just write in Somali instead? Well, maybe because they don't know how to write in Somali at all, since they grew up in Europe or the Middle East. Or maybe as someone said above they can not express the way they feel in Somali.
Dad badan Af-Soomaali wey ku qori karaan, laakin, kuligood wax ku ma sharixi karaan. Marka sidaa awgeed, waxey ka jeclaan lahaayeen in ey Af-gaalo wax ku qoraan.
It's important to polish our languages, but at the same time, we must weigh the situations.
Ramadan Karim Yaa ummutul Muslimiin! |
| DuH | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 07:08 pm
Grammertically fuccking how lousy are we?DuH? |
| SALSA | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 12:16 am
corection DUH that is "fucking" |
| rose | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 12:19 am
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS SO MUCH AS TO HOW PERFECT WE ARE, MORE ON IF THE MESSAGE IS GETTING ACROSS. MANY PEOPLE HERE USE SIMPLE VOCABULARY BECAUSE THEY THINK OTHERS WON'T UNDERSTAND THEM, I THINK THAT IS VERY PATRONISING. HOWEVER, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE USE SO MUCH JARGON TO IMPRESS OTHERS AND NEVER REALLY GET TO THE POINT. |
| Muna | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 09:54 am
Ramadaan wanaagsan.
Oh my god you guys! You seem to lost your little pieces of brain, that is if you ever had any.
I took a break from study to look in the forums where I aslways check, out of curious I wanted to see what was going on in here, and to my astonishment, another grammar class?
Relax dudes. Arguing about anything in this world? now we are arguing about how to write english perfectly, are We.
Look if people wanted to post perfectly written essays that have been prove read by "grammar teachers" they might as well go to the other websites.
This is somalinet, we come here to have fun, to socialize, to practice our writing and communication skills. If you are lucky enough to know the No-man's language perfectly and can write it without looking at the dictionary like me, then, by all means, ilaahay ku xamdi naq. and instead of standing there and preaching people how to write perfectly. Why not helping them learn how to write perfectly and teach them grammar? All we can do is put down our brothers and each other if we are as much as on step ahead of them.
Whole punch of nutcases, ilaahay hanoo naxariisto.
God bless you all.
Ramadaan wanaagsan, try to correct my writing who cares I just took a break from essay and sitting writing what looks like another one.
Hanii macaato haye dhaha. |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Waryaa{R} | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:05 am
Salama...
Idileey, waxaa dhahdey fiiri walashiis adoo faayo ah:
"...since when does acpital letter come in a middle of a sentence not to mention a comma? As well as may places which u should of used commas, u have used full stops instead."
Without feeling any loathsome toward to my direction, let me answer your question briefly, and most of all, concisely. And pardon me that I am not teaching anything about syntax, sentence structure or language rules. However, I would try to correct you that my prior writing was not that bad. And I am not that 'perfect.' I am among you. Partly perfect, otherwise is, of course, otherwise.
To begin with:
"...Since when does acpital letter come in a middle of a sentence not to mention a comma?"
Well, you know when it comes a capital letter in a middle of a sentence. For example, "I live in Ontario." Isn't Ontario a middle of a sentence. Why is there a 'C'apital letter?
Oh, well, you may say, but that is not what I meant. You know, you might re-correct yourself, that is a 'N'oun. Like:
Places
Names
Districts
Cities
Etc.
To answer the reason I use 'a comma in a middle of a sentence' is as a matter of fact that concerns an English teacher,--see, isn't this itself a middle of a sentence, and still I am using it--not me. Since it is as simple as your question.
You, Idileey, quote again:
"...As well as may places which u should of used commas, u have used full stops instead."
First off, do you mean 'many' as 'may' in your sentence? If yes, hokey. The primary reason I had used full stops instead of commas is because of style. Yes, style. And nothing wrong with that. I know nothing wrong with using commas, however also there is absolutely nothing wrong using full stops. It is a matter of style, not grammar.
Mad-Mullah:
Concurred with you fully. See, wali sidii aan dhahey lee waaye. Yacni, Afkii hooyo waa laga tagey kii Jinni-Jinniga ahaana gab-gab oo ka yahey. Marka intii dhax laga bixi lahaa, midlee maa lagu adkeyso. Qaas ahaan, Afkaaga mudan ee sharafta leh. Run ahaantii saan dhahey waaye, ogoow qof fiican majiro lakiin waa la kala fiican yahey hee. Saas ma'ahoo, Widayoow?
Muna-Cadeey:
Muna, haye mininkii Aw-Cusmaan iga waran hee?
Meshaan wax wax isbaraayo majiro, lakiin as I said previously I was raising our--yes, including mine--AWARENESS. We are all Damiin. However, Damiin waa is dhamaa. Like, "Dhamiin Daba-Kadhoow," waxaa dhaamo Damiin caadi ah.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mac-Salaama!! |
| Muna | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:49 am
Asalaama calaykum Dhamaantiin,
Macruufo:
"Damiin Daba ka dhuus" you mean.
Wax isi saxaaya maleh baa tiri hadana waxaad meesha ku soo qortay oo dhan idil baad ku saxaysaa.
I just don't get it, do you?
Maalin wanaagsan,
Muna |
| UR CLIQUE | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:58 am
TO MACRUUF-WARYAA-AYUUTO
ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE HOW MUCH ENGLISH YOU KNOW BY USING THE BIG AND UNDEFINED WORDS? NO OFFENSE BRO JUST GET OUT.THANX |
| Lady Jane | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 01:25 pm
Asalama Caleykum wa Raxmatullahi wa Barakatu!
To Macruuf Waryaa Ayuuto:
I have no idea what in the world you intended to achieve by posting a message such as this; however,I must say that I don't believe a lot has been accomplished.At least from where I stand all I see is a lot of unnecessary talk which leads to of course undue insults going back and forth between people who don't know each other in person and of course abundant diversion!!!
But let me tell you what I think about the matter.First of all many of the Somali people in here are immigrants and fairly recent ones at that.Most people in here also learned English as their second language which in my opinion is hardly something to be ashamed of.I don't hold this against them.Nevertheless,it is quite frustrating when you are trying to read something which someone posted and for the life of you cannot make heads or tails of it!
Furthermore,I am continuously shocked by people whose fluency in English is clearly limited,yet insist on correcting the mistakes of others...I believe this point was already made by Sureal...so I won't go on to stress it.As far as being grammatically correct well to put all Somali peoples' ability to communicate flawlessly in English...would indeed be gross generalization and perhaps that's as far as one would get in the matter.However,I agree with you that being grammatically correct is vital and very essential to one's success in both Institutions of higher education and of course the work place.
To Sureal:
I am still recovering from what you said about people who used to babysit you in your toddler days now claiming to be younger than yourself...lol.Girl,I could understand your English perfectly and there is nothing old or ancient or incomprehensible about your style or the structure of your sentences!In fact one could get more used to it.A sight for sore eyes indeed!
I believe I've already outstayed my welcome,so I'll just sign off here.
Until next time,peace,love and craziness to you all!
Lady Jane. |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Waryaa{R} | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:34 am
Salama...
Muna:
Tartiib! Tartiib! Inaay. Aniga Damiin Daba-kadhoow in kasee. Mida kalena waa jirtaa, "Damiin Daba-kadhuus." Xageyga iskumid. Ee marka kistoo fariinka Xaaji-Qamsiinta tartiibso hee.
Lady Jane:
Soomaali inaa tahaa filaa. Haddaa tahey, magac Soomaali, at least if not Muslim, inaa qaado aan jeclaan lahaa. Just a suggestion. Hokey.
Nobody comes--and never will be--here to teach English language and its complex, obscure syntax. However, once again, I was raising our AWARENESS about this subject.
And I disagree that 'many' of the people who partake daily are immigrants--nay, they are rather youths who were born, if not bred here at the delicate ages. And they are writing like this terrible mistakes in their language.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mac-Salaama!! And hala is cafiyo, baliish. Not baliis {If you are snooping to correct me in English as 'P'lease} |
| idil | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:32 am
Waryaa...tell me then, if capital letters should only be used for nouns, why on earth did you use it for "Writing", "How", "Perfect", "Are", "We"?
As to my use of "may" and "capital", I meant many and capital, those were spelling mistakes.
Style has nothing to do with using a comma nor a full stop. A person can not decide where to put them, they have to be put in their appropriate places.
E.g.
Style has nothing to do with using a comma nor a full stop, a person can not decide where to put them. They have to put them in their appropriate places.
Tell me, does this sound right? If to you it does then, what can I say, except that peoples' opinions differ. |
| Muno | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:50 pm
Waryaa ma i caysi mise waa indhahayga?
LOooooool, keep arguing and let me know who wins then I will rule.
Hanii macaato.
Muno |
| Legs and bag of chips | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 06:07 pm
vocabularilly speaking how sh!tty of U..
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!@!@#$%^&* FREAK! |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Waryaa{R} | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 12:41 pm
Salama...
Idileey:
Here we go again; I think if what I am thinking that you were thinking:
For arguing endlessly, incessantly. Never letting the derail. Then, it is not, absolutely, my intention to do this.
Let me for the sake of brevity try to correct the slight difference between a comma and a period as a matter of style. Not grammatical. And, again, let me say clearly I am not that immaculate, and I DO NOT come here to 'TUTOR' about English language.
First, to begin:
"Waryaa...tell me then, if capital letters should only be used for nouns, why on earth did you use it for "Writing", "How", "Perfect", "Are", "We"?"
Simple, sister. As simple as a lucid, bright star. I'd used them to be like that because it is 'title,' get it? Yes, title.{?} Titles must be capitalized; within exception of preposition words; vis. at, by, to, from, with, in, on, etc, etc. Hopefully, now I think you get it.
To continue:
"Style has nothing to do with using a comma nor a full stop. A person can not decide where to put them, they have to be put in their appropriate places."
The other one:
"Style has nothing to do with using a comma nor a full stop, a person can not decide where to put them. They have to put them in their appropriate places."
Yes, we must draw a line to distinguish between a
style sentence and a grammatical error ones.
Which paragraph is correct. I would nanosecond point out the very first one. Why? Because, as you pointed out, the second one has a bit problem by using a complicated period and comma. It might have been appropriate to use a 'semicolon,' instead of a comma
To illustrate:
"Style has nothing to do with using a comma nor a full stop;{yes, that is a semicolon} a person can not decide where to put them. They have to put them in their appropriate places."
But in style, there is also nothing wrong. To elucidate:
"Check any forums. Any room." Yes, what is wrong with that. Those were what I had began in my very first paragraph. Still, I think nothing wrong with it.
Muna:
Walashiis, caytin maxaa keeney. Mise, "Inaay" aa kistoo fiicneen in laguugu yeero. Haddii saas tahey, bas hee. Raali iyo nus walashiis. Teeda kale meshaan morun ma yaalo. No meaningless, futile arguements whatsoever. Kastey ma'aha, Ariirteey? Aheey, Soona waaye la soco hee nooh.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mac-Salaama!! Ar Xalwadii Hilaal aa soonkaan igu fiicnaa. |
| Muna | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 12:56 pm
Macruufo,
You spoke a language that I did not understan and I thought that you chose the language so you can simply insult me.
Besides you are telling me "meeshaan muran ma yaalo," but pray tell me have you guys done anything else other than, "Hey listen up, I am the righ one so you should all write like I do, and no we will not cuz your writing is wrong according to adjective, yada, yada."
You are just trying to tell me, "don't look what I am doing, but just listen what I am saying and walk away?"  I don't think it works that way, as long as you guys not agreeing, it means arguing to me. On top of that I asked before, if you guys are such a wonderful writers, then how come you are not helping us the ill writers?
Ha kuu macaato.
Muna |
| Waryaa-Miskiin-Macruuf® | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 08:21 am
Salama...
Muna:
Tartiib, kistoo hee, waa ku tuugaa. Jilbahaa aa heestaa! Baliish! Fiiri, walashiis, dooga {afka} in goradaasa {kaseysid} kiin {aan} maleyi {or maleynaayi}. Marka kistoo, fatuuro kuuseyda qabooji hee, hokey. Ani plain language aan ku caytamin, ee marka maxaa superbnimo kuugu caynaa. Waligeey cay waa necbaa. Real life or otherwise.
Kastey {makasinoo} ma'ahaa {ma'ahoo}? Hadda waa kuu fasiroyaa nooh. Reer biido mise Ciyaal siyo aa kuu maleynaayi nooh. Inaa marka doogaas {afka} taqaanid. Ee marka raali iyo nus haddii si kale aa u qaadatey. Hokey. Oh no, baliish don't frown
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Ramadhaan Kariim!! |
| Muna | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 01:55 pm
Salaama Macruufo.
Biido? maxaa ka wadaana biid leenba maqli jiriye.
Adi ani ha ituugin ilaahaa la tuugaa, waxaas camaleetine ceeb waayo.
Adi hadii deyn laguu qabsado waa calaacalee miyaa? Calool jileecaan intee kala imaatay, soomaaliya qaxii majoogin miyaa?
Fiiri intee tabarteey waa kaa qaylisiiyi, tuugtine waa kaa keeni makasinoo, mardanbe maku labaayi,
Hakuu macaato iyaaaaaa.
Muna, hahahhaahah |
| Miskiin-Waryaa-Macruuf® | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 02:33 pm
Salama...
Ar Inaay maxaa kaa tuugaa? Kaftankii aa garqabsashado u qaadatey miyaa? LoL. Adi wajigaa aaba laga cararaa tuugmo maxaa keenaayo nooh. Waji-Macbuus dheh Ki-Ki-Ki. Ar Gabadha ku qorxunaa wajigaas.
Haddii Soomaaliya qixii joogin Biido intee kasoo maqley. LoL. Inaa soo shaxaadey aa u moodey miyaa? Aha! Kac! Markaas.
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Ramadhaan Mubarak!!
Mac-Salaama!! |
| Muna | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 01:41 pm
Adine qosolkaaga aa laga cararaa,
KiKiKi?
Waraabe miyaa? yur dheh.
Hakuu macaato.lo
Muna |
| Macruuf-Miskiin-Waryaa® | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 08:49 am
Salama...
Muna:
Iyaah, waraabo miyaa aah, maya kanaa--Dhaq...Dhaq...Dhaq...Dhaq...--Dad-Qalato ah nooh. Wajigeyda fiiri, waji Wariiri miyaa mise Quraansho. Ar Inaay, kistoo Cosmic-Surgery wax la dhaha aas u baahan tahey aa filaa. Your visage do have indeed Make-Down, not make-up.
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Ramadhaan Kariim!!
Mac-Salaama!! |
| Muna | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:05 am
Make down indeed Macruufo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually that is my, um... what do you call it?
The face that I wear in public so I won't scare off my so called "suitors," if there happen to be any around, which is, once in hundred years kind of occurance, na'mean.
This is my real face............ are you sure you want to see it?
okey here it goes . lol
Laakiin adiga kaaga aa ka naxsanahay, keeyga baaba bil ku caano shubanaysaa. Aniga say ila tahay, kaaga iga daran, marka kayga wax ka sheegaysaa, horayba sidii loo yiri,
Nin takari ku taala tu kale tilmaama.
Marka kaaga hadaan sawirto waxaan u malaynayaa sidatan, lol
Hakuu macaato,
Muna |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Waryaa® | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 03:04 pm
Salama...
I got a suitable solution for that:
Hal Maasgaraato! Aas kugu filan aas filaa.
Hokey.
Teeda kale, keyga iyaah, see u kastay lee. Ookiyaal, yes, waan qabaa lakiin weynkaas sidii Barfasoorka {Professor} camal ma'ihi nooh. Keyga yaniiskoow Armani™ waaye, hokey. Kastey ma'ahaa {Waa kastey ma'ahoo}?
Iga qaleey hee. Haku camiran Ookiyaalkaas, hokey. Ga iga sii.
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Ciid Mubarak!!
Mac-Salaama! |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 01:57 am
You guys sure like using those faces. |
| Macruuf-Waryaa-Miskiin® | Monday, January 01, 2001 - 05:27 pm
Salama...
Mad-Cap-Mac:
Waa wareertey miyaa?
LoL. Fahan hee. Haddii kale, iska dhaaf. Ha isku mashquulinin. Hokey.
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Mac-Salaama!! |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 12:11 am
MWM
Ahhh sahib, I don't actually have command of the Somali language. |
