     Zakari | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 10:58 am
Hey,
I've just become a vegetarian. Are there any Somali vegetarians out there? Or is that an oximoron? My friends laugh at me when I tell them, if there is one thing Somalis can't live without it's...you guessed it! But Seriously with all the health concerns and for moral reasons, have you ever considered giving up meat?
Do you think you can live without it? |
| Triig | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 11:23 am
Zakari, I am a vegetarian by default cause I never have time to go to the xalaal meat stores and I hate going to the supermarket!! I live on roti iyo dalaac bilaash so I guess I am vegetarian huh I don't miss hilib, but I miss caano geel -suusac with lots of sugar and ice yummy! |
| EatRight | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 12:06 pm
You know I was thinking about becoming a vegetarian. But I have some questions to ask.
How do you get your body adjusted from not eating meats. As you know all that amino acids are still in your body ready to burn up the meat and if there is nothing for it to burn up it just accumulates in your stomach.
What type of approach did you use when you stopped eating meats? Did you have a plan or how ddid you start your new lifestlye?
Were there any problems that you encountered?
Any information would be helpful. |
| Anonymous | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 07:11 pm
Vegetarian!!
You got to be kidding me buddy,I'm garxajis which means am Hilibholic..if they take away hilib from me I die my friend..
VEggie's yaaaak |
| Cawo | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 08:09 pm
Hey folks, do you know if you forbid yourselves things that Allah (s.w) has made it Hallal for us, you'll be punished and may go to hell.
So be careful of what you doing, don't just do whatever you see western people doing, we've religion and Koran to flow!!
I think it's permissible if you've illneses or severe cases that wouldn't allow you to eat meat. However, am sure many amnong us know more than I do, and can kindly enlighten us about this issue.
Peace
Cawo |
| Anonymous | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:25 am
Isnt that an Oxymoron Somali and vegetarian in the same sentence. |
| McHahiil_formerly_kamal | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:38 am
Alahamdullillah celebecy was not made haraam or we all would go straight to hell...
I think, once you reach a higher plain of existance like that achieved by sufis, you can adhere to respecting all life as equal and 1 simple existing on the most basic forms of live that have no consiousness... but i am looking into the idea of plant consiousness and if that research is fruitfull then there will be total choas because then we won't be able to eat the plants that have self awareness!!!
What a dilema!!!
hmmmm i hope they are not consious for all our sake... |
| SPIKE_LUU | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:19 am
I AM AN INSECTARIAN. I EAT INSECTS AND THEY ARE SO NUTRITIOUS. I FIRST STARTED EATING INSECTS WHEN I WENT TO BURUNDI AND THEN IN NAIROBI. HERE IN AMERICA I FOUND SOME PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ENJOY AND EVERY NOW AND THEN , IN THE WEEKENDS I DO G TO THAT SPECIALTY RESTAURANT AND I HAVE MY FEAST THERE. YOU SHOULD ALL TRY THAT. COOKED AND BARBEQUED INSECTS ARE SO DELEICIOUS AND FULL OF PROTEIN. |
| Anonymous | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:30 am
cawo
do you know that you are an idiot? |
| MAFIAYOOSO | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:50 am
SOME PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITY HAD A SOMALI CONFERENCE AND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS WAS THIS GUY FROM MOGADISHU. HE WAS FUNNY AND COOL. HIS LECTURE WAS ABOUT HOW TO PACIFY OUR COUNTRY AND STOP THE SENSELESS BLOODSHED. YOU KNOW HE CAME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION. HE SUGGESTED THAT ALL SOMALIS TO STOP EATING MEAT AND BECOME VEGETERIANS.
HE SAID WILD BEASTS LIKE THE LIONS, TIGERS, HYENAS AND SO ON ARE CARNIVORS AND THEY ARE VIOLENT TO OTHERS. WHILE THE GIRRAFE, THE CAMEL, THE SHEEP, THE DER ARE ALL SO PEAEFUL AND NOT A TREAT TO OTHER WILDLIFE. HE SAID IF SOMALIS BECOME ERBIVORS THEY WILL FORGET ABOUT VIOLENCE.
THEN IN THE QUESTION PERIOD TIME SOME DUDE FROM GAALKACYO ASKED HIM? DO U WANT US TO BE LIKE THE INDIANS FRIM INDIA? HE SAID HE HAD A FIFGHT WITH TEN OF THEM AND HE BEAT THEIR ASSES. HE SAID THEY WAY THEY WERE FIGHTING WAS SO FUNNY THAT HE HAD TO LAUGH WHILE HE WAS PUNCHING THEM. THEN HE ADDED THEY FIGHT LIKE FAGGOTS. HE WENT ON SAYING I DON'T WANNA SEE A SOMALI BRO FIGHING LIKE THAT. IN CONCLUSION THE WHOLE PANEL SAID WE ARE BETTER OFF EATING MEAT COS THAT MAKES US GOOD WARRIORS AS WE ARE NOW. |
| Mercano | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:04 pm
Zakari,
I was once in London and watching a program on BBC, where some doctors were complaining about how they tell their patients stay away from potatoes, just to tell them at some later date, "Oh by the way new studies show that potatoes are good for you." Then in the U.S. we have Dr. Atkins saying stay away from the carbo's while Suzzane Summers of Three's Company has equal results while putting people on high carbo. All those that gave you advice above are true but partial in my opinion. The following is the approach of the Ulumas. There are certain rituals to be observed during the sacrifice of an animal for consumption. Among them is not to show the knife, not to preform infront of another animal that is to be slaughtered, cut the juggler vain for maximum blood drain, and the recitation, and evoking in the name of Allah, SWT, the creator of that animal. Animals unlike plants, they are able to harm, and this polution or what westerners call negative energy is carried spiritually by that animal. When you consume without the prescribed ritual, that negative energy is transferred to your body and therefore affects you hygenically, behavorially, etc. Also when western scientists test animal fat, they see the chlestorole, and what it can do to you. Then they claim, consume lean, non-fat, just to find out upon testing that it will just sit there and back to a different problem. Our Noble Seal of Prophets teach us to consume the fat and the red meat together, since we find it together, for balance. Perhaps the fattic acid is there to help your body digest the red meat. Who is the best of knowers the Creator or the Creation? It is a Devine Wisdom that it is found together by the Essence of Engineering. Why then are the Western scientists NOT testing them together? Hummm?
Kamal
Sufis, as you call them, refrain from the consumption of meat during seclusion, Khalwah, and become vegitarians. But once every forty days they must consume meat. Mystical ways deal with environments of spiritual polution and devine blessings.
Zakari and other concerned bros & sists, the western way is yet to learn wisdom, as for you, you may eat Halal, or sea food. But if you still chose to be vegetarians, Prophet, PBUH, prefered fish, so consider that and always say, BismiLLAH and the Kalimah before you consume any food. If the Kalimah can make a sinful Kaafir, like a new born baby, what about, a stake? If by the power of BismiLLAH, Nabi Musa, CS, could part the red sea, what about a lamb shank.
3x Shahadda, 3x Istiqfarrah, and Taxmiid, Give thanks to you Lord. |
| Basra | Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 03:55 pm
People ????
To be Vegetarian is not a Western thing? Godddd.Its only a personal diet choice.How ignorant can you be? I am Vegetarian.I choosed it for the soul purpose of DIET. looool
And maybe a little soft feeling for the poor animal slaughtered.lool Not to over shade My main reason to be Vegetarian...Its because of DIET.Meat is associated with all diseases.lool
Zakari Hi i am a member of your Vegetarian club nice to meet you! lool |
| Hibo | Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 04:53 pm
Why do I sense the presence of my health-freak-sister in here....?? Oh God.. basra...girl....wherever there is weird call....u surely never miss to respond....u a vegetarian....lol...Zakari...seriously nothing is wrong with being vegetarian... unless of course the rumors r true about vegism being the initial step in the process of vampire switch!!...That would definitely be scarry.....imagine Dracula walking down the streets at nite....oh GOd that means...no late nite parties.........shoot!! |
| EatRight | Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 05:01 pm
So if you are a vegetarian you will burn in hell?
Is that really written in the Quran?
How can people be so brain washed and be allowed to walk the streets?
The dumbest people are the most dangerous! |
| Honesita | Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 07:05 pm
Zakari..........good for ya brotha!!!
I can NOT eat vegies.......i always pick vegtables out of everything i eat......i know its good for me.......but i just can not put it in my mouth and feel normal about chewin' it.....ah!!!
lol
I have a question though.....when u say u r a real vegetarian.....does that mean u dont eat meat only....or anything that is animal product!!..Cuz that would include almost everything.....cheese...milk and all the other goodies....icecream too.!!
adios |
| Statistical | Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 02:23 am
MAFIAYOOSO lol... Who needs to fight man... make peace... not war.
Mercano. absalutly true... i read somewhere, herbs and vegis in this day-n-age are more carsinogenic... because they absorb the fertilisers that they spray on them to kill the insects off... so it is better to eat the animals hoping that the digestive system of these animals will absorb the chemical fertilisers....
another report said that the digestive system just serves to concentrate the chemicals and hence you are actualy eating contaminated meat... even more carsinogenic... blah blah blah...
Hey the insect too get sprayed so there is no safe food for consumbsion.... i heard someone saying seafood... guess what the chemicals eventualy wash down to the sea and contaminate the sea too...
Only clean source of food has to to be extratrestrail or bipedal not the ape type....
every considered canibalism??? i didn't think so!
Organic food is damn expensive... without any gurantee that it is save.
I can't wait till they invent a way to transfer the human consiousness into a pentium chip... or a neuralnetwork... we won't need to eat...
And we will be logged in 24/7 hehe...
Serious tho... anything that won't kill you will only make you stronger... eventually we will become imuin to everything... by 3001 |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar-Waryaa | Friday, February 16, 2001 - 08:07 pm
Salama...
Caawo {Xaawo} was absolutely right; so look around your climate before you attack her vitriously.
Here is a plain Aayat:
"And they say that such and such cattle and crops are taboo, and none should eat of them except those whom - so they say - We wish; further, there are cattle forbidden to yoke or burden, and cattle on which, (at slaughter), the
name of God is not pronounced; - inventions against God's name: soon will He requite them for their inventions." {6:138, The Cattle}
So, for your own sake, Allah created his animals for us, yes, for us alone. It is our own benefit to eat it. And we try not to say that that verse is not intended for us. It is addressed everyone in every particular time--be a Carab pagan at the time of the verse revealed or tonight that I am writing those words.
You cannot say I do not want to eat this thing, while it is absolutely Xalaal, a pure Xalaal thing. But, of course, they're exeptional cases. Such as if you are ill, or allergic to it. Or something that relates to it.
But, being healthy and trying not to eat what Allah {S.W.C.} made for you Xalaal is non-sense.
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Nabadeey!! |
| Cawo | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 12:00 am
Miskiin;
Thanks for your endorsment. These people don't listen, they just talk. And I knew there are people like you out there, who will tell them the truth however unappreciable it's on their side.
So folks are you still practicing MUSLIM or you are Vegetarian? choose one of them on the light of the verses from Cattle.
Oh, Allah save our poor soules
Cawo |
| Anonymous | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 05:32 am
Are you a Muslim or a Vegetarian? Choose one?
O.k I can't stop laughing.
You people are drunk on religion! |
| Msis | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 06:10 am
hey,hey
what we have here?
Listen all Shiiks....I am One Feet a way from VEge Society.... I believe Being Vegetarian is nothing to do Halal or Haram....it is personal choice due to their Diet....Ok Meak is Halal for Us....but what if you don,t like it? there is too many risk Animal eating to day....They Contiminate the Originalty....How about all the the (Mad Cow diseases)? and now..Mad sheep diseases are on the Talk... I belive Allah (swt) Created the most useful Food,fruit and Vegetable as He(swt) mention the Quran Many Times.....But he also give us choice what we have to eat or not......So when some body became a Vegetarien it is All Personal Choice...Cuz Allah knows your reasons....and anyway, there is not much Organic Meat around....Good luck all Vegiez
peace& Love |
| Cawo | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 11:40 am
Anony;
To see us as drunk on religion, you must be drunk on something - probably not tastefull than religion. Is it Hallal? I don't know...if, bring your reasoning (Haatil burhaanak?)
Msis;
My sister let me be your saviour. Before you join that mainly Kufaar society, first read and refer to your Kuran and join your Muslim society. Then, you'll have the choice to either erase your skepticals and eliminate the devil to savely claim your Muslimhood, or let the devil over-run you and be a society with likes of Elen Degenerate. It is your choice
Like Allah said (s.w.t)in Suratul cattle as our bro enlightened us, meat is solely created for us.
Why you shouldn't thankfull??? Oh, Allah, how dare could I say to you NO THANKS.
Don't be fooled by the gimmicks of organic producers and veg. & cereals farmers. If cereals and vegs are complete diets East Asians wouldn't have changed their diets drastically. In early last century Japanese consumed about the same amount of meat that Ireland did at that same period. where now they consume as much meat as Irelan, UK, France and Netherland. While their male height average was 166cm, they do average now 176cm; a staggaring 10cm gain - by far the highest increase in any nation in the world. Well, the world knows they owe many thanks to Americans and their humbergurs.
So do you get the picture sister? Nutritionally speaking, we know meat has (beef) at least 10 of the twenty essential amino acids (aas). If you eat all the varieties of fruit avialable you'll still miss tyrosine and methonine aas, if I'm not mistaken - two vitally important aas for the body to do complete biochemical functions. I can't write list them now, but I remember heaps of biochemical deficience or diseases associated with diet based solely on vegis and fruits. Well, although there are advantages implicated on veg. diet over meat diet, namely cancer and heart attack. Still there's no argument that meat diet is superior to non-meat diet.
I can't emphazise any more, the importance of thinking twice before joining Animal Activists. Yes, you know them, those who continuesly deny the verses of Allah. If you really ask them why they don't eat meat. They always say, most of them to you, it's barbaric and inhuman to eat meat. Their answer to why, is merely they believe. They are so clung to their believes, that you can't change them. Aha, you see, it's become religion for them. They worship and respect their believes. There comes my question; why are we happy to join these people whom one of them came up with idea or the religion, may I call it, in the first place, and abandon our century and half old Koran and our beloved religion which praises itself the most growing and respected society membership..maasha Allah and Al-xamdu Lilaah.
Therefore, brothers and sisters, please watch out what you doing. As long as you can read, try to carefully study about the society you're about to join. No one is gonna force you physically, but definetly they'll try to get better of you. And it all comes down how aware you're.
Thanks folks for letting me share with you my knowledge in this topic.
If you happen not to remember anything from the above.
PLEASE DO REMEBER THIS;
ALLAH (s.W.t) SAID "WALAA TUHARIMUU MA AHLALAAHU LAKUM". sadaga laahu cadiim. Meaning, And don't forbid yourselves what I made Halaal for you.
Yes, that would have got the message across in the first instant, if we are wise enough!!
-DON'T FORBID YOURSELVES WHAT I MADE HALLAH FOR YOU!! Allah said.
----And I say; Wa bilaahi towfiiq.
Cawo |
| Cawo | Saturday, February 17, 2001 - 12:02 pm
Msis;
One more comment on your say, I wouldn't have worried Mad-Cow disease which there's less than 100 human form Mad-Cow disease cases.
If I were you I would rather worry breast cancer, a global killer cancer form implicated to be associated with diet. But, again does either of these diseases earn me excuse to disobey Allah and his words? I swear neither
Allah bless us,
Cawo |
| Anonymous | Sunday, February 18, 2001 - 07:38 am
Miskiin & Cawo,
Meat is halal according to Islam, no one is saying it is not. But are you saying that it is haram not to eat it?
Do you really believe that by not eating beef I am committing a sin?
Personally I think you should maybe check if the larger Muslim community have reached a consensus on this practice. Because you may be committing haraam yourselves by distorting Islam and interpreting the verses in light of your personal opinion- and then preaching it to the world.
So why don't you get the facts straight and then get back to us. |
| Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar-Waryaa | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 07:54 am
Salama...
Caawo {I believe it is meant Xaawo, perhaps -)}:
Sister, keep uplifting their eyes to the core of the Light--the Light of Faith.
Anon., the Last:
Every Muslim concurs meat is absolutely Xalaal. So, you and I do know that. No question. But, we are trying to enlighten and elucidate, not that we are forcing them to do. We have no 'fatwas' absolutely. We are trying to do our best, our best that we do know about this subject so far. Without intention of any kind to mislead our brothers and sisters.
Let me ask to those brothers who are obstaining from any source of meat--and I presume they are practising Muslims--would you wish to go to the Xaaj? To perform one of your five Duties? Ever in your lifetime?
If you are gesturing to mean yes, then I assume you wouldn't participate on the Day of Sacrifice.
Noo, noo!! You were a vegetarian, remember?
Well, then I assume your Xaaj wouldn't be thorough unless you do perform that ritual well so. And I hope you will do that day or any other day.
After all, here is the pertaining question of what the Scholars had said as you asked us to cite any reliable consensus about this issue.
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Question:
I'm vegain {vegatarian}, I mean I do not eat any meat product or dairy from milk , eggs, cheese , or honey , any think that have to do with animal I just I don't eat it, and the thing that I like the religion of the Islam I would like to be a part of it , so my question can I be a Muslim and still don't eat meat and animal product ? Thank you so much.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Yes, you can be a Muslim without eating these animal products {do not try to smile, you vegetarians, YET}, but you need to be aware of the following:
You should not think that these things are Xaraan (forbidden), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):
"O you who believe! Make not unlawful the tayyibaat (all that is good as regards foods, things, deeds, beliefs, persons, etc.) which Allaah has made lawful to you, and transgress not. Verily, Allaah does not like the transgressors." [Al-Maacidah, 5:87]
"Say: who has forbidden the adornment with clothes given by Allaah, which He has produced for His slaves, and al-tayyibaat [all kinds of lawful things] of food? Say: they are, in the life of this world, for those who believe, (and) exclusively for them (believers) on the Day of Resurrection (the disbelievers will not share them). Thus We explain the aayat (Islamic laws) in detail for people who have knowledge." [Al-Acraaf, 7:32]
"Say: Tell me, what provision has Allaah sent down to you! And you have made of it lawful and unlawful. Say: Has Allaah permitted you (to do so), or do you invent a lie against Allaah?" [Yoonis, 10:59]
You should not think that it is better to abstain from these foods, or that doing so will be rewarded, or that a vegetarian is closer to Allaah than others, and so on. It is not permitted to draw closer to Allaah in this way. The Prophet {S.C.W.}, who is the best of mankind and the closest to Allaah, used to EAT MEAT and drink milk and honey. When one of his Companions wanted to give up meat, he told him that this was WRONG {absolutely WRONG, my words}. Anas reported that there was a group of the Companions of the Prophet {S.C.W}, one of whom said, "I will never marry women”; another said, "I will NOT eat meat"; another said, "I will not sleep on a bed"; and another said, "I will fast and never break my fast." News of this reached the Messenger of Allaah {S.C.W.}. He praised and thanked Allaah, then said: "What is wrong with the people who are saying such and such? I pray and I sleep; I fast and I break my fast; and I marry women. Whoever deviates from my Sunnah (way of life) does not belong to me." (Reported by Al-Nisaa’i; the story is also to be found in the two Saxiixs of Al-Bukhaari and Muslim).
There is a great difference between not eating a certain kind of food because one does not like it, or it does not agree with one, or one has been put off--for example by seeing an animal slaughtered when one was a child, which may leave one with a distaste for meat--and other similar reasons, and thinking that meat is haraam and that abstaining from it is an act of worship, as is done by Brahmins, monks and others who are misguided.
Once this matter is clear in your mind, there is nothing wrong with not eating foods that you do not like. We will be happy to welcome you soon as our sister {that is, the questionnaire} in Islam. We ask Allaah to give you the strength to do good and to protect you from every evil. Allaah is the One Who guides to the Straight Path.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
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Nabadeey!! |
| Cawo | Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 12:52 am
Mikiin:
My brother thanks for everything first. My name is Cawo, and to my suprice it seems not familier enough, or is it?
Cawo, is one of the oldest most traditional names of Somali females. In English my father wrore as Awo and I believe it's correct.
Se ya |
