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     | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 01:48 pm Waar maxaa la sheegay? General Muhammad Farah Aidid was the greatest man that ever lived. He was a very kind, a loving man that fought for Somalia and that emphasised Somaliness. He was a very charismatic human-being that had a great leadership skills. All Somalis agree that he was the greatest hero they have ever set their eyes on. He was a Nationalist and a Great Hero! He was AWESOME! There was never anyone like him and there will never be anyone like him. He was a very Open-minded man and ALL Somali people love him very very Much! History will remember him as the Greatest Human that Ever lived! We(The Somali people) are proposing that he is nominated for a noble peace prize and that a statue is made in every city in Somalia in his image, From Hargeisa to Bosaso, From Mogadishu to Kismayo, From Beydhabo to Gedo! May He rest in peace, Aamiin!
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 02:19 pm May He rot in Hell.Moryaan.DuH?
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 03:31 pm MUWAADIN.KALA TAG MEESHAN QURUN KAAGA MOORYAAN YAHOW AWALBA WAX AAN TAARIIKH UU KU FAANO LAHEYNBAAD AHEYDEE.MA WAXAAD GEESINIMO U TAQAAN XASUUQA DAD MUSLINA OO SOMALIYA? CAYDIID WAXAA DARTII U DHINTAY DAD BADAN OO ISUGU JIRA DAAROOD,HAWIYE,EELAAY,JAREER IYO WELIBA SACADKII UU KA DHASHAYBA. WAS HITLER A HERO? STUPID MOORYAANA OO MAANGAABA
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 04:39 pm LONG LIVE AIDIID
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:37 pm YEAAAAAAH. LOOOOONG LIVE AIDID. VIVA AIDID.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 05:45 pm How about Warload of the Century award !
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 07:22 pm that is the biggest joke ever...u got me laughing like mad but the reality is that Aidiid was the biggest moron of the century...there is no somali qabiil he didn't fight with...forget about fighting darod, forget about fighting abgaal, forget about fighting habargidir but the man died fighting against his own jilib (cisman cato)...where is the dignity in that...the man was a pure mooryaan...we should have his picture in the somali qamoos under mooryaan Aidiid is the worst of them all...now we have his son carrying on from where were he left...these r the kind of ppl that bring bad name to a whole tribe... to the ppl who r defending Aidiid, i got 1 question: forget about what bad he has done to u...it can be counted. what GOOD has he done for you? just think about that
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:36 pm wisdom is there any war lord that did some thing good for his people? then your question is answered if you anser that question. All warlords from Barre to the present ones let them rotten in hell. i am not calling Abdiqassim a warlord. but the rest of them let them end up in hell. i know every and each of them someone died for them. peace out i am 10 minutes to iftar so let me get ready bro and sistrers.
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| | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 11:28 pm Soomaaliyeey, don't you have anything but insults? Why are we lying to each other? We all know we love Aidid, we can hide it as much as we like, but we admire him and love him in secret. Some of us even have special shrines in memory of the great leader. He was the best thing that ever happened to Somalia, maxaa been la iskuugu sheegaa? Yes, he killed, but he did so for the sake of nationalism, he did because of Somalia. If he didn't then who else would have done it? He had to protect Somalia and save it. Anon1, a study recently done showed that Somalis abroad and in Somalia love Aidid and admire his charismatic leadership(Including you). Didn't you see how he kicked ass when he was fighting the U.S. during the 90's? It's human nature to blame someone for Somalia's distraction and in this case many blame Aidid, but the truth is, he was a man of peace and love. He's used as a scape-goat and is many times falsely accused. He played out the U.S., he liberated Somalia from American exploitation and Christianity mamb-jambo. He kicked them out! I am going to make sure that there will be statues built in his name in every city in Somalia. May He rest in peace, Aamiin!
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:56 am How could anyone admire or repsect Aideed? That is beyond me. He was a low life who cared for nothing but himself. He was also a psychopath. I knew his niece who lived with him in India, she said the guy was crazy. Also, he was clearly responsible for the rift between the US and the SNA. And can you name a clan or Somali group tht he wasn't in conflict with. OK, maybe not the Jalaf. That's a pretty narrow group. Aideed was scum, pure and simple. US Marine: I think an argument can be made in favor of Mohamed Abshir. Not a perfect man (I don't know any of those) but someone who seemed to try and do the right thing.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:58 am BTW The greatest African Hero that ever lived happens to be living in our time now - Nelson Mandella. And he is closely followed by Kofi Annan. These are great Statesmen. You want great mlitary leader? Shaka Zulu. That was one calculating dude.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 01:22 am Nilson Mandela(South Africa):stepped down for the sake of his country Jamaal AbulNaasir(Egypt):stepped down for the sake of his country, but his people refused to accept his decision and asked him to saty as their president. those are examples of some great leaders. Elected president Ali Mahdi of somalia stepped down when a new somali government was established. THE MAN YOU ARE CALLING THE GREATEST refused to sign any agreement to end somalia's civil war unless he was given the presidency. The closest call to end the civil war came up when his arch enemy the majeerteen went to Mogadishu to agree on stablishing a government, even before the meetings started he was calling himself the president of Somalia. He fought the president that somalis elected. Above all he killed his own people. Where is the greatness in all this! The only reason you are saying he was great is he killed a couple of american and UN soldiers, tell me what happened next: hundreds of civilian population were killed in retaliation.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:47 am 4Ever Couldn't have said it better myself. I think it's a reach to say that Ali Mahdi Mohamed was "Elected" by the "Somali people". He was elected by the Manifesto group. Somalia did not conduct a nationwide election in 91 nor was it capable of doing so. But certainly Ali Mahdi was not the cut throat that Aideed was, although a case can be made for Jilliow who worked for Mahdi.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 07:30 am MAD MAC. i don't know about Abshir. i agree with you that Nelson mandella was and is the hero of Africa. i totally disagree with you Kofi Anon is a here or any type of leader in africa. most of african countries most his west Africans don't even recognise him. Africans were happy when his was given that spot. b4 him was butros kali which, a jew which they considered to be African, but that was western scum. After him was the American puppet Kofi Anon. since he was in power what did he did for the continent. i remember one time he flew to eritrea and eritrean president told him to go back to his villa in NY, why coz he did nothing in eritrea ethiopia war, ruwand , congo somalia so on and so forth. let us see what he did in europe. he had send NATO forces to kosovo, bosnia the same case . why not Africa? tell me one single thing he did for us. hell no. no one recognise him. i know most of the western countries , especially America like his job. but not the African though. aidiid he was total scum, selfish, dick head just like the rest running the country. the person saying aideed is hero , he just wanna make u guy angry. he knows he kidding. i know by now he laughing at your comments or he at mental hospital.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:01 am ALAYA RAXMA RAXIMIIN MAY GOD REST HIS SOUL IN PEACE HE WAS A HERO AMAN OF TRUTH AND WE ARE LUCK TO HAVE HIM HEY IF HE WAS NOT THERE 'WE COULD BE SLAVES BY NOW HE IS THE ONE WHO TOLD USA TO GET LOST REMEMBER HE DID NOT LET YOU PPL GET •••• BY AMERICANS YOU PPL ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THAT HISTORY REMEMBER SOMALI WAA 1
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:07 am Salama... Muwaadiin: Wax iskudir jeceelnimo may saan kaa gaartey? Ar isku xishoo. Soonaa lagu jiraana, ogoow hee. Ninkaas tagey Ilahaa ug meshoo joogee. Faraha kaqaad. Ugoow waxaa ka wadid naftigaa maalin maalin eh aa lagu xisaabinaa. Si fayla in kastey, ma'ahaa? ______________________ Ramadhaan Kariim!! Mac-Salaama!!
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:37 am Give me a break, kiss my black a$$. You need to start showing respect nigga; Aided was a leader, not a warlord. His son is a warlord; all Aided wanted to do was take Somalia to a whole new stage as an independent nation.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:50 am Aideed forever Aideed was a men who stood for a beleive he is the only one who kicked afweyna his ass You can hate the men but you cannot ignore what he did.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 11:32 am yare ....Yes we cannot ignore what he did......Rob the poor and the needy....kill people and essentially..become one of the greatest Moryaan.How can we ignore? May he dwell in Hell!
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 11:45 am Yare Aideed stood for what he believed??? What was that, ripping people off and murder and rape? And for your information, the architect of the final defeat of the capture of Mogadischu was General Galal. AKA Honic Aideed was nothing more than a two-bit warlord scumbag. It's so transparent that anyone who's not Haber Gedir or a Dir or Ogadeni lackey can see it. US Marine I think you're too harsh on Anon. Remember he is not dictator of the UN, just Secretary General. He has pushed for lots of operations that he could not get support for - In Rwanda, in Sierra Leone and in Eritrea. In general I assess him as one of the best Secretarys General since Dag Hammerskojld.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 07:12 pm The man did something that wasn't verry good i know that, but he did took overthrow efweyne. I don't support the killing of innocent but any war there is casualty and you cannot ignore that and specially this war because it was a urban war. To mad mac The person who captured the city was shabeel who is not with us now. Aideed R.I.P
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 07:57 pm A lot of you guys should thank Aidid for the refugee status you got. Who didn't claim that he was robbed by him personally?. Who didn't claim that his granma was raped by him?. Who didn't claim that his wealth was taken by Aidid?. Of course now you all claim you are MIDGAANS or TUMAAL to get accepted. The same people you harrass and look down upon. Whatever works guys. MAD. Good job. Keep them bussy with themselves. Somalis understand nothing but hypocricy and self-hatred.
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| | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 09:36 pm "lot of you guys should thank Aidid for the refugee status you got" Now is this statement sound more stupid or the man who spoke it deserves the honor of the tittle?...I'll let you guys say DuH?
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 09:30 am to us marine: there is no war lord who did any thing good...but what i am saying is that Aidiid is the worst of them all
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 11:16 am Admirer or critic it does not matter, He left a legacy. But what is it? If habargadir enjoys any political and social status, it is because of Caydiid. He was an accomplished general, but not a great politician. Does he have replacement? I doub it, Abdiqaasim is no where near of him, frankly I don't know who he is. Somalis in general would have been lucky to have someone who has Abdulaahi Isse's far-sightedness and integrity and Caydiid's firmness and his military organization. Habargidir never had such a figure. This would make many good people angry, but hey we are entitled to voice our opinion, can a national figure arise from Darood clan? Given the fact that in the past fourty years you had every oppurtunity to steer Somalia in the right direction. If you chose to answer this question, be careful, I am not engaging tribal trivial debates. It is relevent question? If Clinton's New World Order was spoiled, it was not Nelson Mandela, it was Caydiid. Remember those who think Caydiid was responsible for our devastating civil war,it was not him, it was Barre, Who displaced every somali clan, and when he finally messed with wrong clan,Habargidir, they gave Caydiid his assignment. Finally, Was Aideed good man or a bad man? Where do we base our judgements, religion, clan and social organization, nationalism? In terms of religion, eventhough ultimately God knows where he ends up I think he was a bad man. In terms of somali nationalism and anti-Western He is Hero. Among somalis,it depends on what group you belong to. In a nutshell, this underscores one thing no matter what anyone accomplishes ultimately what counts is your relation to the faith,and Islamic conduct. Are your actions consistant with what Allah wants? For future references, anyone who is interested leadership in somalia I would strongly advice you to read Al- Ghazali's book of counsel for kings, NISAAXATUL MULUUK.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 07:47 pm I wonder if heaven got place for warlordssss??? For those of you who are saying that Aidid was the greates hero..please Aidid was HItler's parnter in Crime..the only difference between Hitler and Aidid was that Hitler atleast had a little bit of Knowledge where as Aidid spend most of his time Reading books such as ..Dummies for Sabuun Eaters
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 10:33 pm Durgal Thanks for admitting that your clan never had great leaders in somali history. This is why many habar gidir people glorifying him irrespective to what he's done to the nation. He called more than fifty percent of the population the -haraadi-! and wanted to wipe them out! There is no doubt siyaad barre was responsible to a great extent what happend in somalia, he made somalis his enemy! fighting almost every qabil. He was finally over thrown by the will of alah and somalia as a whole not caydiid only!. My point is that caydiid can not be called a great leader at all, read my past post and prove to me he was a great leader. It's barbaric to attribute greatness to a leader just because he is from your clan.
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| | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 11:28 pm Some people are mixing reality with myth. Let us separate fact and fiction. Fallacy#1. Did Caydiid loot? NO. The faqash themselves looted the Central Bank of Somalia and had striped all financial institutions of the country long before Caydiid started the liberation war. By the time he arrived in Mog, there was nothing of value - only empty shells of houses of dubious ownership. Fallacy#2. Did Caydiid fight with all Somali clans? No. Caydiid's org USC-SNA having gotten rid of Siyyad was not allowed to form a government by enemies of Somalia. They did not want the God fearing, intelligent and principled Caydiid to become president of Somalia. Thus too many fools started singing anti-Caydiid songs in the hope of soliciting favours (arms and money to fight Caydiid) from the enemies of Somalia. When Caydiid could not be finished the Devil himself came in the guise of distributing food to starving Somali population (code name - Operation Restore Hope). And boy did he send them backing! Fallacy#3. Did Caydiid kill? No. A question that begs for an answer is who is responsible for ppl who die in a war situation? -against Siyyaad. And in self defence? - against Cali Mahdi. Is Bill Clinton responsible for 12000 Somalis who were killed by Admiral Howe's US marines? And whose responsiblity was it when Siyyaad's army was bombing the hell out of Hargaysa and Burco? And so on. Fallacy#4. Was Caydiid ruthless? No. On the contrary he was a professinal soldier who followed the international rules of engagement. Ask Mohamed Abshir Haamaan. He was captured(nearly starving) by USC-SNA near Kismaayo in 1991 and was released personally by Caydiid. He also released 700 POWs for Siyyaad's defeated men. Even there are Abgaal militia in Mog who can testify to being released by Caydiid more 10 times Fallacy#5. Did Caydiid rape anyone? Of course not. Please don't say his moryaans did. If a mooryaan ever raped a woman it must be look at against the fact that his sister or mother was probably raped by Siyyaad's army - i.e. he must have been returning a compliment (aar gudasho)...OR...it was concentual; being the new power and landlord, it was natural for a cultured daarood cunt in Mog to do bidding of the young mooriyaan. (This is called indulgence in the sweet fruit of one's work). Fallacy#6 Caydiid has no consequence in history? No way. Caydiid will go down in history as the bravest Somali. He is hero in all corners of the world. I personally look at it this way; Nelson Mandela is PUSSY for LICKING the white man's asss whereas Caydiid is LION for KICKING the white man's asss. Lastly May Allah Rest Gen. Caydiid In Eternal Peace. Poison the Polititian.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 12:26 am Poisonous Are you sure you don't work in the Clinton administration as a spin-meister? Because you can sure take a duck and make it look like a beautiful swan.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 08:25 am i have one question for u sll: ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME CAYDIID HERE?
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 08:48 am to durgal: u said "if habar gidir enjoys any political and social status, it is because of Caydiid." i see that u r talking from a habar gidir point of view...as a habar gidir u r looking for a man to call a hero...but why Caydiid...looooooooooool i can see that u r a tribalist but u know what u r an ignorant tribalist i'll just remind one little thing: heros r remembered for what they accomplish or what they die for Caydiid accomplished a bad name for his tribe (but lets forget about this...it is too controversial) and Caydiid DIED fighting against his own clan... do u see any hero there by his accomplishments or what he died for...all u see is mooryaan who didn't know nothing... i'll u tribalist idiots on the right track: ALL CAYDIID WANTED WAS TO BE PRESIDENT...AND HE NEEDED PPL TO FIGHT FOR HIM...THE ONLY WAY HE WAS GOING TO GET PPL WAS ONLY IF HE SAID I AM FIGHTING FOR OUR CLAN BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HE HAS IN MIND...HIS MAIN MISSION IS TO RULE...DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PPL DIE FOR HIM IN THE PROCESS... SO HE HAD ALL IGNORANT PPL SURROUNDING HIM...BUT MOST OF THE PPL GOT SMARTER AS YEARS PASSED BY... but gues what - there are still ignorant fools like u all who r still defending him on the net...fools grow up THE SAME APPLIES TO ALL THE WARLORDS BUT CAYDIID WAS THE WORST OF THEM ALL AND NOW WE HAVE HIS SON CARRYING OUT FROM WHERE HE LEFT...GIVE ME A BREAK: WHAT IS THIS A DNASTY OF IGNORANT PPL FROM THE SAME FAMILY...LIKE WE NEED THAT ANY MORE
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 08:58 am Let the man rest in peace damn you people are crazy did you people ever think that maype you worst then him lol only god can judge him that is all you all know that. Lets take care the childrens of the future no matter where they are from and who they are Lets put the past behind and talk about the future in a healthy way that make different. We all have to know what we need to do to survive and that is we have to destroy clan sh#t.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 12:15 pm Poisonous Take your ragedy Moryaans Politics or Philosophy away from our faces,Futoo Madoowe Waxiiid!DuH
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 01:14 pm I can't understand this ••••! am too young and I am half somali! my mom is thai. We as a family lived in this wilderness for almost 2 long decades. We know one fact: We have never seen any group of people who could kick the white man's ass before AIDID and his so called technicals. In my school, there is a latino-asian-black gang who idolize AIDID and they call themselves I-DID TECHNICALS! This is DALLAS AND FORTWORTH AREA. I think Somalis cannot fathom the impact this man had on the young consciuos non white men in AMERICA. He is a hero simply he kicked uncle SAM's ass. U GOT TO APPRECIATE THE MAN! HE IS A UNIVERSAL HERO. And Yeah,.............
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 01:54 pm People forget about this white ass kicking thing. History is full of white, black and yellow ass kicking! The point is what brought the UN and america to Somalia. Honestly speaking, they came because our leaders were not able to bring about peace, Since Mogadishu was the "control tower", if we may call it, whoever controls it controls the whole country, at least in 1991. At the time, Mogadishu was mostly controlled by Caydid and it was his decisions that had direct consequences to where we are today. Poisonous Definately caydiid was not a good organiser and leader. He knew that his militia were looting and killing the innocent which means he either was ignoring all this or he had no control over his militia. Let's assume that he had no control over them in 1991, isn't it absolute irresponsibility to send those same militia to BAYDHABO in Rahanweyn land!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 03:43 pm Aah! Thank you all for supporting the Great African leader. May he rest in peace, Aamiin.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 04:12 pm AIDID WAS NEVER A LEADER HE WAS ALWAYS A WARLORD AND SO IS HIS SON SO AKA HONIC DON'T TRY TO MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD JUST BECAUSE HE IS FROM YOUR TRIBE.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 04:25 pm to all these ppl saying Caydiid kicked american ass: caydiid killed americans coz he was defending himself...the americans came to mogadishu to take Caydiid in person to the states and put him in trial in american courts...he had no choice but to defend himself...any man would have done that...that is common sense to muwaadin: i have 1 question for u: look at caydiid's death and the ppl who killed him, and from that tell me if Caydiid was a hero or not
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 09:40 pm Wisdom is suffering from a serious case of confabulation. He has unconsciously forgotten that all the unhealthy things they said against Caydiid were pure construction of the imagination. Put differently, he believes (as FACT) the FANTASY that he presented to the Canadian authorities, which enabled him to acquire his Residence Status. Second. Wisdom is struggling to communicate an overused notion; anyone in defence of Caydiid is a ‘qabiiliiste’ even if that person is not Habar Gedir; anyone in support of Caydiid is a ‘mooryaan’; anyone in praise of Caydiid is guilty of hypothetical crimes! My question is, does he see the irony of this fallacy? Calling someone ‘qabiiliiste’ for belonging to his ‘qabiil’? The point is, shouting about the fact that I am Habar Gedir is irrelevant as much as it is pointless. Third. Believe it or not, the fact that Caydiid refused to accede to American manoeuvrings in 90/91 has not only preserved our Somali heritage but it saved the rest of the world the New World Order experiment. This is something no one can take away from Caydiid. Billions of human beings owe it to him (and are grateful) that Uncle Sam can no long dare toy with weak nations’ affairs. Caydiid demonstrated to third worlders; NO COUNTRY CAN BE RECOLONISED. Boy, are we not proud! Lastly but not least, the Devils themselves, albeit in retrospect, are known to grudgingly admire how Caydiid outsmarted, outmaneuvered and outdid them at their own game. All these is firmly ingrained in history. Poison the Politician.
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 10:05 pm To Wisdom. You said <<look at caydiid's death and the ppl who killed him, and from that tell me if Caydiid was a hero or not>> Brother, Caydiid was killed by the same ppl who planned and excuted the J. F. Kennedy murder. I hope your small Majeerteen brain can work that out. Btw....about the T-girl, we seem to have swapped places. Will you be dissing her now that you 'know' about her Habar Gedir roots? What a 'qabiiliiste' you are Wisdom. Poison
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| | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 11:44 pm Poison Aideed was killed by the same people who killed JFK???? Now you're telling me that the Hilowle were involved in the JFK assasination? Now I've heard everything.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 12:50 am Major Mad Mac, it is the other way round. CIA killed both of them. ...BTW... I have been able to contact 2 guys in Nairobi, one reer-Hilowle and one reer-Jalaf. Thus I am able to confirmed your story.....only problem is.... they said all your Somali Info was baised towards Daarood esp Majeerteen and they saw you as too anti-hawiye, too anti-habar gedir. What amazed them most was how misinformed you were despite your claim of seeing active duty in Mog 92/93. Poison.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 01:42 am to all u. aided one one brave soldier. but i can not say somalis have missed him. did we missed siyaed barre. hell no. i can say he was hero but in one way he freed somalia from bare. i know some people are kind of mad, and i know why coz aided kicked them out of there homes. but where wetre ur warlords? they should be able to defend u. that is why we call them warlords. every tribe in somalia even the few rahanwains had warlords, and there warlords can not defend them i think Aided has some recognition there. some of the guy he kicked there ass were more powerfull than him. i don't mean American soldiers. coz he did not kicked there ass. matter of fact American solders could get his ass in a day but there was too much casualties and and problems with clinton admistration that was y. if u wanna know more about that pls read the book called black hawk down. for the others who say aided was nothing, pls if someone beats u , u get accept it. there is swahili saying which says , asiya kubali kushindwa si mushindaji. one who don't accept his loos is not a compitetor. so let the beggons be beggons and aim for the future.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 04:58 am Poisonous Mis-Informed??? Moi??? Now you have heard me enough on the net. Do I sound mis-informed? You may argue you don't agree with me. I never expected the Haber Gedir to see things my way anyway. But to say I was mis-informed just ain't so. The reason I was regarded as pro-Majertain is because I was in the company of Majertain while I was there. That was due to the fact that one of my translators was Majertain and her brother was with me. The other guys were relatives of his. Truth be told, when I was in Mogadischu I found myself pro-Abgal. I think that is more of the enemy of my enemy thing. My first tour I was neutral. But my second tour the SNA were spending most of their time trying to kill us, and that has a way of slanting your view. The Abgal actively helped us and so, of course, I felt a kinship with them. I also had a certain attraction to an Abgal woman (not returned unfortunately). Nevertheless, I pride myself on being able to stand in a neutral corner and analyze a problem. And you have to admit this is something that is very hard for a Somali to do. All Somalis belong to a clan and so naturally they are all inclined so view things from their own clans perspective. As the years have gone on I have been better able to view things neutrally. At least I think so. However, I have to say I appreciate you going to the trouble to verify my story. That's pretty cool. You have to admit it took some cajones to walk into the lions den like that - unarmed and everything. It was a great time too. Some people there were hostile, but the overwhelming majority were curious and friendly. My American friends, when I told them what I wanted to do, thought I was nuts. But it turned out to be a lot of fun and I fell in love with Nairobi. Great blend of different ethnic groups and cultures there. Anyway, Mahadsannid Sahib. Like I said, appreciate it. Brings back fond memories. I hope to go back next year.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 06:23 am •••• who ever thinks AIDID wasnt good and u make me luagh but AIDAD was the only man that didnt want USA in somalia and what u do is kill him while he is protecting ur country. He was a man send to do his job and i respect that. For all the haters keep hating but in my heart he is the best warlord somalia had ever had and he protected his people wit good care and i am living cuz of him. Dont hate him now cuz of what America thinks of him and why u going to dis him when he isnt here? Why didnt u go to him when he was alive and disrespect him? Just watch what u say cuz it might hunt u down. P.S. This aint no tribe •••• so dont be offended by my opinion aight.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:31 am Woow, At last someone knows you , Mad mac. Poison, I got you know uncle, can i know use my moryan things, you know it is easy to learn a language but to be intelelgent you must be born with ( sorry, no offence uncle)
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:20 am Wisdom, are you slow? first read then answer. If I thought Caydiid was hero would I be saying he was a bad man in terms of religion. For-ever I am smart enough not to defend any warlord, because I have seen what they have done to our beloved people and country. However, it is irrelevent whether Habargidir has had leaders or not, since they were not in a position to lead somalia. On the other hand my question still stands, can national figure arise from Daarood clan, given the fact that you have had more than thiry years to steer Somalia into promising future. I need intelectuals who can explain why? If you can't understand where I am headed to with this question please don't even think about answering it. Again be careful! Mad Mac How do you know so much about these never-ending sub-clan?
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:49 am Durgal It was my job, remember. I'm a tactical all-source intelligence officer. My job is to know the enemy. I spent about 15 hours a day, every day, for almost a year doing nothing but studying you folks. Of course I was studying the problem from a military perspective. But a by-product was that I learned a lot about the clan structure. Particularly the Hawiya and even more so the Haber Gedir.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:56 am i don't like talking about dead ppl...it is not manly to poison: first of all i never said anything bad about habar gedir or any other clan unlike u...and secondly there is no point arguing with u if u have those kind of mooryaanic point of views...and thirdly u don't support someone blindly just coz he's your tribe...the man even fought with his own tribe...he fought with almost every clan in somalia...what kind of policy is that...it only made him weaker and weaker till his death came... and pls stop talking bull s.h.i.t u r so full of bull s.h.i.t and i'll clear some of your bull s.h.i.t J.F.k bull s.h.i.t: u comparing J.F.K to Caydiid...Caydiid, was claiming to be a muslim as far as i knew but u can't even compare him to Siad Barre...forget about the fact that he was a killer the man's politics sucked big time...walaahay he knew nothing about politics...but he wanted to be president loool... and the bull s.h.i.t about caydiid preserving somali heritage: i told u before that caydiid was defending himself from being taken to american courts and ofcourse he defended himself from those few american soldiers...but what u r saying is complete bull s.h.i.t...caydiid is the last person in somalia to care about somali heritage and the t-girl bull s.h.i.t: u think i am mooryaan like u hating ppl for who they r... the answer is hell NO BTW-how do u know i am not habar gidir either loooool to us marine: loooooooooooool @ caydiid kicked ass...it would have made sense if he was alive but come on the man is dead...and even when he was alive he was getting weaker and weaker...u sound reasonable in some of your other postings...i have seen u talking about ahadith and stuff like that...but why u gotta say stuff like "i know some people are kind of mad, and i know why coz aided kicked them out of there homes. but where wetre ur warlords? they should be able to defend u." the fact is that warlords only care about their interests and don't care about innocent lives...innocent ppl r getting killed and u saying where were their warlords...i see that u r defending caydiid indirectly...but for what reason...the part about caydiid kicking ass and the rahanweyn...THINK AGAIN...the rahanweyn r more powerful than any warlord in xamar now i feel like i am wasting my time posting messages in some mooryaan page where they r making the worst wwarlord a hero...i still don't know if u r joking or not...walaahay i don't know if it is a joke or not...i won't be posting any more messages...i am sorry but i don't got mooryaanic point of views like u all i think i know what is wrong with u guys. it is either one of these: 1. ignorant 2. suffering from miss-information 3. we r not talking about the same caydiid to poison and company: chose one
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 10:13 am <<I got you know uncle(?), can i know(?) use my moryan things(?), you know it is easy to learn a language(?) but to be intelelgent(?) you must be born with (?)( sorry, no offence uncle) !!!>> Can someone please decipher for me this post? Poison
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:10 am Look Moryan= poison, I was in a rush and certainly you do not have the intellegence to figure out . I got you now. can I now use 'moryan' cuz I realised the reason you insulted me on the other forums. Then the rest tells your intelegence = I am just telling You that you know English ( of course the oppurtinhty is there) but you are not intellegent. Got it now. ps know and now pronounce the same so just mispelt.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:30 am All what you know is how to insult women. you cannot face men, can you? I bet you cannot. I read many of your posts and you are just a moryan. I asked you on the other forums are you after your victim? you are just horrible.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:36 am Look I am not even reading anything here but came here to tell you I realised why you were insulting me. I cannot even think someone like you sharing with me a nation, alas, we have.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:57 am I came to say my commont is only to Poison who insulted me . No clan at all. I love my brothers and sisters who love me ucz I am a muslim. Poison I will hate you for that ever and ever. you think everyone has something bad in mind when they write. you are just horrible. have you seen me saying anything bad about any somali clan. no, I will never do that.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 12:44 pm Primitive societies worship such a creature like Aidid. the man was a savage with no vision, and we know where there is no Vision people perish but in twisted way I guess you can say He was a "HERO" for him to Qualify such a title we have to go back his resume Total destruction in every institution.loot every property private or government own asset indiscriminate killing and rape loot Donor Aid so needy people can starve to death like what had happened in Baidabo and worst of All make video tapes so he can brag about killing an innocent civilians and eager to show his followers what a good deed he is doing for them so he can get more support financially. One tape that I observed he made a speech that a child would be ashamed to say such a nonsense, that man was making after his speech his men executed four young men very young age. and Sure he had a good laugh because he is a HERO....LOL even ruthless men that we encounter this world wouldn't have made those tapes at least they had a conscience but Aidid was a Hero and smart so nothing will bother him. I guess you can say he was a Hero in that sense, Somalia or even Africa has no future when they glorify such a person . the real heroes are those who help and exalt their people and leave a good legacy ,Like Nelson mandela. Mother Teresa, Martin Luther king, Sayid Mohammed Abdule, mahatma Gandhi, Not a man who could had a chance to rule Somalia but choose to destroy it. Savages don't respect humanity and Aidid was a hero people who got less brain to figure out wrong and Right Later
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 01:26 pm Durgal "Can a national figure arise from darood?" this is irrelavent question to what we're discussing, and doesn't deserve to be answered. As for caydiid he worked as "xidigle" in Hargaysa in 1960's under the command of a general who happens to be my grand father! He knows caydid very well. When he tells you about his characters you wonder how did habar gidir chose him to be their leader. He was a man when he decided to do something no one could change his mind, didn't ask for advice!! When habar gidir chosed him as their leader, he told me " maanta buu habar gidir god ku ridayaa"  " waa nin macangag ah oo aan hadal maqleyn,...waxaan mooday inay habar gidir intaa dhaamaan"!! he added " ilaa lagu dilo, jagada kama degayo". Read this comment carefully and tell me if this General is enemy to habar gidir.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 03:15 pm Ice man are you seeking attention with your nonsense fiction? Let us see those video tapes you claim to have on aideed or else shut up your big useless mouth.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:21 pm To Ice Man.You said <<Primitive societies worship such a creature like Aidid.>> No one worships Caydiid. Only God is worshiped. <<the man was a savage with no vision>> This falsehood exists only in your imaginations. <<Total destruction in every institution.loot every property private or government own asset indiscriminate killing and rape loot Donor Aid needy people can starve to death >> These outlandish claims were used once upon a time to facilitate the obtainance of Permanent Refugee status in the West. However, the white immigration men are now well informed. They will not hesitate to repatriate any nitwit dreaming afresh such a tale. <<like what had happened in Baidabo>> The whiteman knows what happened in Baydhabo. The faqash looted all the crops and even the seeds. In fact, Caydiid was the man who invited the world’s media and laid bare before the eyes of the world, the terrible plight of the people of Bay and Bakool. <<make video tapes so he can brag about killing an innocent civilians and eager to show his followers what a good deed he is doing for them so he can get more support financially.>> Which tapes? Can you tell the people where they can get the tapes? << One tape that I observed he made a speech>> Why don’t you quote for us what he said in the speech? gifted enough to make proper inferences from the data of perception and experience. <<his men executed four young men very young age>> You mean the killing of four young men was captured on the tape? No one will believe this unless you back it up with evidence. Show us the tape. To conclude, Ice Man is in dreamland. He is full of twisted heresay. All he has is a bagful of unobjective and weak claims that cannot withstand the basic test of common sense. I wonder if he is aware that the world knows about the TRUTH. Poison
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 08:29 pm Correction.I meant to say Ice Man should provide us details of the speech because I believe we are gifted enough to make proper inferences from the data of inferences and experiece. Let us see the evidence and decide for our selves.
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:05 pm Mooryaan raped Arawelo <=> Mooryaan = Poison. From above equation, we can deduce; Poison raped Arawalo! Btw... I know Arawelo is actually a man. If he wants to have a verbal tussle with me, he should remove the dirac he wearing and put on proper man's clothing. I will wait for 24 hrs for him to do this. To Arawelo, remember you are starting this; 5 times in 2 threads today, you offend Poison despite unusual restraint. Poison
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| | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 09:40 pm if they like the man just leave them alone he is already dead, what is the big deal. another point i don't blame those who support him since he give them a name no matter how. who heard about morryaan before??? the ansower nobody.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 12:09 am Poison Why are you talking smack to Arawello? Is that the Muslim way, to talk smack to Woman?? What do you think Allah will say when you have to defend yourself concerning what you just wrote. You know that Allah sees all, you aren't going to be able to fool him and say that you didn't insinuate that you approve of rape. What if that woman were your sister? As for the famine in Baidoa. It is true that the Somali National Army, under the leadership of Mohamed Sayid Hersi, destroyed the crops and the seed - practicing a scorched earth policy - which led to famine. It is also true that Mooryan under the nominal control of the USC cut the road leading to Baidoa and looted relief supplies. So either Aideed could not or would not control his militia. I think he had nothing to offer them, he did not pay them and so his influence over them, esspecially during this time frame, was limited. That having been said, Aideed was definately profitting from the war. He didn't die a poor, destitute man now did he? Furthermore, Aideeds resistance to the Americans was purely for selfish, not for nationalistic reasons. Somalia, from a resource and production point of view, has nothing to offer. It may have oil, but no one knows how much for sure. It has Uranium, but not even close to the quatities found in the US and South Africa. Basically Somalia is resource poor. The two billion plus dollars expended there for Restore / Continue Hope was not a wise investment if that was the intent. The truth is that the US / UN presence was not allowing Aideed to use his big advantage, his heavy weapons, to pressure his enemies. He was being forced to negotiate on equal footing and this did not suit him. So he felt he needed to remove the obstacle that was impeding his establishment as Somalias next dictator. I believe Aideed honestly felt he was suppose to be the next Siad Barre. So he figured he could attack and cow the UN. And why not? The UN had not proven very aggressive in the past. Unfortunately, for ol' Mohamed Farah, the US and UN decided to strike back and retaliate. And then the fight was on. Aideed miscalculated. He never figured that it would turn into a blood bath which fractured his hold on the clan and caused him to lose the Hilowle. The reason some people regard him as a hero is not because they think he had great policies, or was a great Somali leader or any other such crap. It's because they hate what the US represents and see Aideeds resistance (born of miscalculation, but let's not let the facts get in the way) as heroic. Little David fighting off Goliath. The truth is the US was a pretty gentle giant until it was provoked. And the Haber Gedir were little gremlins determined to undermine any peace process that didn't leave them sitting on top. If they had to kill some peace keepers so be it. Now Poison that's the truth of the matter. Aideed was a totally selfish individual, not the second coming of the Mad Mullah (whoisn't being considered for saint hood either).
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:16 am Poison ( the moryan) now you are telling me I started. I even did not know you. On Deember 17-04;09 am-- you left the same massage that I was raped by a moryan. You did this soleley you thought I am Daarroot. I tried to tell you the reason I used the name , but when you wrote back instead apologising you dictated to me that I cannot used it.No apology nothing. Then I saw your name here and realised you are crap. I will tell you whether I am Daroot ot Haweye you cannot insulted me like that. If you did that to your neighboor , this is the West, is not Mugadhisho. MadMac, Thanks My cousin, I knew you were a gentlemen. see you after ramadan
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:25 am Arewelo Do yourself a favour and join the nearest ESL class available in your neighbourhood. Or else use your mother for ppl to comprehend what you are saying.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:43 am Cumar, really, How do you know I do write in Somali? And can you tell me who you are? and which part of it that you did not understand, I will make sure I will explain it to you. And for your info I have studied in English, would you deny it?
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:47 am Cumar, I will tell you how morrally sick you are. You did not say a word to the guy who out of the blue insulted me. You are another moryan, are not you? Get some help before you start stealing the computers from the schools.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:54 am Arawelo, you still maintain I am mooyaan. And you associate moryaan with rape, right? So question is where did I rape you? ....and btw... whoever taught you to write english did a very shoddy job. Mad Jew, I am going out now but rest assured I will come back with a blow torch to cut up/dissect your falsehoods
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 05:07 am Poison, Very clever! You started insulting me, though, I did not know you. You said '' were you raped by a moryan?' can you deny that? Well, I will not surprise if you deny it cuz as I said you are not intellegent person. My English is rubish and yours is excellent ( no contest, I plead) I am sure that will make you happy since your mentality works like that. If we were in Mugadisho, you will destroy my qualification or perhaps will give it to your sister, but you are sad, I am here. Have a good job and writing about you. PS- The massage is only to Poison ( the moryan) , of course if you are a moryan it also applies to you as it will attract you as plus and mines . It attracted Omar.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 05:14 am Before I go....I think a little fingering of Arawelo is in order... <<I will tell you whether I am Daroot ot Haweye(?) you cannot insulted me like that(?). If you did that to your neighboor (?), this is the West(?), is not Mugadhisho.(?)>> Very poor english <<I even did not know you>> Who cares about who you know. <<And can you tell me who you are?>> He is a man who thinks you are in deep trouble. <<And for your info I have studied in English>> This is easily the biggest fib I have seen here this morning. Poison
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 05:20 am I am enjoying Arawelo's 'massage'...she loves giving massage to mooryaans...lol
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 05:24 am ''Very poor English'' Really. I told you Your English is excellent and mine is just poor. Happy now. I told you you are amoryan nothing satisfies you. I am sure a decent Habar Gedir would not agree with the way you spoke to me. ( do not use an excuse that you are defending your tribe when all what you did was insulting a lady.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 05:43 am I WILL LEAVE YOU DEAL WITH IT ON ANOTHER DAY. I AM A MUSLIM.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:14 am poison=cumar who u trying to fool...so what if u know english better than someone...it is not like it will take you out of being mooryaan...u r still a mooryaan...u talk like a little girl...u think that u r insulting arawelo...but u putting down yourself by talking like a little chic...no wonder what ice man said "Aidiid was a hero to ppl who don't have enough brains to figure out right from wrong" a perfect example is poison...just like i said before: don't brag about knowing english and all that...coz after all this somalinet...u r a mooryaan...if u know a little bit of english it doesn't mean u r not a mooryaan...it just means u r a mooryaan who knows a little bit of english
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:19 am And by the way he does not know better english than arawelo. I have raeding her replies, and it is very good english.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:46 am He prepares the postings ( he has nothing else to do, he gets government's support, huwa kazlan!) I do not give adump what I post here. I even say I do not know Englsih whenever it suits me, may be he pick up from there. He does not know English better than I do I can assure you. I wonder if anyone here will respect you anymore. So now you are preparing your crap replies! get a life moryan.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 10:21 am TO: Arawelo I heard you are in love with "Mooryaan"
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 10:27 am Yare, Before I answer your question , can you tell em what moryan means?
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 03:06 pm About the savage the truth is out there no need to be in court. About disrespecting this girl(Arawelo) and making mockery her english. It Amazes me how many idiots are running Around this forums Like this guy who love to Insult girls earlier it was T-Girl now its Arawelo. To:poisonous Stop claiming you are so Wise, smart educated because, aside from enlarging your ego, you are bragging about your self which makes you look like an ignorant individual. harassing girls online whether its T-girl or Arawelo will not make you a Bigger Man. Finally Arawelo does speak English very well Indeed, even though English is a simple language not a knowledge If someone speaks a Arabic language does that person qualifies Bright than those who don't? Later
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 04:15 pm To all. Lets put this nonsense to stop. Let me be clear and blunt. In reality, there is no Habargidir there is no Daarood, there is no Dhulbahante there is no Hawiye, only in social reality do they all exist. If Daarood and Hawiye existed we would not have had the mess we are in today in Muqdisho or Kismaayo. Warlords, clan politicians will use the last somali boy to achieve their objective. For Habargidir commentators listen this I have witnessed the exploitive techniques of the late General at bar Ubax in early 1992. Before the general arrived there was these people who were telling masses sitting at bar ubax that the general along with, Ugaaska caryka was surrounded in Kaaraan, so every one was needed. The, innocent, the naive,the nomad were all taken. Ten minutes later, while My friend and I were sitting at one of the biibitooyinka, this grey mazda pulls over breifly to see how things were progressing, and guess who was in there, the same general who would be freed in Karaan. Boy! did that have an impact on me, I left Xamar the following week. Was Ali Mahdi different? No he was telling Abgaal Wayne the same thing. Can anyone tell me how somebody in that situation would have shown sympathy for the displaced daaroods, or any other somalis? Remember, USC, the military wing was founded when Sacad was cleansed from Galkacyo. Did majerteen felt sympathy for their exiled neighbors? Are we capable of feeling each others pains? No,especially when you have such a somber fact. It is the same fact that prevented Mareehan and daarood, as well as somalis in general to feel the pains of Reer Wuqooyi when 500,000 people were displaced. And the worst of all when they came to Xamar, we called them qaxooti. The masses are being lied to, in short Waa noola been guuray. We killed each other just to make worthless people rulers. It is nonsensical to argue the greatness of such people. When I commented on the article I did so as social scientist, being objective. However I made it clear that he was bad man in terms of religion. The reason I posed the question can a national figure arise from darood was simple to make people aware the absance of such figure in somali history regardless of clan, and the need to start the debate of getting one. By the way someone could have said, what about hawiye, and Isaaq? That was where I wanted things to go? My friend ANONYMOUS, I love somalis, but I can see the heavy burden which prevents them from seeing the way things are. Remember The ultimate loyalty is the one from the Qur'aan and the Sunna,all the rest will only lead you to your dawn fall.
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| | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 10:14 pm Aidid was a well educated man that held a PHD in International Law. Because of his education he was made ambassador to India. Another reason was because he was a threat to the Siad Barre regime. And Barre distanced himself from him. Aidid was a very smart and diplomatic man. Look at what he did to the U.S. Anyone remember Gen. Howe? They all left the country. And before they left, they shook Aidid's hand. He won the war with the U.S., not physically, but politically. He out-played them. Aidid used any means neccesary to accomplish his main task which was to kick the U.S. out even it meant hundreds of women and children had to die in the process. That is how war is, you loose a lot and you gain a lot. Somalia was not destroyed by Aidid nor was it destroyed by Siad Barre. One man can not destroy a whole country of about 8 million people, it takes a whole country, not one individual. There's no question Aidid killed many innocent beings, but that is what happens when you play the war game. He is dead today, may he rest in peace and trashing does no good for anyone. And fairly speaking, the Aidid concept is widely over-exaggerated. There are women who claim Aidid raped them, there are men that claim Aidid robbed them, there are families that claim Aidid killed their loved ones, but can One man do all of that? How can he be at so many places at once? Was he a Super-human? No, he wasn't. It is human nature to blame one person on all the problems. And that is what many have done, they have blamed everything on Aidid. He was a Great General and a Grea Leader! May he remembered for that!
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 01:19 am Muwaadin I agree with you except for the last line. Aideed was very self-aggrandizing. If he felt he needed to kill for his own personnel profit (or encourage such killing) he did. I have read the reports on this guy, and I was one of the Americans fighting him. He was personally unpredictable. His mood and approach to problems often changed significantly from day to day. In many respects, from a personality point of view, he reminds me of a Somali Adolf Hitler. Strong powers of pursuasion with a totally ruthless character. You are correct about who destroyed Somalia. The Somalis collectively did one hell of a job. However, there are many individuals who allowed themselves to be caught up in the killing and stealing and raping - who lost their moral compass. And there are many individuals who refuced to do this, who stood by their Islamic teachings and who tried to do the right thing. Just because you are involved in war doesn't not turn the world into a free for all. I have deployed to Desert Storm, Haiti, Somalia (Twice), Bosnia (three times). I have never raped a woman nor stole a thing. And any killing I was involved in was in the course of combat operations, not just shooting some poor bastard down because I didn't like the way he looked. There are limits and Aideed clearly crossed them. That is what Aideed SHOULD be remembered for. Unfortunately, he also is associated with Anti-Americanism and a "victory" over America. There are different circle in the world which regard America with contempt and will celebrate anyone as a hero who fought "successfully" against Americans.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 02:23 am May allah Rest him the hell fire, That is all i can say and dont ever mix the hroes of Somalian Such as List of Presedence Adan Abdulle Othman C/Shid Ali Sharmarke Ali Mahdi Mohamed Prime Minesters Mohamed Haji Igall A/saq haji Husein Greatest In Milatery General Daud Abdule Hirsi General Mohamed abshir Muse General Salad Gabeyre General Aynaanshe General Dheeel General Abdullahi Ahmed Polititions Dr Ismail Jima'ale Osoble Dr Shaati guddud Zobe Abdullahi Ise Farah Moryaan Abaha mooryanta, Siad Bare Ardeyda Ge Aidid Osman Atto (Who Sold our country) Abdi Qaasim Jila'oow Ali ugas Morgan Gabyow gaani Qanyare And many others those we is the real heros of thgeir country, One will argue about Ali mahadi, but he was elected by many Somalians even if you say Manifesto, Manifesto was the higest Polittions somalia has ever had Including Greatest Ever For Somalians (Adan Ade) and many others. So, Say me Adan Ade was ignorant who rule the country with dignity in seven years and Aidid was Hero. You can see the rsult of your questionaries who Aiodid was Simply Moryaan and if you want now more about hime have word with Dr Shati Guduud.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 03:10 am Dr. Kalay I think the jury is out on Ali Mahdi. However, to his detriment he maintained an alliance with, essentially employed, Jila'oow, who is without question someone of criminal character (they didn't call it jila'oows hole for nothing). If you employ such people you accept at least some responsibility for what those people do.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 03:27 am Ice-man, Hats off my brother. Thank you. You know his attitute highlights the danger of going back to Somalia.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 04:49 am Arawelo Fear not, yeah though you walk through the valley of the Mooryan, you shall fear no evil, for MAC is with you. His rifle and his pistol, they comfort you. He layeth you down... we'll skip that part.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 07:54 am Salaams to all, It always amuzes me how the somalis want to know your clan even on the forums. I was compiled to read this thread. I think Durgal was very objective and realistic in his last post. But I am not sure about the first one, and I think there is a contradiction in it. First, you start with ' he left a legacy' and then you said '' I doubted if he can be a replicment' I cannot understand this other than he was a hero. Can you explain that to me.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 08:12 am Aideed Was a man with priciples. And the problem is many dislike ppl who have decent priciples. Aideed believed in not selling the country. He refused to make deals with the US and their companies who were lined to make lucrative contracts with him incase he became president. If his ultimate goal was to become a president no matter what, he would have easily choosen that route, sale cheaply for maximum power, which fortunately he never did. Aideed believed that somali problem can only be solved by the Somalis. No matter how powerful another country is, it none of their business in getting tangled in the Somali politics. The US did try but alas they got a real kick. Aideed Had a vision for Somalia. He believed in the empowerment of people. He believed in the equality of all somalis. The fact that he fought against people like the former military regime or the manifesto was part of the process of ensuring that all somalis became equal. He never wanted to see anyone tribe dominate another, but he was tough on those who he saw as perpetrators of injustice. Aideed adviced the manifesto group not to form a government until all those involved in the fall of military regime such as the SNM, SSDF etc and any other stake holders to come to the table in 1991, but against that advice we saw the consequence in doing so. Somali became fructured from that day. Aideed was a simple man. Down to earth. He always encouraged the young to acquire education and mature ppl to fear and worship Allah. He would normally visit those injured in hospital and confort them. He believed in Somalia's Justice system to be based on Islamic principles and the respect of Somali culture to the extend that it did not conflict with Islam. May allah rest him in peace Amiin
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 08:36 am Mad Mac, are you suggesting that Aideed should have bowed down to the US and its puppet the UN? For him to allow and stand-by while the US/UN re-colonised Somalia is what you would have liked to see? For the US/UN to set up a puppet government which takes instructions directly from washington? Man you must be dreaming to get all that in a silver spoon. I do not see the relevancy of Aideed's wealth in the issue being discussed here. But since you have brought it up, lets look at what you had to say about it... "I think he had nothing to offer them, he did not pay them ..." and "That having been said, Aideed was definately profitting from the war. He didn't die a poor, destitute man now did he?" It is obvious even with the untrained eyes, the contradiction between your own words show how little you know about Aideed or rather you have fallen a victim to your governments own propaganda to demonise Aideed. You continue in proving that you fell a victim on the American propaganda when you state, “I have read the reports on this guy, and I was one of the Americans fighting him” Let me ask you who the author of the report was? Was is it anyone with knowledge about Aideed? And how sure are we about the truth on those reports? Mad mac it is distubing to see how you use the words Peace-keeper and the way you brag on how they bloody they were. However if you call them peacekeepers can you explain why they attacked harmless somali elders who had in their agenda on how to creat peaceful environment?
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 09:02 am Mad, you said<<the Somali National Army, under the leadership of Mohamed Said Hersi and Siyyaad Barre, destroyed the crops and the seed - practicing a scorched earth policy>>. I could not agree with you more. That is the authentic truth about the cause of the famine in Baydhaba. And I am afraid it contrasts sharply with attitude of the anti-Caydiid herd. They move heaven and earth to lay blame at the hero’s doorstep. Again may almighty allah rest him in piece. Poison.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 09:12 am to mad mac: u fought in somalia and bosnia and haiti...as an american soldier...so u r what they call a war veteran huh looooooooooooooooooooool let me guess, on your vacatons u come to somalinet to post messages
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 10:15 am Boy a lot of ground to cover here. First let's start with Wisdom. Suck my dick. I don't care if you believe me or not. Now, on to more sensient observers here. Cumar The reports came from all sources. Some first hand, some second hand. My own observations about the SNA and the methodologies of Aideed are generally what formed my opinion though. There were no lucrative deals to be cut. By the time we showed up the place had been stripped. There were no working factories, some banana plantations. Face it, Somalia is a poverty stricken place with few financial incentives for Western Companies. This is your Arab influenced Somalia paranoia working overtime. Poisonous. While I'll be the first to admit the scorched earth policy instigated by Morgan was the principal cause of the famine (aggravated by drought) Aideed did nothing to improve the situation. His Mooryan cut the LOCs and looted relief supplies. The Rahanweyne, who suffered bitterly as a result, were of no interest to the Haber Gedir except in how they could be exploited. I saw all of this first hand, so it would be pretty tough for you to convince me something else was at work here.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 11:04 am Poison= Omar So you are trying to talk about politics. Kazlan akbar!
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 11:05 am oh the american soldier is losing patience... couldn't u find some other way to impress these ppl...first of all u r not an american soldier... and secondly being an american soldier is not something to brag about...it doesn't prove s.h.i.t... it only proves that u r a toy talking orders from some white guy in a office... pls pls we r beggging u...don't be bragging about being a toy...u think that u r impressing ppl by saying i was in somalia with the american soldiers fighting against aidid loooooooooooooooool hahahahahahahahhahahhaha that is very funny i just got 1 thing to tell u: CUT THE BULLS.H.I.T
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 11:14 am mad mac i also heard other ppl calling u a jew...u brag about every shameful thing in the world...u need to get a life...u brag about every thing u see on tv...being an american soldeir, being a jew...what is next: i was doing the recounting of votes at florida give the ppl a break man...they r tired of your lies... dadka waxaa u dhiibeysaa been aanan lugo leheyn... lugo usoo yeel bahasha marka hore
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 01:49 pm He had nice big us, which is suitable to fit my dick
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 07:25 pm Arawelo is desparate to suck my cock. Here is poison's email: poisonous_2001@hotmail.com It is possible to arrange a meeting.
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 07:37 pm M.A. Kalay, As a Muslim, you should know that you can not wish for someone to die, nor can you wish for someone to perish in hell. Also, What makes Abdi-Qassim a Moryan? Because he is Hawiye, automatically he becomes a Moryan? Let me tell you something, I know Cabdi-Qassim personally. He never picked up a gun and fought with anyone all of his life. We were childhood friends, and only someone who doesn't know him would talk such nonesense. I was in Mogadisho a week ago, and went to Cabdi-Qassim's house. I couldn't believe what I saw, dozens of beggars and relatives were all over the house awaiting for their afur. I was told by one of the guards that everyday, since the Ramadan started hundreds of people have been fed. C/Qassim is a very religious man and never participated in what happened in Somalia. Your arrogance is quite interesting. You actually chose Shatigadud and Zope as your "Politicians". Are you familiar with Zope's history? Zope was the same man that voted against Somali Independance during the Italian colonization era. He was with the Xisboyo party that fought against the S.Y.L. He sucked up to the Italians, and to anyone who had white skin for that matter. If anyone sold Somalia it sure is him. As for Shatigadud, are you serious? The same man that washes Ethiopia's ass? He sucks up to Ethiopia because he suffers from inferiority complexity disorder. Ethiopian soldiers are crawling all over Bay and raping Somali women as we speak. All because of Shatigadud. He recently imposed a fee on International aid planes landing in Baidoa, the same planes that are bringing food and medicine to that region. You should have added Morgan in your "Politician" list. That would have highlighted even more your "Qabilistic" ideologies. MM, Aidid was a very self determined and ambitious man. He stopped at nothing to get what he wants. Just like his enemy, Siad Barre. Both men wanted it all and stopped at nothing to get it all. Anyone that came stood in their way was crushed. With Barre it was SNM and North Somalia. With Aidid it was Abgal and the others!
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| | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 11:53 pm Muwadin That about sums it up. Had MAD MAC had his way he would have been 6 feet under long before 3 October 1993. But that's another story. Wisdom - Don't be a moron you fucking dumbass. I am the white guy in the office. Look, if you don't think I am who I say I am, E-Mail poisonous and he can confirm he. He knows folks who met me in Africa. Poison In spite of being a short white guy, I have had some success with the ladies. I could be wrong here, but telling a woman she is desperate to suck your dick and dropping her your E-Mail after having insulted her for days is probably not a good dating technique.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 08:42 am oh now u r the ones who sit in the office... what is next: only God knows what u gonna up with next... man your lies have no bounds...they r even contradicting each other
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 08:59 am to mad mac (that gaal idiot) mad mac why u keep on talking s.h.i.t like that: "Had MAD MAC had his way he would have been 6 feet under long before 3 October 1993. But that's another story." mad mac do u expect us to believe that bulls.h.i.t loooooooooooooool give the ppl a break man...they r fasing i'll update u with what u have said so far: 1. u are a jew 2. u r an american soldier 3. u fought against Aidid in xamar, u fought in bosnia, haiti etc. 4. then u said u don't fight, u give orders 5. u are a short white guy what is next? just like i said before...u claim to be whatever u see on tv
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:01 am to mad mac (that gaal idiot) mad mac why u keep on talking s.h.i.t like that: "Had MAD MAC had his way he would have been 6 feet under long before 3 October 1993. But that's another story." mad mac do u expect us to believe that bulls.h.i.t loooooooooooooool give the ppl a break man...they r fasing i'll update u with what u have said so far: 1. u are a jew 2. u r an american soldier 3. u fought against Aidid in xamar, u fought in bosnia, haiti etc. 4. then u said u don't fight, u give orders 5. u are a short white guy what is next? just like i said before...u claim to be whatever u see on tv... i wonder how he can be all these things he's claiming to be all at once...
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 09:05 am what: ask poison... why should i ask him after all u say u were the gaal who was living next to me in xamar... his name was 'food cade'... don't u even say that u were 'food cade' loooooooool but i think aw gaaloow who u used to live hodan
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 11:18 am Wisdom (which I doubt you have any). I lived on the embassy compound. I was the QRF S2. Let's see, can I name the bases. Hunter. University Compound Embassay Compound (these were defacto one) Sword Base Airport Newport (also connected) Pakistani compound across from university (actually this was part of the old university compound) Paki Stadium Those were the big ones. We established a smaller one near Jasira by the refinery and the Indians had one that was near the old wind farm. My nickname there was Hubka Dhig. My soldiers called me CPT MAC. I assume by the stupid word Yahuudi you mean Jew. I never said I was a Jew (I am not) others have made that accussation. Although I hardly believe my faith is relevant to this discussion. Now look, you want to confirm who I am, it's easy enough. You don't, I don't care. Whatever dude. BTW I never heard of Food Cade. But maybe this name will ring a bell to you, if you were there: Tabaco Weyne. He was an associate of mine.
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| | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 11:35 am loooooooooooooooooooooooool 
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| | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 01:22 pm WISDOM What's your problem? I didn't post the LONG LIVE AIDEED BULLS-HIT aight? So before U try to trash people down Stop and RESPECT CAPISHE......I ain't HABAR GIDIR(Habargirdir PPL no offence)......And I am never gonna disrespect the poor dead fella? That ain't a very muslim way to treat a dead person.... QULWALLE would be nice if ya read for him. Look into it. ICE-MAN So far U have proved to be the man I truely admire in the forumss......And I don't say that very often. It is great honour to have you in our vicinity. MAD"MILLITARY"BOY Your name should have been TROUBLEBOY.....U always causing trouble wherever U go man. What's up with that? How's the Thai lady doing? U knocked up yet(I meant married)LOL.... PEACE
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| | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 07:13 pm TroubleGirl Did u say ur not Habar Gedir I'm ur mom and I'm Habar Gedir what do u say about that? u know ur dad was a wise man when he named u TroubleGirl. He is a very wise qaldaan man unlike most of qaldaans. My daughter remember that Habar Gedir are meant to make trouble where ever they go and ur doing the right thing. Preserve our Habar Gedir traditions of trouble making.
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| | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:00 pm TROUBLEGIRL AND ME ARE COUSINS AND WERE BOTH HAWIYE. I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE'S DENYING IT. MAYBE SHE'S ASHAMED OR MAYBE SHE'S IN HER LITTLE DENIAL PHASE. TROUBLEGIRL BE PROUD OF YOUR ROOT'S. P.S. LONG LIVE AIDIID AND TO ALL YOU FUCKING FAQASH BASTARDS GO TO HELL.
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 02:23 am Now I get it......It's got something to do with my Screen-name......? Troublegirl.......Oh I C....So I cause trouble and I should be Habar-gidir coz of my nature. U guys are sooooo naive. I swear it ain't even funny the amount of stupidity generated in Somalinet. Anyway just cause Habar-gidir caused chaos in Somalia doesn't describe who I AM............I ain't flipping Habargidir? So deal with it or Vamouse Capishe? Flipping Imbread alpinos. GhettoGirl I know that ain't you sis......People trying to use your name.......Sad ey...But that's life...Take care sis
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 04:31 am Previously everybody was mareexaan, whereas now everyone wants to become habar gedir. It is fashionable you know... Poison
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 06:13 am There is nothing wrong of bean habargidir aight. There are the clan to be at the moment aideed RIP
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 07:00 am poisonous it's fashionable to become a mooryaan in xamar it's fashionable for a mooryaan to be happy with statelessness it's fashionable for xamar mooryaans to talk about nothing but drugs that's what i call upto date fashion for low life mooryaans get a life silly mooryaan TroubleGirl now u washed ur hands from mooryaans but ur screen name is causing u a hell of a problem m ayaqaane o oman o rdaaye r ag iyo dumar qale y axaas a an naxeeyn a an iska naxeeyn n olol fiican ka quuste = mooryaan
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 01:08 pm looooooooool @poison and yare why u ppl like talking s h i t...u know who every one wants to be now-a-days
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 03:13 pm HAWIYE: HABAR GIDIR!; SALEBAN; YOU GOT BORN INTO HABAR GIDIR TO BE ONE. •••• •••• ••• •••• •••• AND •••• LONG LIVE HABAR GIDIR AIDID IS IN OUR MEMORY. HE WAS MY NEIGHBOR. WHAT A LEADER!
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 05:35 pm who give a F U C K if he was your neighbour. go tell it to someone who cares.
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| | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 06:03 pm WISDOM I DON'T LIKE TO INSULT WOMEN OR SHELL I SAY GIRLS. IT SEEMS YOU CARE.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 12:16 am BRO. so we should not insult u aight?
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 04:03 am RIGHT
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 06:29 am TO: Wisdom Why are u anti habargidir sista just tell me, you can hate all of us aight. Just tell us the reason why? Dont just playa hate aight.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 06:38 am so f.u.c.k u faqash.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 08:12 am loooooooooool first of all i am not a sister. secondly i didn't dis no tribe i was just putting u guys on the right track...u guys were saying that habar gidir r the right ppl to be right now...looooooooool that was a good one... i don't if it was a joke or anything else... but the reality is completely different from what u guys said...that is all i have to say...
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 08:22 am and i don't hate the ppl u talking about... i hate all mooryaan...so do all the somalis... u guys r all supporting Aidid and saying that he is a hero and all that just coz he belonged to your so called tribe...one of u guys even admitted that your tribe had no heros in their history and Aidid is the only hero u guys had...if it is like that than u guys r all ignorant and u have shown that in the messages u post...i bet u guys don't even know s h i t about aidid...u think that he was a USC hero...sure he fought with darod (your biggest enemy)...but u r forgetting that it wasn't only darod he fought against...lets make things short and forget about rahanweyn and abgaal which aidid also fought with...jsut look at who killed him...his own cousins killed him... how come the ppl who killed him didn't see him as a hero...u guys r supporting someone blindly...i bet aidid's army was full of ppl like u...too bad they were too dumb to understand that they would die for nothing...
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 06:29 pm yare cuz Hawiyaa are Moryaan,they are closest to jareer...only the inter marriages of Darood made them look a little more somali.Thats the reason and its not playa hating.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 09:03 pm Was that meant to be funny, Anon? God! People are filled with "Qabilistic" hate! Hawiye, Darod, Dir, are all Somali beings. They all have "Good looking people" and they all have "Ugly people." They all have messed up people and they all have decent people. I've seen a beautiful Hawiye girl, a beautiful darod girl, a beautiful dir girl. I also saw a beautiful "Jareer" girl. I also saw the opposite for all of them. "Qabiil" was a system that was mainly incorprotated to cause chaos within Somalis. It is called "Divide and Conquer." The Europeans (The Brits) are quite fond of it. I don't like using the word "Tribe", I'll use Kinship Groups instead. You see, all these Kinship groups existed before colonialism, and they all lived peacefuly together, there were ocassional fightings, but the hightlight of it all came after colonialism. Don't take my word for it, it is all there in the history books. Aidid, was many things, but nevertheless, he was the greatest at what he was, no one even came close! And I do not belong to his K. group. And I do not have fantasies about him. I merely mentioned what he was, and still is. Ciid Wanaagsan.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 11:25 pm Yes Muwaadin. I have been saying all along that not all Caydiid supporters are from his Kinship group. I have also been saying there exists, particular groups of evil Somalis who blame Caydiid for the devastation of Somalia. Right from the beginning, it was obvious to observers of Somali affairs that the anti-Caydiid ppl are mainly composed of the same ones who, for thirty bleeding years, had misruled, ravaged and laid to waste Somalia and whatever little resources it had. To these people, Caydiid remains (even in death) a monster of unparalleled proportions, not only because he put them out of power, but more importantly, he awoke a sleeping giant who now knows and will take nothing short of what is due to him. Effectively, no one can mislead Somalis about any fact or figure, neither can anyone peddle a distortion of any kind. In a nutshell Caydiid liberated Somaliness and the truth about our heritage and traditions from the clutches of a few. To end, I opine that Somalia never got the good fortune to be ruled by its most nationalist son. That chance vanished the day the faqash herded all their kinsmen on the road to Kismaayo and on to UTANGE and KAKUMA refugee camps. Poison.
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| | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 11:45 pm Well Put together Poisonous, you share my exact sentiments. Aidid has comitted many crimes, but that is what happens in a war. In my opinion, he was a very ambitious man that wanted to be the Greatest Leader modern Somalia had ever seen, and in that aspect, he succeeded undoubtly. There are numerous Somalis, who blame Aidid for all of Somalia's devastations. He was not responsible for all that happened to Somalia. The thing that amazes me the most about him is the fact that he was at war with Abgal, Murusade, Hawadle, Darood, and Ethiopia all at once and was defeating them all. How can anyone achieve anything like that? He kept the Ethiopians out as much as he could, but after his death, they all seeped in. In his own awkward ways, Aidid was a Somali nationalist. I even remember of him being against the exporting of Dhuxusha, since it is made from cutting down the trees. He fought with many of his own people, because he refused it. He was even an Enviromentalist in his own unique ways. But try telling people such things, it is like their mind is programmed in one way, they lack the ability to switch frequencies. Aidid was a human-being, he had his negative side as well as his positive attributions. And he didn't comitt everything people accuse him of. It is human nature to blame the leader for everything. For all we know he could not have been behind all the killings. No one actually ever saw him at the market shooting women and children personally! All I've to say about him is he was the Greatest in Modern Somalia, May he always exist in our hearts, Aamiin!
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| | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 02:05 am T-Girl Hi Abai. Yeah we're still together and going strong. Maybe some day you can come down for a visit. It's a short plane ride to Munich. Alas, when the nicknames were handed out I got the awkward Hubka Dhig!! What can I say? As for the rest of you. After having carefully analyzed all the commentary about the late Mohammed Farah Aideed, I have come to the conclusion that he was a scum sucking, Somali Sand Pimp and his offing was in the best interests of all.
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| | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 02:34 am <<I have come to the conclusion that he was a scum sucking, Somali Sand Pimp and his offing was in the best interests of all.>> That was uncalled for Mad Major and you should know better. Suppose I call Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson American Sand Pimps....?
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| | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 08:27 am Mon deiu!!! what is this lame propoganda! Are the moryaan soo brianwashed as to hallucinate that Caydiid was hero. If Caydiid qualifies as a hero, then we need to redefine the term hero. Caydiid had no vision or an agenda except to displace Afweyne. He was not a leader for Somali people but like the man Afweyne he was for his tribe. Granted that he had the qualties to be a great leader however he was blinded by his shortsightedness and lack of vision. I don't need to go into details, but those of you who seek the truth from logical point of view rather than an emotional one; need only to look at his legacy to see the measure of this pathetic shadow of a leader.
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| | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 08:54 am correction to muaadin's last msg. u said aidid fought against Abgal, Murusade, Hawadle, Darood, and Ethiopia ALL AT ONCE. u r absolutely wrong there...he didn't fight them all at once...when he was fighting darod it was the whole USC with abgal and murusade...and when did he fight with ethiopia?...and u forgot ogaden from your list of those who were his friends and then he fought against them... "He kept the Ethiopians out as much as he could, but after his death, they all seeped in."---when did he keep the ethiopians out...ok lets say for argument sake he kept them out...u said ethiopians kept on coming in somalia after his death...WHICH IS A VERY BIG LIE...maybe u meant xamar...but don't say somalia... ethiopia is hussein aidid's biggest ally and i doubt that aidid fought against ethiopians...u can say ethiopia comes into xamar and baydhabo and does whatever it wants but don't say the whole of somalia...there r places in somalia where no ethiopian dares to enter... muwaadin you are posting nothing but lies... what r u gonna get by posting lies... u think ppl who know what really happened and what is happening will agree with your lies... to poison: how dare u compare aidid to any president...he is not even close to Siad Barre...and if u say Siad Barre was looting the property of the government for 21 years...walaahay aidid did worse things than Siad Barre with the little bit of power he had... and u r lying too u lie every time u post a little message... i challenge both of u to prove a sentence of mine wrong...i bet u can't... so ppl if u want to have a good discussion take the lies out of it...
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 06:27 am mad-mac I can see you are aghast as to how anyone can consider Aideed to be anything other than a minor thug! A little history lesson might clarify things for you. I know the following will not be accepted by many, but no one can challenge it's veracity or accuracy. Please remember my intention is not to offend, but to enlighten The Hawiyas, although mainstream Somali, and numerically by far the biggest of the "big Three", has always been considered "inferior", almost slave-like, by the more nomadic Daaroods for centuries. And like other oppressed populations in the world, the Hawiye came to accept this "racial" inferiority. They never once in their history challenged the rule of the Daarood. They lacked the collective self-confidence to fight the Siyad Barre regime, which was of course Daarood-based. Until that is Aideed came on the scene. All of a sudden, here was a Hawiye prepared to challenge the Daarood supermacy and defeat it. The Hawiye masses were elated. Never again will they be treated as second-class citizens in their own land; never again will they work as servants and farm-hands for Daarood aristocrats. Pillaging property and raping Daarood maidens was considered as a sort of "pay-back" for centuries of Daarood snobbery and oppression (although in reality, the latter was exaggerated). So can you now see why the Hawiye massess should look upon Aideed to be hero? To the average Hawiye, it did not matter that Aideed turned the once graceful Mogadishu into a giant mound of rubble and garbage; that no other man in History has been responsible for so many Hawiye deaths, that he was a power-hungry maniac who reduced the Hawiye clan into penury, or that the man caused the biggest Famine, the Hawiye and Somalia has ever seen! Nothing matters. He was their liberator and hero! Does that explain things? Ciid Wanaagsan.
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 08:53 am thanks halyey for making me understand what this ppl were talking about...maybe that's the reason why USC was not interested in establishing a government...all they wanted was to get revenge... but that was very ignorant of them... they could have established a government after making Siad Barre live xamar instead of going after darod in kismayo...and after they get the government and some powerful weapons then they should have taken their revenge from whoever...they chose to rush things instead of using some brains...
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 09:31 am Wisdom Who was sheilding Siad Barre in Kismayo???????
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 09:38 am Loool! That is the biggest load of bull crap I've heard so far, Hayley. From what I understand, you sound like a bitter Darood individual. Somalis all know their history, wheter they be Darood or Hawiye. Your pathetic little attempts at re-shaping history will not convince anyone otherwise so why don't you rest your case? Hawiye as "Slave-like"? That's quite humoring. Darood have been known to be a whiny lot. You can not accept defeat, instead you brag about how "Noble" and "Arab" you all are. Well, if that is the case, what on earth are you doing in the Horn of Africa? I suggest you all return to where you came from. Somalia is only for Somalis, we don't need Arabs. What a wasted effort, Mr.I-want-to-sound-intellectual! Better Luck next time! Hawiye people are Somalis who live in through out Somalia. They outnumber any other kinship group in Somalia. They have decent people who fear God and they have those that don't. Your choreogaphed paragraphs do not shatter the true image of the Hawiye kinship group! And Aidid was the Greatest, no doubt about that, regardless of his kinship group!
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 01:39 pm Muwaadin I am sorry you think my intentions were tribal. They weren't. Are you saying that Daaroods have never looked down upon the Hawiye and considered them inferior? Of course it doesn't make sense, and as I said earlier, Hawiyas are by far the biggest mainstream Somali clan in the land. but this Daarood attitude was, I am afraid a historical fact. An illustrating little story/poem for you from Sayid MA Hassan. He wanted an inconspicous spy to go to Burao and see how much forces does the British and their Isaaq allies have in that city. He settled on a Hawiye fella and when sending him on this mission, he advised, disdainfully: " O' I never employed an Hawiye before; take your tattered rags and dull blanket; the Iidoors will never notice [such a peasant looking] you" Many Daaroods still harbour some sense of superiority, but they know they will never succesfully rule the Hawiye masses again. I am sorry you feel that this is somehow an insult to Hawiye honor. On the contrary it shows the Daaroods as unreasonable and snobbish. You of course fail to offer an alternative explanation as to why so many Hawiyas consider Aideed to be a hero. It is idiotic to say that he deserves this tag simply because he managed to kill 18 Americans who came to feed the (mainly hawiye) starving. Ciid wanaagsan
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| | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 11:13 pm Halyey I think your version is a little over-simplified. First of all, let's start with the assertion that Darood have always ruled Hawiya. The first president of Somalia was Ugajin - a small Hawiya sub-clan affiliated with (but not an actual linear part of) the Abgal. True Said Abdulla Mohammed Hassan (Hope I got that name right - his name always troubles me) was Darood, and he was the first Somali-superstar on the world scene. I think that's what gave Darood the feeling of a leg up on everyone else. Or perhaps their closer geographic and historical ties to mainland Arabia and hence to Islam. Whatever the cause, I don't doubt Darood felt superior, but I do question whether or not tht translated to the Hawiya feeling inferior. The Siad Barre government had many victims (including ultimately the Marehan). But early on his victims list included the Majertain. Many Majertain intellectuals were considered a threat right after his initial seizure of power and were quickly imprisoned (such as Mohammed Abshir Mussa). The truth is that in the short term only the Marehan benefitted as a group. There were other individuals (like Morgan, Ali Ugas and Jilliaow) who benefited, but as a group only the Marehan would be said to have done so. And in the end they were finished too. I think the root explanation for this hero worship of Aideed comes down closer to the fundamental conflict going on between the Islamic world and the Secular Western movement. Aideeds resistance to Operation Continue Hope is seen in these circles as a jihad against kufaar - the biggest kufaar of all, the US. He represents the oppressed Moslem, the oppressed Somali, rising up against his oppressor and driving him out against all odds. The truth isn't even a shadow of this representation. But to the uneducated in this conflict, the imagery is what is important, not the reality. Hence in spite of the obvious - that Aideed was self-aggrandizing, that Aideed put his own interests above those of his people, clan or even immediate family, all of that is irrelevant. For the purposes of his posterity he was fortunate enough that his personal interests brought him into direct conflict with the hated US and therefore propelled him into notorious (or famous) status. Anyone who successfully wields some power and fights the US gets this recognition in certain circles of the world. And 9 out of 10 Haber Gedir will venerate Aideed simply because he put them on the map. So while the practical results of Aideeds acts have had a profoundly negative impact on Somalis as a whole, he continues to get top billing in the "we hate America" club. Poisonous Calling Abe Lincoln a sand pimp just doesn't have the poetic descriptive power as when applied to Aideed. And Aideed was not quite the calibre of man that Lincoln was. You would do better to compare him to Joe McCarthy.
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| | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 07:17 pm Halyey, Anyone can invent and re-shape history as they pleased, including the holocaust victims. You contradict yourself when you say that Hawiye is the largest kinship group and at the same time, they were inferior. How can a small minority of people who were supposedly immigrants to Somalia rule the majority? Did you know that the Ajuran kinship group ruled Somalia for hundreds of years? Were they Daarood? No, they were Irir. They were finally eliminated by the Abgal kinship group, who took power in the capital. If anything, the Daarood group have always been looked upon as being inferior by many groups in Somalia including Hawiye. The tale goes that when the Darood child came to Somalia, and climbed the tree, the Hawiye man did not let him use his body to come down the tree, instead the Dir man did. Hawiye referr to Daarood as being Arabs and have always hated to be affiliated with them. I really don't know who you are trying to fool here by writing such nonesense. And as for quoting such a statement from M.A. Hassan, which I really think is a lie, does not prove your point. Even if what he said is true, he was one man and does not represent the whole Daarood kinship group. As for Aidid, he was a hero not just to Hawiye, but to many others. He was a simple of Somali resistance. It's not because he killed a few American soldiers, it is because he was a very diplomatic man. Many Somali warlords and leaders lack what he had. He had an agenda, he was very ambitious and his main goal was to rule all of Somalia, which of coarse did not take place. Since what he wanted most in the world didn't happen, he destroyed everything and everyone on his way. He attacked anyone that posed a threat to his power. He killed, he destroyed, but he did all of it, because of his ambitions which was to build a great nation, that was ruled by him. So, you see in essence he was the greatest when compared to the others!
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| | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 08:38 pm muwaadin walaahay u know the reality...u know the hatred that USC had in them...i heard from many ppl saying that the hawiya ppl talk about how they were slaves and all...that is were the hatred comes from... and don't change every thing into darood and hawiya...Sayyid MAxamad Cabdulle Hassan wasn't fighting for darood...he was fighting with gaalo...the hawiya ofcourse were looked at being inferior that time and even alot of years after that...back then it was the muslims fighting against the british and their isaaq allies...this might sound a little rude to isaaq ppl but that is the reality... and the second thing is that in the history of somalia there have been so many wars...we r nomadic ppl...ofcourse every tribe had its enemies...they robbed each others' camels and other cattle...but they never raped women or killed children...they knew such things would bring a bad name to their whole clan...killing prisoners was also seen unmanly...but the worst thing about the last war is that all those rules were broken...and the reason for that is the hawiya felt that they have been slaves throughout history and wanted to take revenge...and they never fought before in history...so they were unfamiliar with the manliness that the superior had...and the reason why u say Aidiid was a hero is because he is the one who made sure that hawiya will never be seen inferior to darood anymore...he was a hero in that sense... if u disagree with all that i said i got some questions for u: what is the reason for slaughtering innocent ppl in xamar?and what was all the torturing about? if they wanted to kill them they could have just shot them...but why torture innocent lives...i have heard ppl who were hammered with 6 inch nails on their head, ppl slaughtered and the list goes on... if u say that u guys didn't feel inferior ro darood than what was all these hatred about? answer those questions...
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| | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 09:12 pm Wisdom, Firstly, I am not Hawiye nor am I daarood. So, please stop reffering me to "u guys". I was in Mogadisho after the Siad Barre war. I've never seen or heard of any Daarood person being hammered with 6'' nails or anything like that. I've seen Daarood civillians being killed and chased by Hawiye Mooryaans. I've also seen other Hawiye people risking their own lives to protect Daarood people. It all depends on the individuals. I've also seen Daarood Mooryaans killing Hawiye civillians. And other Daarood people risking their own lives to protect those Hawiye people. It all depended on the people. You can not generalize a whole group of people of millions. People vary, there are those that killed and those that didn't. There are those that feared Allah and harmed no one and those that didn't care. It all depends on the people and not their kinship group. Therefore, it is wrong of you to generalize all Hawiye people. As for the hatred you talk of which you say is because the Hawiye feel inferior, that is absolutely untrue. There were many Daarood people who killed and tortured Hawiyes, I've seen an old Hawiye man that was made to crawl on his knees for miles and then shot to death by Dhulbahante soldiers, what was the need to do this? I can say, why did the Daarood feel so inferior that they had to be filled with such hate? The slaughters you speak of were not comitted only against Daarood, they were comitted against many other kinship groups. These crimes were comitted by individuals and not by the whole Hawiye kinship group. And the ones that tortured and slaughtered the Daarood and others didn't do this because they were feeling inferior, but because they chose to do so. No one kinship group can be blamed for the crimes that took place in Somalia. There are criminals in every kinship group including my own. As for Hawiye feeling inferior. Why would they need to feel inferior? They are the majority, it is their land. It does not make sense. Somalis hate Arabs, so why will Hawiye be inferior to Daarood who were supposedly Arabs? Remember, Arabs are looked down upon by Somalis. I agree with you about M.A. Hassan, he was a Somali man that was fighting in the name of Islam and Somalia. Halyey, tried to make a point that he was Daarood and felt good about being so. From what I know, he was a decent man that strived for Somalia's sake, he was also a man that knew the religion, and anyone that knows the religion will not look down upon anyone else. I've never heard of the Hawiye people being slaves to Daarood or vice versa. This is really new to me. I know that other kinship groups were servants, but I never heard of the Hawiyes being in that position. The thing is, Somalis like to live in a fantasy world and every kinship group tries to make themselve seem the best, the most noble, and the most righteos. We are all Somalis, we know our history, and no one can tell us something which isn't true. Some Somalis even brag about being Arabs and nobles, why are Arabs in the middle of Africa? Of all the things to brag about why that? I respect Arabs, let's not forget our Prophet(PBUH) was an Arab, but what do they have to do with Somalia? As for Aidid being looked as because he destroyed the inferior belief the Hawiye group had, that is really lame. Aidid was not a Hawiye leader, many Hawiye hate his guts, including his own. He has nothing to do with the "Inferior phenomenon." I simply said he was the greatest, and I am not even Hawiye!
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| | Thursday, December 28, 2000 - 06:38 am Muawadin SAVE IT! You a Big MORYAAN!
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| | Friday, December 29, 2000 - 10:33 am Mad-mac I think it is your understanding of the situation that lacks depth and background knowledge. It is sometimes wise to remember that you are a foreigner, and although you are well-informed about Somali affairs, ANY Somali, knows tons more about the place and its people than you will ever do! So please restrain that whitey arrognace of trying to educate people about their own culture and country and history, you will only succeed in demonstrating just how shallow your knowledge of this subject actually is. (by the way, the Clan is called Ujeejeen not Ugajin, and it Sayid Muhammad Abdulla Hassan) Almost every Somali knew and understood what I said above! They may pretend otherwise, but they knew it to be the truth. You see, there is a general Anthropological thumb-print which always holds true in Somalia and other parts of Africa: Where a Nomad and a Sedentary farmer collide, the Nomad is always socially superior. In General terms most Hawiyas are mixed farmers while almost all Daaroods are Nomads. The Northeastern Daarood kingdoms ruled whole swathes of the Hawiye clans reaching the Shabelle and Hiran in the hinterland and Adale on the Indian Ocean coast for centuries before Colonialism. These continued to levy taxation on the Hawiya tribes till the Europeans abolished it as recently 1913. This "superiority complex" was exploited by the Italians and almost the whole of the senior Civil service and the senior ranks of the Police were almost exclusively Daarood. That rule of the Daarood continued through independence (and Adan Cadde was actually a figure-head appointed and dominated by the Majerteen.) And don't fall into that trap of over-exaggerating Aideed's supposed support among the Somalis and other Muslims. Just remember that the Daaroods, the Iidoors, the Rahanwein, ethnic minority Groups do not consider Aideed anything but a mindless warlord who destroyed his own people to gain power - and failed!. So we are looking at Habr-Gidir and other Hawiye consider him to be Hero. The reason for their appreciation of his efforts is what I explained earlier. Nothing more nothing less. Muwaadin Sorry brother, I seem to have upset you. You actually said everything there is to know as to why Aideed IS NOT a hero! He wanted to rule the country, was prepared to destroy everything to achieve his goal, and he failed, so no HERO. Simple isn't it? Wisdom The Sayyid was a religious man, a Somali Nationalist and an excellent Guerrilla fighter, but a lousy politician. He managed to alienate whole swathes of Somali clans, not only Iidoors who were pro-british anyway but other clans as well. It was them, not the Gaalo that eventually defeated him.
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| | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 05:20 am Halyey Actually there are tons of Somalis who know nothing about Somali history, politics or clan structure. Trust me, I've met plenty of them. Just as I've met plenty of Somalis who in 10 years have learned more about American history than lots of Americans. Don't give me that yo're a foreiner crap, I'm not a moron. A white guy can learn things just like a Hamite. I did not say that all, or even aa majority of Somalis consider him a hero. You drew a false conclusion from my point. I was in Somalia in '92, '93, and '94. I know the majority of the population in Hamer supported us and did not support Aideed. In fact the Abgal and Hawadle and Murosade were solidly behind us by mid September 93 - many were the entire time I was there. And almost all of the Rahanweyne supported us, as did the Isaaq and the most of the Darood (minus the Ogadeni). What I said was that Aideed gets glorified (outside of Somalia as well) by these hard core Islamic dudes who consider the US to be an evil empire and therefore worship anyone of stature who fights America, regardless of whether or not the individual at hand is a positive influence on his populaiton or not.
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| | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 05:52 am Hey mad mac Why are you in love with somalian politics? You said your not somali and you are every where i go man, damn. Why don't you tell us the truth.
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| | Monday, January 01, 2001 - 02:22 am Kursi Truth: I was the Brigade Intelligence Officer for the Quick Reaction Force which fought our mini-war against the SNA from 5 June until 9 October 1993. I spent most of 1993 and parts of 1992 and 1994 in Somalia.
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| | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 12:27 pm I can't believe my eye's...Is this some sort of a tribal net war LoL. I'm not taking side's here but all I'm saying is leave the poor man Aidiid alone his dead for god sake. Tribe's is not a bad thing depending on how you use it, It's there to let you know who you are and where you come from.I never knew Somali's could be so ignorant and self degrading,What happened in Somalia was a big mistake and us being the new generation have to learn from our mistake's and build our children and grand children a better future. No matter what tribe your from we are all Somali's no matter what happens and that's a fact of life you people have to live with so deal with it and stop fighting over the net like some baboons trapped on a deserted island.After ten long years of horrible destruction, brutal civil war, clan cleansing and un-rivaled famine; One would think that peace would have already prevailed by now.Any civilized and reasonable human beings would realize that reconciliation is the only answer in order to preserve peaceful coexistence.
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| | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 12:56 am GhettoGirl The Somalis are one tribe made up of different CLANS. A Clan and Tribe are not the same thing. In Somali there's only one word for both: Qabil. But in English there is one word for Tribe (Ethnic Group) and one word for extended family (Clan).
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| | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 03:21 am M.Farah Aidid is somalis greatest missed hero who has bravely defended somalia from American troops who ravaged are country and killed thousands of innocent somali lives. Let us all pray and ask Allah subhana watalah to bless the prophet P.B.U.H and his family,friends. Let us aks Allah to forgive the sins of Farah Aidid as well as our own,ameen
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