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     | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 11:05 am MYN: Conflict between African-Americans and Somalis is cultural Gladys Mambo, senior / Roosevelt H.S., Minneapolis There are probably few schools that can match Minneapolis' Roosevelt High School for diversity. There are Hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians, Native Americans and students from the Middle East. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists. For the most part, relationships between groups are harmonious, but open conflict is apparent within one racial group -- blacks. African-American and Somali students engage in frequent fights and verbal conflicts, students say. Why? "I think they fight because the Somali students are trying too hard and too fast to fit in," said senior Matt Oxendale, a student council member. His opinion was seconded by seniors John Schecter and Jake Ferrell, who say they think the Somali students' attempts to fit in aren't appreciated by African-American students. Perception of superiority? African-American student Fred Powell, a senior, put it more bluntly: "They think they're better than us." Somali Student Association president Abdirahmah Mukhtar, a senior, said, "I think there's that conflict because both groups of students are the most populous in Roosevelt High," setting up a subconscious power struggle. And as blacks themselves, the Somalis identify more with the other group of black students, the African-Americans, Abdi said. Cultural differences Charise Bommersbach, a senior, said, "Both parties' values threaten the other's security and so they start trying to determine who's better." Junior Nimco Ahmed said she believes that the problem is based on cultural and religious differences. "Though we're all black, we come from different places with different beliefs which can easily be misunderstood," she said. "For example, with my religion, boys are not supposed to shake hands with girls. Other students don't know that, so if they extend their hand to a girl and she avoids it, they tend to think she's berating them," Nico said. "Some girls, like myself, just go ahead and shake hands because they don't want anyone to feel ignored or belittled, plus they can't always [take the time to] explain their religious convictions." Seniors Khadar Hassan and Matricia Rhine have the same view. They said it was just "a lack of understanding on both parties' sides." Khadar added that this misunderstanding is born of different cultures, languages, religions and societal ethics. But seniors Rina Bhakta and Muna Abdullahi do not think the problem is as much a misunderstanding of different values as it is just plain "lack of respect for each other. "If one could have respect for another and ignore society's stereotypes, this problem would not exist at all," Muna said. Some African-American students say there is resentment among them because they think teachers regard Somali students as better behaved and give them preferential treatment, paying more attention to them in class and scoring them higher. "I don't know if they do get better treatment from some teachers. But as far as being better behaved, I don't think so, because the two incidents during which I was most disrespected involved two Somali boys," said a teacher who asked not to be identified, fearing reprisal. Fixing the problem Principal Michael Huerth, while acknowledging that the two groups do fight, said it's not a problem exclusive to Roosevelt. "Fighting is common in most high schools," he said. "I think the reason why my African-American and Somali students fight is because most people with similar characteristics fight with each other. Consider the Roman Catholic and Lutheran Christians, or the Jews and Arabs in the Middle East." "People with similar characteristics seek to fit in the same niche, and when that doesn't seem possible, fights are bound to arise," Huerth said. He said a forums for discussion of the problem is in the works. Representatives of both student groups will be asked to meet and discuss their concerns. But in the meantime, some African-American and Somali students are working at getting to know one another. Antonio Riley, a member of the Roosevelt basketball team, said, "I don't know even why they fight, because I'm cool with the Somali boys. Me and my boys play ball with them, and it's all good."
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| | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 09:46 pm You know, I don't want to sound sarcastic here, but do you notice that wherever Somalis seem to go they have a lot of conflict? When there isn't some gaal around to fight they fight each other. I wonder why that is.
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| | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 10:14 pm Somali Pyscho: This is a common issue at any school in the world...When new students/pupils join a school, it surely leads to tensions. Somalis are not, in this respect different from any other race. MAD MAC: Well, look at our recent history and you will know why....... This is a world-wide phenomenen. When people are uprooted from their own countries as in the case of somalis, they encounter a cultural and religious enironment which is "foreign and sometimes hazardous to them"...Culture clash....... Remember we have over 150 millions refugees and I am sure most of them share this problem with US. What is gaal? and what has it got to do with this issue?
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 02:38 am i notice that somalis have one feature unique to us, this feature brings both reverance and hatred, it is the fact that we will always try to be different from and superior to anyone or anything that is quite similar to us. i will give you examples of how individualistic we are: a) in the household two brothers compete for the love and respect of their parents b) brother-clans compete for their share of the power of the tribe c) Somalis compete against Ethiopians for any reason! (it seems we only unite when Ethiopia's involved!!) d) I believe if aliens came from Outer space, somalis will be the only humans who to the death try to proove they are superior as 'Earthlings'!!!
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 09:21 am the poster was that your own writting or did you coppied off from some news paper? if it is yours..i would strongly incourage you to go for journalism..i think that was an excellent report..liked the way you inserted the quotes right at the expected momments Plus your usage of language.  Yes this problem is typicall, happens in almost every h.s that is located in a place where there is a large community of forigners be it somali, Arabic, Haitians..you name it. In this case it is the somalis and african Americans because there is simply more somali students in that school then any other ethnic group's students, save the whites and african americans.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 09:27 am Mad mac loool
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 10:34 am My, how times have changed! Back in the dark ages (sic; ) when I was in school, the only 'conflict' I used to have with African Americans was their arguments about my colouring....she is carmel, she is brown , and worst the constant question about the type of shampoo I use. Ooh your hair is soo fine, soo straight....u white or indian.....can I touch it!!!darn why didn't I receive this attention in Somalia I thought . I should have charged my school mates for advice about shampoos lol!!! Joking aside, I had the best experience and was welcomed by the families of my class-mates. But now, the sheer number of Somalis in a particular school might fuel gang like behaviour.....banding together....us against them kinda thing. Mad mac lol@@@@@@@@@@@@@ so true, we thrive on conflict!
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 11:05 am Somali Pyscho, we are not to be blamed, are we? The issue is identity problem? African Americans use black as an identity,we on the other hand use it as a color which means nothing to us. The only time someone in somalia is asked to say what color he is, is when we are applying a passport. So when Somalis come in here,people asked questions like, who are you people? Natural answer from somali person would be ,I am somali. Are you black? What! The rest is simple, it is a high school,no reasoning, no explantions,kid stuff,emotions. Two things,for one we will never conform to Uncle Sam's identity creation,WE ARE SOMALIS,YOU DON'T DECIDE WHO WE ARE, WE DECIDE IT. For second,African Americans need to open their eyes and learn from other people, ask poeple who they are. In general,I don't think they have good reputation which is more than stereotype.They have tendency to make unneccessary enemies. Mad Mac. No place to exploit,is there? I am not aware of someone accusing somalis in the US violent. May be high school fights, which is normal. Unlike you, when we came this country we never wiped out an entire race, and brought over another one to enslave it.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 11:31 am Durgal true that man,who killed the poor indians??????????? who brought the negro's from west africa to work in the cotton fields??????? the cowboys did all of that so don't you dare acting so civilized MAD COW and to those little hoe's who agree with every gaal trying to deface their country&religion please don't call yourself somali if you're not prepared to die defending that very name.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 01:49 pm Fogeeya dadkaas. Good boys and Girls. They are no-good people
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:03 am Durgal / Somalikkk Hey, the only people I killed were Somalis. I never killed any Indians - hell I am part Indian (Iroquois linguistic family). So cut me some slack. There ain't no former cowboys or slave owners. My family came from Northern maine and southern Nova Scotia for 6 generations. My grandfather moved to Boston. So chill already.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:22 am mad MAC are you admitting murder????
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 12:30 pm MAD COW is a murderer
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 02:09 pm get the somali killer...
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 02:42 pm I am after U mad MAC..coming here and admitting u killed somalis??? that is an arrogant insult. I will get you some day and am after u. i have already a profile of u and it's quiet easy to find u. so be scared MAC..u r dead meat!!!!
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:58 pm Mad mac I never believed in Military and Army-i always felt sorry for these incompetent men who sell their freedom of thoughts and livelyhood to give way to slavery,humiliation and compensated with weapons to fire at the privilages of their masters.Admitting to killing Somalis is no less deplorable than admitting to kill humanbeings,but in the end i think it is a matter of personal struggle,it is you- who will live with the thought that you once killed a humanbeing,even at the last second you go to your grave.So i hardly think i need to SCREAM my disgust loudly from my balcony,to express the ZENITH of my contempt for you- . SEE YA!
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:16 pm wanaagsane and shoal i dont think its right to call Mad Mac a killer because if he wouldnt have killed those terrorists he would have been kill and its sad that we are calling americans killers when they try to recue us and those blood sucking USC's attacked them and killed them its a shame and i would support any one who will kill USC the usc are not human and they dont deserve to live look in to our country and what they have done when Siyad Bare was killing my people in Hargeysa and Burco and we were dying left and right the Hawiye were the triger man they were the ones killing my people the Mareexaan and majeerteen were given the orders and hawiye was pulling the trigger so i hate both with passion and nothing will sooth my pain my uncle was kill in burco and my brother and mother were kill in Mogadishu so you tell me the difference they are both evils but at least the siad barre regime had some sort of rule and regulation he was controlling some people but the USC cant even control their own people other tribes respect their elders and have some sort of law and order but the Hawiye seems to be out of control they seem to be a wild animal released from a Cage they should be put back in to their Cage so we can have a country
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 06:39 pm Hey people Mad Mac didn't kill nobody, why? He is slow, slow people don't kill nobody. Like when I said "You" I meant in the plural form, because you are the one who started generalizing people. Besides, you don't admit killing people in front of public forums, especially IN WRITING! Burco Boy Take a huge breath man, you are not alone, every Somali clan has someone like you who thinks other clans should be wiped out.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 08:52 pm Hey. Guys. This Problem seem to be horrible, I wonder why blacks americans have attitude, and hate. I have been almost all part of the world and the only things that I cant understand is why all other Blacks hate us? what is the problem? Its not Here but if you go kenya to South Africa, Nigeria to congo,Its all same. I have experince one black american going over 2somalis women who were waitin for a bus, and when people ask in the bus he couldnt say anything. he shows out he's hate and everybody in the bus undertstand, some other blacks ask me if Im somali, when I said yes' they said we hate somalis so much cause they are muslim and they are more arabic, they continue with their discussion and said "we african american we always like and have manythings in common with Ethiopians" but somalis hell no". So to me I think other blacks who are not Muslim will always hate us" cause we cant share their dirtyness. So I will always hate blacks whatever they are unless they are muslim. MuslimSomaliGirl
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:08 pm I guess, somalis and whites have many things in common. .somalis are understanding people and listeners, same whites. somalis are not into drugs and bad stuff same whites. somalis men dont lie to there girls same whites. somalis girls love white men cause they treat them good, same to professional white girl also love somali boys. somalis are quite, same whites. somalis hate blacks, same whites. somalis are joint society, same white. somalis have old fashion of life, same white. if a somali person asked to date a white or black, then 95% will vote White" why ask ur mom? reason behind is "somali blood is 15%white,70%arabic, and 15%maybe black. 15yrs boy. Pizza Boy
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 11:35 pm Burco-Boy thanks for the support For the rest of you: You do remember that the SNA was trying to kill us don't you??? OK, for those who don't remember, on 5 June the SNA militia, under the direct orders of Mohammed Farah Aideed (my favorite man to hate, fucking scumbad) were ambushed. There was no prior indication of hostilities. 25 Palistani soldiers were killed. 5 were disembowled alive. We were mortared nightly. Every time we drove in Wardiglei or Hodan someone was capping rounds off at us. So we hit back and we hit back hard. No doubt about it. You know, you play with matches you're gonna get burned. During my time in Somalia the Abgal, the Murosade, the Hawadle, the Rahanweyne, the Digil, the Rehr Hamer, most of the Darood, the Isaaq - all made me feel welcome. They were truly gracious. But the Haber Gedir and their Dir, Ogadeni and sometimes Galjel lackeys all were hostile. So get over it. I've already sat down with my former adversaries (SNA militiamen I met in Eastleigh) and they have dropped it. You should too. TGER Man, I'm here waiting. I've already put my full name and location here on the net. Come on down and we'll git it on tough guy.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:27 am Hi Mad-Mac Are you in essence telling us that you are a "criminal"?...... Just to remind you that "boasting" about a crime that you have /have not committed can be a criminal act itself. One more thing, who are you refering to when u write "we...."
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 08:17 am Just like in Minnesota, we have the same problems in Toronto. But this time the enemy is Jamaican people.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 09:21 am Dear All Thank you for your responses. The article is not from me bro/sis gabardadow. It's a simple cut and paste from FT.com. I live in Europe and needed to be more informed about this growing issue. One good thing is you are all aware of the problem and I think is a good start in order to find a solution or perhaps a compromise. Broters and Sisters let's not drift the subject. Te topic is about African Americans and Somali not "Mad Mac" whoever this gentelman is or what crime(s) he committed. Once again thanks for your answers. Peace
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 09:27 am bros and sis i understand u guys the problem is not only in the states it's all over world i have seen this •••• everywhere.i have seen in it england ,sweden and norway.u know idon't give afuck if the hate us . but what real bothers me is seing somaligirls dating this negros.one time a gambian told me "i hate somalis but a like fucking your girls" ofcourse i broke his jaw. i have seen some somali bitches who hanguout with jamaicans in london calling themselves jamaicans who are ashamed of there own orgin,what a waste
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 10:35 am i beleive blacks here have an inferioriy complex when they start to understand the fact that we were not ever enslaved, actually many of our ancestors were slave-traders goin all the way deep even to the congo to raid bantu villages for slaves. the whites never dared enslave Somalis, since we are a dignified warring people.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:17 pm To Liibaan: First of all the word is inferiority. Use the spell check next time. Second of all, the reason that you were not enslaved is not because you are a "dignified warring people" - nothing can be further from the truth. Take a look in the mirror and you will realize why you were not enslaved. The western Africans had the misfortune of being strong, agile, capable people. While you all on the other hand were feeble, anorexic camel chasers (at best). So don't take it as a compliment that you were not enslaved. No one wants a lazy quat chewing, tea drinking camel jockey to do any hard work. The white man ain't stupid. He took one look at you and could foretell your pathetic future. Fighting amongst yourselves. Fleeing to every corner of the earth. Wreaking havoc on every group you meet. I am grateful that I am not Somali and have not been doomed to such a terrible existence. To the poor little Pizza Boy. You are so pathetic. You really need hooked on phonics and spell check. I just have one question for you, if you are so White and so Arabic, why are you ALL trying so hard to be African American? You wanna talk like us, walk like us, dress like, dance like us. No matter how hard you try YOU WILL NEVER BE US. So stop it already. We African Americans have it hard enough with every other culture on the planet trying to be like us, we don't need uppity trash like Somalis trying to be like us and thinking they are better than us. If you are so much better than us, then be yourselves. You are aware of the fact that imitation is the greatest form of flattery. So keep that in mind when you are dressing hip-hop and dancing to 2PAC and Jay-Z. There's no way that you are better than us when you try so hard to be us. It just cracks me up how so many Somalis can get in this forums and talk all the smack they want about Blacks and so on but on the streets they are afraid to even make eye contact with you. If you wanna act all hard in cyberspace, keep the same attitude in the streets. That's one reason why we don't respect you - you are all talk and no action. Pathetic. I honestly have no problems with any of my Somali (male) friends. They are cool and down to earth. They don't think that they are better than me or anything so we are on an equal level. It is not until I come into this forums that I hear all the negative things about Blacks and it pisses me off. You can definitely rest assure that Blacks aren't wasting their time in their forumss talking about Somalis. We have better things to talk about. So, please stop talking about us. Holla
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:44 pm You have better things to do like smoking crack! Hop to it then, slave-boy Did you say "Yes massa suh"? That is more like it, attaboy.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 05:42 pm TeeDub, what you wrote sums up what kind of people you represent. You seemed so strong and confident until the last paragraph where you started to chicken out. Isn't that what made you second class citizens in this great nation and ironically you accuse us of avioding eye contact with you. Let me assure you that no one has ever accused somalis cawards. I have not seen anyone who makes eye contact with your group. In fact, people try hard not to make an eye contact, not to give you cab-ride, not to associate with you for simple reason, you just don't take responsibility for your actions, always blaming slavery, white poeple and now Somalis. Who is next? Mangolia. I don't understand at all when you said " White people are smart enough in choosing us for slavery" That statement truly underscores the fundemantal difference between you and us. Only captive mind would say such words. On the contrary, when British and the Italians came to Somalia, our elders made one good decision after another. For instance they told Italians that they had no plans of digging the land, either now or in the future. In the end it came down to Italians digging up the land for themselves or leaving the project altogether, they chose the latter. It is possible that your music has international audience, but there are some serious contradictions that comes with it. For some strange reasons someone might say "I like your music, I'll buy from BMG, by the way I don't like you." If people think you are worth of something wouldn't they add their immitations to some kind of action? Word of advice don't make unneccassary enemies. If you pump into someone,in any given situation, you can either make a friend, or an enemy, or none. Some how you guys have tendency to make enenmies which is not a good survival strategy. By the way, don't push the "spelling thing" it does work in here, we care ideas not writing skills.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 01:02 am Durgal The one point you have here, that I would disagree with, is that you can not immitate those you don't like. In fact, I may not like someone but may appreciate certain specific traits. I just don't like the whole package. So, for example, I don't like the fact that Germans are so xenophobic, but I do like the fact that they are well organized and capable of great industry. I don't like most of their schnapps, but I do like most of their beer. You're line about making friends vice enemies - well, that was extremely well put. A lesson for us all. You meet someone new you can embrace them or treat them with suspicion and hostility. Essepecially someone others treat with suspicion and hostility.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 05:58 am WOW.ya som ppl up here sound worst than the KKK. what is going on here? why are we hating our kind(African American). it seems like you guys are so ignorant about the fact that African American fought so hard to get us a freedom in general, and ya just dissing them like that. think about this white man don't like you better than the afric_amer, they all call us niggers. Offcourse we have some differences but we are still same ppl. To TeeDub. bro don't listen to these idiots. I am down with my african american ppl, and i am not sucking up or anything it is just the through. the afr-amer been through so much and they overcame from all that, is just less fortunate that few ppl don't appreciate what they did to get here. let us talk about the present who do you think is responsible to help all these som ppl, to bring them to USA? JESSE JACKSON (african american). he was the first man proposed the idea of helping the som ppl while they were having the civil war. All i am saying let us not hate each other, we can work our differences....... TO MAD MAC: you are a marked man mother fucker.. peace....... THE real somali man...
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 07:01 am If there were no blacks USA would be the greatest country in the world. And there would be no word for nigger anyway. People call you niggers cause they know what fucked up people blacks are, They ruined the reputation of every person of dark skin in the whole world. Thank god we Somalis are doing such a good job of repairing the damage done to "black skin" reputation for the past 200 years by the American branch of blackness. I mean come on you just have to read what this idiot Teedub wrote to see what kind of morons these people are: "white people are smart because they chose us to their slaves". What does that mean? This man is still a slave if you ask me.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 10:13 am TO ANYNOMOUS:I DON'T THINK YOU ARE SOMALI, YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME HATERS BETWEEN US AND OUR AFRICAN AMECAN BROTHERS...... BLACK FOR EVER...... LATER........HATERS
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 11:35 am Blacks are idiots. Teedub looks like he will make a nice slave, he is obviously stupid. And he says that West Africans he is descended from make really good slaves because of their strength. And I need a slave to do all my chores for me. I think I will buy him. I start the bidding $50.00. Going once, going twice, Sold. Now where can I buy a nice whip.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 01:33 pm War Salaamu Calaykum I know a lot about this story. I agree with most of U who said Afro Americans in MN, are idiots. Especially tha once who live in a urban area. I would like to show U some numbers. Those numbers are facts that we were getting from tha Department of Education and Human Service Minnesota Basic Stander Test Somali Students 67% pass tha reading and tha Math. Afro American 54% pass tha reading and tha Math. There less Somalis on Welfare than Afro Americans.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 11:22 pm Hi TeDump First of all ur so stupid by callin ma name, I dont give a damn to any niggers, ya all are stupid and danger to the society. I will hate any nigga any where in this world for many reason, not one, two, or three. I wish you niggas could be in slavery till today, cause nothing is good to you than been in slavery. we can walk in some neighborhoods because of you, we are tired of been asking "you want some" don't you see who were are first? we are nice society, joint, we all have culture, we all have parents(dad and mom) you guys you don't know even ur real names", you always think of bad stuff, you are dirty, I don't afraid of any nigga, cause I know they don't have brain, just empty body. Cya like to drink,smoke,and sit on behind of the bus talking •••• to others. I remember ma teacher told me that any immigrant that came to USA, are having a hard time from you "niggas' she told me about what you have done to Asians when they move here, they were like us "working and taking care of their business and you hate that cause ya jealous" I will always follow ma dad footstep" stay away from nigga he is danger to the society and he sleep while others are awake and awake while others are sleepin. and last we have a choice of buying any clothes, no clothes for African America, all clothes are made by whites..okay /Remember Tommy Hilfiger? and hell no I dont work like a drug dealer. Im straight. 15yrs Pizzaboy
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 12:26 am ur right pizzaboy, get home earlyboy, be safe from niggaz, all somalis be carefull we run war we have another war. Aries.
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 08:58 am IT SEEMS THAT FEW BOYS IN HERE ARE HAVING PROPLEMS, MAYBE THEY WERE BEATING UP BY SOME AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS, SO INSTEAD OF CONFRONTING THEM THE BOYS LIKE A REAL MAN, THEY ARE TRYING TO USE THE SOMALI NAME IN GENERAL, AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME HATE BETWEEN THE SOMALI AND THE AFRICAN AMERICANS. WE DON'T HATE AFRICAN AMERICANS SO STOP USING OUR NAMES, AND IF YOU HAVE SOME BEEF WITH SOME AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS DEAL WITH THEM OUT IN THE STREETS. YA SOUND LIKE LITTLE BITCHES HIDING BEHIND THE COMPUTERS. AFTER ALL I AM REAL SOMALI MAN AND I AM PROUD TO BE. AND I LOVE MY AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE THEY FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM, IF IT WAS NOT FOR THEM YA WOULD BEEN THE NEW SLAVERS NOW, AND THE WHITE MAN WOULD BE CALLING YA NIGGERS ON YOUR FACES. BUT IS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT FOUGHT SO MUCH SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROPLEMS IN THIS PRESENT TIME. THE KKK ARE HUNTING THE SOM PPL BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK AND THEY ARE IMMIGRANTS. SO LITTLE BOYS THINK BEFORE YA ALL BUT YOUR THE NONSENSE •••• THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN THIS NET. LATER TO THE ALL UNCLE TOMS OUT THERE ... MAHDI.
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 12:27 pm Hey Mahdi I think u must be one of those somalis that has lost and get into that bad society, just leave us alone, we have a rights to discuss all matters that came to our society. Those people are bad and if you smoke weed and crack with them its you and never include urself into this discussion. we all know we have few people who lost and we never welcome back to our society. let people discuss and we will be carefull to any enemy o our society. have never had anything myself from those people but, I agree to many people here. that they need a life instead of concentratin to us. we are different from them and thats why they hate.I would kill myself If I were told ma grands are slaves. Iman
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 01:08 pm THIS ONE GOES TO IMAN: FOR YOUR STUPID COMMENT I DON'T SMOKE CRACK NEITHER MY OTHER FREINDS DOES.I AM STUDENT A IN MY COLLEGE, AND MOST OF ALL I AM A GOOD FATHER AND HUSBAND TO MY WIFE AND MY KIDS. I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE REALITY, YA MOTHERFUCKERS NEED BETTER THING TO DO OR TO TALK ABOUT....I WILL STAY BLACK FOREVER. MAHDI
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 04:57 pm To Mahdi I dont believe so? then ur Somali African American (Hawiye) I feel ya blood is thicker than water thats why you defend niggers Iman
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 06:02 pm to mahdi: african americans didn't fight for nobody's freedom...and don't be saying "i'll be black forever" whatever that is supposed to mean...black is just a color...blacks were slaves physically back in the days...but now they r slaves mentally...they haven't yet got freedom as far as i see it... and to all these other ppl: what do we have in common with african americans? the answer is nothing...
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 01:56 am Somaliman Don't you see a slight conflict between your second to last line which declares I am a "marked man" and your last line: Peace? For the rest of you guys. I have served with Blacks and Asians for 16 years. I've pretty much found that you find good guys and jerks amongst every group of people. Judging someone by what group they belong to is both unfair and stupid. I'm sure everyone here can vouch for the fact that there are plenty of Somalis who are good guys and plenty who are shitheads. You may not like certain cultural traits other people exhibit, but that doesn't mean they have lessar value.
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 02:15 pm Durgal: I am not even going to acknowledge your idiocy with a dignified response. you are just sad and once again pathetic. To the first Anonymous: If there were no blacks here in the US it would be "the greatest country"? What the hell are you talking about? There would be no USA if there were no blacks. Who do you think built this country with their sweat and tears? Not Somalis and not Whites either. And in case you wondering, if there were no blacks here the white man would ship your Tar Baby ass back to Africa too. Don't think you would have preferential treatment because you are Somali. The White man aint looking at that. He sees your dark skin and thinks NIGGER the same way he does when he sees me. So you'd be back in Somalia fighting with your neighboring clansmen. Also, I never said that the white man was smart for enslaving the west African. I just siad he wasn't dumb. From a purely economical standpoint, the white man exploited Africans (western) for purely capitalistic reasons. It was economical to do so. it had nothing to do with the color of their skin. If you can recall, the first slaves here in the states were WHITE. They were endentured servants and worked for free with many of the same hardships as the African slave. The issue of color was not even raised until much later when rebellions ensued among the enslaved whites and blacks. The white slave owners took advantage of the situation and exalted the poor white slaves over the blacks and used the Bible to support their decision. It was simply a way to divide and conquer. Instead od dealing with a large white and black group, now they had the poor whites on their side and only had to worry about the whites. Xoogsade: I am not saying that Blacks are not idiots. All I am saying is don't exclude yourself when making such a statement. Because you are obviously an uneducated, ignorant bastard. Little Pizza Boy: Please get a life. You said that you have culture, right? Then why is that most Somalis who live outside of Somalia try their hardest to assimilate into the culture of their ne country. If your culture is so great you should keep it not convert the first chance you get. You talk about having both a mother and a father, well, guess what? So do I! Does that make me Somali? Does that make me better than someone who has only one parent? No. It just means that parents loved each other and married one another. It has no reflection on African Americans at all. It's just a personal fact. You also made a comment about buying clothing. There are at least 6 black (African American)owned and operated clothing companies that I can name (including PNB, FUBU, Karl Kani, Phat Farm, Baby Phat etc) These are not Somali owned, but we definitely appreciate your support. So thanks going into debt to make them rich. To comment on one of your other stupid statements, I do not smoke (anything), don't drink alcohol, (but know many Muslim Somalis who sit up at the club and drink beer all night long, What's up with that?) and I do not ride the bus. I own my car and aint on welfare. Never have been. Insha'allah never will be. Shaolin Temple: If black people did not fight for anyone's freedom, then who did? Not you or any other Somali. You are too busy fighting each other to realize that there is freedom to fight for. Martin L. King and Malcolm X did not sacrifice their lives for nothing. They fought for the equality for all people. (including Somalis) They fought for the chance for you to come here and be unappreciative. You're right, no one has ever done anything for the Somali. They have done everything on their own. Yeah right. If that was true then you wouldn't be applying for welfare before you even had the chance to shake the sand out of your sandals. Further more, we are not asking you to have anything in common with us. We just want you to realize that you are not now, now have you ever been better than us. Also, if black is just a color then how can it be mentally enslaved? Answer me that. Someone said that African Americans have ruined the reputation of all blacks. You my friend are hilarious. Black Africans have a reputation for being absolutely nothing. That is why the entire continent of Africa was carved apart like a pizza pie. Europeans have no repsect for Africa at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with African Americans. It has everything to do with the superiority complex Europeans have over all non-Europeans (Asians included). So don't think that we po' black folks ruined it for you courageous Somalis. Cuz that aint the case. But we so appreciate you fleeing your country in record numbers to "repair the damage done to "black skin" reputation." Without you I would be ashamed to look myself in the mirror every morning. Thank you for giving me hope. The hope that I too one day can do something to help elevate the reputation of the black skin. Give me a break. And get a life. Lastly, Why does everyone assume that I am a man. Not true. I'm a female with an opinion. Holla
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 03:09 pm Hey this chick is not black. Well at least not the really savage ones anyway. Notice she say inshalaah. Ok sister you are one of the saved ones. May you always be that way. But the rest of your people , badd very badd. Savage and mental adolescents.
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 03:17 pm Hey Teedub: Sometimes you lump us with all the black Africans when it suits you and sometimes you say West Africans are my people who were chosen for their strenght. Stick to one side. We Somalis are pure and noble muslim people and you are descended from the people who were cannibals and now that it has been outlawed they eat bushmeat(That is monkey meat, gorilla etc). Ha ha ha You cannibal niggers. btw: We don't care what white man or green man calls us. We are Somalis and whoever don't like it can •••• hiself. We are not like you black americans who cry every time a white boy says the n-word and consider it racism if someone says no interracial marriage. Cause they want to trade up as quick as they can. Get rid of the big nose. Bad hair. Dark complex. The quicker they can become white the better. Is there a bigger self-hatred than that?
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 04:42 pm I'll have you know that my hair aint bad, my nose aint big and my skin aint dark. I aint trading up for nothing. If you must know, you have more in common with those bush eating folks than I ever will. I have never even seen Africa (any of it) and have no plans of doing so in the foreseeable future. It must not be that great of a place since ALL of Y'ALL (East Africans, West Africans, South Africans, even your Arab brothers to the north) are fleeing in mass to come over here. So, I'll pass. Why do you call yourself a noble Muslim? You can be a noble Muslim of any ethnic background. you don't have to be Somali to be noble. I am a Muslima. Does that make me noble? Does that make me Somali? I sure hope not. I have nothing against Somalis as I have stated previously. I just thought the forums needed an African American representative to defend the ironious statements that have been made about us. There really is no reason for us to have any problems with one another as a whole. This aint a cop out. It's real. We are all Muslims (at least most of us) and our plight should be against the kuffar not each other. What kind of deen are we building if all we do is fight amongst our selves? But I will have you know that I will defend African Americans to the best of my ability. So, if you want to keep wasting time and energy dissing us, I have no other choice than to defend us. The choice is yours. I'm out.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 09:32 am To Teedup: I am glad you have same point of view as me in this situation unlike most of these idiots that running their mouth too much...you said it all, so i am not even gonna waste my time to respond these ignorants......... later haters......... mahdi outta mpls...
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 01:00 pm Hi TeeDub. First of all I dont know whats goin on here? and I think we are all blacks even thou we have different cultures and religion the only thing is we must have respect to each other, Im saying this as a somali who doesnt have any problem with anybody. but to be honest what some somalis talk here is bad we dont have to talk bad to people thats not the way islamic lead us. another thing I wanna say to you TeeD is that its true either you accept or not, black americans who live in Twin cities are different, I dont say all but majority hate Somalians for nothing, we just came here from war, we expect to stay safe and have peace of mind and atleat forget what happen to us and our family back home, but its looks like we just get ourselves into a different society which dont like us, I know when it comes Whites, they dont like both of us, either somalis and african americans, Its very rare for a somali person to talk bad to any blacks but Its just normal for you guys to do the same, as I said not you, but most of other blacks are like that. you are welcomed to say whetever you want. I know what you guys have gone thru and what you are goin thru right know from whites. but the point is if white hate me, and like somalis or vietnam then I have to hate them, thats not right find solutions and know ur really enemies. I know most of you will find somalis different because they came from a different world, Believe somalis has their own kind of life and culture compare to any other african culture. kenya and ethiopia are somalis neighbour and they know us maybe much more than you, so just tell ur fellow african americans to just learn others culture and understand. To all other somalis here, please hate will not make any Progress,every society has a nice and bad people so dont judge people in whole. we do have bad people too, my family all dont accept black, but I dont have any problems with them, since Im tight in my culture and religion, and I will find any friend who will not cross my boundaries. Asalam Alaykum
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:45 pm Teedub why dont you tee wee dee doooo away,we can't stand your uglyness.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:54 pm teedub: who said i am better than u...nobody is better than nobody...only God decides that...but all i am saying is: f@ck whites and blacks... you be you and i be me... lets leave it there... there is no such thing as black unity or white unity...that is all fake...every one is for himself... I KNOW I AM BLACK...I WON'T BE STANDING FOR NO BLACK UNTIL I SEE UNITY BETWEEN BLACK... so don't waste your time...it would have been good if all blacks thought like u...but it is not like that...
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:06 pm Hi sis TEEDUB Get ur stupid ugly face in our discussion go get weed or cracks out there, you will remind nigga' even if you change ur skin colour, hairs, everything, you born to be beauty, artificial will never work, ur nothing to us, rather than "nigger" okay. and dont sell drugs here, we straight. no thank. and you somali student please dont tell anythin about blacks if they are ur friends its you, not us, and I wont say hello if I know you, cause you just lost.... All ma friends are white and always they give me good advice to be away from blacks cause they are dirty and bad. guys and ladies, one thing I forget to tell you if you are applying for a job dont "tick that black box, cause the possibility of not gettin job is bigger. just use "others" and you will the results, this is certified by one of ma friend who works at the Immigration" today. name (withheld). PizzaBoy 15yrs.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:10 pm To Mahdi ur not really somali ur either somali-african american(hawiye) or something. get ur ass outta here too pizzaboy 15yrs old
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:18 am Hey domino boy don't u supposed to deliver some pizza? any way this will show how ignorant some of your guys are, talking about some of us are more african americans (hawiye)hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm. since when that hawiye were more african americans? I wonder why you have only white friends because you are not welcomed in our society.by the way I am real somali. one more thing fag this conversation is for a grown ppl so why don't u get ur little domino ass outta here.........punk..... later all ya haters outthere.... mahdi..
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 07:59 am yo roosevelt high been on the national news for many years and I remember at times we had to carry a gun if the situation got critical. I also remember using a chair to chop off someone's head nah mean and guess what he lost his neck use for the rest of his life and thats the only case occured roosevelt is the most dangarous school of all time in the united states it's not only between somalis and blacks it's between every culture even back in the days we were fighting with whites and blacks together but guess who was on out side we had sudanese,nigerians,liberiens but •••• the jamaicans cuz they were scary boys. oh yeah one love goes to RTS niggers who are posted on the principle's office. there pictures are used everyday here in university of minnesota for criminal studies.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 12:51 pm fuckin' liar... peace out
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| | Friday, January 26, 2001 - 04:47 am hey brothers! what is with all this hate? i am SOOOO fed up of seeing this racist s.h.i.t on the somalinet. this website is suppose to bring somalis together it is a way of informing each other the lastest developments in somalia, religious issues. It is not a website to promote u're racists opinions. to TEEDUB i think what u're saying is right, these dumba$$ shits don't know what their talking about. Somalis ppl can't u see these opinons that u uphold is from the negative way that black people r portrayed in the media, and if u had any brian cells at all u would realise that the white man dose this to keep the black man down. we need to be united to bring the white man down. do u think freedom for the black people was achieved by one man? the abolishment of sagergation was achieved by the African Americans! just think about what we could achieve with all r black nations united! hey TEEDUB here's my e-mail address! why don't u e-mail sometime>>> gacaliso_21@hotmail.com !!!!
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| | Friday, January 26, 2001 - 12:13 pm yasmiin get a life
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| | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:49 pm Hi Yasmin. Im sure ur bitch, and I know u •••• with niggas.god will help you, cause I wont talk to someone who stink like a adoon" I know u stink u must stink like adoon now since you mixed up with them Nafisa
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 03:06 am There sure is some primative B.S. going on in here. I'm glad to see you are all good Muslims, not pre-judging folks, preaching harmony and the message of Allah - NOT. Only a small handful of people here have a clue as to what Islam even says. For the rest of you, if you think the Qur'an is the way - THEN START READING IT AND DOING WHAT IT SAYS. It's because of these kind of virulent anti-everythng attitudes you carry around that Somalia is the basket case that it is. BTW for everyone who gave me a ration of •••• about my role in Somalia, I would like to remind you that the Qur'an does authorize the use of deadly force in self-defense (my case) but not for revenge.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 02:30 pm Mad Mac Good point about the B.S. especially those of us who are claiming to be Muslims. This proves one thing we somalis protect our religion from others, but when it comes to practicing it it is a different matter. This is precisely why Islamic Shariica is needed in Somalia.
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