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Farrakhan's Fantasy Land

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive (Before Feb. 16, 2001): Farrakhan's Fantasy Land
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MO-man

Friday, February 02, 2001 - 05:14 pm
Rather than accept the opinions of people either in support or in opposition to the Nation of Islam, I decided to personally read the teachings Farrakhan, and draw my own conclusions about the Nation of Islam. There is no better place to find information about Farrakhan than from the Nation itself, so I went to a used bookstore and purchased a 1965 edition “Message to the Blackman in America,” by Elijah Mohammed, the man the Nation of Islam believes to be the divine messenger of Allah. Farrakhan was a follower of Elijah Mohammed, and to this day Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam continue to preach Mahammed’s teachings as scripture.

The Nation of Islam teaches that Allah, who is black, created man, who of course was also black. In the chapter “Making of Devil,” Elijah Mohammed teaches that in 4000 BC, a mad black scientist named Yacub created the white race through 600 years of selective breeding. This manufactured white race was so inherently evil and caused so many problems among the black race, that whites were soon expelled to the caves of Europe. The Nation of Islam teaches that the tools available to the black scientist in 4000 BC for the creation and then banishment of the white race include microscopes, rifles, and dynamite.

After being banished to Europe, without blacks to use as civilizational guides, The Nation of Islam teaches that whites soon regressed to the level of savages, lived in trees, and grew hair all over their bodies. The dirtiest and most vile of these white creatures were the Jews.

The nation of Islam teaches that some whites tried to breed themselves back to the original black race. However, without black scientists to act as guides, the white’s attempts only produced gorillas. In fact, the book says, the entire monkey family was created by the attempts of whites to breed themselves back to the Negroid race.

And so it went for 2000 years until Moses was sent to civilize the whites. It was Moses who taught whites the “tricknology” necessary to dominate the world for the last 4000 years. In the chapter entitled “The Battle in the Sky,” The Nation of Islam teaches that the time nears for a great race war to be fought in the sky, in which Allah will smite the white race, and return blacks to the rightful position as rulers of the Earth.

Now get this… In the same chapter, Elijah Mohammed also claims that in order to fight this war, in the early 1960’s, blacks built and launched a giant space ship called the “Mother Plane.” This Mother Plane is described as being in a wheel shape, is one half mile by one half mile, can remain in space for 6 months at a shot, and is equipped with 1500 fighter planes.

Farrakhan himself claims to have ridden on this Mother Plane!!!

This loony-tune, who teaches that whites were created by a black scientist in 4000 BC, and claims to go for rides on space ships, draws crowds of tens of thousands of blacks wherever he speaks. Jesse Jackson embraces this man. Even Lieberman has agreed to meet with him.(for all those who don't know, these are two political heavy-weights here in the US)

Given Farrakhan’s demonstrated inability to differentiate between fantasy and reality, how can anyone listen to anything he says and keep a straight face?

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freeman

Friday, February 02, 2001 - 05:39 pm
yo! as i see this blacks don't get history, so they trying to make their own folks. but i wonder why they using islam for this.

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Sagittarius

Friday, February 02, 2001 - 06:12 pm
You just don't get it, do you?

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ABDALLA

Friday, February 02, 2001 - 06:33 pm
mo_man where you copied this jewih propganda?
i met brother FARAKHAN twice. i shook hands with him. i met hin in toronto and then in New York. i also met KHALID ABDUL MOHAMED who came to ottawa one time,and he talked to some black kids and gave them lectures about their history, though he is radical black nationalist, he welcomed and embraced all somali brothers and sisters who were there and oppsed some of his views. he said he liked the somali people's toughness and fierce independence. then the zionist jews managed to ban him coming back to CANADA and even in england.

i know the nation and have friends here in columbus ohio too. the nation is now eveolving and soon you will hear that they have got rid of the falsehood they beleived for a while. now they pray five times a day, fast the month of ramadan and visit masjadis and are reaching out to the large muslim community.
the man who taught ELIJAH MOHAMMED was a white arab man, probably syrian,or shaami who had white skin and looked like a european. his name was FARD MOHAMMED...he taught elijah of things unislamic, but give the nation credit for uplifting the black man and freeing him from mental slavery.
a lot of great muslim scholars who are african american used to belong to the nation like IMAM SIRAJ WAHHAJ and also remember ELIJAH's son WARITHU_DIIN MOHAME is a muslim leader we all respect and love.
MALCOLM X and MOHAMMED ALI , the greatest african american heroes of our century belonged to the nation. still the nation of islam produces great thinkers and scholars and revloutioneries.
we muslim have not been enslaved and we cannot understand the pain and hurt of our brothers in AMERICA...we don't even know how to relate to our african american brothers. i see the nation as a medium where black mind is trained and most of the people who become muslims have been exposed to ISLAM by the nation.
we love FARAKHAN and mr MO..though am sure u have copied this article from some zionist jewish newspaper..get the •••• outta her.

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Anonymous

Friday, February 02, 2001 - 07:23 pm
abdalla

No you need to get your african american....No...your black negro wanna be ass out of here. Bitch in ditch.

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MuslimSisTa

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 04:38 am
Salamz All
Abdula:
I couldn't make out what u were trying to say about the nation of Islam. Are u saying since some of the well know scholars came to know Islam through the nation of Islam, That its good that the Nation of Islam is here for us muslims cause it brings Well know scholars to Islam?????????????????????

I'm gonna await ur response before i suggests anything just incase i misunderstood what u were saying.

Ur sister in faith muslimsista
SalamzAll:)

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ONE EDUCATED SOMALI BROTHER

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 06:34 am
Just take his issues not his believes. He ain't good Muslim so take his words towards un justice and equality, but don't follow with his religous believes, cause it's wrong.

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kamal

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 06:58 am
Salamu calaykum

:)

Istakhfurullah... May allah[SWT] forgive them for their weak minds


Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441:
Narrated Abu Huraira :

Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)

C/salaam :)

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kamal

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 06:58 am
Salamu calaykum


Istakhfurullah... May allah[SWT] forgive them for their weak minds


Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441:
Narrated Abu Huraira :

Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30)

C/salaam :)

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MO-man

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 11:45 am
Abdalla I don't know what to say to you bro. Did I copy this? No. What I simply did was get some background information on this topic, and reached my own conclusions in reading the teachings of the Nation of Islam. I suggest you do the same. Getting back to your response, what exactly are you arguing? That the Nation of Islam is no different than the Islam that we practice? If so, you truly are more ignorant than I first imagined. The Nation of Islam has taken bits and pieces of Islam and incorporated into their lives in a way that would be to their benefit. Let me correct you: Malcolm X did belong to the Nation of Islam, but later retracted his beliefs, after attending hajj, to accept true Islam-he was soon after assassinated. My friend, there is no propaganda here-it's simply the truth. Again I suggest you do your research. I await your response, and oh yes, let's keep the cursing to a minimum shall we-no need to go into hysterics.

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Alipapa

Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 09:10 pm
abdalla,

i am with you 100%, man.

Mo-Man,

what you wrote was the past and how Nation of islam came to being. However, things changed. Nation of islam are in process of becoming ordox islam. Farakhan ordered Nation of islam to pray five times a day and observe the holly month of ramadan. I guess Abdalla told you that.

We need to give them the benefit of doubt. They are on their way of becoming good muslims. We need to help them and use diplomacy to bring them to islam. We don't need to condomn them or crtitize them.

Please stop critizing this community. As Abdalla told you, you have no idea what they are going through.

Alipapa

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MO-man

Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 04:52 am
Yes to a certain extent you are right, different factions of the Nation of Islam have moved toward true Islam. But let us recollect in 1975, after Elijah Muhammad's death, his son Wallace Deen Muhammad was named supreme minister of Nation of Islam. However, two months into his leadership he declared that whites were no longer viewed as evil and would be allowed into the movement. This shift, as well as a move toward the more orthodox Sunni Islam, shocked and alienated a large group of followers. The Nation splintered into several alliances and by 1978 national spokesman Louis Farrakhan led a group that resurrected the original Nation of Islam teachings of Black Nationalism and separatism.

I am afraid you have misunderstood. Alipapa I do agree with you in that we need to use the means of diplomacy to bring the Nation of Islam to true Islam.But I find it rather naive in saying that "We need to give them the benefit of doubt." I am not criticizing the people here, I am simply criticizing the basis of their beliefs, and yes to some extent Farrakhan himself. I have worked in a large black community, some of them adherants to the Nation of Islam, and found through many conversations and observations that although the Nation of Islam can be an incredible means of increasing awareness of issues in the black community, it can also be a greater means of polarizing race relations in this country.

If you want more information on the beliefs of the Nation, go to http://www.noi.org/program.html

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luvya

Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 05:34 am
Abdalla, Alipapa you two are truly stupid. I think you're from the Nation of Islam from the way you're talking. Read the Quran then you'll find which form is correct.

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Alipapa

Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 11:19 am
mo-man,

I completely understood what you wrote down. But then again you seem so focused on the past of Nation of Islam. I told you it was year ago when Frakhan announced that Nation of Islam are joining the mainstream muslims--the ordox muslims.

And I also told you that Nation of Islam are phase of changing. I insist on that we need to give them the benefit of doubt.

However, i am not denying that the origin of their belief was not out of islam and based only on race.

Again, nation of islam needs help from you Mo-man. I don't know their numbers, but they are signifact number in the black community. We need them as muslims. We can't afford them to loose or alienate them. We need to correct them and try guide to the right bath. And please note the last thing they need is another black muslim critizing them. Just imagine that all Nation of Islam members converted to mainstream muslims! that would be the most victoreous moment in islamic history. I don't know if you were aware of but black civil movements have powerfull lobby bodies. And the most powerfull one being NAACP. And the black people race matter the most than religion does. And that is why Frakhan abled to mobolize one million march men. In this million men, only less than half were muslims(nation of islam). And the rest were christians. What i am trying to say is Frakhan and Nation of islam are very powerful movement. And from help of black civil Rights movements, they can lobby for all muslim rights here in US. Maybe soon you will be allowed to go juma prayer since you are muslims. Maybe IId would be of the national holidays. Maybe islamic marriage and divorce would be part of US courts. Who know?.

I will conclude a poem from great somali poet--Sayid Mohamed--INa abdila Hassan, the mindfull mullah. In this poem, sayind mohamed was not happy how Ismail mire hadled some issues of their former enemies. He was telling him to bring his enemy to home, he should use diplomacy, not critic. He said "Oh Isma'el mire,it seems you are lacking great wisdom here. It good trick to do favor even you don't mean to in order to reach your political ends. and don't you make them to flee.".

I hope you can read somali. If so, here is the part of the poem. enjoy it.

Maandhoow Ismaaciil miroow
-taladu waa aydin kaa maqane.

Maandoow asxaan lagama taga
-Xataa eed hadaad faliye.

Maandhoow ergada heyga didin
-waa alalag taadiiye.

Alipapa

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Anonymous

Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 11:46 am
I don't have a problem with Black Militant groups like the Black Muslims existing as long as those stupid white supremacist groups like the KKK exist.
Religion-wise, these people are misled! Fine!
But compare an African American who is black muslim to one who is christian. What a difference! Black muslims don't drink, smoke, do drugs, eat pork, they work and take care of their families. Whereas, you have these ignorant black christians talking about Jesus this and Jesus will take us to the promised land, talking about the hereafter while they don't even fight for their rights in this world... they're all asleep!
And the reason the media is especially hard on them is 1- because they're for black self-reliance
2-they haven't been exactly JEW-friendly

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