     Governo | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 12:44 pm
early in 1975 Somali was facing crisis of drought and famine , and former dictator were allies former Soviet Union and most of his advices directed from the Kremlin .and its true the former Soviet helped the Somali's to re-settle people from drouth areas to the riversides south but in early 1976 the Soviet asked the former dictator to declare that men and women are equal and Kremlin insisted religion is threat to Socialism...and former dictator accepted and declared men and women are equal and any one resist will be execute but Elderly Cullumau'diin leaders challenged and oppose the rule ...and former dictator received the order from the Kremlin to carry execution to those who opposed his order..and the dictator carried out and executed ten Ulumau'diin Elders....the Same day two jet fighters collided over maka-almukarama road...from that day the public become very aware the danger ahead...and former dictator since then never get along the Somali public and forced him to terminate the Former Soviet Union Alliance... and started using every options and means available for him ....? and he killed to survive... and we must learn the past to correct the future |
| TroubleGirl | Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 01:03 pm
I understand your point dude.....by why involve Miss Trouble in it.....? Whatever I did........I didn't do it....... |
| Asho | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 06:43 am
never heard before ,why he killed them just protested or they start fighting the goverment soldiers .Allaha u naxariisto hadday run tahay |
| mujahid | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 08:24 am
the man who signed the decree to excute these innocent wadaao was the current so called interim of somalia c/qasim something...
it is very sad that those who killed our pple raped our innocent little girls killed our men are still around.
we have to united fight all mohamed siyad's regime remanants cos he was not alone commiting these inhuman massacre.
these failed their country and pple they don't have the skill and will and they are crminals rapers, child killers we have to fight fiercly and not to allow tro destroy what left for us |
| Turth-hurts | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 10:12 am
its true Siad ordered the Execution of this Ulumau'diin Elders. Many people who were part of that Goverment are now claiming to be the NEW Saviours of Somalia. C/qassim Salat, this guy never said anything about the crimes against humanity commited by Siad Barre, he did give out any apology and has not taken any resposibility for his part in that Siad government.
Now this is the question, how can you trust anyone who has not taken resposibility for his past actions ???
How can anyone such as him (C/qassim and others)be trusted when he was so blind to see all the crimes commited by Siad Barre.
I would rather trust Hussein aideed hundred times over this Salat Guy. He is only after his own selfish interests. He does not care about Somalia, he is part of the problem.
If you judge someone by his record, then C/qassim Salat's record is rotten. He has too many skeletons in his closet.
He has nothing to offer as a Solution. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 01:16 am
I think some of the information here is spurious. I find it highly suspect that the order to kill anyone came from the Soviet Union. They were unlikely to be directly involved in the internal affairs of the Somali state. Siad Barre didn't need anyone to tell him who to execute and who not to, he was able to figure that out all on his own.
Second, the Somali people did not force Siad Barre to terminate the alliance (which was terminated in 77-78, not 75), Barre terminated it when, after his invasion of new Soviet client Ethiopia, the Soviets had to make a choice. Ethiopia being larer and richer, was the selection, so Somalia got cast off. The Soviets of course tried to keep both doors open but that proved impossible.
Lastly, since the Siad government ran the country for more than 20 years, how do you plan to find people with government experience if you preclude all those who were members of the Siad government? Salats record may be questionable, but there are only so many choices out there. |
| Faaisa | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 09:47 am
<Salats record may be questionable, but there are only so many choices out there. >
I think that is very interresting point. We Somalis need to understand that we have to give up something in order to get a better one. I am not pro-Abdi-Qasim but I think If he can bring peace to Somalia we should give him a chance.
As for the above title, I am not sure if that started the Somali civil-war that seems to end the existance of any legitimate Somali government.
It that executipon that I heard many times, had been the roots of our today's problem, I am sure the situation would be different today.
Faaisa |
| Governo | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 05:54 pm
Mr Mad Mac ..Siyad Barre did order the execution with highly influenced from the former Soviet Union..no doubt about that..secondly read the topic carefully 1975 Somalia had drought crisis the story began and 1976 the killing happen..and from that time the former dictator his relations with the Somali public severely damage and the former Soviet relations started collapsing ,and 1977 he waged the war with the Ethiopians and the former Soviet Union allied with their new student Mingistu of Ethiopia .. |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 11:09 pm
Governo
I don't dispute anything you said (other than again, I am highly suspect that the Soviets cared one way or another who Siad Barre killed, as long as he maintained control. If these men were a threat to Siad he would have killed them anyway. He didn't have a problem with killing. And if they weren't a threat, then the Soviets wouldn't have cared about them either). But I would maintain that ultimately, what pushed Barre (and hence Somalia) out of the Soviet camp and into the American one was the war in Ethiopia. No war and Siad would have likely stayed the course with the Russians.
While we're on this subject. Can anyone tell me more about the backgrounds (pre-1993) of Hussein Bod and Abdi Hassan Awale? I really don't have much information on either of them and am curious what they used to do. |
| DREAMER_REALISER | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:04 pm
SHAME ON MUJAAHID AND THOSE WHO WANNA BLAME THE NEW SOMALI PRESIDENT.
WHEN WE GONNA ALL GROW UP AND STOP THIS IGNORANCE.
I BELEIVE MR. ABDULQASIM SALAD HASSAN IS A VERY RELIGIOUS, WISE AND DECENT HUMAN BEING WHO LOVES TO HELP AND DO ALL HE COULD TO UPLIFT HIS PEOPLE AND NATION FROM THIS TRAGEDY.
YEAH, IT'S TRUE ALL WE KNOW IS TO ACCUSE AND BLAME THOSE WE TRUST TO LEAD US BUT HONESTLY I HAPPEN TO KNOW BOTH ABDULQASIM AND ALI KHALIIF AND I THINK THEY ARE CAPABLE OF BRINGING OUR PEOPLE BACK ON THE TRACK. WE MUST NOT ONLY SUPPORT THEM , BUT WE MUST GUIDE THEM AND ENCOURAGE THEM. WE ALSO NEED TO GET RID OF WARLORDS AND THUGS DIVIDING OUR COUNTRY INTO FIEFDOMS .
NO MORE WAR, NO MORE CLANNISM AND NO MORE IGNORANCE..PLEASE WAKE UP AND THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE. STOP LYING AND ACCUSING. DO SOMETHING TO UPLIFT UPR PEOPLE, TAKE PART RECONSTRUCTIONG YOUR DESTROYED COUNTRY. MAKE PEACE WITH YOUR SOMALI BROTHERS AND SISTERS? IS THAT HARD THING TO DO OR A LOT TO ASK?
JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND PICTURE THIS....
SOMALI FLAG FLYING UP IN THE SKY, A WHITE DOVE FLYING OVER IT. SCHOOL KIDS WEARING WHITE CELESTIAL UNIFORMS READING QURANIC VERSES AND NATIONAL ANTHEM......MOTHERS IN BEAUTIFUL AFRICAN AND ISLAMIC DRESSES WAITING AT THE SCHOOL GATES WITH THEIR LUXURIOUS CARS....HIGHWAYS CONNECTING EVERY MAJOR CITIES TOGATHER, RAILWAYS, PORTS, SOMALI OIL COMPANIES,.........
DREAM AND DREAM.....
EXPAND YOUR MIND...
THAT IS EASY TO ACCOMPLISH WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS IF YOU JUST STOP THIS EGATIVITY AND SUPPORT WHO EVER IS TRYING TO BRING PEACE BACK AND LET'S GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
THANKS AND YOU ALL WELCOME |
| SweeTsis | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:05 pm
hey y all.
CAN WE FORGET THE PAST AND MOVE ON PPL.
PLEASE, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT OUR BROTHER QASIM DOES.
WAT'S MORE, PLESSE LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE DECEASED RIGHT NOW, COZ IT AINT PROVING ANYTHING.
BY THE WAY LETS LEAVE ALLAH TO DEAL WITH THE DEAD.
LUV & PEACE A'WAYS.
SweeTsis |
| MAD MAC | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 09:18 pm
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. What the Somalis need to do is put the past behnd them. A tough thing to do. |
| Xoogsade | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 06:44 pm
Mad Mac:
It is amazing how a man of such bottomless ignorance and awareness like you could be awarded a commission in the most powerful armed force in the world.
Having quoted Santayana's famous dictum, why do you contradict yourself in the very next sentence by telling us to put everthing in the past? Putting everything in the past is the reason we have anointed one of Siyaad Barre's most enthusiastic butchers to lead us into the new millennium.
I agree wholeheartedly with the man who started this topic that Somalia's problems started with the killing of the 13 clerics by Siyaad Barre in the seventies. Or more accurately because of the Somalis public's indifferent reaction to this most savage and barbarous act perpetrated by the odious and hell-destined hyena Siyaad Barre and his henchmen(Stand up and be counted Cabdiqaasim Salaad Xassan).
Siyaad Barre and his murdering acolytes took notice and encouragement when the whole Somali nation took it in their complacent stride as one outrage after the other was commited against our religious and cultural traditions:
The only people who made a principled stand and opposed the beast were these courageous men of religion who then paid the ultimate price with their lives.
Siyaad Barre and his henchmen(stand up Moscow-trained Cabdilqaasim)
1-Brought to our land the godless, Marx and Lenin-worshipping Soviet Bolsheviks
2-Brought in equality between men and women in direct opposition to the teachings of the good book.
3-Murdered 13 holy men who resisted these outrages against our faith.
Now Mr Cabdilqaasim, Siyaad Barre's eternal, never to be replaced, scarcely ever to be curbed minister wnats to lead our nation. Can this man give us assurances that he will not hang from the nearest tree our religious leaders on a future day when they might disagree with him?
The fact is every Somali is willing to swear blind loyalty to any political leader belonging to his own tribe no matter how murderous, corrupt, brutal and unjust that leader may be.
That kind of opportunism is what has laid our country low.
And you watch as, soon, I will be assailed from all corners by the descendants of Sade Mareexaan crying foul that I have desecrated the memory of The Great Helmsman Siyaad Barre, AAbbaha ummada Soomaliyeed.
Sibiisha Afrika
Naftiisu Saxara la mid tahay
Siyaad
Aabaha sakhraamada cusub
Siyaad
Sii jeede la fuushan yay
O brother this is so wearying and depressing... |
| Hudo | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 06:33 am
Governo,
The killing of that ten innocent ppl who were muslim -learners was certainly horroundious crime against both Islam and humanity.
May allah subxaana watacaalaa reward them paradise.
Mad Mac
I agree we need to move on and we do not have much selections.
Xoogsade,
I am mareexaan and I could not careless what you say about Siad barre. But your last sentence tells all about you. You have not answer the topic to give your account of the title but your madness about qabil drove you here.
Mareexaan are one of large somali clans, they live throughout somali terrotory from Ogaden to Kenya as well as the proper somalia. Siyad Barre belonged to that clan, however, he was a Somali president who had his very bad point and his good points. So, if someone wants to commont about that, it is none of our bussiness.
But when ppl like you who benefited from the region when mareexaans were scapegoated, talk like that, it is a reflection of the Somali clan mentality.
I was born in Mugadisho and our family were there for generations and my family could give you a good insights of how the somalis equely came to muqadisho and other cities and get educated, get jobs and new life. period only handfull of the somalis were going to schools and higher education.
I am not saying the government was good, I think, it was very bad one but it had some good points. and also its failure not to succed or not to be corrected has to do a lot of our somali quilties that is manifested from 1991.
now, we blame the Us intervetion, we blame the Islamic courts, we blame abdi-qasim. where are we going ? you tell me.
Yours sister Hudo
Hudo |
| MAD MAC | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 11:36 pm
Xoogsade
What I said is the Somalis should not forget the past, they should put it behind them. Not the same fucking thing. Learn to read dickhead.
And who would you annoint to lead you into the next millenium? Who has some experience in governing that has a squeaky clean record? Hell, that's hard to find in a "normal" country, let alone one that's suffered a 20 year dictatorship and then been ripped apart by 10 years of civil war. Face it, no matter who ended up as the "president", and I use the term loosely, there'd be lots of criticism. Perhaps old Abdi has learned something from the past. Or perhaps not. I'm still in the wait out mode on this one.
Xoogsade, you love being the critic, but I have yet to hear any constructive comments from you. What practical solutions do you have to deal with Somalias current political impass? What do you recommend?
Hudo
A lot of good points there. Man I miss Hamer. Where di you live? I spent most of my time in Medina. |
| Justice4ALL | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 07:20 am
This is the ONLY viable solution...
A war Crimes Tribunal for Somalia. Plain and simple.
If they committed No crime while in power then they got nothing to Fear.
If the U.N can have one for Burundi and another for Bosnia, why not Somalia ???????????? |
| Anonymous | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 07:47 am
Because somalis are hard heads, and would not let the un make a peace in there!!!! |
| Anonymous | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 08:34 pm
it seems Siyad Barre was right ,if I loose the power I will leave behind only land ,,,look around ,,warlords all of them bloody hands and scary tactics...Abdullahi yusuf equal Siyad Barre and Farah Aydid,,,Egal crazy old fascist from the beginning up to now confused and wrong....what Somalia need is young Culumau'diin who take care this mess and may Allah {swt} guide them every step of the way AAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMIIIIINNN |
| MAD MAC | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 08:47 pm
Justice4All
Who would arrest your perps??? There's a problem. Everyone is guilty, there are no innocents, at least none with any power. To get power you had to be a ruthless SOB. So where does that leave you? The UN has no power in Somalia. no ability to arrest people. Who's going to bring all these criminals, large and small, before the court? |
| No-justice-No-Peace | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 03:03 pm
The War criminals are all over the place not only in Somalia. Mad Mac your thinking is at times troubling. You seem to think shallow at times. There are Many of this war criminals who are now living in the U.S (Virginia, Columbus, San diego, e.t.c) yet they have been granted safe heaven. Is it because maybe (if they are arrested) they will expose the dirty hand of Uncle Sam ?
This cirminals are not confined to Somalia, they travel all over the place why is the U.N not after them ! why not indict them, just like they did Milosovic (sp)The U.N has no power to arrest in Yugoslavia but that did not stop them from indictting the War criminals there did It ??????
Why the double standards ????
Somalia is haunted, untill those criminals are brought to justice there will be no peace. |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 10:00 pm
NJNP
Saxib, I am a student of the school of real-politik. The reality is no investigations have been done, Somalia is and has remained a backwater. If YOU really wanted to do something to bag war-criminals outside of Somalia, i suggest you work with like minded fellows to put together a list of folks (and witnesses to their crimes) who have committed crimes and lobby the UN to set up a commission to deal with it. That's what happened in the case of Bosnia. The UN is you and me. These things gain momentum becuase the people of the respective countries lobby to make them happen. Stop talking about "they" and recognize "they" are you. |
