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How do you know that islam is the true religion? and other religions arent: Muslims all over the world seem to be biased from the moment they reach maturity till they die ...Why is this the case?..Can anyone sensibly tell me how true is Islam compared to Christianity and Judaism...

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farah

Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:46 am
Let me make it very clear at the outset that i dont intend to nor was it my intention to argue from a point without due regard to the nature of the prevailing common opposition s to it. I have raised this issue in order to clear ceratin ambiguities in my beliefs, i therefore hope and wish that we all respect each other and simply exchange our points..
Islam is a great religion undoubtedly one which became known and spread almost every corner on earth through the sword of men whom i can describe only as possessed.
There is however certain part of islaM that i cant understand..The slavery issue..Islam bermits the enslavement of people..i guess no one can argue against that,,it is written down in your koran,,Why ? Is this a religion that despises certain categories of people as slaves,,,What about your prophet, mohamed-(S,A.W), he owned slaves,,amongst all kalifahs,,they all had slaves ..why? is this god of islam fair? can anyone explain to me please?

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Durgal

Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 02:48 pm
Farah, your question is not a religious question rather it is cultural and moral issue, thus it is inappropriate to put in religious context. You need to ask many questions. Is slavery morally reprehensible? And why? Who becomes slave? Why some poeple are slave and not others? What makes someone slave? And how slaves themselves were acquired and treated from one culture to another? And again we need to ask these question all over agian when we are comparing generations who lived 1000 years apart. What was morrally reprehensible yesterday may not be strange today, and Why is that? What do we base our morals and ethics in regard to slavery? Religion or other sources.

There are numerous issues that Islamic religion had nothing to say, in other words it let other Caadaat continue as long as they were not contradictory to the walfare of the islamic Ummah.

Farah you should read " Ibn taymiyyah against Christianity"

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SAMEERA

Monday, January 29, 2001 - 01:57 am
HI!!!!!!!
TELL ME WERE IN THE KORAN IT SAYES THAT.


I'LL BE BACK!!!!!!

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Nubian boy

Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:47 pm
TO DURGAL THAX BRO.

TO SAMEERA AND FARAH.

IF WANT TO KNOW UR OWN QUESTION REAAAAAAAAAD THE QUR'AN.

IF U CAN'T READ.
READ THIS.
ALLAH (SW) SAID IN THE QUR'AN." ANYONE WHO TAKE OTHER THAN ISLAM AS A RELIGION, ALLAH WILL NOT ACCEPT HIS OR HER DEEDS. IN ANOTHER VERSE ALLAH(SW)SAID "THE ONLY RELIGION ALLAH REVELATED IS ISLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM"

ISLAM DOES NOT NEED U. YOU NEED ISLAM TO SAVE YOUR SELF.

SMOKE IN THE HELL.

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Faiza

Monday, January 29, 2001 - 10:22 pm
Farah:


I just wana advice you!! since u came here not to argue islam but infact to clear some doubts you have.
you should learn more about islam, read the quran, and go to clases which offers islamic teaching, this will closly attach you to ur only lord " Allah".
i'm not going to answer ur doubts , because simply i'm not cualufied, laaken i wana add something and say despite what u r doubting, you must know that we are all slaves to allah (s.w.t) and to allah, we r all equal.
So Brother please allah only wants what's best for us, and islam is the true religion.
comment back and tell me what you think.and take it easy Islam doesn't require us, we need islam to survive the hell fire, this life is only a short journey, every singel one of us will recieve what he deserves , either paradise ur eyes adores or the hell fire (acudu billahi menha)
you and me and every one will be placed in one of them for ever . Hopefully we will meet in paradise with our muslim brothers and sisters, until then work hard for ur akira.

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Anonymous

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 04:14 pm
Sister farah,

If you need answers to your questions and concerns come to the Non-Muslim Somalia forums.

There is much to learn if you have an open mind.

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MADO

Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 06:15 am
Slavery in Islam
The Quran
O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. -- 49:13
Prophet Muhammad, 570--632 AD
. . . yield obedience to my successor, although he may be an Abyssinian slave.
He will not enter paradise who behaveth ill to his slaves. The companions said, "O Apostle of God! Have you not told us, that there will be a great many slaves and orphans amongst your disciples?" He said, "Yes; then be kind to them as your own children, and give them to eat of what you eat yourselves. The slaves that say their prayers are your brothers."

[The first call to prayer at the Quba mosque built by Prophet Muhammad was given in 622 by Bilal -- a black slave freed by the Prophet. The Supreme Court of the United States declared in 1857 that the slave Dred Scott could not sue for his freedom because he was not a person, but property.]

Annemarie Schimmel, Islam: An Introduction
Slavery was not abolished by the Koran, but believers are constantly admonished to treat their slaves well. In case of illness a slave has to be looked after and well cared for. To manumit [free] a slave is higly meritorious; the slave can ransom himself by paying some of the money he has earned while conducting his own business. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war can become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim; therefore slavery is theoretically doomed to disappear with the expansion of Islam. The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). Eunuchs too served in important capacities, not only as the guardians of the women's quarters, but also in high administrative and military positions. -- p. 67
Roger Du Pasquier, Unveiling Islam
To answer this question, it should first be remarked that Islam has tolerated slavery but has never approved of it, and that all its teachings and prescriptions in this regard lead to its alleviation as far as possible in the short term, and, in the longer term, conduce to its progressive suppression. To abolish it would have been impossible in a world in which it was generally practiced by all the states which bordered on the new Muslim empire, and in which the idea of challenging the principle itself had not occurred to anyone. It was the custom to enslave prisoners of war -- when these were not simply massacred -- and the Islamic state would have put itself at a grave disadvantage vis-a-vis its enemies had it not reciprocated to some extent. By guaranteeing them humane treatment, and various possibilities of subsequently releasing themselves, it ensured that a good number of combatants in the opposing armies preferred captivity at the hands of Muslims to death on the field of battle.
It should be very clearly underlined that the slavery once practiced in the Muslim world cannot be compared to the form it had assumed -- for instance -- in the Roman Empire. Islamic legislation subjected slaveowners to a set of precise obligations, first among which was the slave's right to life, for, according to a hadith, 'Whoever kills his slave shall be killed by us'. In consequence, the murder of a slave was punished like that of a free man.

There are many other hadiths which define Islam's true attitude in this regard. The Prophet said: 'Your slaves are your brethren; therefore whoever has a brother who depends upon him must feed and clothe him in the way he feeds and clothes himself; and should not impose upon him tasks which exceed his capacity; should you ask them to do such things, then you are obliged to help them.' The Sharia takes this injunction, among many others, into account when defining the responsibilities and duties of slaveholders.

There is another teaching which enjoins respect for the human dignity of slaves: 'Let none of you say, "This man, or this woman, is my slave". He must rather say: "This is my man, and this my woman."' Putting into relief the provisional character of social ties and the authority exercised by slaveowners over their slaves, the Prophet said: 'It is true that God has made you their masters, but, had He so wished, He could equally well have made you their slaves.'

To manumit a slave has always been regarded as one of the most meritorious of all acts, and many passages of the Qur'an recommend or even require it, particularly as a means of expiation for serious faults. Traditional legislation lays down the methods of voluntary liberation of slaves by their masters (itq), and there were very many Muslims who observed these, especially at the end of their lives, so as not to die and appear before God without having given full freedom to the human beings placed in their power during their earthly lives.

Additionally, slaves had the ability to enfranchise themselves at their own initiative, without waiting passively for the goodwill of their masters: the procedure known as mukataba allowed them to buy their own freedom with sums which they saved from their work, and which the state frequently augmented with advances -- a measure which the slaveowner had no right to oppose. In contrast to the situation under Roman law, slaves were not deprived of the legal ability to exercise their rights and to appeal to a judge against their masters in all cases of illegal treatment.

Besides domestic slavery, which was generally imbued with a patriarchal character, there also existed a form of military slavery, which was frequently employed by princes in need of recruits, especially for their personal guards. This situation had the effect of conferring an often considerable influence and power on men of servile condition or origin, and some of these became the founders of great and illustrious dynasties such as the Tulunids and Mamlukes of Egypt.

The object of a prosperous commercial sector, which under the Abbasid Empire was often the speciality of non-Muslims, particularly Byzantine and Venetian Christians, and Jews, slavery gradually declined in importance until, at the beginning of the present century, it was confined to a few survivals which have now disappeared entirely. Thanks to the strict traditional controls which have always regulated the practice, it would be difficult to deny that social conditions were remarkably humane during the great periods of Muslim civilization, and that these, moreover, were in conformity with the 'egalitarian' spirit of Islam, which, in a hadith, teaches that 'the blackest of Abyssinians' is superior to most noble of Quraishites, if he has more faith. -- p. 104 - 107

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tanade

Monday, February 05, 2001 - 09:46 am
I don't want to insult you, but your asking stupid question. You choose which ever religion seems real to you. whether you believe that jesus is the son of god or jesus is the prophet of allah. you choose dummy!!! Ilaaheey Ka baq...

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