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     | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 03:23 am SALAMUCALAYKUM, EARLY THIS MORNING IN THE NEWS I HEARD ABOUT A 14 YEAR OLD NIGERIAN GIRL IN NIGERIA WHO HAD A CHILD AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CHILD IS ASSUMED TO BE A "BASTARD". SHE ALSO HAD SEX WITH 3 OF HER FATHERS FRIENDS AND FOR THAT SHE IS GETTING PUNISHED BY GETTING SOME WHOPPING. (BY THE WAY SHE IS MUSLIM). BUT WHAT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR HERE, IS THAT THE GUYS WHO SLEPT WITH HER ARE NOT BEING PUNISHED BECAUSE THEY ARE OFF COURSE "MEN". SHOULDN'T BOTH BE PUNISHED? I BELIEVE IF A GIRL LOST HER VIRGINITY BEFORE GETTING MARRIED I THINK THE GUY SHOULD PAY THE PRICE TOO. SO TELL ME WHAT U GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE MATTER, LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. PEACE.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 04:10 pm samia this is very intresting question. a very short answer is u can't prove if they slept with her or not. the shariah inorder to function or take an action needs prove. she said they slept with her and they said they did not whom u believe? But the court can prove that she had a baby with out father means she get pregnant with out legally married someone, her family including her mother is testfied that. Samia sister this is not a matter of gender. instead it's a matter of who did what. continue posting.I love u sis.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 04:15 pm Samia: You need a brain transplant.
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| | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 11:27 pm ANONYMOUS: I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE! SHE ALSO NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO READ. SAMIA, THE GIRL WAS 17 YEARS OLD NOT 14 AS YOU SUGGEST. THE AGE IS BESIDES THE POINT. I AM CURIOUS, WHO TOLD YOU THE DETAILS OF THE STORY?? THE PAPERS THAT REPORTED THE STORY ARE NOT SURE ABOUT THE DETAILS AS FAR AS THEY KNOW ITS ALL HE SAID SHE SAID. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW BEST WHAT HAPPENED IS THE NIGERIAN COURTS. BUT SERIOUSLY, USE YOUR BRAINS SAMIA. WHY SHOULD WE NOT TAKE THE NIGERIAN COURT'S VERSION OF THE STORY?? DO YOU THINK PEOPLE IN NIGERIA GO AROUND TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN/CANADIAN COURT CASES? DO YOU THINK THEY ACCUSED OUR SYSTEM OF BEING CORRUPT? NO, LIKE WISE YOU SHOULD GET A LIFE AND STOP MAKING UP FALSE STORIES ABOUT THE ISLAMIC COURT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH FLOGGING, THATS FINE BUT, FOR GODS SAKE, STOP THE PROPAGANDA. THE COURT RULED THAT SHE COMMITTED ADULTERY, AND THEY WERE RIGHT. THIS HORNY SLUT THEN TRIED TO BLAME HER FATHER AND HIS FRIENDS! OFF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SHE PICKED HER FATHER'S FRIENDS. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT SHE IS TRYING TO HIDE THE IDENTITY OF HER REAL LOVER. EVERY ONE IN THAT TOWN KNOWS, IF YOU SLEEP AROUND YOU GET 100 FLOGS. YOU FALSELY ACCUSE A PERSON YOU GET 80 FLOGS. DO THE MATH. ITS 180 FLOGS. DID YOU EVER STOP TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HER LIES COULD HAVE DONE TO THESE INNOCENT MEN AND THERE FAMILIES? THIS GIRL IS WICKED. ITS SIMPLE SAMIA, YOU DO THE CRIME YOU PAY THE PRICE (IF YOUR CAUGHT). ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. HONEST. IN SINGAPORE IF YOU SPIT YOUR GUM OUT ON THE STREET OR IF YOU SPRAY GRAFFITI YOU GET FLOGGED. I ADVICE YOU TO STAY AWAY FROM NIGERIA IF YOU LIKE TO SLEEP AROUND AND TO STAY AWAY FROM SINGAPORE IF YOUR A LITTER BUG. BUT PLEASE DON'T TELL THEM HOW TO GOVERN THEMSELVES. ALSO DON'T MOVE TO TEXAS IF YOU LIKE TO KILL PEOPLE. YOU SEE SAMIA, THE LAW OF THE LAND IN TEXAS IS YOU KILL, THEY KILL YOU. PS: IF YOU EVER MOVE TO NIGERIA AND SLEEP AROUND I WILL FLOG YOU FOR FREE. ALSO INCASE YOU MISSED THE POINT. THE MEN DID NOT GET FLOGGED BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUND TO BE INNOCENT. I DON'T THINK THEY FLOG INNOCENT PEOPLE IN NIGERIA. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEN OR WOMEN, SILLY. THE PUNISHMENT IS THE SAME. I AM ASHAMED YOUR SOMALI. WHAT'S YOUR IQ? BY THE WAY THE CHILD IS A BASTARD BECAUSE IT WAS BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A BASTARD. THERE IS NO NEED TO SAY 'ASSUMED' TO BE A BASTARD. I LIKE YOUR QUOTATION MARK NON THE LESS. LET ME REMIND YOU THE NIGERIANS DID NOT DEFINE THIS WORD BASTARD. SORRY!
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 02:37 am Ayan I think this hits the nail on the head. If you don't like the laws of a given country, don't go there. If the people of a given state don't like their laws, it's up to them to change them. Some parts of Nigeria are Muslim and are governed by the Sharia. Now, it does seem to me that a simple court ordered blood test could resolve the issue - but whatever, who cares about Nigeria anyway? Certainly not me.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:26 am PURE SOMALI: THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANON: YOU GET A TRANSPLANT! OTHERWISE STOP THE BULL •••• AIGHT! AYAN: I CAN SEE YOU ARE ONE ANGRY PERSON. BUT I DID HEAR WHAT I HEARD AND THAT WAS SHE IS 14. I'M SURPRISED THAT U ARE SURPRISED SHE IS THAT AGE EVEN A GIRL WHO IS 13 CAN GET MARRIED. AND FOR REAL SIS, IF A GIRL SLEEPS AROUND SHE IS A SLUT AND IF THE GUYS SLEEP AROUND HE IS CALLED A "PLAYA". AND WHY WOULD SHE SAY SHE SLEPT WITH 3 OF HER FATHERS FRIENDS IF SHE KNEW SHE IS GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE? AND WHAT ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY? WHAT IF THEY HAVE THE WRONG PERSON? WHO IS THEN GOING TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE WHEN THEY KILL THE INNOCENT PERSON WHO THEY ASSUMED KILLED SOMEONE? I DON'T BELIEVE ANY HUMAN BEING HAS A RIGHT TO KILL A HUMAN BEING. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY BECAUSE ONLY THE CREATOR ALLLAH (SWT) WILL DEAL WITH THAT PERSON. WELL LOVE TO CHAT BUT I GOT A CLASS TO ATTEND SO TAKE CARE. PEACE
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 05:01 am Samia: It's because off dumb people like you that i get upset. You speak a bunch of lies and go on with this i hear bull $hit. Try and read once in a while. The link below will give you the 411 on the story. http://www.thestar.com/apps/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=978671962451&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Once again your reasoning is messed up. Is it that time of the month honey?? The story Talks about islam law. You should learn to differentiate between islamic law and men’s being 'player' and women being 'slut'. In nigeria they both would be whipped. Again what is your IQ? Learn the art of argumentation or shut up and listen. Oh was i rude, let me try again: Samia, walaal the early age of marriage in islam is not related to this whore! (and the wimp boyfriend she is hiding). Walaal, ever decide to become a whore in nigeria make sure you man is a man enough to take is 100 lashes or you just might end up getting 180 lashes.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 08:15 am dear Samia: Why do you believe the western media? don't you know that they will twist the facts to make Islam look bad. Ayan is right. Every country has its laws. The people of the land know the law. The Muslims in Nigeria choose the to have the sharia as the system of law. The people in the south are Christians and they have their own laws. Are you against freedom of choice? The people of Algeria also choose Islam but the west did not support them! even though it was through an election. Strange, indeed. What is the point of giving people the choice to choose? If not to let them live with their own choice, what is the point?? Seriously, here a woman has the choice to cut open her chest and put silicon in her breast in order to feel better about herself. This is their freedom and yet they are not happy with themselves. More than have the population in the west are on some sort of anti depressant. If you count Alcohol as an anti depressant then 100% of people here are on anti depressants. But, this is their choice and they live with it. So let the Nigerians be Nigerians and let the West be the west. MM: You get the point. Get out of Texas if your a murderer or face the death penalty. Also in Islam the chances of killing an innocent person is slim. In order to get killed for adultery you need to be married and on top of that have three Eyewitnesses. If you commit adultery in the privacy of your bedroom and your caught, you will not be punished. You have to give permission for the people to enter a private space. The Eye witness will be punished invasion of privacy. Do you think the west invented privacy? No it was revealed in the quran 1400 years ago. I’m not saying that it's impossible to get killed for committing adultery. If you go downtown and have sex in public, you are bound to have at least three eye witnesses. In other words you have to be real dumb or perhaps you want to challenge the law of the land in public (in which case you will be a martyr in the west). So to all nymphomaniacs you can survive in a Muslim country, just don’t get caught with a smoking gun. Otherwise pay the price for breaking the law.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:06 am MM, lol, hope you advise yourself of what you wrote above.
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| | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:11 pm BRAVOO!!!!!AHMED AND AYAN!!!!!!! MAD MAC SHUT UP RACIST! THAT IS PURE IGNORANCE! SAMIA I HOPE YOU ACT LIKE SOMALI AND BECOME VERY RATIONAL, CURIOUS, INVESTIGATIVE AND ABOVE ALL ASTUTE AND WITTY. PEACE,LOVE AND UNTIY.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:25 am SALAM ALL, FIRST OF ALL I'M NOT AGAINST SOMEONE BEING PUNISHED FOR ADULTERY. THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED. AND I'M NOT WITH THE WESTERN MEDIA EITHER. I WAS RAISED IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR 10 DAMN YEARS AND IF YOU STEAL, YOU GET YOUR HANDS CUT. YOU KILL THEY CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF. SO PLEASE DON'T THINK I'M WITH THE WESTERN CULTURE JUST CAUSE I SAW SOMETHING ON T.V. AND I WAS WRONG ABOUT IT DON'T MEAN I GOTTA GET DISSED BY HYPOCRITES LIKE "AYAN" FOR INSTANCE. CALLING SOMEONE A SLUT OR WHORE DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GOOD MUSLIM. BUT PUNISHING THEM AND TELLING THEM THEIR BAD IS WHAT A GOOD MUSLIM DOES. AYAN: SIS, YOU SUFFERING FROM SOME KIND OF ABUSE? JUST CAUSE SOMEONE WAS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING DON'T MEAN U GOTTA TAKE YOUR ANGER OUT ON THEM. IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ALSO MAKE ME MAD. YOU ASK A QUESTION AND THEY RESPOND WITH FOUL LANGUAGE. ISLAM IS PROBABLY NOT YOUR RELIGION AYAN. A GOOD MUSLIM TALKS WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY TO ANOTHER MUSLIM. SO NEXT TIME IF YOU PLAN TO RESPOND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW HOW TO TALK FIRST. CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO SOME 10 YEAR OLD. TILL NEXT TIME TAKE CARE EVERYONE. INCLUDING YOU AYAN.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:03 am WE ALL KNOW IT HAPPENED TO YOU SO WHY DON'T YOU CUT THE BULLSH!T AND TELL US HOW YOU GOT PUNISHED.   ??????????????
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 07:23 am Samia, back in 1989 or early 90 a similar incident where only adulterous women were punished and not the men happenend in hargeisa. 3 women 2 single and a married woman I beleive were accused. The 2 single women were killed and the married women was whipped. Guess what NOTHING happened to the men!!!!! Further more while some idiots were trigger happy to use Islamic sharia, they didn't even follow proper procedure of looking for witness to the adulterous act!!!! Most Somlais knowledge of Islam is limited and that is compounded by their ignorance and hypocrisy. The only thing somalis have mastered is the art of insulting people. How pathetic.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 11:21 am Ayan is a man. It's so obvious!
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:26 pm I don't know why you would call me a man. I am happy as Allah made me. I am 100% woman, a proud Somali woman, a woman who loves her religion and her people. I am not brain washed or a feminist (like samia). I do not come from Saudi Arabia unlike our confused 'sister'. I can understand that Islam was forced on her, so when she came to the west the first thing she does is to abandoned her religion and culture. how dare you call me a hypocrite. Islam forbids anyone calling another person a hypocrite. You lived in Saudi Arabia and never learned the religion. I guess you were to busy dreaming about the west. You have the nerve to oppose the death penalty and on top of that you claim to speak for Islam? Sister you cannot have it both ways. you either support Islam or disagree with it. I am usually not this rude and sarcastic but I have no tolerance for Ignorant Somali's accepting western Ideas and then attacking Islam. Dear Salma. You are correct Somali's don't practice Islam properly. I would like to add that in Islam unmarried people (men and women) are supposed to get whipped and married people are supposed to get stoned to death. So the story of hargeisa is opposite to what Islam says. Samia. I did not call you a slut or whore. I don't know you. I do believe that girls who sleep around are sluts (like the 17 yr old girl in Nigeria). I do not know why you choose to support a SLUT like that and on top of that choose to attack Islam in the process. May Allah Guide you and Forgive you. I did offer to whip you for free if you acted like the Nigerian girl.
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| | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:40 pm ayan i think you do notknow the religion samia is right the girl said her father forced her to have sex with these three men so how can the court punish a raped girl and the religion requires 4 witnesses to have seen everything clearly even the religion does not punish for someone if some people said they have seen these two people naked unless they have the full action i think you know what i mean. so the girl said she was raped the guys said they did not rape so how the court prove that the girl is guilty not the guys.
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| | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 04:52 am Yaasmiina, I may not know the religion too well but at least I have common sense, which is some thing I cannot say about you. Did you read pure Somalis' comment? There is know need to prove that the girl slept around. The fact that she is not married and pregnant ( a big stomach) proves that she had sex. This is very simple sis. The story with the guys is different you see. Its just like you said we need eye witnesses. sense there were non all the court has is the word of this SLUT. Just think about it for a moment my feminist sisters. Even if the girl is not a slut she does not have her witnesses! We should thank Allah because of this provision its almost impossible to accuse an innocent person! This is why the men are not being flogged. It has nothing to do with men being superior to women. It seem like every instance you get to a chance to blame men you jump at the opportunity. Don't you know that men are our brothers, fathers, sons, and insha Allah some day our Husband. Why do you hate them so much?? Shame on the feminist. And then you have the nerve to call me angry. Look in the up in dictionary the word angry and you'll see a feminist/lesbian. I only get upset when I see ignorant Somali wanna bees or feminist. For anyone interested in this story read the following article . Although, I am not a legist of either Islamic Sharia or Common Law, but I think there is room for debate as to whether imprisonment as a penalty for offences, and establishment of prisons and all their attendant paraphernalia is preferable in all cases and situations to say, a flogging or any other physical forms of punishment. And experience has shown that even in the realm of penal law, certain penalties might appear to be severe or even harsh, and so the relative merit and usefulness of different types of punishment must be proportional to the offence being committed. The Qur'an (24:3-5) prescribes flogging for certain offences like the offence committed by Magazu. The severity of the penalty prescribed for these certain offences like the one in question will be more readily appreciated if it is remembered that the safeguarding of moral values and standards is among the primary concerns of the religion in the first instance. I know that such appreciation, however, is not so easily forthcoming nowadays, where unchastity is considered a normal manifestation of our human nature though I tend to agree with that proposition, albeit, to a certain degree. Indeed, is it not true that the human basic psychological urges, which work as underlying motive forces of our behaviour, remain unchangeable? What has been changing through ages is the response we give to those urges. For instance, in all sphere, eating meat or vegetables can satiate one's hunger. But the quality and freshness of meat or vegetables have always varied through generations and will continue to be so. Consequently, urges such as hunger, thirsts, etc. are among numerous natural urges that are part of our nature in the same way as sexual urge, which I will focus in this article. What is baffling however when having a rational discourse of this nature is that nobody ever seems to take the trouble to extend the same argument to other human natural urges? Is it not a natural urge to possess that which one likes such as possessing a wealth or expressing an urge for mundane pursuits? Is it not, again a natural urge to feel angered and agitated and to release these emotions in the wildest possible terms? Why do we continuously legislate or enact laws, which keep interfering with the free expression of these natural urges? And, if we have laws that tend to inhibit us from displaying those of the urges in a way that we like, then why must sex be the only motive force which should be given a free licence to express itself without regard to tradition, norms, decency, appropriateness, and the question of belonging or otherwise? Let us discern and analyse this from another perspective. What we call permissiveness in sexual relationship is what is being expressed in the form of a growing tendency to steal and rob in other areas of human activity, and to injure and hurt others. The uninhibited pursuit of pleasure with perverted tastes emanates from the same decadent tendencies which are demolishing the noblest edifices of civilisation and returning the mode of life back to square one. Only last Thursday, a jury in London Crown Court declared that public nakedness is no longer a crime, giving a verdict that set free a man after five months spent in solitary confinement because of his refusal to wear clothes. Nudists and naturalists have hailed the unanimous verdict as the triumph of society's new tolerance against the law's repressive attitudes! Henceforth, any naked person walking the streets may not be arrested or prosecuted going by the court decision. In the opinion of the court, nakedness in public is not considered "to harm the morals of the public or their comfort, or obstruct the public in the enjoyment of their rights." What will happen if a paedophile wanted to walk naked past a primary school? Here is a supposedly Christian society that purports to be a recipient of Christian values. Whatever that values may be. Evidently therefore, such defiled climate of modern societies like in Britain and other countries in Europe will not make some people to even make attempt to understand the nature and features of the Islamic social climate. But whether we agree or do not agree with the concept of God playing a role in human affairs and shaping man's destiny which Islam readily calls attention to, and whether we are willing to modulate our behaviour in accordance with the authentic revealed word of God or not, one thing is most certain - we can neither defeat the Act of God (I.e., Nature) nor the Word of God (I.e., the true revealed book). Both the Act and Word are found to be in harmony with each and hence are considered valid. Any social behaviour, which we may wish to adopt in direct contradiction of the Word of God, is bound to end in disaster. United States of America typifies a technologically advanced society. With its modern progress, horrific violence and sexual depravity alternate with each other regularly. We cannot have our cake and eat it at the same time. We cannot have unlimited and unrestricted pleasure however we may desire it. All we can do is to swap certain values and options. And any society that chooses sex, vain excitement and exhilaration, does so at the cost of nobler human values, peace of mind and security. And all such bad tendencies which if unchecked, are likely to lead to a gradual disintegration of family life and promote selfishness, irresponsibility, vulgarity, crime and violence are strongly discouraged by Islam. That is why I said in the beginning that Sharia concepts have been misunderstood. Coming back to case of the rural teenage mother, Bariya Ibrahim Magazu, my advice to her is to appeal to a higher court where perhaps an element of extenuations could be found by senior judges who are versed in the philosophy of Islamic Law. Such element may procure relief for her. Fornication and adultery are no pastimes in Islam. So, their punishments are very severe. But there have been precedents in the Islamic history where justifications have been found and these were later used to change the course of the original punishment. Umar, the second Successor to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), was always on lookout for such element extenuations during his time with a view to reducing or modifying the penalty for an offence, and cases so dealt with by him became precedents for later Muslims. Again, an emphasis on chaste living, well insulated against the dangers of a short-circuiting of sexual urges is an important feature of Islamic society. This aspect of Islamic social teachings, which Sharia Law embodied, is extremely important for the protection and survival of the family system. This is the dire need of the time! So I cast my vote for Sharia Law. http://nigeriaworld.com/letters/2001/jan/160.html
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| | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 07:08 am ayan fucck you.ugly bitch.DuH?
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| | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 07:10 am Duh: Nacas nacas dhalay
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| | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 05:41 pm ayan are saying that if girl was raped and became pregnant she should be punished? because it seems to me that this young girl was raped and those men should be punished i did not even read any court hearing about these simply they were never questioned about their role. i'm not against the punishment. but ayan how can you prove that the girl was lying she said she was raped no one saw that. how can you prove otherwise?
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| | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 10:05 pm Yaasiina: Only Allah will know the exact truth. What the court knows is that this girl is pregnant and not married. This much no one can argue with. This is a fact. The other part of the story is in doubt. it is just as you said there are no witnesses. Therefore the court CAN NOT convict the men based on her word. The situation would have been the same if they accused her of sleeping around. You see she is pregnant and that is proof against her. This is not hard to understand sister. Don't find fault with the Islamic court just for the sake of finding faults and don't hate men just because your a women. Also sister, If this girl wanted to accuse these guys of rape she would have done so the day she was raped! Not after they caught her with a large belly. If you accuse some one after your caught its hard for any one to believe you. It seems like you are finding fault based on your desires. What is wrong with you that you side with the western media against the Islamic courts and against the Muslim people of Nigeria. They choose the sharia! So let them have their Sharia. Also Islam Protect us from rape. If a man rapes us, all we have to do is file a report. The doctors can easily find traces of seamen and convict the guilty man on the spot. So you see this girls story does not look very good. The courts rule based on what is know and agreed upon. And not on what she said and he said. Also please think before you speak next time. This is getting repetitive, No offense. If you agree with the punishment, just stop and think for a moment. Every persons convicted of zina would say so and so raped me. Are you saying the courts must convict the men and kill them just because we say so. Based on our words only?? this is not justice. You demand for evidence on one hand and ignore the absence of evidence on the other hand. This is what the Nigerian court had to decide. Evidence has to come in the form of a person (eye witness) or seaman and not in the form of word from a convicted zani! I can understand that the kafir media are against the Islamic courts. They think that Muslims should sleep around just like they do over here. They are against all of Allah's Laws. But you!? I can't figure out. Why sister? Why shouldn't I get mad when I see a Muslim sister Oppose Allah's Laws.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 10:25 am good ayan you said the court can not punish the men according to the what the girl had said so how can you prove the girl was lying and she was sleeping around what if the this girl was telling the truth and you said why did not she file how can she do that she is 17 and she said her father forced her to sleep with his friends how can she go to the court she is living rural area and i think you know how difficult it is for a young girl on her age. i agree with you this girl became pregnant out of the wedlock but how was she raped or she was sleeping around? there is a doubt right so i think since no one can prove her guiltiness or innocence she should be left alone and only alaah knows what realy happened there. and thank you i realy enjoyed discusing this matter with you. i never thought people like you[intellegent] visit this sites.
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| | Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 10:44 am salma, in hargeysa incident you are dead wrong. This case of the 3 women wasn't adultry issue. the story was there were many hookers who were selling their bodies in hargeysa. The people of city didn't like at all this business and they asked those hookers to leave hargeysa. All the hookers went to Djabuti. After a while these 3 came back to hargeysa and started running their business in there. Again they were caught and were asked to leave or else to be put to death. They came forward saying they better face death row. It was that point of time they were stonned to death. Again this case was not adultery case. it was hookers who are not willing to stop selling their bodies. and at the end, they volunteered to be put to death. Many western media criticized the incident saying where are the men. But isn't rediculious to try to find all the cleints(johnies) of these business oriented hookers?. Ps. please note i wasn't there and this is what i heard. if you have any other version, let me hear. Otherise argueing with ignorancy is not bless.
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 06:39 am SALAM: AYAN:OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE STILL SINGING THE SAME SONG."THE FACT THAT SHE IS PREGNANT AND NOT MARRIED PROVES THAT SHE IS A SLUT". LOL...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF RAPE? HOW MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY GIRLS, IN AFRICA GET RAPED AND END UP GETTING PREGNANT OR WITH H.I.V. VIRUS? AND I AM NOT A FEMINIST. I HAVE 2 BEAUTIFUL BROTHERS WHICH I LOVE TO DEATH. AND MAYBE SIS, YOU SHOULD LOOK UP THE DICTIONARY FOR HYPOCRITE. (MEANING YOU). DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE WHERE I CAME FROM. IN SAUDI ARABIA EVEN THE NON MUSLIMS HAVE TO COVER UP. AND PLEASE CUT THE BULL •••• ABOUT BEING A "100% SOMALI WOMAN"....LOL....IF YOU WERE MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T CALL US "IGNORANT SOMAIS" AND MAYBE YOU WOULD EXCEPT OUT IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS WHOLE MATTER. I FEEL SORRY FOR WHO EVER WILL BE YOUR DAUGHTER, MAY ALLAH (SWT) HELP HER. IF SHE WERE RAPED, WHICH I HOPE WON'T HAPPEN, AND ACCUSED OF ADULTERY INSTEAD, YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD HER WHIPPED 180 TIMES. AND FROM ANONYMOUS'S VIEW YOU PROBABLY ARE A MAN. TILL NEXT TIME INSHA'ALLAH. PEACE.
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 09:15 am Alipapa, It was a case of adultery. I wasn't there either, but my somalilanders friends who had reliable information told me. As ususal it was a case of double standard,..... defintely what is good for the goose is not good for the gander kinda thing. ps. I am surprised you actualled asked me a question without insults....must be my lucky day....won't push it though!
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 05:44 pm Samia: You are something sister!! I've already told you that the prophet prohibited Muslims calling one another Hypocrite. This is the second time you've said this. It is obvious that you don't care for the prophet of Allah or even Allah! Like, what is the point of our discussion sister. I called you an Ignorant Somali wanna bee. I did not call all Somali's Ignorant. Your argument is so weak that you have to twist my words. Don't even talk about Saudi Arabia. I was talking about sisters like you who have been "in prison" (in their mind) and know they come here and Attack Islam. I'm not singing any sing samia (the wanna bee)I siding with my Nigerian Muslims (some thing you should learn to do). You love the kufaar and their T.V/media and everything about them. So you choose to act like them. I believe what the Islamic court ruled! Is this so hard for you to understand? Do you only believe white Kufaar?? You should learn to have faith in the Islamic court and Muslim judges. The funny thing is you of all the people on earth call me a hypocrite! Samia lol. Turn around and Ask Allah for forgiveness. I wouldn't even respond to your post had you not attacked the Islamic court and in so doing attacked the Muslim Nigerian people and the book of Allah! You choose your friend and you've chosen to go against the Muslims. I would support the Nigerian courts if they ruled that the girl had been raped. I would support killing the rapist! The courts had more details then me, you and the kafir media. They are most capable of rendering a just verdict. Do you lack the least bit of common sense? I suggest that you remain silent because you prove your ignorance every time you type a message I know that the kufaar are upset with Nigeria because they implemented the Islamic Sharia in three provinces in the north (all praise is to Allah for that). They people demanded this inspite of the governments refusal! This is the first time that they started to use Allah's laws and the kufaar hate this. Why do you oppose them?? Can you not see the bigger picture? are you so blind that you've narrowed the issue to a man verses women issue. Is this all your brain is capable of handling?? The Issue at stake is ISLAM sister. I pray that ALLAH guides you and opens your Eyes. Anonymous and you can claim what ever you like, but fear Allah at the very least! There will be a Day of Judgement
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| | Monday, January 22, 2001 - 06:31 pm Samia ......did you know A SLUT defends a SLUT LoL!!!!
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 03:30 am SALAM, AYAN: YOU ASKED ME NOT TO CALL YOU HYPOCRITE, AND YET YOU CALL ME FEMINIST, SLUT, AGAINST THE RELIGION TYPE OF GIRL, AND THE ABUSE CONTINUES. AND I ALSO THINK YOU SAID "I DID NOT CALL YOU A SLUT OR A WHORE, I DON'T KNOW YOU"....LOL...BULL •••• SIS. TRUE YOU DON'T KNOW ME, AND LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY. AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN WANNA BE...ALLAHU AKBAR...SIS PLEASE PROVE WHAT YOU AND YOUR JUDGING AND HYPOCRITICAL MIND HAS AGAINST ME. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES THAT YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE (LIKE THE EXAMPLES ABOVE). AND YOU ALSO SAID "LOOK UP THE WORD ANGRY AND YOU WILL SEE FEMINIST/LESBIAN"...ISTAQFURUL'LAH! CALLING ME A FEMINIST AND LESBIAN SIS JUST MAKES YOU ANOTHER FOOL AND A HYPOCRITE. AND DON'T DENY THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY SUCH THINGS AND DON'T SAY THAT "I WASN'T CALLING YOU ANYTHING LIKE THAT", WHICH IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO. I CAME TO THE WEST TO GET A GOOD EDUCATION. WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY YOU ARE HERE TOO. SO PLEASE DON'T ACT LIKE YOU ARE SOME TYPE OF ANGEL. AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO REPLY DO SO WITH RESPECT, CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID "I DON'T KNOW YOU". TILL NEXT TIME INSHA'ALLAH TAKE CARE.
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 07:21 am Samia: It is obvious you have difficulty with the english Language. Samia don't misunderstand me girl. I don't care that you call me a hypocrite or any other word. I am only informing you that the words you are using are prohibited. Allah will use it against you on qiyamah. Also, Not only is your English bad but so is your understanding and intellect. You want me to reply to you with respect? Get real sis. I have no respect for your type. You attack Islam and Allah and you want respect?? Once again your poor English makes you think that am trying to make peace with You. The only thing I called you was a feminist. Learn to read Samia! Once again Samia you may call me a word you please. I was only doing you a favor by informing you about Halal and Haram. As long as you hold your (perverted views) on capital punishment and Islamic sharia You will be an Enemy of Allah, Islam and Muslim. Tomorrow You will sleep in the grave that you dig today. Keep digging Enemy of Islam. Perhaps it's just that your Ignorant about Islam? I Never claimed to be a good Muslimah or the best sister on the Web! No I have my faults. However I never speak ill about Islam or oppose it in the manner that you have done so. You try to find words that I've used to prove that I'm a bad muslimah but you forget your position on the issue. Trust me samia I am holding myself back when I call you a feminist. Islam does not let me cross a lot of lines. Keep on saying what you please, I know what I said. It is all above. I challenge you to cut and paste any of your ignorant allegations. Yes I call you Ignorant, feminist,enemy of Islam(until you change your opinion on the Sharia), wanna be, Dum. Sister you need to brush up on your English I think you've adopted the phase, "when in England, do as the English" But you sure as hell haven't learnt their language well. AKA wanna bee
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 02:48 pm ayan i have no other choice but support samia. i've read all your replies and yet i did not see samia using foul language. at the beginning she asked a question and you insulted her.the girl did not say anything about the religion. you said she is against the religion. how do you know that? are you her best friend? agin ayan i do not think samia deserved the way you replied to her. islam encourages the discussion so why are you against it. and why are so angry? calm down sister.
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| | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 04:16 pm YAASMIINA: Waalal, Im not looking for support or opposition. I am feed up with kufaar talking bad about Islam. The last thing we need is a Muslim sister attacking Islam and the decision of the new Islamic court. The only person I called slut is this girl who is getting whipped. I'm defending the Islamic court and samia can only think about..."if she is slut then how come the guys are playa" This is the extent of her Brian. She view everything as man verse women and thus I've called her a feminist. Her inability to see the big picture amazes me.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:25 am SALAMUCALAYKUM: YASMIINA: THANKS SIS FOR YOUR MATURITY AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I MEAN BY A HYPOCRITE. MAY ALLAH (SWT) BLESS YOU. AYAN: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.............SIS GO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE S*** YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT. NOW YOU INSULT MY ENGLISH AND STILL CALLING ME A FEMINIST. TODAY YOU CALL ME IGNORANT! WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU ANYTHING BUT A HYPOCRITE..RIGHT? BUT YOU SEEM TO RUN YOU STINKING MOUTH AND LIE ABOUT THIS WHOLE MATTER. I MAY HAVE THE STORY WRONG SIS ABOUT THE NIGERIAN GIRL..BUT I DID NOT SAY SHE DOESN'T DESERVE TO GET LASHED. WHAT I CLEARLY SAID WAS...WHY DON'T THE MEN GET LASHED TOO. IF YOU READ THE BEGINING TO THIS TOPIC YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. STILL YOU ARE SINGING THE SAME SONG..."SHE IS AGAINST ALLAH (SWT) AND THE RELIGION"....PROVE ONE THING I HAVE SAID TO INSULT ALLAH(SWT) AND ISLAM?. IT IS SAID, WHAT EVER YOU ACCUSE SOMEONE ABOUT YOU MUST HAVE PROVE AND IF YOU DON'T YOU WILL HAVE TO PROVE IT ON JUDGEMENT DAY. TILL NEXT TIME INSHA'ALLAH PEACE OUT.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 08:02 am hello all, To: Salma sis 89 and early 90..lol are u ok. 89 Hargaysa was a gost town, the 26 section of the army was hiding in one side, and 90% of the surroudning area was run by the reblls. in 1990 somalia was ina full blown civil war from Awdal to Jubada hoose. lol woman..some times i wonder if we came from the same countery..lol come again
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 02:48 pm Nin Yaaban, ask the people who were there then. when I heard this story I asked friends from Hargeisa and they confirmed that the incident took place. Ghost town or not an injustice was done, whereby the Islamic sharia was misused.
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| | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 03:26 pm there is nothing worse than calling someone a hypocrite...
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