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     | Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 09:59 pm the otha day i was in the bus on my way to university. as i sat there minding my own business, a white man aged 40-50 came to me and said hello and good morning. i replied politely and went back to minding my own business. he then asked where i was from and because some ppl dont know of Somalia, i said africa, he said yes i know that, lol, where in africa?i replied by saying east africa, he said yes i know because east african ppl r beautiful. i didnt c where he was getting at so i didnt reply to which country exactly, but of course he went on to ask which country. i finally told him Somalia. and it was his response that shocked me "isnt that the place where they r killing each otha". at first i was angry although i didn't show it because i was thinking how dare he insult my country and ppl. but then i began to feel sad because i knew the truth of his words. i was so heart broken as if reality just hit me. i continued to be silent. and he continued saying wat he couldnt believe more than anything was that somali women and their children were in the west trying to rebuild their lives, but the stupid thing they do is bring ova "the men who r killing their brothere", anotha stab in the heart. of course i didnt respond because i was still in shock, he then said "somali men r dogs!!!", "r u going to marry a dog?". i tried to explain to him that not all somali men were the same, but i must say his words really stung. i couldnt believe that a white man who didnt seem that bright, had realised this and we somali ppl r still killing each otha. i wonder wen will we wake up and save our country and ppl.
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| | Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 10:39 pm The White-man maybe old man but he knows how to bick up boolo? tell us what happened after.............
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 07:16 am AMATULLAH I would have respected you if you left the story as it was. But you had to add in that part"somalimen are dog's"was it killing you to spell it out. Don't hide behind a white freak to express your most inner thoughts about somali male's. You are the ones who make us fight,kill each other it's you women the main cause of war and conflicts between men,without you men can live in peace.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 07:35 am Please bro. The reason why the world is still functioning is because US WOMEN are the ones who keep everything in an orderly state. With out WOMEN YOU definitely would not be here!!!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 07:55 am In indoneshia 303 were killed and then eaten, i wonder why the news showed little interest in it... In the UK a kids lost his eyes and a hand when a bomb blowup in his face. There are sh*ty things happening every where far wost then, what is happening in somalia... don't you remember the central africa thing where people got chopped up to pieces... What is most redicules to me is the ignorant people in our community who have no self respect or knowledge to defend their bloody butts in the heat of the moment. I need to have plastic surgery to change my appearance... these defenceless somalie smake me sick... why could you not just say you are Indian that way he would just ignore you! Why could you not point out the barbarica past of his people the blancos are the worst muders in the history of man... talk about getting some people educated before you allow them to wear a somali face! take it off you foooooool. Coming here and telling us your life's stinky collections... who's fault is it if your large fore head has writen on it... sh*t on me with verbal disgust... why could you not salp the f8cker in the face and scratch his eyes out... Why can you somali females only pull eachother's hair out? Damn Damn Damn Lame people representing my nation we should exterminate these fools cut their tongues off before they insult the nation any further!!! Don't ever say you are somali again you HABASHI ANJEERO ... getout of here
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:00 am Bad2theBone.....i dont think she was tryin' to hide behind a white dude......i honestly believe what she said cuz i heard it so many times from black pple and west africans......... Where i work there r a lot of somali women......'most' guys come there and work for a week or 2 then leave......but the women r always there working........one west african brotha told me once......Somali men no good....somali men very weak...they want thier woman to do everything and they sleep........somali men no good......i was so pissed and told him u senegali pple no good.....u senegali pple....but i didnt know what to add......so i just said be quiet....u dont know all somali men.....but then he said i work with a loooot of them at my other job...they r weak......what could i say......i just shut my self up and walked away......i knew i had nothin' to add...... And another Palistinean friend of mine...we were kinda dissin' each others oneday and i told him u pelestinians let JEWISH pple humiliate u, take ur land and kill u guys.......and then he said at least i dont kill my own brotha....he meant somaliis killing each others..!! I've seen so many pple dissin' somali men walaahi.....and they were somaliis and non somaliis.....i really dont know why.......but the truth is.......pple have the wrong idea of somali men..!! So r ya'll gonna work on makin' ur reputation better..... adios
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:23 am honesista, i dont think thats wrong idea,i think thats the real truth,and it hurts to hear it esp from a foriegner.We,all somalis, have heard everynow and then.it is only somalis to blame. Bad2thebone, you said it is women`fault??how??i dont see any female warlord or mooryaan?? oh i gotcha! you meant women encouraged you men to fight? may be you ment thru their 'buraanbur'.if it is soo,that just proves how dummy,narrow minded somali men r! but i didnt know som men listening to their wives let alone whole women! bro dont just throw words!this debate if you know what it means??
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:28 am dheere, the topic isnot about if the white guy wanted to pick her up or not. read it again and if you get the what it is ,then post your opinion.may be your nick should have been 'dhoorre'.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:45 am honesista, You know that's not true.These people want to make you feel bad about yourself by insulting your men.Somalis are more active than other Africans.....That's what i hear from people.Every one i know tells me that you guys are different.You guys are natural born entrepreneurs.Wherever Somalis go they start businesses, they start new activities. Tell me all those new businesses sprawling every where in Minnesota are all owned by Somali women.These people made the money here, they worked hard for it.Or do u think they all won the lottery sis?.There are so many Somali men in America who are highly educated, successful and smart.Nowadays in every city you find so many Somali professionals in every field.Guys you need to use common sense.....Or you just count those kids who hang around the streets.Every community has a few of those......beleive me you won't see the real Somali men(hard working, smart, successful around those street corners). Open your eyes instead of beleiving those bastards who want to put Somali brothers down. I admit that many of the problems faced by Somalia are caused by Somali men......but they are by no means as bad as you have been l3ed to beleive..............When foriegners tell you that your men are bad........they are in a way telling you that you are all bad.........they are putting you down..........But that's not the truth.The truth is we have problems(major ones), but don't beleive everything you hear from others...
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:57 am Minn man, bro lets get off the topic!!we r talking about foriegners reaction when you say "i am Somali" !! we r talking about ppl reaction To conditions in Somalia! we r not talking about if/how/when/where somali men succeeded!we r not comparing gender success either. Amatuallah and honesita didnt mention about those somali loosers around the corner . So lets get off the boat.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:14 am I for one don't believe this story...no one can bluntly associate a country with "men being dogs". I refuse that analogy. Again, I feel that this lady, who for some reason, can't express her own "beef" against her fellow somali men, had to fabricate a "prejudice" story to enlighten us of her inner conflict with somali pple and Somalia as a whole. these are my beliefs and if this story would have been true(if)...I know for a fact that an educated(university student as she refers herself to be)somali lady would have answered defensively even if what he was saying holds some truth for her....
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:28 am Anonymous, Are u blind? Or you can't read between the lines....that's what converstaion is about....It means Somali men are losers....that's what the foriegners are telling these women.....And it's the first time i ever heard that foriegners said that Somali men are loser.I was expecting them to say atleast that Somali men are open about their feeling s and are kindo tight up something along those lines.......but not they are dogs...or good for nothing...
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:50 am You Somali-women what are we going to do with ya!? Honesta,Come on girl,can't figure out,why, a west-African is hating on Somali-men!it is you girl,he hates us cause we have pretty women,I heard it from them so many times............They also think Somali-men are racist.(who cares!!) Come on wouldn't you be jealous of Somalis and their appearance if you were a west-African? ........I had this guy a black American who worked with me,me and the manager were joking around oneday when that white-man said to me;Mohammed where are from I said proudly Somalia,as any ignorant American would ask he said;and where is Somalia located at?....I said it's located on the horn of africa.He then laughed and replied Africa you are not African!! He pointed his fingers at another west African guy from Gambia and said;he is from Africa not you,you don't look like an African,you features resemble those of a white-man,a soft hair texture,straight nose.......That other African dude was so pissed.He said Somalis are not Africans.......I said to him;We have this piece of land we call Somalia and it's in Africa wether you like it or not! I get along with the white folks in my daily life than with Africans or other blacks. FYI west Africans or the Bantus are the laziest people on earth look at African-Americans,they hate working,they number 50%of the jail population in the US of A. Where I live Somalis are the hardest working of any minority group.They even write it in the local paper,white people like employing Somalis instead of other blacks cause Somalis work very hard and stick to their jobs,I don't know where you got your inaccurate information from!? ..........Somali-men are the hardest working Africans,at my work place they always choose me over a black dude because he is lazy.I treat others with respect,Somali-men do business unlike west Africans,Somali-men work two jobs,So leave Somali-men out of your lame excuses lady.FIND SOMETHING ELSE. Go to any state and show me a shop or a place which is owned by west-Africans. You I don't hate them,I just don't like it when Somali-girls spread lies and rumors about their country-men for the sake of getting to know an outsider,you like west-Africans? Fine,just don't use us Somali-men as a ladder. I realize we screwed up back home,but if it wasn't for you women and your support we wouldn't be able to go that far,lets face it we are both guilty of the crime.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:51 am Minn man, it is you who didnt get the point. just coz the white said somali men r dogs doesnt mean they r dogs!and that wouldnt make them all loosers.and he didnt refer to somalis in US, he meant somalis who r fighting back home! the whole point is problems in somalia,and Yes we do have problem there. it is the typical reaction we all get when we meet a foriegner and say i am somali! but its not every foriegner says somali men r dogs!(it is just one man`s words). Soomaali waxay ku maahmaahdaa; "Ri` walba shilalkey is dhigto ayaa lagu qalaa" marka innagaa u sabab ah inay ajaaanib walba na caayo xitaa kuwa naga liita. busdriver, only Allah knows if she is making it up or not(lots of somalis do that).you r right it is not that easy someone refer to other ppl dogs! but then we cant know wether or not it is fiction story, so we r here only to exchange our opinions. you said educated somali lady would ve answered defensively, bro how?? well yeah for start saying our men r NOT dogs!and praise them, but then you cant defend problems in somalia and how messed up things re.you said even if he saying the truth?? so should one go to the extend of lying?? God forbid!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:56 am Anon, I really don't know waxaan kuugu jawaabo.Waa mar adiga kulama aanan hadlayn , mida kale muran ayaad lasoo taagan tahay... honesista miyaanay odhan...waana hadalka aan ka jawaabayey anigu, sidan "Where i work there r a lot of somali women......'most' guys come there and work for a week or 2 then leave......but the women r always there working........one west african brotha told me once......Somali men no good....somali men very weak...they want thier woman to do everything and they sleep........somali men " Hadalku xagee kaa dhaafaa.....waryaa ala yaqaan iyo umadiisa..........war hadalkan ayaan anigu ka jawaabayey.Gabadhanina waxay u egtahay inay North America joogto.....
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:26 am CADAAN MABA KA HADLI KARO XUMAAN WAAYO GERMANY SCOND WORLD WAR DAD ISUGU JIRA CARUUR IYO MAATO AYEEY FOORNO GALIYEEN.SOUTH AFRICA FIIRI WAXAY KU SAMEEYEEN. ALGERIA OVER 1000,000 PEOPLE AYAA FRANCA DISHAY,VIATNAM IN KA BADAN 3 MILLION AYAA AMERICA DISHAY. AFGHANISTAN OVER 3 MILLION AYAA RASSIA DILEEN. CHECHNYA WAXAAY KA DILEEN 14% OF ITS POPULATION IN ONE YEAR 1996.NIN CAD YAANUU MALAA'IG ISAGA KIIN DHIGIN.IF I KEEP WRITE WHAT WHITE PPL DID OR DOING RIGHT NOW MANY PEOPLE WILL CRY AND BE SHOCKED. SO THE MOST EVIL PPL IN THIS WORLD ARE WHITE. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU OR MAKE YOU FEEL SHAME ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. OFCOURSE THE CIVIL WAR IN SOMALI IS AGAINIST OUR RELIGION. IT IS SHAME THAT MUSLIMS KILL EACH OTHER BUT THAT EVIL WHITE MAN HAS NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT SOMALIA IN THAT WAY OR SAY SOMALI MEN ARE DOGS. I WOULD SAY TO HIM IF I WERE YOU, WHITE MEN ARE PIGS.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:27 am IF SOMALI MEN ARE DOGS WHITE MEN ARE PIGS.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:32 am go and sleep with him, and let him suck your dirty pussy, pitch. naagahan ceytamaya baan la yaabanahay. somali men dont need kintirless somali woman. the white man used an effective strategy to lure you and he succeeded by laying you down,pitch. shukaansiga wajiyo badan buu leeyahay. we do too. and tell many fake stories. you have the heart of posting this message, cause somali men didnt notice ye and arent interested in you. get a life pitch. i have a better women 4 20 bucks who fucks nice and who holds nothing back, she gives me her best shot, •••• get a life hoe, and to the rest of the ppl who concur with this pitch, you are losers cause you all seem to be losers born losers, realy i am a proffessional who earns more tha you all earn and an executive, all that at the prime age of 27. Dont then tell me i am a dog or my fellow country men are dogs just because of one drunken bastard who wanted to lay you down said it.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:43 am Somaalida waxa la rabaa in la burburiyo sida African Americans ka loo burburiyey....exactly sidii oo kale....and Somali women are falling for the trap....Hadii raga iyo dumarka laysku diro that's it.....way u dhamaatay bulshadaa..... A few bithes oo Somali ah ayaa college galay oo Diploma soo qaatay waxana lagu yidhi waad ka fiicantihiin naaga ha kale ee soomaalidu idinku waxa tihiin liberated.......gabdhihii kalena waay baabi'iyeen..........we are doomed in the west Soomaalieyey waxana ina baabi'inaya naagahaa Soomaaliyeed ee caqliga xun.......een wax kale oqoon nika Soomaaliyeed waa sidan mooyee.....waxaanay ogeyn se nimanka kale sida ay naagohooda u galaanEvery year in America intaas oo naagood ayaa nimankooda nafta ka gooyaan........laakiin doqonta Soomaalidu waxaa ma oga Jamaican bay gaal ka aragtay intii uu wiigii ugu horeyey(before he whipped her ass) uu u sheegey bay kaga dhegantahay.......... Ilaahow noo gargaar......
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 11:06 am Reality respect to you man. Deabate is a good thing especially when people come out clean,and state their clear intentions...........in this case those Somali girls AMATULLAH and Honesta are a clear example. I will tell you why; AMATULLAH,She could have spoken about Somalia and the damage Somali-men(supposedly alone)have done to the country,But instead she choice to use a white man's mouth to insulate Somali-men,A white man would have said ;WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING? not Somali-men are dogs(this is a term used widely between females). Honesta,She came out with a fabricated story about a west-african and lousy Arabs' in her work place. Baseless accusations Girls just say it,spell it out............say you love Jamaicans and west-Africans.........a woman with dignity wouldn't choice a lazy ass west-African over a Somali man. Allah maxaa dhakh nabiga baratay(ask someone else to translate this for you since Somali-women don't speak any Somali nowadays). ka baxay
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 11:29 am MN Man is right about not listening to the outsiders even though what they say may be technically right, like clan wars, that stuff. I think I saw that 50 year old man in different setting. This time though he was drunk. It was last summer and I was doing research about the Structural Adjustment Programs of the IMF and World Bank and how they effect the economies of Sub-Saharan Africa. After tiring hours of research at Library, I decided to have a quick break. I was on my way home and thinking about what I have read,organizing my thoughts, when all sudden this fat white guy turns to two somalis who were sitting in front of him,just two seats away and says " You guys should speak English, this is not Mogadishu, this is America" The attention of the half-full bus suddenly turned to this new drama, including mine. At first blurt the couple just ignored him as though nothing had happened. Then the drunk man charged it agian " You guys should learn English". I was tempted to say " would you pay the fee" Agian the couple did not respond. I realized what was going on, the couple did not speak English at all. Now I jumped in, partly to save the couple, but mainly to spoil the drunk man's immenant victory. In calm vioce I said " Language is functional and there is no inherent quality in any language" He looked at me and said "I am not talking to you" I told him he was drunk and he needed to shut up. Now he started to open up on me as though I was his shrink " My nineteen year-old son was shot and dragged in the streets of Mogadishu........." After few more blurts now and then he quiet it down and we went our separate ways. Even if we give him the benefit of doubt that his son was killed in Somalia, it is still not clear to me what is that has to do with this refugee couple? Someone could argue he was drunk, like someone in the bus did. But why did he not rob a bank or shoot someone? He knew exactly what he was doing. The general point I am trying to make is even though some statements are true,like Somali men killing one another, still we should not listen outsiders. Next time, if they ask you anything about Somalia, ask them " Why do you care? If you get reasonable answer then it is your choice to proceed. I am really disappointed that some Somalis are afraid to say who they are. Why do you have to say I am from Africa, East Africa, then Somalia. Say it I AM FROM SOMALIA. This is a classic lesson for Somali kids who are running away from their culture and when questioned about their Identity cannot give simple answer. I feel sorry for them. Where are you from? I am from AFRIIIKAA? Are you from Zimbabwe? No little bit closer,but to the north. Tanzania? You are closer, just skip one country to the north. Oh, do you mean Somalia. Yes, yes soomaaliya.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 11:46 am Durgal you are a Somali hero,one day I met this white man and he was asking me about Somalia I said;Somalia is home to me,he said;yeah but you live in America you have more chances here than back home! it's true but Home is were your heart is I replied he said I would love to visit it someday,you see if you stand up for your country and people others will respect you.AMATULLAH let that old white man walk all over her and she's blaming it on Somali-men as if we created the world!!!!! This is what am talking about,we don't have hung our dirty laundry for the foreigners to see. AMATULLAH&Honesta or Hibo were aiming at Somali-men. I'm Somali always been always will be,when I meet white or blacks I give them the same answer. Now WHY ARE SOMALI-WOMEN ASHAMED of their culture and men! Why are they trying to glorify losers and compare them to Somali-men? As long Somali-men live Somalia is safe,let them take the sellouts we don't need them either.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:05 pm bad2thebone, bro check your last paragraph! "As long Somali-men live Somalia is safe" see anything wrong with it?? thats where you r wrong,there is no safety in Somalia.say we gonna defend when ppl say bad things but that sentence about safety is wrong! by the way hibo and honesita r different in case u cant tell,it will have to be spelled out for you. Minn
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:09 pm minn at the bottom of my last posting,i was about to reply to him but dont have time. it s not minn man wrote last posting. Peace
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:18 pm My goodness......why is it when we somali girlz mention the name of a NON-somali man we r automatically sleeping with him and prefering him over our Somali brotha.......Bad2thebone.....ur name says it all.....i thought for a second i can understand where u comin' from......and i would have accepted what u said......but diss me.......thanx walaalo......!! Minn.Man......brotha i know all that and more is true about somali pple and somali men.......and i know West africans dont come near......the reason why i told ya'll the story was to show u what foriegns think of US.......i know west africans dont like somalis......they even say it to us somali girlz at work.....they tell us somali pple r racist.....and then they say we wanna merry a somali girl........i can understand its all hate and stuff.........but for goodness sake why hate....that is what i dont understand..........there is no way i believe somali men r lazy..........cuz those somali guys that were leaving the job were actually getting a better job with a higher pay.....or goin' to school........those africans r actually working there all the time and do nothing else.....!! And then i dont see why do u mind if Anon tried to tell u what she thought of what u said.....this is a discussin' page and anyone can comment on what u said....regardless if it was bein' said to them or to anyone else....right brotha.,.!! Anonmous.........i really like the way u r debatin'...........  Mudug.....u said it all bro........pple r hatin' on us cuz we r really special...... I know somaliis have mistakes here and there.....but the reality is that we r all that and more..........we r beautiful....we got strong women.....we got men that r smart and have dignity.....kibirkana wuu naga batay even though we r refugees.....we r smart and adapt languages and cultures easily........its true we have some lousy somaliis......but i'm sure they dont represent us all......... Salaamz
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 12:26 pm i always hear from other people why are you guys killing each other but they do not mention somaliman. let's be honest markuu dagaalka socday yaa durbaanka tumayey?. somali women are not blameless they did their share of killing.and how can you let west african or arab,or white insult them. tell them that they are the best even if they are not.there are many things that i do not like them(somaliman) but no one can say that they are dogs!!! or weak at least we all know that they are not weak and because of that they have problems. "honesita and amatuallah these guys wanted to say somali people men and women are dogs,weak and good for nothing" so the least thing that you could do was defend your own people.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:26 pm Honesista: You have revealed yourself to be the ultimate munaafiq that I always suspected you to be. You and Aamatul-shaydaan are silly girls with tremendous self-hatred and low self-esteem problems that you need to work out. Honesista in particular!! You have to know she is one of the most dishonest people around just by the way she makes a great fetish of her Honesty by calling herself honest. Let us be the judge of your honesty and as far as I can see you are batting 0.000 you stupid whore. Aamatul-Shaydaan: You should have finished the story by telling us how you got down between his legs and sucked him off. And perchance did you swallow? Somali women make me sick. Coming in here and repeating chapter and verse what the assholes monkeys and white devils who stick a dick in every hole of your body and repeating it to us. Don't come in here and think you can make me feel guilty or bad about what is happening in Somalia. It is real men who are fighting for a true and just government to be established. Nothing short of that ideal will do for us. If you are monkey African maybe you can keep on keepin on under horrible injustice! Not a true noble Somali. GIVE US LIBERTY AND JUSTICE AND EQUALITY AND GOOD GOVERNMENT OR NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL!!!! That is what being Somali is all about. Nobility of character and indomitability of spirit. The shrewd foreigners however have finally found the Somali man's achiles heel. Our bigest weakness. THE SOMALI WOMAN They go to a Somali woman and whisper into her ear that the Somali man is not upto the job and presto you have civil war of the genders. They don 't have the gumption of what people are doing to them. After all there is only half a brain at work here. So Dishonesista: next time one of your slave monkey boys tells you Somali men are weak, tell him that we are not designed for Slave work. You see the Slave monkeys are like the stupid donkey and mule that uncomplainingly and mindlessly will the heaviest and spirit-sapping of drudgery. That is what they are built for. Allaah has brought down the donkey and the West African slave monkeys and their descendants everywhere to be beasts of burden. Also tell them that My grandfather used to sell his people to the Arabs. AamatulShaydaan: After you wiped the White man's cum from your mouth, why didn't you ask him how many poeple died in the white man's wars in the last century. You were probably too busy going for second helpings you fucking whore!!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:28 pm Moodyeee: well said
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:29 pm Ninxoon where are you. we need you to set these whores straight
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:37 pm Yes and I forgot. Dishonestbitch: Ask your WEst African Orgy sexmates(or are you maybe one of the lesbians who fled Bosaso): Aske them if they can call their villages back home from the comfort of their living room. Somalia without a govenrment is streets ahead of every country in West Africa in so many respects. Once we get the security situation set and establish a government of the people not that cankered mishmash imposed on us by colonialists, a true Somali government, based on Islam and Somali culture then watch out. But you and your polluted kind will not be allowed in.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:45 pm The war of the sexes is developing even to higher domains. Anyway, what do we have here ?. A simple fact quoted from a white man, probablly a drunken one who asserted to one of our fellaz that we --the men --are dogs. That is iit, simple. Now let us analyse this statement. What premises are given to support this staement? None. " "Isnt tht the place they are killing each other" supports none of the main argument that somali men are dogs. America had had its civil wars too. Unlike somali men, they were never called dogs. A plausible argument is an argument wich is based with strong premises that support its conclusion. The mere fact that we are fighting doesnt qualify one to deduce the baseless conclussion that we are dogs. Any way, i dont wanna go deeper into the logical arguments but what has really attracted my attention is the so-called intellectual somalians here in this room if there is any who really get sweeped by these sentiments and arguments. Before you respond to any argument, see if it is any argument at all, and what you can contribute. Even if you hate it, let it be, respect the person who posted it. The war of the sexes is really breeding and all that is seen in this forium is men attacking the characters of women and vice versa.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:48 pm I was gonna say something, but everything I wanna to say MN man said it all. So I am just gonna ask you bro we organizing a young som ppl that have a high morals like you, and trying share some ideas if you are really interested you can contact us either me or durgal. later mahdi
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:51 pm Naagaba dhankii loo rogiyo dhinac ma diidaane Dhedigaanshahaa lagu arkiyo dhiiga caadada e Haddayan dhiilka caana a lahayn laguma dhaarteene Cali Dhuux Poet and Philosopher
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:04 pm you insulted your mother and all your female relatives,xoogsade since they are somaliwoman too.ogoow waxwalba ood samayso abaalka hooyadaa inaadan gudi karin,meeshaad xushmayn lahayd baad ugu dartay inaad caydo ood daliil usoo qaadato gabay xuna sidii inuu xadiith yahay. guys i can not understand that why do you insult them whenever a somali girl says something and call her slut, whore etc. those girls though i do not agree they just qouted something so instead of insulting them why do not you all follow min man as an example.kaalay maxaad tihiin dictator qofna afka makala furi karo.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:19 pm OUR BELOVED PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM SAID..SEEK KNOWLEDGE! I GUESS WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR SISTERS IN A WAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT FALL TO THE TRAPS ALREADY LAID FOR THEM. I AM NOT A WOMEN BASHER NOR A CHAUVINIST BUT MOST SOMALI SISTERS MATURE LATE MENTALLY AND THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS AND THINKING COMES TO WHEN THEY REACH AT THE AGE OF 35 AND BEYOND. YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF SISTERS WHO DEGRADE THEMSELVES IN VERY DESPICABLE WAYS. YOU WILL SEE SOME SOMALI SISTERS WHO HAVE PARANOIA AND PHOBIA ABOUT THEIR PEOPLE. YOU WILL SOME SOMALI SISTERS WHO SELL OUT. THEN THERE IS THIS NORM AND MENTALITY BOUT SOMALI SISTERS. MOST OF THEM HAVE LESS SKILLS AND WORK IN RETAIL SHOPS OR THEY ARE GOING TO SOME PARTIME COURSE IN A COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THEN THEY ALL THINK THAT IS EDUCATION.THEY ALL TEND TO SPEAK SOME BROKEN ENGLISH. THE OTHER THING IS THEIR OUTRAGEOUS INTERACTION WITH FOREIGNERS. SOMALI SISTERS PLEASE, PULL YOURSELF TOGATHER, BE LIKE YOUR MOTHERS WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE BACKBONE OF THE SOMALI NATION. BE CULTURED AND PLEASE DON'T SHAME US ALL. I AM BEGGING YOU BECOUSE YOU ARE MY SISTES AND I LOVE YOU ALL ! AGAIN PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS I AM DISRESPECTING YOU FOR WALAAHI I AM PROUD OF BEING SOMALI AND LOVE ALL SOMALIS BUT WHEN I SEE SOME SISTERS DOING UNISLAMIC CHEAP AND THINGS THAT IS DISRECTIFUL..IT REALLY HURTS ME. I WORK WITH A LOT OF FEMALES WHITE AND BLACK BUT THEY ALL KNOW AM VERY STRICT, VERY RELIGIOUS, GOT MORALS AND VALUES. THEY EVEN LEARNED ABOUT THE SOMALI CULTURE AND ISLAMIC RELIGION. THEY REMIND ME OF PRAYER TIMES AND THEY KNOW ABOUT HAJJ AND THE HOLY CITIES OF ISLAM. THEY LIKE TO EAT SOMALI FOOD SPECIALLY SPICED RICE AND SO ON. I HAVE EXPLAINED TO THEM THE BEAUTY OF OUR LAND, CULTURE AND BELEIVE ME WHEN SOMALI BECOMES MORE PEACEFUL THEY ASKED ME TO TAKE THEM TO THE SOMALI BEACHES. IN MY CUBICLE THERE IS A PICTURE OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO WENT BACK TO SOMALI FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND ENJOYING IN SAMBUUSI BEACH. THERE IS ALSO A PICTURE OF MY MOTHER AND HER THREE STOREY LARGE VILLA IN WAXARACADDE, XAMAR. THEY ARE ALL AMAZED OF SUCHA BEAUTY AND THEY WONDER THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THESE FACTS AND THEIR PERCEPTION. IT TAKES A REAL SOMALI TO DEFEND HIS NATION. WE NEED TO BE DIGNIFIED AND BE PROUD OF OUR HERITAGE. THESE PEOPLE INFACT HAVE NO MORALS AND THEY ENVY WHEN THEY SEE YOUR STRONG MORALITY AND YOUR STRONG ADERENCE TO YOUR RELIGION AND CULTURE. INSIDE THEY FEEL UNFULFILLED AND THEY KNOW THEY MISSING A LOT OF HAPPINESS IN LIFE. SO, PLEASE SISTERS YOU ARE LAGGING BEHIND , BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE. DON'T LOOK A SCAPEGOAT FOR YOUR FRUSTRATIONS AND IF YOU ARE REALLY INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING, THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN SOMALIA SHOULD MOTIVATE YOU TO BE STRONGER AND TO WORK HOW YOU COULD FIND A SOLUTION AND BUILD BACK YOUR NATION/
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:27 pm Anonymous, Mr interpreter, you are narrowing your focus too much on words. "As long as Somali men live somalia is safe" is perfectly sound, but you have to look at forest to see the real meaning of that statement. For instance, when the UN declared war on Aideed,and technically on his group I was in Niarobi. In afternoon tea, I met this old man from the general's clan, and I asked him "what is next" He said we will fight or else no one is going to marry our girls. I laughed it so hard that I could remember him asking anything else. At the time though, I did not understand what that statement meant. However, I am beginning to understand now where that statement originates. It is embeded in the personality of every somali group. It is the bride of Somali men. It was fascinating to discover how that bride is evenly distributed among Somalis. For instance,when Maxamed Cabdala Xasan(Sayidka) returned to Somalia from Eden, he was asked to pay custom duties by a British corporal. Instead of complying, like most of Africans, he asked the corporal "who gave you the permission to stay Somalia" What happened next does not need an introduction. Almost three decades later elders of the Darood clan from Kismaayo told British colonial Office that they were not Africans, but Somalis. Colonial office accepted their petition, and because of that somalis were left to their Xeer Somali. This statement seems to be racist, but upon close inspection one notices the historical logic behind it. If Africans accepted colonization with its forced labor and we didn't how could we share the same name? If somali women are something it is because of their man, like that elder pointed out. This does not mean we are taking away the individual quality of every somali women. In fact we want it to be complementary to the historical role of somali men. This is where Bad2thebone's statement really refers to. It is that bride that steps forward and says " As long as somali men are live somalia is safe" This statement is not only true but also it is responsible the inherent attraction of somali women. I am not good at the gender reasoning but, doest it strike you that we never had this problem when we were in somalia.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:29 pm All Somali women are garbage, no exceptions. That means you and all the others you mentioned. So fucck off you stupid woman. After all the vile things written here do not for a minute think I will be appeased by your generous and conciliatory tone. My broadsword is unsheathed and nothing but total, abject and humiliating submission will do from your half-brained lot. And don't say anything about that poem because the Great Man called it as he saw it. You are worthless pieces of shitt and the proof positive has come out in the west. So get out of my face you stupid cunt!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 02:38 pm you know what jaajuumoow. the only thing that i'm going to say to you is read what you have posted. if that is not insulting us(girls)i do not know what insulting is.going to community college and working is not a shame. so what do you have?PHD or you are a famous surgery who makes more than ......
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 03:01 pm yaaasmiina ..if your name is corruption and imitation. somali sisters are just lost . period. who we have to blame? somali men? yes.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 03:09 pm Yaasmiin pitch awoowgeey cali dhuux maxaa afka kuu sudhay, naayaa dee afkaan ka garaacaayaa hadad mardanbe u celiso cey qurunyahay sharmuutada ah.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 03:24 pm For God's Sake...........QUIT this GENDER WARS.......God.. I am sick of it!! Regardless of what u think of Somali men or women... we all end up with each other........so quit & focus on better things in life!.. God.. Get some life...ppl!!... Durgal: I respect ur views bro...but don't let this pathetic fools...drag ur name sake...down the hill!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 04:10 pm It is a pity that those of us from the so-called black race can never unite. All this talk about who is african and who is somali is foolish. We all are in the same bucket! If you aint white, black, yellow or red - what are you? I was shocked that my friend from Sudan is classified as a white man. All arabs, even the blackest (with monkey faces)are classified as white or causian. Xoogsade is that what you want to be - a white man? Your conversation sounds so silly because you will never be accepted except for what you are - a black monkey face somali! You may think so highly of yourself but you aint ••••! In fact Xoogsade I think you and Miss Ninoox were repeatedly sexually abused when you were children. Maybe it's still happening today. I have never heard such disrespect of women in my life. You and your girlfriend Ninoox have issues - real issues! Maybe you two really want to be women to show the real women how they should behave? Both of you guys sound like two little faggot bitches that are angry because the West Africans and Jamaicans arent fucking you! You faggots pick on these poor women all the time and no one comes to their defense. You need to find something better do with your time then get into women's business. You and Ninoox study them so closely because you want to be one too. There is a place called San Francisco where you and your faggot friend Ninoox can go and all your dreams will cum true! You talk about women bad again and I will come DOWN HARD ON YOUR FAGGOT AAASSSS you little closet princess!!!!!!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 05:05 pm I have lot of respect for Somali women. But I noticed one thing. I went high school with many Somali girls and my university we have one girl. These girls have one thing uncommon, amazingly while Somali men are too temperament and aggressive in nature. The Somalia women are all that oposite when they are outside Somali society. They can even raped so easly. My advice to ladies is, if you going outside Somali society where you have good protection. Be careful and strong. Hell do not be too nice and honest for foreigners. Hell do not date Mexicans and Ethiopian at all!!!!. I hope you listen.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 06:21 pm MILLION OF HEART WARMERS TO U GUYS AND GIRLS! AFTER MY GREETING, I WANNA SAY THERE IS NO DIFFERENCES IN MEN AND WOMEN. CUZ GOD GREATED WOMEN FROM MAN'S RIB, SO THAT MEANS -SHE WAS GREATED UNDER YOUR ARM TO PROTECT HER -BESIDE U TO BE EQUAL WITH U -NEAR YOUR HEART TO LOVE HER. I GUESS THAT CHANGES NOT ALL BUT SOME OF YOUR HEARTS. SO PEACE OUT!
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 07:13 pm it is funny how someone starts a topic and we(somalis) always slip talking about something else! now i know why we never got peace in Somalia for the last 10 years with hundreds of meeting held.it is coz when a warlord says something other replies in completely different and Unrelated answer.how pathetic. i wonder if we all suffer from Dylexia. we all see and face ppl who say things about somalia related to civil. if amatuallah and honesita express their encourter,you guys start calling them names.how pathetic and aggressive you r! that shows you cant prove your point. all guys posted only person who didnt insult and expressed his opinion is Minn man & logical guy by the way why do you always have to bring gender war?? i dont see amatuallah or honesita saying somali men are dogs or weak!they shared with us what other ppl said to them.if they r lying or not it is between them and God! Xoogsade, i doubt your manhood and legitimacy. i dont think or will ever think proper somali man will go to that extreme to insult women.i cant see anything making anyone that furious. or i think sister touch a nerve huh?you r proving you r one of dogs! durgal, i dont think there is any other way to look. and pllz dont give an example for Aideed!!i dont see any good that man did for Somalis.if you think fighting against americans were good,bro americans lost few men but somalis lost 1000s. in case you didnt read the papers UN didnt declare war but sent peace keeping mission. Sayed M. Xassan was a man of his own!yes he fought against colonists. but then you guys r none like him.he fought against.we r against one another. we r not Africans? what r we? then wherever we r/go we blacks and africans.it is time we get used to it. i am sure we didnt have this problem back in somalia,then where it came from now?dont tell we adapted from westerns.i dont see any whites or blacks having gender war 24/7! you r right one should be proud of being somali,but lets face the truth it is only women who,some of them,hide their identity ,they r whole lot of guys who do the same. Jaajuumoow, you r missing the fact or illiterate when it comes to maturity.Girls always mature b4 boyz whether it is mentally or physically. am sure whatever age group you compare girls r a way ahead when it comes to maturity. bro you cant say girls speak broken english and guys r perfect in it?!some somalis never amaze me just blabbing without facts. it is not 50s when girls not used to go school,since 60 and 70s education of the girls was increasing.it is almost parallel to boyz(esp in western world we live). farah, nobody talked about sleeping with anyone. i dont have anything to say to a filthy person. bad2thebone, you held your side of arguement in first place but i cant understand why you had to end if you like west african guy!we r back to number one again:gender war! that was uncalled for! you think owning a shop is great?? you thought wrong bro.you will find any kinda foriegner who r doctors and engineers and computer especialist in every community and their students in every field.what about somalis?? busy with shops! Soomaaliga aad ku faaneysid maba arko.illaa iyo haddana soomaali saxa wax qoray waaba fara ku tiris.
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 07:27 pm mudug, meel dagaal iyo colaad ka socoto cid kastaa ka hadlaysaa.been baa laga sameynayaa,sheekada waxbaa lagu dardarayaa ,wixii runta ahna waa laga tagayaa. laakiin dagaalada aad kor ku soo sheegtay waxay ka dhex dhaceen waddamo kala duwan ama kala diin marka laga reebo afghanistan oo sida soomaaliya camal ah.but then the evil white man will say all bad things he can and enjoy your loss.you dont expect to sympathise with us. Yasmina, any foriegner will insult you and say bad things about your country if it is this condition. you said women r not blameless true but mojor blame happens to men!!they r still keeping the fire! yes we have weak ones like these idiots who dont know how respect women! the Weak and they know that and they think by beeing filthy they will be strong.wrong move boys! they r dogs too,if somalis women r called bitches i think somali men(those farah like) r dogs. after all bitch and dog complete one another(mates).
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 08:33 pm maybe i didnt explain myself properly, i neva said i agreed with this man, in fact i dont, i dont belive somali men r dogz, not at all, their our fathers, brothers and husbands as women. i would of have defended my ppl if it wasnt my stop, and Allah is my witness to this, so u can choose to think wat u want. secondly, the reason i posted this was because i wanted to point out the fact that a foreigner has noticed our probelm of killig each other and still the meaningless fighting goes on back home. i mean its us who let the warloards control our country, if we banded together as one we could get true leaders whos interests dont involve financial power. maybe we have ourselves to blame, we shouldn't allow these ppl to lead us. secondly, i dont care about all those other countries and their problems, as a somali my prime intrests r with my ppl and my country. wat concerns me even more is that we r a muslim nation, and we're killing each otha. to those who suggested an improper conversation, that the white man was trying to pick me up, ur missing the point, read wat i said. also to those who disagreed with me and called me names, ur on way to prooving his point that some, read carefully i said some, somali men r dogz. and if ur not a dog no need to be offended, rite? i agree thats some somali women r guilty for wat happened to somalia, but cmon lets be realistic, wats the ratio of guilty men to guilty women, 10000:1. and once again im not saying all somali men r to blame, im saying that we as a somali ppl r to blame. the actual killers and warloards r to blame, all those who support their warloard r to blame, all those who hate some1 because of their qabiil r to blame....u get my drift, so in one way or another we are all to blame. even for those of u who cant think of anything y u should be blamed, ur to blame because u did nothing. i am to blame because i did nothing, how about u?
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:15 am GUys I believe we r all Guilty!read this and cry all! I have no time to Comment but read this please...I just see this artical while i was reading some of your posting.......I hope it gives u more wide understanding our problems. Women Behind the Warriors By Cynthia Enloe "....The most serious journalists are telling us now about the clan-based society of Somalia. If indeed clan organization is crucial to the construction of the current conflict (it may not be; two of the rival warlords are from the same clan), then marriage and reproduction must be essential processes in producing loyalties as well as hostilities. And if that is so, then warfare can't be prepared for or perpetuated without women's choice of husbands and sexual activity being of great concern. Some reports add that it is mothers who are responsible for insuring that both boys and girls learn early to identify not just with their extended families but with the genealogies of their fathers (not their mothers), back through many generations. Many journalists are telling us that Somali masculinity has been molded by legends of warriors, nomads who have protected their clans with military prowess and cunning. But in reality, not all Somalis men are nomadic pastoralists. Men and women living in the southern region around the capital, Mogadishu, are more likely to be settled agriculturalists. Misguided economic policies dating back to the colonial period and maintained through the years of international assistance have eroded the fragile soils of this southern region, turning of agricultural men into searchers for another livelihood. How many of these men have joined the warlords' militias? If one looks at a Somali warring faction and sees not a solid phalanx of descendants of cultural myth, but many displaced farmers, then the supposition about the militarization of Somali masculinity would have to be revised. The media are filled these days with pictures of teenage Somali boy riding recklessly around town on a armored jeeps popularly called "technicals." Camel boys. They are distinct from the regular members of the warlords' armies. Many of them seem to be wielding their guns in order to obtain food. They are not soldiers, traditional or non-traditional. It would be a mistake to confuse these anarchic boys with the men commanded by ambitious politicians. But where are the women who taught many of these boys and men to stay loyal to their clans, to resolve conflict in the name of clan solidarity? And where are the camel boys' sisters? The simple answer is that they are refugees, if they are still alive. But women aren't refugees, theybecome refugees. If women as partners in clan marriage, as mothers of children, as teachers of new generations, as farmers in the south and pastoralists in the north, were once critical players in the creation of Somali society, then their roles must have been drastically transformed for that society order to be dismantled through a kind of militarization that didn't sustain the clan building block but instead pulverized them. Some Somalis, especially urban Somalis, had been challenging the notions of clan loyalty before the present crisis. They had tried to substitute the idea of nationhood, a community transcending clan. Women have had a mixed relationship with nationalism in many countries. It has provided many women with more public roles than marriage and motherhood; it has legitimized many women's escape from familial domination and suffocating domesticity; it has expanded their network of support across region and class. Simultaneously, nationalism, especially in its militarized form, has been wielded to silence women, to keep them from raising awkward complaints about male abuse, to keep them from experimenting with alternative sexual identities, to stop them from forming alliances with feminists in other countries or ethnic groups. We have yet to hear from Somalia's urban nationalist women." ( From The Women's Review of Books, Vol. 10 (5), pp.23(2) /February 1993) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Woman's Voice in a Men's Forum By Fatima Jibrell- February 1997. Newsgroups: soc.culture.somalia Somalia is a forsaken land whose people are on the brink of annihilation. Somalis are today their own worst enemy. And women, particularly mothers, are the worst adversaries of Somalia. Are we, the women of Somalia, just actors in our country's destructive politics? Women and others have sacrificed the livelihood of Somalia. Every day for the last six years, we sacrificed the elderly, the children, the handicapped and the innocent. Can we really look ourselves honestly and feel proud. Not at all. In this world and the world hereafter we can see shame and disgrace written on the faces of Somali women. To look at ourselves is to look at betrayal, cruelty and failure. What a terrible lot to belong to. How did we lose track of humanity? How did we blindfold our homogeneity and unity? Where did we go wrong in raising our sons? Nobody can answer these questions except the Somali mothers. They must dig for truth within themselves. May Allah give us the courage to face up to who we are. Let us not pretend innocence. Women must accept their share of violating the God-given rights of others. Since 1991, women have been igniting fires that burn lives still. Women have empowered and encouraged their husbands, their leaders and their militias to victimize their fellow countrymen. Women cry, they grieve, they remain weary - but do not learn the lesson- a lesson that has cost them more than they will ever know. Women praised in their beautiful verses, in Buraanbur, those men who raped their neighbors, looted their co-workers and maimed their relatives from other clans. Women honor the engineers of such consequences. Women wear the gold jewels of fallen friends. Adding insult to injury, some women remain dwellers of looted homes and hotels. Such women call their husbands victorious. Without encouragement, support and approval, wars cannot be fought. But wars are fought: we encourage them, we support them and approve of them. Women: it is time to come to terms with reality. There are no sons born in war, they are only lost. May Allah give us the wisdom to wake up and realize our crimes, crimes that are not forgivable in our religion - Islam. Come and walk with me through the neighborhoods of any town or village in Somalia. Imagine we are taking a walk along your own avenue- your own neighborhood. Try to remember your own friends there, and try to remember those days when you played hopscotch together. Remember those you shared a piece of candy with, those you covered for when they were punished by teachers or parents for bad behavior. Remember your friends, those you shared beautiful dresses and jewelry with when invited for weddings and ceremonies. Can you remember the secrets your mother gave you? Can you remember the agony, the laughter, the consolation, the help you received from others, when the sack of grain bottomed out. My dear sisters , ask yourselves, where are your dear friends and neighbors with whom you shared your lives with when you were down. Where are those with whom you laughed with when your spirits were high. How pleasant, how fair, how enjoyable it is for you and I to laugh together or share our pains today - with the killers, looters and rapists who wish us to believe that they are on our side, that they are our protectors. They are, in fact, our clan militia. What a shameful place we occupy. We have betrayed our future, and the future of our children. We remain hostage to the anarchy-loving forces because, unwisely, we choose to. Where are the peace-loving forces now? Where are the communities who got sick and tired of isolationist clan policies. Do you remain hostage to your clan, or are you ready to liberate yourself and children, your neighborhood and your homestead. Is clan diversity and co-existence a beautiful dream? Are you nostalgic for it, or is it only deja vue? If your memories are calling you to commission an expedition for peace, may Allah help you. Let us join hands. It is time to reach out for those committed to peace, co-existence and fairness. It is time to go forward; time to face up the truth. I do not control and cannot know my future. I can only guide it. Let us tear down the walls of separation. Let us share our common destiny, our common children, our common lives. Let us build together the Somalia we destroyed. Let's cultivate together dear Somalia. Let us together protect our coast, our airspace, and our children. Let us together rebuild our shattered livelihoods and future. Let us elect and vote for whose political agenda matches our vision. Let us shed clan politics and replace it with our common interests. We all know it will work. We all know clan politics doe not and shall never work except for the warlords. Alternatives But to change, we must start with ourselves. We must confront the self, heal the self and clean the self within and depart from there in search of way to co-exist. We must embrace the diversity of our clans, the differences among our ethnic groups and regions. We must heal ourselves from guilt, hate, superiority and inferiority complexes. After dealing with all the hate within, we must seek forgiveness; and we must also forgive. Each and everyone of us must forgive and seek forgiveness by doing the right thing from now on. It is important for the journey of healing to confront our fear, to grieve our losses, and to lament our past. But it is also important to smile, to laugh, and to forgive, because the future is ours, if we have the courage to confront it. Pass the dheel of Ano (the milk pot) from coast to coast. Paste yourBuraanbur verses to the dheel and let it circulate from the cities to the pastoralists, to the highlands, rivers, and plains. Let it circulate your precious pains, sorrows and laughter to all of us, coming to terms with violence, hate and anger, and replace it with forgiveness and a new beginning "....This is a heart-warming speech, full of courage and substance. A message for the Somali public, women and men alike. And it should make our day that a Somali woman has at last differed from the blind-folded masses, called a spade a spade, and said what she felt, in her innermost being, without fear of being booed by men. We need people like Fatima Jibreel to come forward and speak out against the injustice that's Somalia today. These warlords, these thugs and these killers are not an island unto themselves. They have supporters, and as Fatima said, they have mothers. They also have sisters and wives and relations and friends. And they have whole clans or sub-clans behind them. It's, therefore, a high time that people speak up, draw their support from them and clear themselves from their negative influences, before the Lord took the matter out of their hands. Isn't it written that anyone who helps an evil cause also becomes a part of it? And Allah is the Lord of Retribution. Allah the Most High says: "*Many were the Ways of Life that have passed away Before you: travel through the earth, and see the end of those who rejected Truth.* " (Ali Imran:137) (By Safia on SCS Newsgroup) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:45 am 1st: How many men that use this forums took part in a war in somalia/land? 2nd: when you have a wound created by your ancesters is it nice that every female cames along and rubs salt in it? 3rd: Most importantly... this has been raised and raised and raised but no somali woman is willing to explain the common pathern that exsists among somali females... Why do somali girls act tough with somali guys and smile and act like sheep on heat around other men...????? No generalisation here... i am saying the majority... I need the sisters to explain why there is a sudden uncontrollable urge for the majority of the somali females to act so submisive around other men... from the practicing muslim one to the ignorant rufnecks that wear extension in their hair as if it was not straight enough already????? Some of them have the nerve to see you abroach and they cross to the otherside of the street...??? is it because they are wearing something so revealing and tight they think we'll see something for free that only we have to pay to see it??? I don't care... I don't give kcuf... I don't ksa yna erom... where is SIRRUS yo lets build those atoms bomb you take out the south and i'll take out the north... those places will be uninhabitable for the next 4000,000,000 years that is the time required to cleans the ignorance from this nation... My question is simple... answer it or stop dancing on our balls aight?????????
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 08:38 am Amuttalah, one piece of advice sis: NEVER, EVER APOLOGISE OR EXPLAIN YOURSELF TO IMMATURE IDIOTS WHO CAN'T DIFFERTIATE BETWEEN DEBATING AN ISSUE AND INSULTING A PERSON. IN THE FUTURE IGNORE THE DICKHEADS.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 08:48 am Hibo thanks. I undertand that there is an old fued being revisited here. My point was to stress to things: That we should not listen to outsiders and that Somalimen and women should complement one another. Hibo, if you think I am off the line, you should reject it and say this is not right, I would have done the same thing. There are many people who do not and cannot represent us, but over and over are using the good name of Somali women and men. Let's clean this place up,and silence all the brainless, vengeful characters. This is what we should do. Three or four of us should move from one file to another and attack their arguments or statements untill people start disappearing or adopt logic and friendly method of conveying their ideas. Else every one will be poisoned, and there will be no place to foster Somali unity, cooperation between our people. Anonymous, Agian You missed the whole point. Do you see connection between these three examples: the old man, Maxamed Cabdule Xasan,and Kismayo elders. Each one of these have shown that somali bride in their own time, and in their own understanding. The example had nothing to do with Aideed, read it agian if you want. The real focus was to show how " Somali bride" appears over and over agian. This is what this statement is about. Were are not reading history here. Were are not using that bullshit clan logic. You see you are accusing me of being tribalist. Please read the damn thing agian and if you are Good Muslim "iga gar bax" I am simply saying the statement reflects that bride which all somalis share.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 08:55 am Hey Xoogsade, you are one sick mothefuck, and your weak statement makes me sick, how dare you disrespect our women like that, I doubt that you are a real man, you are ignorant and insecure. the girls just posted a simple article about the som men. Just try to get you point of view accrossed without starting a gender war, why are you having this much anger towards your female sisters? We also have some disagreements with other west Africans, but they are not here to defend their self, you are just making yourself look like an ass! We as a Somali ppl have enough problem to discus we should leave the other races alone, and try to seek a solution for our problems. plain and simple. later! mahdi
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 09:18 am Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan was a bastard, a butcher....Sidee baan u heshiin karaa markaad ninkii caruurta Soomaaliyeed dooxayey tidhaahdid wuxu ahaa halgamaa............sidee u heshiinkaraa oo isugu iman karaa
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 09:36 am I'VE ONLY READ BITS AND BOBS OF THIS HERE AND THERE BUT I'VE NOTICED THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS TURNING INTO: 1) A GENDER WAR!! 2) A SLAGGING MATCH 3) TRYING TO MAKE EACH OTHER LOOK GOOD!! WHY DON'T SOME OF YOU PPL JUST POST YOUR OPINIONS AND BE CIVILISED? I LOVE OUR MEN...& EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM. YES, THERE WAS A WAR & THINGS WENT WRONG. BUT THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. WE SHOULD NOT DISS THEM, WE SHOULD COMPLIMENT THEM
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 10:13 am Sweet~queen and yasmiina Thank you Anon when I said"Somalia is safe as long Somali-men live"I meant it,Wherever I go it's Somali-men who stick together and defend the name of our country,when our women are busy trying to please every ajnabi-man on the block. AMATULLAH and Honesta(or Hibo) They both presented a baseless argument about how week Somali-men are,AMATULLAH used a white-man,when Hibo or Honesta favored the west-Africans and called us lazy,leave jobs more often NOW she changed her whole story PUTTING ON THE GOOD-GIRLS MASK(whenever suits her)saying those who left her work place were actually getting better jobs,why didn't you mention that before lady!!?? I when first started reading about this gender war,I thought the Somali-brothers where over-doing it,Now after reading how beautifully Somali-women think of us especially around the ousiders.I see where the likes of ninxun and his crew are coming from.I don't want you smiling in my face when we meet, just don't call me names when you with a low life Jamaican,west-African,white(even though I doubt whites like Somali-women) or whomever. I don't appreciate being put down by my fellow country women,we live in a hostile environment,we need to defend our people wherever,whenever needed.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 10:42 am bad2thebone, plz stick to the topic, its not a gender war aight, i think we r all to blame,weather directly by been involved in the killing, or indirectly by doing nothing. thats all im saying. anywayz, i dont get y somali ppl always twist things, i just posted this to get across the point its about time we recognised our problem of killing each other when a white man who is relatively ignorent to somali society recognised this.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 10:50 am bad2thebone, Soomaalya cidna kama xigto cidda kale ama wiil ama gabar ahow!mana la oran karo wiilasha kaliya ayaa daafaca magaca waddankooda. but what we need to safe is the "country" itself not just plain dry name!!we need to safe our ppl harming and killing one another.and lets not forget ethiopia is attacking Somalia everyday. Amatuallah and honesita shared things happen in their life.we didnt Witness any of those incidence did we? no. you cant prove them right or wrong.if they r lying let the Real judge :God" do his job.he knows the truth.if the honesits said somali guys in her work keep on quiting the job within 2 weeks,well may be you see different kinda guys around you than her.after there r more 100,000 somalis in north America.Somalis in my city/state have that bad habit of not staying a job more than couple of months but i cant say only somali guys coz over here it is both som men and women do that.so bro the girl talked about her opinion and enviroment.may be you dont agree with her,but i think we shouldnt insult anyone just coz they r expressing or sharing their experience. if some of us hang around/date/like with whites or blacks,where i live, it is the somali boyz who do that.but then ppl r different and we all live in different area. do not degrade yourself by saying ninxoon and alike are right! Durgal, i didnt accuse of tribalist.if you thought so,pllz accept my apology. if you were trying to explain about those things ,point taken bro.thank you for the good clean debate.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 11:51 am AMATULLAH Now we are ALL 2 blame???????....At your opening statement"he couldn't believe Somali-women were building their lives in the west"Somali-men were dogs""are you going to marry a DOG!!.......COME ON walaalo do you think we are ALL idiots?do you think we are easily fooled? Any man with brains can see where you coming from,male bashing was your motive.your statements and those of Honesta or Hibo just don't add up! Anonymous(I wonder why you choice to be anonymous?) I like the rest of you encounter stories,oneday this kenyan girl who worked with us came up to me and asked my a very strange question; Why do Somali-men hate Somali-women?! When I enquired about the source of her question,guess what this Somali-girl she hunged around with(she always comes to my work place and not for once said Hi to me!)not that I care,But misleading others is a totally different matter,I defended my people like any Somali with dignity would have,She then said;I don't know why but she always tells me bad things about Somali-men. Now that I have read your statements I see where that Somali-girl got her misguided patriosm from.I mind my own business,work and pay my bills,pay taxes,am met with diffucalties because of my skin color,But that's OK. I don't claim to be Mr know it all,nor am I the savior of the Somali name. BUT TO BE A SOMALI IS TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY FROM BOTH THE OUTSIDE ENEMY AND THE ENEMY WITHIN. I have too many thoughts in my head right now but I have to run to work so the next time that west-African is not going to degrade me in front of Somali-women and be met with a happy face and a clap.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 12:16 pm Bad2thebone.......Subxaan allah....u r one mad brotha and i honestly dont know why.... Brotha u dont know me so please dont judge on me..........i dont put down somali men and i dont hate somali men........i could hate u for calling me names and calling me a lier but i still dont hate u.......the reason why i did not defend somali men is honestly i did not know what to say then.....and i said that in my post.....is it HARAAM to not know what to say...of course i denied it to his face but i could not strongly defend cuz i didnt know how....once again i assume it is HARAAM to not know somethin......u r jumping to conclusions and understanding what i said ur own lovely way.....go ahead...i aint got a problem with that.........ha kuu macaanaato hate-ka kaa buuxa 'walaalo' It is also gettin' funny the way u think i'm Hibo....cant u tell the diff. between pple 2....shameeeeee adios
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 12:20 pm bad2thebone, thank you for the reply. even though i didnt get about somali kenyan girl part. i mean "dulucda iyo ujeeddada" aad ka waddid.i dont understand your reference to your color,work,paying bills???may be you were trying to say something and didnt express well or you getting off the topic? bro i am glad you r not mr.know it all,neither do i. you r right 100%"to be somali is to defend your country from within and out".but bro we r not doing that at all. none of us did it when we were in somalia and we r not doing anything to improve now and coming years!!in this discussion i can only say we r defending shallow empty name against silly white guy`s comment. PS:you said you wonder why i chose anonymous?? i would rather have anonymous than bad name. at least it is better than yours, dont you think?? may be i will come with one, till then I am anon. they say name reflects oneself.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:42 pm There is no point in placing blame in where it does not belong-certainly all our woes and pains shouldn't solely be placed upon the burdened shoulders of the Somali male nor infact the Somali woman: to say so would be to ignore the underlying factors that have lead to Somalias demise. To say that "dhila daas" like every Somali women is the cause of all my problems, is to fall into that trap we call stupidity. If anything, if there is blame to be placed, it is upon the Somali people as a whole. Yes, you may find a brotha doing nothing but picking his a$$ and probably a sista "trying to please every ajnabi-man on the bloc" as was so quaintly put, but to take this and place it as a norm for all Somali men or women is pure idiocy. bad2thabone, Honesita and all those Somalis who have blindly taken the cause of the gender war, let us set our differences and these hateful and pointed words aside and join in another battle-the battle for success, not only in our adopted homelands but Somalia-our motherland needs us, it craves our attention, our love, our dedication-let us not forget this.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:44 pm There is no point in placing blame in where it does not belong-certainly all our woes and pains shouldn't solely be placed upon the burdened shoulders of the Somali male nor infact the Somali woman: to say so would be to ignore the underlying factors that have lead to Somalias demise. To say that "dhila daas" like every Somali women is the cause of all my problems, is to fall into that trap we call stupidity. If anything, if there is blame to be placed, it is upon the Somali people as a whole. Yes, you may find a brotha doing nothing but picking his a$$ and probably a sista "trying to please every ajnabi-man on the bloc" as was so quaintly put, but to take this and place it as a norm for all Somali men or women is pure idiocy. bad2thabone, Honesita and all those Somalis who have blindly taken the cause of the gender war, let us set our differences and these hateful, pointed words aside and join in another battle-the battle for success, not only in our adopted homelands but Somalia-our motherland needs us, it craves our attention, our love, our dedication-let us not forget this.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:56 pm Mahdi and Woman supoorter= dumar la mood siill ka jeexanyay. Soomaali baan ahay Sanku neefle ma oggoli Inuu iga sarayn karo. Somalia belongs to Somali men. Women should only open their legs and submit and bear children. They should not be heard from. We the men of Somalia will solve its problems. So Naclatullaah and DisHonestbitch and all the rest of you whores do not concern yourself with Somalia and its problems. If Slave Monkeys and Pedophile whites ask about Somalia, pretend you are not Somali. Because you are not. All of you whores in the west are useless pieces of pig excrement. You are not women. The unpolluted princesses who are still in our land will bear the fruit of tomorow. You on the other hand can go suck the foreign cock you so love and leave the noble men alone.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 01:58 pm Salam all The worst of th worst of the is the who thinks he can use any language in the discussion and get away with it. Don't you know Allha og wax ey isha qayaanto iyo qalbigaaga ku jira ogaa inuu ku arkaayo. walalyaal all Iam saying is we don't have to use abusive language to convince each other what we believe. I personally don't see any problem with the sister who initiated this discussion, I mean her story in fact it's a common 1 we all heared if it didn't happen to us personlly. 4 the brothers these who don't respect the sisters please and keep to your self what u think them. Salam
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 02:27 pm DisHonestSiil you said "the reason why i did not defend somali men is honestly i did not know what to say then". Are you stupid or were you not trying? Dumarku inay naaqus yihiin weligay waa ogaa!
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 02:42 pm I ain't in the mood any more. They refused to answer my question... My conclusion is therefore aaaaaaachuuuuuuuuu. Alhamdullilah. GRrrrrrrrrRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRrrrrrr ....................................Line......... Everone they frustrated. solution sooo disecticated men dancing around the bush fire women beating the drums of faith Children amused with plain battlefield spectators smile ever so entertained Pc's full bad remarks and bites of rubbiss essays You silly this and she silly that and it paid by tics of the clock You effort is clocked by the minute cos somenet gets it's cake You came, saw, donated and ran in despair where ru going with this i say where were you going b4 u came why have u changed course have u learnt a thing have u tought a thang Unleash you inner demons... please your alter egos sign your silly statement cos your style is a like a finger print hence passed will come the diggers of graves the archives shall reveal you exsisted and walked the halls of somnet it is not meant to be clear for all i hear is fear why do you fear yourselves how could you when did you forget who ur i don't need your answer just your time you so freely donate daily such saintly duty could you not do other may be write a letter to mum visit dad and buy him a mijin collect brother from school atleast once walk sister to the bus stop.... **********************************below...line I was asked once why are somali ladies never accompanied by their husbands,brothers,fathers or sons when they are outdoors..?> most other muslims do it I hear some cheering already but i am not finished... You know what i'll leave you all to answer it for yourselves...
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 03:29 pm Xoogsade: Waxaa la yaab leh bro...sida marka war xum laga hadlaayo un aad...madaxa la soo baxdid oo aadan wax wanaagsan marnaba....ka hadlin.. I wonder why??.. Ta labad dumar umbaad caaayeysaaye..hooyadaa miyeysan dumar aheyn.. isku xishoo nin weyn baad tahaye.... Its ur likes that ruined our reputation... tuff...shame on u!! Durgal: I do understand where u r coming from.....however...to level urself...with this 'Inkaar qabyaashaan'...is itself a disgrace...that is all I meant to say. U can try for ages to change their view points bro.......but trust me .....they will always find means to cover their foot prints....If u feel...otherwise....go ahead... I will support u whenever possible!! Honestia: Habaryar.......lol... we r the same....lol...gabar iyo habaryarteed....waa isku mid....lol.. lol..
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 04:06 pm xoogsade = axmaq, caaq intaa dumarka hadal haya. Just because you were rejected by one Somali queen doesn't mean you have a licence to insult and take out on the rest of the queens. I bet you are one of those ball-less men who in real life can not even look at a women let allow insult her. All your negative knowledge is courtesy of the long hours you spend with other losers at Tim Horton's Yaa ziift! bringing your filthy-mouthed garbage straight from coffee shop to the cyber.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 04:33 pm Hippo: Shouldn't you be writing a poem to your slave boyfriend, you purulent, herpes and HIV-ridden whore. Get your stinky cunt out of here. Anonymous: Long may you remain that way. ******************** What is the Somali woman good for other than blow jobs? Absolutely nothing. Consider this great poem: Naagaba dumar qurbaan ku nacay dabin alluu qoolye Waa waxaan dadkeeniyo ahayn dowladddii nebiye waa cadaw dagaalamahayiyo duul shisheeye ahe Waa doxorayaal aan xishood dooc ka garaneyne waa waxaa kobtii diiqa iyo dowyadaas mariye Waa waxaa dalaadahaa bannaan lagu dukhuulaaye Dawgii walbeetaba wata jareer dacayda laalaadin Darmaduu u fidsaday doofaarku diinta kaga saarye Dhalfaduu gaal ku diisay bay cudur ka duugteene Waa wada dabrima diisan iyo dalab-sikiireeye Waa wada dahaar siiban iyo daba dhurwaaleye Waa wada dumbulo foolxuniyo madax danduulleey e Waa wada dameer gaaban iyo daaman baqalleey e Waa wada calool daas iyo dacay gafuur weeyne Wixii ay dareemaanba waa dooxanahayaane Darbaal icecream iyo keeg bay damug ka siiyaane Inkastay durduurtaan nacfiga kama dafaayaane Diihaal hunguri waa wuxuu doy ka dhaadhicine Inaan diintu sii waarin bay dacawedeysteene Doqoniinaday la ciyaan duhur dharaareede
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 04:45 pm sorry xoogsade ha badalin hadalka axmaqyahoow jaahilka ah gabayga waxaa tiriyey sayid max'ed waxayna ahayd dummashi baan ku nacay. isku xishood ahbalyahow oo hooyadaa ha caayin.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 04:49 pm Here we go again...You idiots turned a perfectly legitimate topic into a full fledged session of gender bashing. Xoogsade: It is characters like you that bring the stench of inevitable death to these discussions. Get yourself together man-obviously you have issues that need to be dealt with and attacking your sisters is not a solution. Mo-man: Very well said-I agree with you whole-heartedly. Odemy: Your random strains of thought are a bewilderment-let's take it a step at a time shall we? And to everyone else: Chow.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 05:00 pm Lady Kudaafad: This was non started as a debate. Naclatulaahi started this "discussion" as a forums for male-bashing and I am responding in the same "bashing" spirit. If you cannot see Naclatulaahi's intent either you are blind, stupid or both.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 05:08 pm Xoogsade.........i honestly wanted to ignore u.....but i couldnt take ur non-sense no more... (Naagaha blow job kaliya bay ku fiicanyihiin..... U have HIV and Herpes.... Go to ur Jamaican, Arab, Indian, Whatevaran boyfriend and suck his ****..... U had sex with 87 men.... U r this and u r that.....) Is that all u know how to freakin' say..... Do you have any other life than insulting and disrespecting...."women".. Do you do anything better by the way.... Walaahi what Hibo said is so true.....lax baad tahay anaa ku daraya.......nacalaa sheeydaanka ku yaal......iyo waxa sheeydaanka raacaba...adiga camal....... Nin naag caaya waa doqon waana naag.....so naag hadaa tahay banaanka isdhig.....aightttttttt.. Hibo.......ala maanta habar noqday..... lol....macaanto i'm ur aunty....not ur habaryar........i am not habar....and i am not yariis....lol...but ur haboos and abtiis r my haboos and abtiis too...if u know what i mean....  Modey.......i'm just wonderin' hun....dont get mad or anythin'.......do u get tired by typing...or do u just copy and paste sometimes...!! adios
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 06:07 pm Dear don't work yourself up over something as trivial as this. It is my philosophy in life that the ignorant should at least be given the time of day to acquire some semblance of knowledge. If this is not possible, well then, there is no cure for stupidity is there? This being the case, I do not intend to waste my time, nor should you, with delusional half-wits masquerading around this forums denouncing the mothers, sisters, and daughters of our nation. To you Xoogsade, I do wish you the best in whatever ditch life happens to drop you in... Not wanting this to turn into a barrage of insults, I shall leave you with the fact that there is more to life than this, this hatred you harbor. So live life to the fullest dear.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:06 pm When I read this topic I felt like choking somebody. First of all AMATUALLAH if that white man said that you should of deffend your black ass girl. Spit in his face and make a big seen..and don't give that bullshit that it was your stop and you had to get off. Secondly Honesita, girlfriend please don't contradict yourself...you said them Somalian nigga are no good bastard, stick to your word. Third of all Xoogsade you ragady ass mothaf%cka go back to Hargaysa and feel your wife and kids instead of chewing Jad in London....We are the back bones of your skinny ass, we're the once who takes the heat when some ignorant sh!t insults Somalimen because of their lack of not brains to commite to anything except coffee shops and and chewing Jad. So don't be talking sh!t about us and go tose a salad for some guy, your ass is gay anyways. For bad2thebone..how you gonna go out and say Somali guys stick together and women are out their pleasing Ajanabis, You don't know the sh!t we go through everyday, as far as I'm concern Somalian women are both father and mother for their kids, How many times do you see Somali woman walking the street with her kids either taking them to school or to the doctors. So bitch please get your story right. Everytime I see your post I feel like coming out of the computer and choking your ass. Lastly...I'll tell you what some white guys said to me at work...One guy came up to me and said "Where you from I said Somalia and he said "Are you still hungry cuz the only time I see Somalia's on TV they are either starving or fighting". Well I was like matha F%cher we rather starve than rape out daughters or rape some poor kid when yo'll American F%ckers where sent to Somalia so safe them instead rape all the little boys. And than this other one said.."Isn't SOmali where all of them American soldiers were killed..I said damn right they should off mind their f%cking business. So either deffend yourself or Don't post sh!t like this up in here...so Some Qaxooti ass can call the women some names and act like he's the bad's sh!t.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:45 pm Hey xoogsade(wimp-ass) you can call me a women supporter or whatever but I ain't get problem with it. Unlike you I brought up not to insult a women.Hey Idiot just think for a second, they are your sisters, your mothers, your aunts, they could be your wife(exception for you because you are a fag). I am not trying to make this debate for one and one thing, but I just can't stand how ignorant you are. ppl just ignore this stupid kid, and go on with a nice debate.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:52 pm By the way how you gonna call a Muslim person nacalatullahi, do you even know what you are saying? I doubt it. man get you staff together and do something useful for your retarded self.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 06:40 am And who is the winner? i will keep checking
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 10:03 am Salama... Amatu-Allah {It seems like a West African name of Muslim version, though}, pardon me I have several questions: "Why hesitate?" You hesitated to answer it, because, in the air, there was something you were concealing, whether it is your pride for where you came from. To me, with my prideness it only takes a second to snap it back that I am Soomaali-Cad. Whether I am a citizen of the country I dwell or not. And again, Afrika is a fifty-plus something nations. And still counting. So, you'd an easy answer. Whether he 'knew' of Afrika or not, you should have easily given him his answer with pride. "Was it hard to name Soomaaliya?" "Or you were already afraid from the consequence that will happen, though it still happened of this emaciated pictures of poor people that flashed back in the most screens of Western countries' T.V.s in back early 1990s?" "Or you were afraid to take the consequence that follows how the war-torn country doing?" I smell a foul, not fair play. If you were pride with a genuine joy with it, you wouldn't suspend his question at all. Show your pride of proudness you have to that country. Hesitate not in whatsoever the matter is. _______________________ P.S.: It is no shock to me of what he said, because it is how he was fed from the mainstream media. And what the Western media portrays is, invariably, unquestionably, true. ______________________ Nabadeey!!
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:52 am I haven seen only about 10% of the population respond to the question....so to the other 90% get back on track aight?? and out of all the people HOOGSADE intrqued me the most..... you hate all somali females and they are not good for nothing but sucking?? my gawd u are a disgrace to all somalians and if i was your mother i would have suffocated u to death when u were born... u have gots talking....i bet u a 50 yeard old qat eating man...but answer this question for me: how did u learn english?? inbetween your qat sessions maybe?? to the guy who siad guys mature b4 girls... no they do not...girls who are 18 are at the same level of a 28 year old male if not more mature.. modey we don't allow any guy of any race to treat us like dirt because we are worth more then that.. P.S. TO ALL THE GUYS U SEEM TO GET SO ANGRY IF A GIRL SO MUCH AS TELLS A STORY CONCERNING MALES OTHER THEN THOSE THAT ARE SOMALIAN... I WONDER WHY?? AND YET U THINK IT IS PERFECTLY NORMAL FOR U TO DATE AND MARRY WHITE FEMALES?? WELL I GUESS THE BEAUTIFUL SOMALIAN SISTERS HAVE DECIDED THAT SINCE U GUYS DON'T COME UP TO SQAUT....THEY GONNA FIND SOMEONE WHO DOES.... (HOPEFULLY I WON'T HAVE TO GO THERE AND I WILL FIND A SOMALIAN MEN WHO IS WHAT I AM SEEKING )
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 12:49 pm Salam all XOOGSADE "Darbaal Keeg ag iyo Ice Cream bay dam ka siiyane" looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool they do. very funny extremly funny.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 02:07 pm American Gaal: Dhilayay cimri degdeg haygu ridin I am not 50 years old. Not for another year and a half! To all the decent Somali women I extend you my apologies for my ill-considered remarks. It is impossible to lump all women together and just today I saw two absolute Somali angels whose habits, bearing, demeanor, intelligence and faith impressed so much. And they were engaged in some very important work that impressed the hell out of me. If only Naclatulaahi(on her), american gaal, Dishonesty, Hippo and Lady Kudaafad and all the lost ones could be like that ma ciil baan qabi lahayn. In any case you ladies should stop your simpering, self-pitying ways and fight for your identity just the way you were sticking up for your gender now. If you can send me, of all people, running for cover how difficult should it be to out-argue a slave or trailer trash white devil riding the bus on a stolen pass. You have to know that guy was a moronic, hardup redneck cause the only people in the Land of Plenty who ride buses are students, enviromental freaks and hard-up losers. The guy is too old to be a student like me, Enviro freaks are always liberal bleeding hearts so you what that leaves. That is IFF and a big IF, he exists at all and not figment of the imagination of Naclatulaahi(on her). Aamatul-shaydaan still does not have a clue that this man, if real, was insulting and humiliating her just as much as he was insulting her menfolk. The fact that he was sowing the seeds of self-doubt and future conflict vis-a-vis Somali men was just a nice bonus for him. But the stupid bitch has no understanding. Samiir: I personally thought it was funny but you know these girls just have no sense of humour. They are so self-obsessed and quick to take offence I am thinking they all came one child families. Grow up girls and stop the self-pitying mewling every time someone tells you that you are less than stellar. Cause most of you are not. Except for this one great lady. Waaa Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaa cry cry like a big baby, looool.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 02:12 pm Lady khalafa: You seem to be concerned more about the presentation of my posting where you should have been more concerned about the contentent there in. You have raises this point before and i ignored it. What do you find so distasteless[douple negative] about my statements? Surely i have refrained my verbal flexing with the parameters of desency? I do concur with you i deliprately speak free sytle... you know why?... i thought this was a nice thread heading where i could actually get relavent information about what you somali women like... becuase i believe somali woman don't ever want anything but to please everyone other than somali men... i.e mother,father,blood brother,blood sister, friends. that is my opinion and not important at this point... but here i was stimulated and prepared to absorb a little bit of knowledge and what do i get KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKH TUF ON MY FACE... from alamalatuuur something or the other. My disgust was not with her story..... common i don't care who she talks to... but her lack of defensive attitude... do you hear me... just check how defensive her arguements are in here... she totaly proofs my previous questions that somali female only develop a back bone around their men... and if we somali men should be proud of this phenominum then let me be the first to say i love you all for standing straight as a result of us... please lady khafifa feel free to stand on the private parts any time you feel like it, if it will make you feel more like a woman... thank you honesita:it is all from my small grey matter woman, why would i need to paste any thing are you loco seniorita? how could anything i write be a paste cos it is so in consistant and free style... as someone had to nerve to say to me "yo modey there is a difference between writen and spoken english" duh... someone tell her individuality still counts for something on earth...damn i ain't no clone... but i guess that conformist that wanted me to have a well defined style and singular objective was nothing more then DOLLY THE BAAAAA SHEEB. Americangal: It is sooo not funny to see all you females allways trying to strike a hind kick on the men between the legs by assuming... he chews qat... well let me break it down for you... you typical family probably yours has the following form... Father chews chad mother gossips on fone chat brother on net in a room chat sister on v.chat you here small timing on forums chat Click before i have to swich and flick your lights out you flipping free loader... gal don't you really mean you are AMERICAN gaal... hehe wakeup dowdow... it is breakfast time you will miss sesame street on channel69... no we guys don't care what men you girls like or want aight... we just don't like the way you diss us behind our backs... you won't believe cos you probably one of the ones who do it... enough ni99as come along and say they know this about my people and they know that and went you ask em how they know... little miss innocent down the street told him... hey she never even says hi back to me this has been a ritual her and i have developed over the last 20 years.... i say hi she answers with a huruuf... i advice her to stop stressing her face cos she will age fast and get rinkles...and her walk say the rest as she walks off to meet hell knows who... but i still watch her a55 as she walks off... sad foolish me... well it is the only free show on the block! What is age got to do with the statement you making... a 50yr old will still mount you just the same way as a 15yr old. stop the age discrimination already.... yada yada yada... who let jerry springers guests in here??? You are right american gaal girls mature faster then boys... in fact they are ripe at 15 and legal to marry back home... so get your gaal american men... who cares... we'll enjoy our gaal females and then go and still marry a fresh young untouched virgin... how is that to shut you up about our options.... even a 50yr old ni99ar with money can marry a virgin back home... you can't try to play games with men... cos you ain't a man... Amer gaal giveup this fued it is most counter productive, all the guys want to achieve is a postion of respect preferably on top. So stop knocking us down aight... well until we mount anyway. don't ask for explanation if you mis-interprete what i say honey. MenWannaBe's:To all the guys defending for the sake of getting on the right side of the females and not really listening to the issue at hand... some best tell you to wakeup or getup of the floor cos there someone or something steping on your balls dudes and you enjoying it... i would have understood if you guys abaoched without taking sides but it is clear you are all homoNoCanErrection... only thong is i thought yous all extinct a long time ago? i was wrong huh? welcome back to live... your mental awareness is well know for using faul language agains those that can getitup i think somnet is using you guys as contaraceptives to stop the cyper sex..... bloody condoms.... hahahaha helarious it sure is.... yes come again HONESITA you think this is all paste too i guess? Honey+sita=honesita sita=indian goddes. but i think you were trying to say sista but neither of us is English at least by birth...
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 02:33 pm Modey: Dagamit man you are hilarious and made all the points I was butchering so well. And yeah they always accuse me of bein a Jaad chewer and I tasted the dagam thing once in my life and it did nothing for me. I would try the damn thing but it is too expensive and I have to keep saving my money to go home soon and grab myself some of that 15 year old unspoilt virgins you were talking about. Shitt maybe even 13 or 12, lol.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 06:23 pm modey, all i can say is "you still need to learn difference between written and spoken language" . i thought i was the only who had a problem,but a whole alot ppl except who doesnt make sense either. it is clear why girls said 'khaaakh tuf' on your face.you probably didnt make sense to them and showed your immaturity. anyway you Men it is you who r whining all time,if you r happy with your non-somali so be it.we dont a damn.but the irony is why you all got burned when you hear any somali girl mentions anything to do non-somali. xoogsade, soomaali waxay tiraahdaa "caano qubtay wax ka qabad ma leh". let it be, Your mother,sisters be .... suckers! you already got you Danbi" written for you and your hell already extended more.and you know Allah said Sin against can be forgiven but one you commited against another human being.on top of that accusing alll Somali women(including your mother and sisters) doing ZINA is worst of the worst.you cant even accuse onyone doing Zina unless there r witnesses. and here you r !!! Alhamdullilah as i am not your mother or sister.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 07:55 pm my dear friend AHMED was once attacked by eigth neo nazis and he was able to defend himself with courage and determination. he beat four of them badly until he passed out becouse of the several stabbings he got in that fight. but what amazed every one even the police was how can a young (he was just 16 years old at the time ) skinny guy from Somalia can beat these strong heavily built white dudes. he had no weapon at all. he was attacked becouse he was Somali. he didn't ran or chickened out. he fought back with dignity. he recovered from this and for his courage he become so popular in his neighborhood and school. people respect not only him but every other somali kid. they all beleive somalis are natural fighters and warriors who don't take any bull$hit. and damn girl amatullah you coming with this cheap thing. you could not face up to an old white honkie? i doubt of you being somali! beleive me, no man can talk to a somali sister like that in where i live. I live in Nashville and every one is scared of us. be proud of who you are and defend your nation. if you have some issues with somali men , deal with it. go and find a good brother for i am sure there are plenty of them. if one of them dissed you or hurt you that is life deal with it. but don't come with such low and cheap excuse to bash your people.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 10:17 pm MUSTAF thank you for understanding the real issue in hand. 5Kroon What is your problem!?.........why are you calling me a bitch,is it because I say and state the true facts,is that why you want to jump on me and choke me? . I can't stand by and watch the name of my beloved country being trashed by white trash,and all what the sister AMATULLAH could do is come here and launch this hidden counter attack at Somali-men,and Honesta or Hibo jumped on the wagon ban,half the way thorough and they both decided to call off the trip. I'm sorry,but that was so cheap. xoogsade and every other hot blooded Somali have the right to be angry at this. All I can say is" xishooda oo is badh qabta hablayaw'
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:09 pm Waan u guuxay habkay sheekadu u socotay qaybaheedii danbe, and I would like to say, (Xoogsade halaga dhimo) Intaasi kana badan kuna filan. Laakiin waxaan u arkaa inuu yahay nin caqli badan, isagoo ku socda Laas-caanood si uu ula kulmo hablahaas cusub ee aan iyagu ka Degsiin the big icecreamka. Halays cafiyo, sheekadana haloo wado siday tahay iyadoo aan cidna la caayin. Tan kale, I had a friend who aan meel kawad shaqayn jiray.So, wuu dafiray inuu yahay, Xataa Soomali, wuxuu sheegtay inuu yahay Black Kuwaity man,Waayo? Wuxuu ii sheegay in hada ka hor ku dhacday inay kuwii aw shaqaynayeen ku yiraahdeen. Waxaad sii qadataa cunto badan maadaama aad ku laabanaysid Soomalia for someday. Coz, waxay arkeen sheekadii ka dhacday Baydhabo iyo Macaluushii & Masiibadii ku habsatay xiligii dagaalada iyo abaaruhu haraatiyeen dhulkaas isaga ah. iyagoo ka daawaday the media such as (CNN, ABC an etc). Taasoo, keentay inuu dafiro dalkiisii dhamaanba iyo Dadkiisii, aniga iyo isaguna waan is nacnay sheekadaas iyada ah, Sidoo kale wuxuu aad ugu hadlaa The Arabic language, aad buur-buuran oo uu kasoo bartay markii uu soo fadhiyay xerada qaxootiga ee al (Jaxin)yemen, as he said. Anyhow, hawl ii taala maaha, aniga hadii uu diidana waa isaga iyo danihiisa mana caayi karo dadka iyo dalkaba. Salaams
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 08:40 am This is gettin' kinda confusin' now....i dont understand where this is goin'..... Modey......lol@sinyorita loca......u r actually right........yo es loca en la cabaze.......and about my name.......nah i did not miss spell my name or sistah.......i meant Honesita as it is Honesita.......i was listnin' to the song...Mama Cita.......and thanx for da lil' info about the indian goddess.......i didnt know about that....i actually meant Honest Cita......so put it together dear........Someone told u ur english is supposed to be said not written....well i guess agree.....cuz walaalo u talk too much......i'de luv to listen to u......but not read u hun......dont get offended now aight.....lol.... Some pple have the nerve to say 'Habloow maad is badh qabataan'.....nacalaa sheeydaanka ku yaal......what about u men.....cay maahanee waxkale sheega......not all of u again.. 5karoon......well girlfriend i guess u have a big problem understanding what i said.....so go back to it and tell me where da hell did i say...Somali Men R Bastard Ni66az......!!?? adios
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 09:10 am Honesita, Sis i didn't know you could say "Nacalaa kugu yaal " in Somali. I don't usually participate, i just observe and i kindo get confused with the different directions the debates here can take.....
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 09:51 am Xoogsade: Macal asif.....Ilaahey baa horey kuu nacaladeeyey....ani waxaan kuula tirsadoba ma jiraan......war nabiga ku sali...sheydaan kiiba kaa carari gaadhayee...bini aadmi kalkuu joogaa....ee bal orodoo....soo fool dhoqo...huuradii xalay baaba weli kuugu taalee..Sheydaankana iska naar.......mashaqaaba na heysatee.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 10:34 am Mustaf, your friend(Ahmed is not his real name) fought with white guys, but according to the Real stories, they r bosnians(not germans). they r all 15-16 years old boys and still r.they r all in high school fresh men. i dont like when ppl add extra little spicy in stories(thats lying bro in case you didnt notice). little boys in school fight. those guys said all nasty things they could including things against Somalia.but i would expect that from anyone in anger.and they werent any Stabbing as you implied(another "cusbo" in the story) . even though bosnians started the insults but it was your friend who started the fight.and guess what??thats not something to be Proud of!! that shows Somalis cant defend verbally and know only how to attack!and who was in loss?? again Ahmed how?? he was suspended from school and got his name in black record book. but then we r Somalis who gives a damn about schools and studies huh? bro only stabbing in Nashville is a Somali stabbing another.why?? coz they playing billiard and.......how ironic. you said "everyone is scared of us" in what sense??
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 10:52 am Mo-man, well said bro.these ppl are only into gender war.thats why majority of somali youth r not progressing and will never progress! those on track will have to hang around with foriegners as they dont have anything to say or discuss with somalis. Very Sad! Mahdi, walaal hadduu diin leeyahay Xoogsade Islaamnimo iskaba dhaafe wuxuu ku hadlayo maba uusan yiraahdeen.ha isku daalin walaal waa waxaan caaqiba laheyne.he is calling ppl immature, the only immature person i see is him. Aynab, i am glad you see problems with debate here.as american girl said less 10% get/understand the topic and stick to it.it is very unfortnate.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 03:10 pm Moyde & Xoogsade, Ku soo dara digaagadahan habowsan dadkey ka dhasheen iyo dhaqankoodii. nagana yareeya cayda kuwayga idin jecel wali ee idin xushmeeya, wax noola hara. do I dare say this cliche: we are your mothers, sister,... yada yada yada ,it makes me sick when I hear that cliché. they better come up with something soon or else we will Khaaf tuf them lol.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 07:58 pm Honesta=Hibo is it that time of the month!? Don't blame me, blame that ugly ass west-African . Did I swear at you little bitch...huh I guess whores don't deserve to be respected,you fucking piece of junk,human waste,west-African left over. keep on changing your fucking name but u ain't fooling me............BITCH
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 09:27 pm bad2thebone: Hibo+honestia+Basra= Hibo+HOnestia+Basra.....can u dig that?...or is it too much math for ur vacate mind??
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 11:50 pm Mi Buen amor... I do credit your resilence and the way noone can get you upset, you know what they say about females that don't get angry it is easier to get them horny... :-) can i have i go atcha yeh?? borfavour.... AnoNoMass please don't address me because i don't a address to return my reply to you orite! Your Lovely sister: i have one mother and the only sisters i have are those that shared the same womb... click... the rest of the somali female accept those AWAL's are legal and potential wifes... this word sister is a joke lose it fool... unless you are into incist? then do as you please... AWAL'S ARE CUnTS don't ever go near them... they all practice incist and marry bloody cousins and sh*t... they all look the same cos they are inbreeds... they got a lot of genetic imperfections..
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 03:18 am Modey......loooooooool.....no i dont get mad easily........and u can go ahead and assume many more thingz........!!
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 07:45 am All i gotto say... if i can't hate yeh... i got to start lovin yeh.... mo de y smithen... ouuuuuuuuuuuuuchhhhhhhhhh Venos dias
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 07:50 am Caaudubillah So this is the hang out place for all the freaks? Lots of chauvinists in this room.Most of all i am shocked at Xoogsade.I thought he was outspoken,rude,vulgar,and funny,but that was some sort of tolerable,but this?It's disgusting.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 04:04 pm Honesita, What's up sis? Don't get mad....i know you're a cool girl..Guess who it's...
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 06:06 am modey, check what you wrote: "AnoNoMass please don't address me because i don't a address to return my reply to you orite" doest it sound right??or doest it make sense??? i dont think so.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 06:36 am there is enough nonsence going on in here please think of something else... to discuss with me or just let this rest ok... being here is no longer just about contributing opinion and self expression... man o man we have all devolved intectually while being here so lets all go our seperate ways and live happy ever efter... Peace and i have never taken a thing said to me personal and i apologise to anyone who has taken anything that i said to heart... there is goto be some other way to past my few minutes of break time i have... Peace be sent to you all from up above...
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 11:46 am what is up with you ppl blameing women then men for what is going on in Somalia. I think it's both men and women that have cause the problems in Somalia. We Somalians are very ignorant. We have no reaspect for each other and I thik, no I know that we should stop actin so stupid and take care of our country and stop it with this whole tribe thing it's getting too old. No one ever told me that somalia men were dogs, and if they ever did there would be a big problem right there and then.I might joke around a call somlaian men dogs but never would I let some fucken Idiot call our somalian men dogs..we do fight among each other but we are still proud to be somalians.what kind of fucken idiot would let some fucked up stupid ignorant white man call our somalian men dogs. that might not be the badest thing in the world but it still pisses me off.. Muck love,
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 12:33 pm Are you sure that is what the white men said? Somalimen maybe are not the most wonderful men in the world but the truth is %99.99 family can't survive without a man, and i don't mean fainantially i mean emotionally. Look at what happened to the somali families in the west. ya rab satrak
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 08:07 pm To the idiot that detailed a young somali boy's courageous fight with big white guys:Let me say this-white men are the most physically fit men in the world.Even without our nuclear bombs and high technology.Few black men could take us man-to man. Compare a skinny,145 pound somali man to a 6ft 2 200 lbs white man.Who would win?Face it, you n.i.g.g.e.r.s are out manned,out gunned,out smarted and out muscled.The aryan race could wipe out all of you black,ugly sand N.I.G.G.E.R.S in 2 weeks,if we wanted too.You are scum and you are nothing.Your country is in shambbles,you survive on wellfare handouts from white nations etc... You sorry mother fukas need to take your black,ugly asses back to your wreched homeland. PROUD ARYAN. RAHOA RAHOA!
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