     DrWho | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 03:19 am
Salamu Alaa mani Taba'a Al Hudaa,
Practically the majority of the people who partook the discussion of that threat titled "The reality of the Ethiopian threat and the need for young Somalis to be prepared." are full of nefarious ideologies. The most artful among them is a chap named him self MAD-MAC or something to that effect. His insidious tactics were fall by many innocuous Somalis who thought his opinions about Somali politics are quite genuine. They affirmed my fear, the fair that there will be many victims of this patriarchal Anglo-Saxon tactics, aren't we all being victims of western mass media? I wonder when will be liberated mentally!!!!!!.
I feel that due to lack of informed individualls we will endure to fall again and again without realising what is the aetiology of this problem.
As many sagacious people of this forums said, let us be cautious about what we say. I shall stress that we should examine where we inherited these ideas that are overflowed our heads.
Has anyone of us contemplated prior or in the middle of his/her writing of any meaningful and potentially harmful if not pestilent?. I urge to ponder about what we say and think about where we have got from what we are writing, cause the possibility of conveying a very detrimental idea is extremely great.
I would like to conclude by saying to my fellow caveman Mr Mad-MAC, if you are not Somali by origin why on earth are you doing here? And do not tell me you are here to educate us, or you are madly in love with the murkiness of Somali politics.
Wabillahi towfiq.
DrWho
London, England |
| Aisha | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 03:52 am
Thank Godness for The DRWHO, FOR WITHOUT HIM SOMALI NET WOULD NOT HAVE A GUIDER.
Thank you for putting us to the right path when ever we derail from it.
Aisha |
| Comrade | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 03:59 am
Good English. |
| Somali | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 04:02 am
Go Doc.
At last we have a Man who can handle maad maac.
What are you going to do now, you silly old White/Black American Fugeeeeeet.
Real Somali |
| kamal | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 04:06 am
hmmm food for thought...
One of my younger brothers is always finding new ways to increase stress in his life, when i asked him why he was burning himself out he replied " To break is to mend and that which has experienced break down and rebuilt is stronger, thougher, and more tolerant then the rest"
In a way that is true applying basic Engineering principles to the problem, when we engineers want to improve the properties of steel we heat it up to a very high temperatures and then quench it in a cold medium. This has the effect of entrapping special properties within the steel by tempering(annealing) it, the steel only becomes soo much more usefull to our needs with properties that are grossly increased.
To increase this properties even better the samples can be work hardened, cold worked or machined...
Over all back to reality of the non-mechanicaly minded... there is no harm in exposure to extreme mental exercising of our people... we all will come out of this much better inshallah...
P.S i failed to mention sometimes samples have certain impurities and these practices we carry out to improve the steel will cause it to deteriorate and hence render the steel totaly un-employable... only thing it is used for then is scrab metal...
xiisaha kalgacalkeena hashaye isbarshadeena... kadaa saaca cali warsame
kun jeer ku.... da dada daaaaaaa din din
c/salaam |
| Sophist | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 04:20 am
Well well welll,
What a classical piece of writing. It is flawless, reminds me a discourse took place between Protagoras and Socrates.
Reading what you have been writing Mr Drwho for last couple years or so, I find that you are not only wadaad, but a pure philosopher. I can smell some of the Emmanuel Kant's philosophy; especially his book The Critique of Pure reason. It is not a transgression of licit to philosophy things, but I am afraid you are wasting your talent as a Sophist in wrong place. Why don't you go to Somalia, and participate the new government, then again you can not do that cause you are ahead of you country men about 50 years. Your mother gave birth quite soon when she had you.
You know, I took pleasure reading your articles though you sometimes derail from the mainstream of philosophy and you adopt the methods of Ibnu Rushd and specially Gazzali. But over all you are a great guy, keep the good work.
Your Fellow Sophist
Sophist |
| kamal | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 05:54 am
Forgive me peeps i made a big caca on further analysis of my notes i noticed a bad error... no just a minnor... but i won't be responsible for your misinformation about engineering materials..
CORRECTION to the previous entry
The percentage and distribution of carbon in iron is the primary influence on the physical properties of various types of steel and steel alloys; this carbon is contianed in the ferrite, pearlite and cementite in the iron in different proportions. Heat treatment of steel can be used to achieve the required size, shape and distribution of these substances and to develop compounds such as austenite and martensite. Heat treatment hardens, strengthens but can induce residual strains. To relieve this strain the steel undergoes tempering (annealing). This is achieved by reheating to a lower temperature, which lowers the hardness and strength but improves the ductility and toughness
Sorry |
| ahmed | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 01:54 pm
DRWHO
I did participated that discussion you mentioned and I do not have problem with MAD MAC participation and his opinion about Somalia in general as long as we know his background. The Somali culture tells us to be nice our guests and threat well our defeated enemy that may see weakness in the Europeans culture. Sometime it is nice to see foreign people opinions for some issue. If MAD MAC have mission I do not see most of us as easy victim. He still has lot more to know about Somalis. I am not surprise if he is popular here In fact most of teen ages in the world see thing same.
Trying to decide on an issue for the problem/solution agreement creates a lot of tension in our discussion. We all have very strong opinions on certain issues, and these opinions made it very difficult to come to a consensus. All of us want our ideas to be the one that works and many of us are too close-minded. I read Darwinist’s and Hitler philosophy which most of most of white people philosophy is based on. Simply they do not have problem killing you for their survival.
Many Young, even educated are so appreciated to be here in the West. . These young Somalis are short time here and amazed the liberty and opportunity the West offers. But they forgot life is not always so wonderful in America. Soon or later America teach you who you are and where you from. I want say to all Somalis, be careful borrowing and adopting the ideas from foreign cultures. Knowing and adopting another culture is totally different things. You can only be proud of your property and your culture. “Anaa dameer leh aabaheybaa geel le baydhaantaa”
The Somali culture supports individuality, dependability and uniqueness but many other cultures did not. For example this MAD MAC, for all his knowledge about Somalia and Somalis did not make him see things differently, even he have strong opinion the Somali and Ethiopia issue and want see the colonized West Somali under Ethiopia occupation in the future. His opinion about West Somalia must to be contradiction the freedom for all people and all races which you learn in the school.
DRWHO did not ask us comments of how well he can write. He is concerns what we write this forums and our close-minded discussion. I am thirty years, university student but I am feeling too old and too conservative |
| Basra | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 02:43 pm
Another Nebulous arguement blaming Mass Media on personal faults and failures.Heloooooooooo? |
| kamal | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 02:51 pm
Ahmed... i would like to here how our people can open their closed minds??? |
| laxoox-lover | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 02:57 pm
basra did you finish high school any where?
you always negative person....i don't know why?
is it your childhood? |
| Ahmed | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 04:50 pm
Kamal
We have to see things in larger perspective. For example every Somalis knows he/she will benefit a peaceful Somalia. Fist we are doing nothing to achieve that, secondly we tend to take side easily. Even topics we should have similar view, for example Islam and Ethiopia our opinion are biased which group or warlords we support to. The above-mentioned topic is obvious example of that. We reached a limit where clan loyalty comes first and our religion and our nation last. We have to understand our personal goals and our people goals are connected each other. We have to stop to be negative everything and miss credit everything. To come back your question, I do not have good answer. Most of us do pray and if not enough education we have enough life experience.
LET US PRAY ALLAH TO SHOW US THE RIGHT PATH. |
| Gheedi | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 06:23 pm
DrWho --with all the respect please get Somali nickname ,secondly do not underestimate the heart of Somali Youth ,their real goals are to unify all Somali territories no less no more ,Very clear ,and regardless what anyone else philosophy is,Ethiopians are full awere Somalians want their land back which the British colony gave them 1948....and historically Somali's have shown a fierce independence,an unwillingness to submit to authiority.. Mad Mac either for peace or War Ogaden belongs to Somalia its in our hearts no secret .. and All somali's I pray to Allah to unite our hearts ..peace and love |
| spike_luu | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 07:26 pm
ILNA KULA DAAQ, ILNA KU DIGTOONOOW.
FULEEY KAADI BADANE WAA LOO GOGOL BADIYAA...
DOQONI XARIGII LAGU XIRI LAHAA XUSULADEEY KU SIDATAA
hadii xaarku dahab noqon lahaa...dadka faqriga ah dabo eey ku xaaraan lama siiyeen
RABIGEENA XAAKIMKA AHEE XILLA IIGA KAA DHIGAY BAAN KUN JEER KU XAMDIYAAYAA,
SOO JOOG NINKII(NAAGTII) LAGA WAAYO SOO JIIF AA LAGA HELAA
ILAAHAYOOW EEXO HA NOOGA TEGIN,AAQOON DARRO-NA HA NAGU CADAABIN |
| kamal | Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 11:22 pm
Waad mahadsantahey Ahmed...
As long as we are communicating with each other, i suppose the truth will always surface and inshallah... generations to follow will have learnt from the current one...
Let us not fear the unknown, is all i can add... the unknown is most attractive to the somali eye, may be we need good advertisement agents who can sugar coat the requirements of our people. Clearly we don't give much notice to the obvious truth.
Allahu akbar i continue to place my trust in the all mighty...
-allah deliver umadan
-indhaha, dhagaha iyo maskaxdaba uu saafiyee
-naxariistaada nagu wada beer
AMIN |
| DrWho | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 06:15 am
Salamu alaikum to you all.
I am confoundedly astonished to see how we responded to my article.
I have anticipated a different ideas to be submitted, but is seems once more that we are failing to comprehend the contents of my article " If i can call art...".
I feel we need a great deal of education, not the one which these Western Universities supply, but something different to what they teach.
Sophist.
Lol, you made me laugh immensely. I hate to disappoint you but I am not a philosopher, far from it.
That is all I have time for it.
DrWho
London, England |
| Somali-Yankee | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 07:20 am
Arrest the murderers in somalia and we will talk about unity.......give me a reason rejoin mainstream somalia....as long as the blight of the people is ignored....there won't be a greater somalia.....and quite frankly i rather have a divided somalia existing independently than unified one where people are oppressed just coz they are not ones running the show
i learn from humanity but i don't buy into anybody's idealogy but mine
peace |
| MAD MAC | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 09:08 am
Somali-Yankee. Can't improve upon your post. Let's hope Somalia develops some responsible leadership. Insha Allah.
Dr Who
Well, unlike the Prince I'm not inclined to lie to get my way. Of course, since I'm right I don't need to.
As for the Ethiopia / Ogaden (Western Somalia for those of you who prefer) the way to retrieve the Ogaden is via money. If Somalia develops a strong economy THEN it will be in a strong bargaining position. As for a military solution, that's just not practical. Not enough Somalis and too many Ethiopians. |
| Double D | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 10:06 am
Its had to please the Somalian minds,by the way to avoid the clan issue, how many of you in the page would agree with me if I say I will carry out a solid mafia style operation to assasinate all the clan based leaders in the entire somali community. And start fresh democratic Somali nation,that way people who are blaming the warlords for there past wounds would start afresh heeling procces. Sounds crazy, then lets forget the past and build the transitional gov't. |
| Anonymous | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:15 pm
DOUBLE d is that for doulble danger? brother i , for a person taught about it. i even thought about a plan to go to mogadishu and just do that by myself alla the day of the Jakal. it's really an easy plan. if we are very sophisticated enough and we have the determination to do it. eliminating all the warlord, the not retiring octogenarian politicians and their gang leader military personnel is a very viable solution to somali's problems. am sure we could find some kind of fatwa that will basically condone our actions. but we have to be inclusive. i am from Hamar and am willing to carry such action against the warlords of my tribe, the likes of AIDID JR. ATO, MUUSE, QANYARE and so on. but my question is who will be eliminating other warlords and gang leaders? people like EGAL, ABDULLAHI YUSUF, MORGAN, GABYOOW, MASALE, BIIHI, SHAATIGADUUD?
let's do that please. if we are sincere enough of rehabilitating our people and bring somalia back to its feet, then let's start kiiling these ruthless so called politicians and warlords. |
| Gheedi | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 04:30 pm
Salaamad All, reality on the ground ,we can do together easily conveying our massage to every community in Somalia without loss of life or minimum, to make riots and rally every mojor city in Somalia until the warlords and generals abide the peoples demands ,enough is enough either force them to work together or if possible to get rid off them... people of Somalia can and take back their Country....its the people of Somalia only can make their differences .and if that happen .1-Ethiopia has no business our borders 2-we will set especial committe to investigate carefully those who committed crimes and will be brought to justice. to all Somalians please let's work together we can make togher Differences .. Mr Mad Mac if you are here for crusade or holy war , we know better who the Ethiopians are and they very well aware who the Somalians are .very huge muslim commurnity in the region reagardless we know what we are fighting and at the end practically Ogaden will join Greater Somalia. All Somali's peace and love |
| MAD MAC | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 04:42 am
Gheedi
Re-read my post. I never indicated that the Ogaden should not rejoin Somalia. Indeed it seems inevitable that the political status of the Ogaden must transition to something that recognizes the desires of its population. The question is not whethe or not the Ogadens political status needs to be adjusted, the question is what the nature of this adjutment needs to be and how it should be achieved. Ethiopia has always been able to support a large population than the Sahel around it because the Ethiopian highlands are well watered, thus better supporting agriculture. A war with the peoples of the highlands is not the solution. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 06:56 pm
Madmac and Drwho are just same ppl lol,,you fucking somalistupid assess,,i can lead u wherever i want to,,you are all lowly stupid creatures who need leadership..
next time i will be hitler the wiper of somalis from da face of the earth.. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:43 pm
I'm pretty sure even the casual observer can see that I did not author the last post. But I thought I'd state it to make it official. |
