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     | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 08:46 am Circumcision has been popular among African women for many thousands of years. Western pressure groups attempt to blackmail African nations into banning the custom, but whenever moves are made to do this, the streets are filled with happy circumcised women demonstrating their desire to protect their daughters' right to enjoy the same benefits. Here are some of the most obvious things that a girl gains when she is circumcised: * it is a rite of passage and proof of adulthood. One day she is a girl; the next, a woman; * it raises her status in her community, both because of the added purity that circumcision brings and the bravery that initiates are called upon to show; * it confers maturity and inculcates positive character traits, including the ability to endure pain and a submissive nature; * the circumcision ritual is an enjoyable one, in which the girl is the centre of attention and receives presents and moral instruction from her elders; * it creates a bond between the generations, as all women in that society must undergo it and thus have shared an important experience; * the girl will never have her conscience troubled by lustful thoughts or sensations or temptations such as masturbation; * there is little or no risk of premarital relationships which end in heartbreak or the stigma and social difficulties of illegitimate birth (this is especially so with full circumcision, i.e. all impure tissue is removed and the girl is sewn up until her wedding night); * the bond between husband and wife is closer because neither will have had sex with anyone else and the relationship will be motivated by love rather than primarily lust, because there will be no physical drive for the women, only an emotional one; * there is no incentive for extramarital sex, hence marriages are made more secure; * there will be far fewer rapes (especially in the case of full circumcision); * marriages are also made closer because the emphasis is taken away from sexual technique and performance; * children are better cared-for because there is less incentive for a marriage to break up, and because the husband can be more confident that the children are his. There are many ills in today's Western society which could easily be eradicated by the adoption of universal female circumcision with infibulation at puberty. Think of the positive impact on the teenage pregnancy rate in the US, which has been linked to the rise of crime and ghettoisation, especially for minorities. And it would create more peaceful, satisfied women - at the moment females are told that this little nub of skin, a vestigial penis, should have awesome phallic power. For most of them, it just doesn't, which creates dissatisfaction.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:32 am how can you say that you will know that neither the husband and the wife didn't have sex if you get circumcised? You will definitely know about the wife but you know every boy has at least had sex with 5 girls by the age of 15 years...I'm not stereo typing but it's true. Niggaz walk around bragging to their friends how many girls they been with.. So •••• circumsicion..Not everyone should do it..And how the hell is it a enjoyable time? what can you possibly enjoy? Your kintir being ripped by some wanna be doctor? •••• the presents...
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:57 am simply one reason, it's haram. it's a cruel method to control female sexual activity. it's stupid to think in this modern day and age that circumstion will really stop pr maritial sex.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 01:38 pm You're not a woman without it, it's as simple as that. Castrated like a cat! Cut the mans dick head off and let them feel what you are talking about here. Then let them ENJOY their sex life! YES INDEED! Right, it's haram!
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 02:06 pm Want a bebate u sick individual.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 03:41 pm Bravery you say? What about the bravery it takes for a girl who was not circumcized to avoid pre marital sex? It takes a lot for her to control her emotions and Allah SWT never gives something one cannot handle. I am not circumcized but Ican damn well keep my legs closed. Thats why I do not buy into all the hype about uncircumcized girls bein promiscous cause I am one and I keep my •••• to myself. Allah SWT ordered us to keep it till we marry and that is what I intend to do. Allah swt would not prohibit circumcision if there was any benefit in it cause there aint! Why didnt the prophet circumcize his daughters? Are u right and he wrong? Also I am not trying to diss but what about all those somali girls in different countries like Canada USA who do have sex u know they all refugees who were probably circumcized but they still sleepin around. I personally know girls who came only 5 years ago and already doin that ••••. It doesnt matter if you sewn up or down or not at all. It matters how you deal with it and if you choose to follow your deen or not. P.S: You said that you become wellrespected in the community if you are circumcized? Shouldnt you be well respected for following your deen?
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 12:18 am Guys in the western world don't have respect for circumcised women coz they are not considered WOMEN. Only (if they are lucky) a hole to put their dicks in....
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 12:34 pm Sure U may debate with my Clitoris......Let me give Little Pinky the Mike. Wanker
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 09:49 am I'M FOR THE PRACTICE 950% NOT ONLY THAT THEIR PUSSY NEEDS TO BE STITCHED THEIR ASS HOLES AS WELL................... LATER
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 10:10 am Salama... You stated to give a reason to explain why I decided to object, here is why I am answering your 'why' question. Fircoon had practised it. Enough. And enough. Looking further information or elucidation? I beg, that will be more than enough. What will be more grave than to practise what Fircoon, and Allah {S.W.C.} knows best who he was {or they were}, did. ____________________ Nabadeey!!
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 11:18 am I would like NiinXon to be circumsized from the a$$ and put an electronic alert device on his a$$ hole so that when he lets a dick inside him it will alert.FBI will take ten seconds to arrest him.DuH?
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 05:45 pm I am just stunned how can one be so cruel!
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 07:46 pm I have an idea Y'all! Just as African People circumsize their women, we should do the same for men. We should tie their dicks up, just enough so they can piss but not enough for them to have sex. that way, we can insure that THEY TOO DONT HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. See how ridiculous that sounds? Thats exactly how ridiculous FGM sounds. Its cruel, Its Inhumane, Its disgusting and its also the "Fircown" (The pherohs) way of going about it. How about we leave our genital parts just they way GOD created us! ain't that a new concept! but nooooooooo, not somalis! they dont listen to reason, they have to follow traditions even if they are 1000 years old. When do we stop being so backwards Y'all? when we come to western countries? when we get more educated on the rest of the world instead of putting our heads in the sand and being so introverted human beings? All i gots to say is .. GET YO ASS BACK TO SCHOOL AND GET SOME EDUCATION, maybe then Y'all can come back to civilization. Thank you for listening to my rant, Just ventin' at all the people who do support this mass mutilation thats on the decline (thank god) 1
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 08:37 pm DUH I'M I SUPPOSE TO LAUGH?! BITCH ASS MOTHA FUCKA WHAT ARE YOU ANYWAYS ? MAN, WOMEN ......?!!
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| | Saturday, March 03, 2001 - 08:46 pm ninxoon lol he-she is non of what u ask
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 02:23 am Somalinet Citizen; WELL SAID!! Finally a person with common sense here!! I have tried ventin' too.... 
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 09:26 am salaaz I think is a wrong thing to do if we continue this mutilation againts young girls. People get confused weather if this is ISlamic thing to do, or if Islam is against it. As Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar-Waryaa Said this was practise by fircoon. Why should we continue circumsising our young girls? So pple stop the nonsence. wasalam
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 12:34 pm I Disagree because of Two reasons. 1) It's Unislamaically. -Because Islam does not state in any where that the practice....the barbaric ritual practice exists.It was a silly culturely practice that was introduced by insecure somali Men. 2) Morally Wrong and Harzardly Health risk. -It is robbing the core rights of a woman to her body's natural ordanined privilages.It has health side effects that even make lives at risk of death from the numerous complications of the pratice. It is simply WRONG! Thats my statements! Thank you!
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 07:28 pm WHY? What kind of ignorant question is that? Are women pieces of meat U can cut up to ur taste? U like em cuts big or small? Ya allah, somalis will never learn. U know what would be a good lesson to all somali guys..who will eventually become somali fathers (like we need anymore corruption in this world..) Watch OPRAH's take on circumcision...U can mute out everything she's saying..and jus WATCH. The looks on the girl's faces..their SCREAMS and U come back here and tell us what U think of it. Yeah U tell them its for their own good, so that they can be controlled sexually by their husbands when their married..hmm, Im sure they'll understand. No doubt. Doqonmiiin I swear..what kinda freakin question was that?! Hears a bit of advice "Somali Fuckin Citizen"...a wise person was once known to have said "think b4 U speak" LITERALLY aight!
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 10:23 pm Its simply a nondebatable...issue!! U r being pathetic and heartless....none of what u said...made u sound any human .....so its my advice...think twice b4 u post!! Ciid mubarak...to all!!
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| | Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 05:41 am why should a female be circumicied in the quran it says its only suna for a female to be circumcised (mind my spelling) and anyways why should a female go through so much pain through out her life first when she gets circumicised then everytime she uses the toilet and then when she gets married and her husband and her will have many problems and when she is giving birth why so much pain when in the holy quran it says its only suna. and some men get angry when their wife is having to go through so much pain and they can't do anything about and some say that they don't care if she is going through pain or not. peace to you al' im out
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| | Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 07:20 am Not only is the opinion expressed by "Wantdebate" horrid, it is NOT his own. Copied from: http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/circumcision/response.html Do not think to plagerize...I am watching you... Anti-Plagiarism
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 04:32 am Women should be circumcized simply to for fill the insecurities of their husbands. These so called men who might have a heart attack to think that there vessel has been approached. So my sister no matter what you say or do, these poor unfortunate souls worry constantly about the chastity of their wives, mean while they may be responsible for misusing many women themselves. It scares them to know that some of us young women born and raised in North America and Europe, will not meet with the blade, and it scares them to no end, that we might leave these pitiful Somali men, for other handsome young Muslims who are assertive and proud of us. The more we are faced with our Somalian societies evils, the more we want to escape it's clutches. Circumcision is a horrrid act, it's an act of mutaliation. You men will never understand the kind of pain and turmoil the women who have faced it deal with. There is no anesthetics to go with it, and you people who suggest it should be ashamed of yourselves. You are not promoting chastity or in fact insuring it, it's barbarick and I don't care how our society feels about it. The cycle must stop, and if by any chance I hear a mother or family is going to circumsize their child, I would gladly call the authorites on them. For I feel it's a malicious crime against the defenseless.
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 04:52 am all the hoes who are sleeping with the enemy or even with somali guys before wedlock have their kintir hanging down to thier knees. So shall we just let our society go into self destruction? Ok let us do that for once i'll not be the smart mouth and i'll accept that there needs to be a limmit to female abuse in our community. I will promise to not let my daughers if i have any to bee damaged by her mom. Yes "mom" it is the females who conduct these affairs so stop pointing the finger at the men. Men would want nothing more then to be able to make their women have soo much fun that they would actually value our relationship even more... This place has lost all grace ACUUDU BILLAHI MINA SHEYTANI RAGIIM... This is all crazy people... ever heard of the 1bad apple ina basket of apples analogy???
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