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Are we Muslim by chance or by choice?

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive (Before Jan. 23, 2001): Are we Muslim by chance or by choice?
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Omar

Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 02:00 pm
I think...we are muslim by chance..., because it is a matter of the place where you born and the religous status of your parents.

Do you think it is a good idea to question your faith, rather than fallowing your parent's faith forever?

Looking forward to hear from yor idea?

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Sweetgirl

Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 02:56 pm
Omar I'm a muslim by choice, alhamdulillah I was born into islam and I was raised by people who are aware of it by the grace of allah but believing in allah and implementing the beautiful teachings of this religion is certainly my choice.....and for your info alot of people convert to Islam by the hundreds. In answer to your last question it's a good idea to know what you believe in and questioning why you believe and what's the benifit of the belief strenghtens the faith of some and leads others astray.......I'd advise you to know allah and worship him and inquire more about Islam before you completly give it up trust me you'll find it very satisfying.

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GAMO

Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 05:53 pm
Omar
I agree with you that most of us are Muslim by the fact we were born in an Islamic country.

Sweetgirl
If you like your faith and what you believe in, I would say that is good for you. I wish I could agree with about all those appealing words that you wrote out.

My parents didn't know how to read and write even in their names and in the meantime they taught me Islam based on their knowledge and they always recommended me to stick with it. My parents became Muslim merely because their parents and grandparents were Muslim and none of them was aware what he/she believed.

I know that I could be considered anticlimax by them and by probably the majority of the readers, but believe me the most painful of my entire personal history is that breaking the cycle of my descent's illiteracy (in somehow I ended up to be Human Genetic Engineer in somewhere in Europe) and in the meantime feeling the obligation to believe my parent's faith. I wish I couldn’t go to school and be just like them... Stress free!! because I personally have experienced that the knowledge is extremely stressful especially when dealing with illiterate people that you love them.

GAMO

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Anonymous

Saturday, January 13, 2001 - 06:09 pm
Omar are you a freak by Fluke or choice?

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jamiila

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 01:24 am
Hi omar,

the question you asked is very important and I think many muslims should ask them selves that question. I know I do. As a somalian Islam is the first thing you learn as a child, and that follows you thru life ( for some). But Islam is not someting that you should take for granted, yes your lucky if you are born in a family were is Islam is the base, but you shouldn't be muslim just beacuse your parents are that. I've seen many somalian who is muslims only beacuse they parents are that. But that is wrong, yes your parents did a great job by bringing you up as muslim but the choice should be yours. Most of the people I've meet who only are musilm just because of the reason I meantioned above, their faith is very week, and they don't give islam time as they should.

I'm lucky that I was raised as muslim and I'm even more lucky that I choose to be muslim not beacuse of my parents but beacuse of that is the truth, the true path.

every day I thank god, alxamdulilaah

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4EVER

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 04:56 am
Hey Bro,
"Ina laaha yahdii man yashaa"

If Allah didn't want you to be Muslim you would have been. the fact that your parents are Muslims helps but it is not the reason why you are Muslim. You are Muslim because Allah wants you to be Muslim not because your parents are Muslims. Just because you are born Muslim doesn't mean you are going to die Muslim.

peace 4EVER

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Ice-Man

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 05:57 am
Omar

Allah Said every Child is born to be Muslim, but their parents made them to be Atheist, Christian, Buddhism,Jews and other made up religions.it's not by choice, We are born to be Muslim and it's a great that we remain Muslim for our own Benefit

Later

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Kowneyn

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 06:44 am
Bismillah and salaaam

Dear sisters and brothers:

I think its a useful question cumar asked. And I think the answers to his questions were given already by sweetgirl, Jamiila, 4-ever, Ice-Man.
I want to highlight what 4-ever and Ice-Man said
and summarize it this way: Islam is your heritage
because your forefathers had excepted it. Look at it this way. When your parents work hard and build a fortune do you not inherent the fruits of their labor? Similarly we have inherited the treasure of their faithfulness to ALLAH from our forefathers. You must always remember as 4-ever said that if you are not muslim at the end of the day its not a fluke but because u didnt deserve to be muslim. Another thing to remember is that like a careless heir can ran the family fortune to the ground so can one loose the baraka of his forefathers faith. There is always fortunes to be built and lost every generation.

Gamo: Walaahi, if u understand who you are, Islam and the subject ur studying write now, which by the way I am very familiar with, you would have become a better muslim and your faith would grow stronger. Islam is clearly logical and absolutely convincing. In fact u must become knowledgeable to really appreciate the blessing of Islam and that of being muslim.

I thank all my forefathers for having enough senses and ALLAH for given it to them to recognize the truth when they were illiterate. And damn be me! If I will squander away the baraka inherited from my ancestors, infact I will add to it so that it becomes an unmovable mountain of faith.


Kowneyn

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MuslimSisTa

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 08:18 am
Salamz All

Omar the question u've just asked is something i think most ppl that have been born and raised as muslims think about. I for 1 always ask myself HEY if i was not born into Islam and was not raised as a muslim: WHAT WOULD I BE? And every time this lingers through my mind i just Thank Allah(swt) that i was one of the lucky ones that was born and raised as a MUSLIM. Why i thank Allah(swt) is because u see so many ppl in the world searching for the one true religion and sometimes DIE searching for that religion WHEN i have the 1 true religion.

And as Ice man said: "Allah Said every Child is born to be Muslim, but their parents made them to be Atheist, Christian, Buddhism,Jews and other made up religions.it's not by choice, We are born to be Muslim and it's a great that we remain Muslim for our own Benefit" that is true we are born a muslim BUT our parents are the ones that determine our faith. Till we either Question that faith or believe that their is something out their waiting for u IE.ISLAM:)......

I personally Have the outmost respect to people who have have re-verted to Islam cause they will go through alot when they are in the formation of re-verting to Islam. They go through alot of obstacles. But by the grace of Allah(swt) they find Islam.

Omar the answer to your last Q:
I personally think that to question ur faith is the logical think to do. Because us as Muslim somalian who have been given and taught islam since childhood(not all but some) are really not given the chance to question ur Faith. And i agree with SWEETG this will either bring u closer to Allah(swt) and islam OR it will lead u astray.

If i have offended any1 please forgive anything good i've said is from Allah(swt) and anything Bad is from me or Shaytan.

Your sister in Faith MuslimSisTa
Salamz All:)

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DuH

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 10:26 am
Omar are you jesus?DuH

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Jariid

Sunday, January 14, 2001 - 11:23 am
Omar
I did question my faith at age 25 and I figured out that all monotheistic religions says practically some thing to me, but different guys (Musse, Jesus and Mohamed) tried and indead did to play in same philosophy in different personality at different time in different places.

They understood that human being cannot live comfortably without faith, so they were smart to took advantage the weakness of human being.

I believe that they are responsible for all human life lost in the middle of religious wars and they should have been punished for their actions.

Jariid

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4EVER

Monday, January 15, 2001 - 05:09 am
Jariid,

that is such bull S.H.I.T . Islam is nothing like those other religions that you mentioned. the only correct religion is Islam the religion of Ebrahim (calayhi salaam).the other two are two religions that have been changed so much that they no longer make sense. I am so disgusted with you (jariid) right now I can't even type, I wish we could've discussed this face to face because I have so much to say but I can't get in to with by typing.

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DuH

Monday, January 15, 2001 - 06:08 am
Y'all need to get a life.DuH

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Macruuf-Miskiin-Waryaa

Monday, January 15, 2001 - 09:00 am
Salama...Yaa Muslims

Jariid:

"I believe that they are responsible for all human life lost in the middle of religious wars and they should have been punished for their actions."

Max'ed, Ciise, Muuse, Ibrahim, Nuux, iyo Aaden. They were Muslims by heart, unlike you. They were a mighty messengers chosen by "a" Creator.

In that case to clarify your question that they should have been 'punished' by their actions.

Who is going to punish?

You?

Or the Creator? And indeed, as you believe there is no Sustainer and Creator {Inaa Lilaah, Istaaq-furlaah}.

Oh, you mean they were going to tortured by their fellow human-beings, right? Their feudal government, if let alone it existed at that time. Even kingdoms or queendoms.

Allow me to elaborate some basic, fundamental stories:

Max'ed {S.C.W.} had been said that if, again even if, the Sun and the Moon had been placed his right hand and the left, respectively, he would NOT abandon to be a non-Muslim. By the
grace of Allah, how faithful was he, {Sub-Xaanalaah}

Ciise {C.S.} as a child defended his mother that she was not a lying woman. And that he was indeed her 'son' and the messenger of Allah {S.W.C.} And he was born, by the grace of the Allah Casiis, without a father.

Muuse {C.S.}, you must know how hardship he encountered the mighty Fircoon, how powerful was his comtemporary, and know that he finally freed his people--Reer Bini-Isra'iil--and brought them the 'promised land.' With using throughout the ocean as a tunnel. It was't a miracle, it was by the grace of Allah {S.W.C.}.

Ibrahim {C.S.} lived in the midst of idolatrous society. Where no name of Supreme God was mentioned, but countless gods and sub-gods. And, again by the grace of Allah, he became a straight man--a Muslim. He pondered all nature things around him, despite his Mushrikiin environment, and tried to know what is the purpose behind it. He found the Light {e.i. Islaam}, and submitted to the only worthy worshipped Creator--Allah, the Most High.

Nuux {C.S.}, he was a straight person, tried to save his people from the fueling fire, and while it didn't happen not to accept his messengership, what happened we do know that it had been heard around the world--every society do now has some familiar side of Prophet Nuux's story, the Boat. From the Indians of Native America in North America to those who inhabit the frozen lands of Siberia.

Again, if you want the counless tragedies mandkind caused in his bare hands that not to believe the 'Tawxiid' of Allah, I will re-state the exact words of the Qur'aanka Kariimka:

"Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away before you: travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who rejected Truth." {3:137}

"Nor did We send before thee (as apostles) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations. Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them? But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will ye not then understand?" {12:109}

"For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth)." {16:36}

"Say: Travel through the earth and see what was the end of those before (you): Most of them worshipped others besides Allah." {30:42}

"Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the End of those before them,- though they were superior to them in strength? Nor is Allah to be frustrated by anything whatever in the heavens or on earth: for He is All-Knowing. All-Powerful." {35:44}

"Do they not travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before them? They were more numerous than these and superior in strength and in the traces (they have left) in the land: Yet all that they accomplished was of no profit to them." {40:82}

"Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the End of those before them (who did evil)? Allah brought utter destruction on them, and SIMILAR (FATES AWAIT) those who reject Allah." {47:10}
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Those Ayats were TALKING straight to you, yea, ye alone, and likeness of ye to 'travel' around the world and see, observe, analyse, examine, study, scrutinize, and research. And I am sure that you will find the Light.

From the places where the mighty Fircoon lived to the deserts of Mesopotamian society to the Persian kingdom to the people of 'Ad, Thamud, and countless others who had not been spared to mention.
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Mac-Salaama!!

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Usaid02?

Monday, January 15, 2001 - 10:55 pm
salaamu alaykum
This is a good question to ask yourself, and we all ought to know where our faith stands. As for me, I think i am muslim by choice because I was taught Islam in the early age and knowing the debt my religion holds, i am able to appreciate it more.

masalama

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SAGAL

Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 07:13 am
TO OMAR:
I WAS MUSLIM BY CHANCE. NOW I'M MUSLIM BY CHOICE. I WAS MUSLIM BY CHANCE BECAUSE I WAS BORN INTO A MUSLIM FAMILY. IT'S WAS A PRIVILEGE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO SEEK ISLAM, BUT WAS ALREADY GIVEN TO ME BY BIRTH. NOW I'M MUSLIM BY CHOICE BECAUSE I SIMPLY BELIEVE ISLAM TO BE THE UNIVERSAL RELIGION, NO DOUBT. I ACCEPT IT ON MY BEHALF NOT BECAUSE OF MY PARENTS. I CHOOSE TO BE MUSLIM. SO, AS U CAN SEE THEY GO HAND IN HAND.

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Jiir

Friday, January 26, 2001 - 01:35 pm
Surely by chance

Jiir

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