     Muna | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 06:35 am
A Salute To Somali Men
Everyone reading this either:
1. Is a good Somali man
2. Has a good Somali man
3. Knows of a good Somali man
4. Will be blessed with a good Somali man soon.
Good Somali Men are indeed all around us. We pass them on the streets, in the malls and the halls at work. Most we can't see because we don't know what a good Somali man really looks like.He usually isn't flashy enough or rich enough to turn our heads. He might not wear a suit or drive a Lexus. He might not have a "body like Tyson with a Shamer Moore" But, as you mature, you realize it's better to find someone who's got your back, than someone who turns your head. A good Somali Man doesn't agree wholeheartedly with everything you say. He doesn't just tell you what you want to hear and do the opposite. He doesn't declare how sensitive, sweet, caring, sincere, yada yada he is (he won't have to because it shows). He has his own opinions and you may clash, but he doesn't have to degrade you to prove he's right. He even admits at times to being wrong, especially if you are willing to do the same. A good Somali Man is not going to meet every item on your checklist. He is human with frailties and faults mixed in with all of his wonderful, strong attributes. He needs your love and respect. He needs to feel that you don't live to "catch" him doing something wrong so you can declare, "Aha! I knew you were a dog!!" A good Somali Man doesn't necessarily give you a huge birthday or Valentine's gift. (sure would be a bonus if he did). He shows his love in the ways that are comfortable to him. Don't judge him by western standards. No one is really living a fairy tale. You'll miss out on your own fairy tale by buying into the myth that our men are no goodor romatic. It's just not true. Somali Men, we love you, & salute you, and thank you for who you are and all you've done. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 07:08 am
Muna
I'm impressed to hear your acknowledgement of the existance of a good Somali man contrary to our women's believe. All you said is true and correct.
May I say, many wonderful and beloved sisters are also out there who are the voice and representatives of our people!
Wabilaahi tawfiiq |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 07:10 am
Dont make me puke. |
| Honesita | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:05 am
Muna.......i liked the way u put it all together sistah.......20 thumps up girl...!!
Everythin' u said about them is true too......there r the bad ones.....many of them.....but a lot of them r sooooooo damn sweet....good lookin'.....sexy and every good thing u can mention in a guy.......no one is perfect and everyone has his/her bad qualities.....but we r 4 each others and we cant come up with anything better...!!
Anonymous.......i'm sure there r restrooms where u live......if u really wanna puke....go there and take ur nasty outcomes with u please...!!
Salaam |
| Somalim | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:08 am
Muna hats off to you . I bow down in your presence
Blowing kisses your way muuuuuuuch muuuuuuuuch muuuuuuuuch
Just as I was losing faith in our women and then you came along sweet as sweet can be babe
A TRUE SOMALI QUEEN INDEED |
| Mr. T | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:11 am
Finally, a girl who appreciates us !
There is hope.
Mr. T |
| Somali-Yankee | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:15 am
Hat's off sister....you said it all...we are afterall human being....much love |
| jaylani | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:00 am
well done sister...and thank you
for sharing your pricless posting |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:11 am
Salaamu alaykum Muna
By Allah i never heard a poem which is more truthful and truth revealing as the one u've written, what can i say- i am speechless. You may have opened a lot of eyes....... You are what we need ...may Allah Reward you for your good thoughts..
masalama sister Muno |
| spike | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:17 am
waw, noname calling in this postings.
ha, i think we could be civelized if
we want to be. even jaylani is behaving
her, that is impressive. hats off to u all
especially to my love , who is not a teen ager no more, just 9 more month. lol |
| Guled | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:41 am
Plenty of luv for ya sista Muna. One of a kind in deed. As my man SomaliM put it, when you are about to lose faith, an angel comes on ur way to remind u that we aint supposed to give up. U may fail at times in some endeavors but you keep trying. What I am trying to say here is don't lose faith in our queens as there are many well-mannered and honest sisters.
Again, I earned my respectz, Much Luv to ya..
Guled |
| Guled | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:42 am
Oopz that should be "You earned my respects sistah Muna"....
Guled |
| F.O.B | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 10:26 am
@MUNA THIS IS BEAUTY
Women in general give moral support to their family and friends.
And all they want back is a hug, a smile and for you to do the same to people with whom you come in contact. You made my day!
Women have a lot to say and a lot to give.
and you prove that!!
That was sweat!! |
| Ciiserooti | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 11:36 am
It's about time!! I've waited & waited & waited & waited & waited for you....Are you married Muna?..Cause if not, then we belong to each other.
Uncountable kisses Sis |
| Muna | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 11:41 am
To All:
Thank you all for your wonderful comments. I have seen a lot of negative name calling among men and women here on this forums and though let me play a small part and write something positive about our men to let them know how we feel about them.
I know for a fact no one can love a Somali women like a Somali men and its time we recognize and tell them how much we appreciate them.
I could never insult our men, its like insulting my father, uncles and brothers. A Somali man is going to be my husband, my son and nephew, so how can I not but love, support and appreciate them.
I hope our men can do the same towards our Somali ladies. |
| Muna | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 11:43 am
To Ciiserooti,
LOL..
Thanks bro. And to answer your question, No I am not married. |
| Durgal | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 12:45 pm
It is encouraging news. |
| Xoogsade | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 12:53 pm
Weligay maxaan idiin sheegayay. walaahaan loo helayn gabdheheena kuwo ka fiican.
Gabadhan Muna-na anigaa aqaanoo waa:
Tallaabada midaad ugu bogtoo uu rag wada toyday
Tolka iyo miday derisyadii uga tudheen ceebta
Oo aan talada waalidkeed kala tageyn waana
Oo tiirisoon hooyadeed tacab khasaareynin
Oo Tawlan loo bixiyayoo qurux la tiicaysa
Aan tegin cayaaraha gabdhuhu tumanayaan leylka
Oo toban da'deeduna shalay toddoba dhaaftay |
| Guled | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 12:54 pm
Muna, you can't be that smart, intelligent, outspoken, positive, considerate, caring, thoughtful, gentle, understanding...da list goes on and be without a man. But I guess I am da one you were meant to be with. Forget Ciise Rooti because he might be better than me in terms of baking bread, but he doesn't toast the salad like I do and I doubt he got what it takes to take care a cutty like yourself. So where the hell can I find you?
Much Luv
Guled |
| WIILSOMALI | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 03:21 pm
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw Iam melting like an ICE here pleas could some 1 put me back in to my fridge. thanks MUNA it's your poem that is melting so bad internally.
as the folk on tope mentioned how could it be possible some 1 so sincere is still single.I WONDER?
CIISEMALWAX you have asked the big Q and get the answer u were salaphating 4 now what, will u bake your self or bake some 1 else. I personaly think you should (Cajiin) your self and leave sweety MUNA to none baked bros like me.
what do u say Muna? |
| NINXOON | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 03:29 pm
muna
I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YOU:MaStEr PiEcE ) |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:07 pm
I wanna make a lot of enemies now; even though they have always been ones, and made us all males look like fools, so be it!
Jaylani, Spike, Ninxon (Who might as well be undercover,) and others, they know themselves well, no need to mention names. Now, it seems after an extensive psycho-analysis that they were just demanding ladies' love, attention, and affection, nothing more! Why so, you might wonder. After these names appeared on Somalinet forumss, there were a lot of upheavals about female bashing and witch hunting for all women. While forgeting that their mothers, sisters, and perhaps their girl friends were all women. Anyhow, now that a girl with a common sense and good natured behavior comes along; they're all melt like an ice, and acting like the true gentlemen that they were supposed to be from the get go. Whomever Muna might be, you trully made them the fools they always deserved to be.
Furthermore, I don't have any regrets whatsoever to feel sorry for these souls, since they thought that all their bad boy mannerism could have achieved them fame and maybe some affection from the same laddies they were so badly trying to hurt. Now, that this thought has evaporated just like cloud in the morning sky, I just wonder how will they react henceforth, after ashamedly proven wrong, to show more respect to the same females whom they were so badly wanting to put down, but obviously put them on a higher pedestal as shown from this posting of Muna's!
Finally, I wish to know what Xoogsade was saying in his posting! Even though, I believe he converted from his past staunch female bashing activities.
Have a good one now. |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:09 pm
Looks like Ninxon beat me to the posting! After all I didn't guess wrong! |
| NINXOON | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:29 pm
Sagittarius
YOU AIN'T NOTHING BUT PUSS*Y ASS WEAK MOTHA FUC*KA
PUNK WAKE UP AND SMELL THE UNSII THESE HOS AIN'T GONNA GIVE YOU NO KOCHIE SO SAVE THE DARAM FOR YOUR UGLY ASS MOMA. SOME OF YOU MEN ARE BITC*HES TOO. YOU WANT TO BRING , BRING IT FOOL . I WILL FUC*K YOU UP. |
| jaylani | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:37 pm
SAGITTARIUS,
1st of all...the reason you see me here with out
using any profanity or bad language..is simple
the sister said and posted Avery nice piece
of words...and they were true...
why in hell you want us to disrespect the sister??
are you just looking for war to start???
i'm not dump and stupid like you son
i disrespect bitchs only(that includes you)
i have no beef or problem with decent somali women
that do respect somali men...
i have 1000 pound beef(grade A)with bitchs and whores that think they can come here and disrespect
somali men based o nothing..and fools and idiots
like you just watch and don't say nothing..
if any thing we are doing you and punks like
you who can't stand for them selves a favor.
and 4 your own info...
i'm not here to be famous...for god sake
my real name not even jaylani bitch...so what the fuc^k are you talking about????????????
if any one is looking for some attention up in here is you bitch....
so let me ask you this foooool
with good post like this(thanks to sister MUNA)
what did you expect from any decent som,ali man??
nothing but a smile and joy knowing that this is
how our queens think of us...
so if you have some beef with me personally...
then bring it on bitch...other than that
keep these three names you mentioned off your
filthy,stinky refugee ass...
attention seeker mothafucka
to muna,\
sorry sister i didn't mean to get nasty here
but sometimes i have step down to some ppl's level
which is in this case below the grounds..but
i had to put this bitch(siugtess)in his rightful
place...yeb...the garbage |
| ZX | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:47 pm
Sagittarius
HAVE YOU HAD SEX LATELY?
ARE YOU GAY?
WERE YOU MOLESTED AS YOUNG CHILD BACK IN MOGADISHU?
ARE YOU RETARD ?
DO YOU NEED EXTRA ATTENTION FROM LADIES?
ARE YOU WEARING A DIAPERS AS WE SPEAK?
CAN YOU HOLD YOU OWN FECES?
DO YOU NEED A BIT*CH SLAP, RIGHT ABOUT NOW? |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 05:10 pm
Ninxoon,
You trully lived up to the same fool you always had been, and I am not gonna disrespect you as you would want me to. However, if you think that you're standing up for us in this manner of yours, then you didn't stand up for us in a manly fashion. What kind of a man are you to only call names on women, especially Somali women, when the fact remains that any sensible man would have shown and proven differently. Thus all you proved and stood up for thus far just belong to stupidity's page, and I wouldn't want to be part of your page. In fact, all the women reactionaries you've come across in this forumss since your respectable arrival, had only been trying to use their heads instead of their.........
And in case you guessed wrong, we're not here to get some attention, love, attention, or KOCHIE as you mentioned from the ladies in these forumss, but only respect and learn from each other NOTHING MORE. Therefore, boy aren't you so disappointed to find it otherwise! |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 05:31 pm
Jaylani,
Your case is totally different from that of your friend Nixoon. I liked the fact that you tried to explain manly enough what you stand for in a broad sense, even though you used obscene language, I just forgive you for this moment, but don't overuse it.
Dear fella: can I mention that you called me son, that's fine for now-as long you don't call your real son all the bad names you called me above. However, you seem to be intelligent enough to explain to me and Muna, that you respect decent women, but how on God's name would you explain your obsessive behavior on calling any foul name in script thus far any lady that tries to be sensible or insensible to describe her feelings! It's pure immaturity, as you and I aren't the guardians of Somalinet, all we can come up is just correct their perception if at all wrong, which I doubt is the case most often, since I've observed that most Somali women complain about immature and insensitive Somali men who disregard their intellect and true nature by engaging in chauvinism, tribalism, and sexism favoritism to show how manly enough they are! Therefore, my friend; maybe you haven't analyzed well what they are saying about you, but just reacted accordingly to their beleifs, which only proved right what they were saying all along! |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 05:40 pm
Zx,
Did I forget about you! Yes, I did, didn't I? But you only showed up yourself as many others will!
I didn't know anybody would come here for sex, unlike you! Maybe you thought the forums name was Somalisex instead of Somalinet...lol. What a dissappointment!! |
| ConspiracyTheory | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 05:54 pm
MUNA
God-Dayum gurl, U jus gave away all our secrets..I guess U didnt get the lil instruction booklet. And hey, if the brother can turn ur head, it helps too! We all know there are great brothas out there, but honestly, y'all need to show ur true colors at times, u might actually receive some POSITIVE vibes from sisters..i dunno, its just a thought rite there!
Peace, Luv n Nappiness
One! |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 06:37 pm
Dear good fellas,
You might think you're the smartest souls around with your foul mouths, but the fact remains that no one is smart unless they say something smart. And in your case if you've something against women in particular, I therefore can only direct your attention to the Women's forums, since all the persausion from heaven cannot divert you from HOLLY WAR, which seems to me had been enoughly waged under our noses, thus we seem to be either secretly in alliance with you, or to be powerless to confront your shameless crusades against women.
Moreover, we didn't only tolerate your female bashing, but you as well turned this forums into an Amsterdam pub! And in case you were wondering where all the smart intelligent people had gone, they just got tired of your stupidity hard rock heart. In fact, you might as well think that I was here waiting in vain to capture the queen of my heart to come along. But how deluded would you be, if I acknowledged the fact that I had to sneak into Somalinet forums just to be among my fellow countrypeople and when my Darling approaches me I had just to switch to another pre-set browser so as not to expose to her on how my country-people perceive women in general, or in reality discuss among them! It may only be wrath that I am trying to simmer on you but you only evoked it! |
| Gabar-Fiican | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 06:45 pm
Muna thanx sista for the poem, and if i may add this too i love my somali people(men&women), coz we all are related one another!
To Sagitarrius:
Walaaalo, don't waste another time with them, it looks like they got nothing else to do ... They always browsing around , and i don't know about you but i have noticed that they keep changing their names and post new message in every other minute.
After reading many of your writtings that you have posted in here, i have to tell you that i enjoy reading your posting and drwho's too.. I would like to thank you for the positive attitude that you showing us and Keep up the good work.
To bad boys: Well i am looking forward to hear your b*tch/bastards/h*e/pu*sy what story's..GOT ANY NEW VERSION WORK LATELY coz we kind of tired hearing the same old thing all the time...
By the way , go ahead say what you got to say, i don't mind you saying that coz i really CARELESS about your SAYING since i already SEEN how worthless it is to CONSIDER what ever you got in mind and how naive you are guys walahi i feel sorry for you...Wonder if you were raised in a decent home walaahi..
I ONLY SALUTE NOT TO ALL SOMALI MEN, BUT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO GOT SOME RESPECT FOR THEMSELVES..... THEN SURELY HE WILL HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR HIS SISTAS..
Take care of yourself and may allah Bless only the GOOD/DECENT ones..... And the REST go to HELL! |
| jaylani | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 07:00 pm
Sagittarius,
here's my answer,,,,,
i will give you a minute or so and go read your
first initial posting..............
did you see you your body language????????
you didn't come a cross like some body who wanted
to pass a friendly advice or even constrictive
criticism..you came across like somebody who had
alot of HATE and BITTERNESS towards us(me,ninxoon
and spike...later zx)...and it was not what you said that got to me frist...it was how you said it.
and simply i don't like NO BODY to talk to me like that.....and i hope that doen't happen again
so it didn't look like you were sincere at all
most likely it came out like you were just
HATING(which i still belive that was the reason
for your senseless posting)...
anyway, i will try my best to keep it clean and short...
i will give you another 3 minutes to go up and start reading the topic from the top until you reach your first posting and STOP please.......
did you see how positive and clean it was....
until your majesty arrived and infected the whole
entire page with negativity and hostile environment....so if your intentions were all good
""WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBTED""...you didn't do any one good
you could just started a topic in your Owen with
our names on top and we could all discussed this
at least away from this nice topic???????
one of the things that made wonder about you!!!
in conclusion,
i'm not here to be a hero nor famous...i'm just
here to say what i'm aginst and don't belive in
and i'm very sure you know what i'm talking about
in that note....i'm done and i'm out |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 07:40 pm
Jaylani,
As I said above, I can still sense the sagacity in you, and boy do I appreciate your approach of showing me the aloofness I tried to engage you! Thus I am only very much appreciative of your cordiality, and can only say thank you.
In addition, I hereby quote your posting;
"so it didn't look like you were sincere at all
most likely it came out like you were just
HATING(which i still belive that was the reason
for your senseless posting)...
anyway, i will try my best to keep it clean and short..."
Matter of fact, I don't have any grudges or ill feelings against you, as we're all virtual people behind the computer screens, and how we judge each other, is based on what we write on these forumss. Therefore, I might have been biased on judging you based on what you wrote. But anyhow, still, whom am I to judge you? For short, all my judgements are based on wasting talent, time, and effort against something unfruitfull as being sexists. After all this is not a choice we make, so as to be a boy or a girl, and it would seem very incredulous to disorientate ourselves accordingly! No amount of bashing or hate would change a girl into a boy or vice-versa, so why waste time and energy converting each other. I can understand that many girls that you come across aren't saintly either, but you know what "Tit for tat," never changed the status quo.
Finally, tolerance and being perceptive as you did with me, can sway anyone even an elephant from its course. Therefore, I might be sorry to had come on you filled with hate as you indicated, but don't you think that any lady feels the same way if outrightly called a whore, and all the bad names instead of being perceptive as you are doing with me now...please we're afterall humans..and let's tolerate each other..peace and love. |
| Xalane | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:44 pm
Caano afkaaga lagu qabay ,,gabar ducaysan oo Somaliyeed ayaad tahay Ilaahay dhib kuma tuso
AaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmiiiinnnN |
| jaylani | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 08:44 pm
SAGGITTARIUS,
i respect your better aproch ,and message
well recived......
however, i will take your word for just been
concern and not hating ..and i hope i'm right.
by you been surprise that you are engaging
in a conversation with me without foul language
and in a civilized behavior...tells you who i'm
replying to!!!!!!
and i hope you don't get biest on me on this one..
when a woman calls you a fag or m/f or basterd
or this or that...what do you expect???????
even the ones that i call whore or this or that...
i don't call them that unless we had prior conversation that was laced with profanity from her side...and the time jaylani or ninxoon open
there mouth to defend them selves...all of the sudden we are nasty,talking down to somali queens
and this and that...you see where i'm going with this...hope so
i never attacked a sister for no reason just
because i hate her user name or....
i just show my ugly side(which i don't like to show)only to those who went too far..that i had to
step down and get to their level....
and since you mentioned it....
you see when i post a positve note just like
the one i started with in this topic
i got attacked from WHO??? not other than you
not even the women i called names which will loved
to do the attack for you.....
so if i go negative i got attacked...
if i go positive and supportive to a sister i got
attacked.....help me out with this picture |
| MNman | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:18 pm
ALLAH YAACIZAK |
| Sagittarius | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:24 pm
Jaylani,
I couldn't agree more with you about some girls as well being foul mouthed and stupid, but honest to God, no matter what you say about their stupidity and call them all the names even devil would feel shy about, you can never win their good side, thus as a result we all end up a bunch of immature people insulting each other! And I believe, that's not the image Somalis want to convey to anyone who visits this forums Somali or Non-Somali that Somalis are only capable of showing their true bad nature.
Again, let me admit, that I deem highly of your respect, and for at least responding back to me. But maybe you see things from a different angle than I do, so how would you convince me; my dear brother that your way works the best. Since I came upon Somalinet, I came across a lot of interesting postings, and some that really pissed off my true beliefs. And yet again, I didn't react unintelligently so as to piss them off, but rather conservatively made plain and simple that their argument was baseless. Had I reacted according to their concept, then I would have degraded my true standings and given away my faltering soul.
At this point, I don't want to remind you that we all differ the way we see and perceive things, but we're all equal in how we feel that thing which stings!
Peace and love again |
| jaylani | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:37 pm
i wanted to say so much more but i have to go to bed soon....but it was nice chatting with you
and please read my last posting(the last 3 lines)
and answer my question if you don't mind
since i was talking about you in middle line
but as i said b4 it was plesent exchanging
views with you ...also i don't want to take
the space from other ppl who might want to say some positive to sister muna......
unless you want jumb them too(just kidding ?
\i'm out... |
| Ice-Man | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 12:54 am
Lets say your poem forced me To write Muna wonderful and very kind words
Thanks.
I hope Muna ( other Somali women) would be a good lesson To you Those men who bash and insult Somali women here All the Time.
Later |
| Gabar_Xun | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 03:48 am
Muna girl i got to say ,this is how i always felt it towords our brothas and thank you for speaking out loud for us girl, i am sure the rest of girls would be proud of you since we dunno how to tell them.. you were there to let them know...
Gabar fiican define "decent" since you have used it a lot of times, girl after all no body is perfect cappishe??? Looking forward to hear from you...
ciao |
| Muna | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 05:30 am
To All,
I sincerely wish we could change how we address one other. Respecting yourself is to also respect others and carry yourself in a humble way. Also if you don't have anything positive to say to someone then bit your tongue; after all why waste your time and energy
I have learned in life, " you catch more flies with honey". Saying a nice or kind word to each other does not take much effort, and it goes a long way.
So my plea to you all men is please to refrain yourself’s from using foul language. I am sure you do not go around using that language around other people, and if so why subject it to us?. Is that how you resolve issues? There is more to communication then name calling, yeah its true no one can here knows you personally but "why subject your brothers and sisters to such nasty words"? Maybe I live in “lala land” where I still hope our men to be more dignified then what I see here on these forumss.
I am disappointed in some men’s actions or behaviors but I am not going to give up on our men...I hope you guys prove me wrong. The poem is how I see our men and its because I have had positive man around me most of my life , my father ( my god rest his soul in peace), my brothers, my uncles… to me Somali man deserve respect and love from us, but as of this minute I demand the same respect from our man. Its starts with one kind word, a smile and from there it takes a life of its own.
Ninxoon, Jaylani, and Sagittarius
First of all thanks for your comments. Second please lets drop the bashing. Sagittarius I agree with you on the image we are conveying to anyone visiting the forums is not positive and you were trying to address that issue and your points is valid, but also on the other hand you were angry and that is what others reacted to.
I did not plan on writing a book so I am gonna cut it short. Please people lets be nice to one other.
Peace to you all. |
| CritiqueOfpureReason | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 06:16 am
Let me be an old cynic.
I find Muna not to be a female, I think because what she had said is full of dilapidation, because, Somali men can be rich and sensitive and they are able to buy loads of gifts, so why are you praising our shortcomings. Would you chaps see a female who is that articulate would come up with an immaculate and unpolluted idea. As I said I don't believe a single word we says, may be he/she is trying to attain some publicity thorough, I have to say a commendable cause.
Muna/ or whatever your real name might be. I understand you are being consummate to Somali men at large who crave to get hold of an intelligent, undemanding, and economical to maintain Somali female. That is why you have all these rectitude posting which you have anticipated came through huh. I have to say; you understand fully the common Somali man's psyche.
Keep the good work and do keep enthralling these innocuous people. |
| Muna | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 06:34 am
To CritiqueOfpureReason,
You really crack me up. I am 100% female and have no reason to pretend otherwise. I do not need attention...I just wanted to share my perspective on the matter and if you don't agree with it, and then I respect your opinion. However, I am still a sister, at least the last time I checked....lol.
I did not praise shortcoming of Somali men. I did not say they are not sensitive this is what I wrote "He doesn't declare how sensitive, sweet, caring, sincere, yada yada he is (he won't have to because it shows)” meaning he does not have to say because actions speak louder then words.
What is up with the man here some of you can't handle compliments or what? |
| yassin | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 07:26 am
Muna well done sis, and thanks for sharing such a wonderfull piece. The chanllenge is on us guy's, we have to change our ways. Its time we trear our ladies with respect. |
| ChicaBonita | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:09 am
Sista Muna,
Gurl, I totally agree with you. Thnks for restoring some faith both in brothers and sisters in this forums. We need a different attitude. One that is based on RESPECT and TOLERANCE.
To Sagittarius:
This is my 1st time reading your post in here, and let me tell you......I salute you. I love your attitude. You're not naive, chauvinistic, tribalistic, and sexist ( or so you appear), and its about time that some stand upto the fools in somalinet..and the general attitude among some males in our community. I'll write more later, since time isn't by my side. Be peace My P-pul~~~~ |
| Sirrus | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:13 am
Muna
With your permission, I would like to print your Poem, put it in a big glass frame, and place it on the ceiling above my bed, so that every now and then when I am thinking somali women don't deserve me, that I am too good for them, all I have to do is read and be brough back to my senses.
Honestly I am impressed... We do we hate each other when we actually love each other. Think about it, me and my friends go to clubs together, just to dance and have a little fun, just to relax from the stress of rigarous university life, then with all the white, black, indian and chinese women flocking in our direction, we seem to look for that beauty we call somali women. As we notice one in the club, we see her in the arms of NIGGGER, just then we give up on somali women, we utter such words as "she is a •••", and "once I finish med school I am marrying a non-somali", then the day after I read this article on the net, and I think Hmmm, "maybe not all are the same"..
Anyway good job. |
| Jamac | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:26 am
MUNA
I SALUTE YOU SISTER. YOU HAVE RESTORED MY HOPE IN OUR GIRLS. I WISH ALL THE GIRLS WOULD THINK LIKE YOU. |
| suhuur | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:29 am
muna wow, i have been away for a while and guess what the first thing i read was your posting, it moved me sis. well done. |
| Abdi | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:07 am
muna
Can I marry you? Will you have me? I promise to make all your dreams come true, give me a chance. Girl you are the lady I have been looking for all my life. Sis tell how I can get contact you.
I know the competion is touch, but I am for real sis, give me a chance.
Abdi |
| ninxoon | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:32 am
Sagittarius
listen you punk ass I' ain't for popularity contest nor I'm here to make friends , but it seems that is you purpose so here are few web sites that may suite you:
www.i want to be an all american.com
www.quarter-backs in H.S.com
www.most likely to make it.com
www. popular student.com
www.i'm the man.com
so, fool go and check out these addresses and drop my name ,punk ass motha fu ckaa.
gabar fician
go and look for you kinter bit ch , that is more important than bashing ninxoon or jaylan, zx, trick. |
| Ciiserooti | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:42 am
Guled
What's this sudden competition? You know what, that's exactly the Somali way. dukaan aan furanaa, waa iga daba furee, farmashiyaan furaa, waa iga daba furee. Muna aan damcaa inaan arooso waa iga daba aroosee. Stop this Somali trend. At least she won't starve in my care.
Abdi
You are too young, aabahaa aan kuu sheegaa inaa gabdhaha dadow faduulineysay, orod soo kaadi ee seexo
Muna I'm still available |
| SomaliCream | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:45 am
Muna
Good piece of work, u actually made me beleive in our men again. But then again i beleive that there are only some good somali men and they deserve to be saluted, but not all somali men are good. |
| Punkester | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:52 am
WOW
No words can discribe the shock I am going through. Lady where are you and how can make you mine?
Ciiserooti, muna does not want a baker, she wants a real man. Damn, I wish I could have you. |
| Guled | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 09:56 am
CiiseRooti, brother u can't be wanting Muna and expect not to have a stiff competition. Let us a face it, it seems our fine and genuine girls are small in number and thus health competetion will be the logic thing for us. Well, u said Muna aint gonna starve in your care, but how about tossin her salad? You didn't say anything about dat Ciise!!
Well, let's wait and see what Muna has to say. It is one of two, to be with a guy who is gonna bake her a bread and a guy who is gonna toss her salad. Since she is a queen, da choice is hers and all we can do is see and wait.
Guled |
| Muna | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 10:13 am
Hello to all:
I am impressed by the response by this posting. Sirrus, by any means go ahead print it and hang it up your ceiling, if it will remind you that there somali ladies who still respect and want somali man.
I am gonna play a devils advocate here, how does the somali girl at the club feel when she see's the somali man with some white, or african american lady? Should we call you names?
Yassin, Somalicream, Chicabonita, Suhuur, Abdi, Punkester, guled and Ciiserooti....tnxs.
By the way guled I like bread, but I also like salad...I can't choose. |
| Punkester | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 11:33 am
muna, I am waiting your response sister. Ignor those other loser and come to me. I will give you my email if you say yes. |
| Xasan | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 07:42 pm
Sagitarus
can't you see jailani, ninxun, zx are all one and the same person, reading their postings afgter you wrote that peice they all responded within less than ten minutes difference, they must be either livinng in the same place or they are all in one with multiple personalities.
HERE IS THE EVIDENSE.
nixun posted @ 09:29 p.m
jalani posted @ 09:37 p.m
zx @ 09: 47 p.m
ignore this fool. |
| Samiir | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 05:57 am
To Muna
Your're absolutely right. But the reality is that there are always good and bad people everywhere regardless of their gender, race, and religion. However, as far as Somali men are concerned, I believe they are one of the best, if not the best, in any society when it comes to raising a family. Not to mention the irresponsible, Qat chewing compatriots.
Can a Somali man tell his wife to pay the bills lor her rental share?. Can he ask her to pay her jewellary and clothes?. Can a good Somali man be suspected ny cheating on his wife?, or is he sane when he's molesting his own child?
The relationship between a good Somali man and woman is that of perfect match up. Understanding and good communication is, thus, a necessary thing.
To Xoogsade
I'm glad you finally changed your negative attitude towards our Somali women.
What a fascinating poem! |
| ninxoon | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 06:09 am
xasan
should you qualify for the Nobel prize for your astonishing discovery!sh*t head get the fu ck out of here, punk ass. |
| Anonymous | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 09:56 am
YEAH YEAH. ALL IS TRUE. |
| Sirrus | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 09:58 am
Muna,
certainly I will print it now. When it comes to you playing the devil's advocate, I disagree, seeing a young somali punk with a white or black girl, is not the same as seeing a beautifull somali girl with such foreign men.
Girls are worth more than guys, if that fact is not clearl to you buy now I don't know when it will. Us guys are expandable compared to females.(not me of course), just take a look at clubs, girls pay nothing, while we pay, girls get asked out, while most guys don't, girls make the choice, while guys compete (take this site for example), in short they are worth much more.
You are right neither the somali guys nor the girls should go clubing or go out with foreigners, but if I were to choose the lesser of the two evils I would not have our precious girls with guys intent on getting them, drunk,pregnant,diseased and ruined. As for the guys (Somali Punks), well they are like "SPERMS" expandable and numerous , as many die, more come to take their place anyway. |
| Anonymous | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 10:06 am
sirrus,
cut the crap out.i dont see any difference between bad somali boys and girls. |
| Muna | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 10:09 am
Sirrus,
Have you heard of having your cake and eating it too, cos that is what it sounds like what your are saying here, that its ok for Somali man to go out with whites or blacks, but the same does not apply to the ladies...hello....what is this double standard? I hate to see a Somali man in the company of foreigners while our sisters are sitting there and watch you with them.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gender or we as a society should stick to each other like it was meant to be. I am not advocating that Somali ladies go out with black or whites, the point I am trying to make is that our men should stop rubbing in our face the privilege they have by solely being a man.
The other point is I have seen a large number of girls impregnated by Somali man and left behind, so its not a problem that occurs with dating outsiders. |
| sheikh cabdi | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 12:24 pm
well. sister muna may allah bless your soul. your message was simple to read yet extremely complex to grasp for some of the bro and sis that exchange the usual insults in the forums. i liked how you came up with the attributes of a somaliman" which was a very realistic one, rather than the "romeo" that every sis dreams to have him in her life. we, as humans have the potential to be good ,or bad . we also have the capacity to change for the better. the meanest of us could become the best of us ,the best of us could become the worst. our mutual interest lies in the acceptance of one another. we have to understand neither the women,nor the somalimen are perfect,and none of us should be naive to think that they can find happiness by dating or marrying foriegn women. in summary we have to look each other in a different light.
ps bro saggitarius, why are you engaging the youngmen jeylani and ninxoon. being such confrontational willn't do any good. i think only constructive criticism should be used to reason with the young men. iam not that old(28) ,but hell i used to think that i was the toughest man when i was younger. the only thing that they want is respect. i don't agree with their methods,but attacking them is not the best way to deal with them.
bro saggitarius , i wanted to hear your response to the topic "a poem to somalimen". what say you bro?
to all peace and love |
| Sagittarius | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 01:40 pm
Sheikh Cabdi,
I agree with your point of view, that constructive criticism is the only way to go with every human being! However, sometimes one may get the impression that we all agree with their bad mannerism and support their efforts to do so. So in my confrontational engagement with this gentleman was constructive in a sense, since we finally came to a mutual understanding. Furthermore, if you read my postings, not only did I apologize to him, but also indicated the source of my anger and misunderstanding. Anyways, that's a done deal now...at least I hope.
About the topic itself, in general I respect all human beings male and female, but in particular I am always more inclined to stand up for women issues, and the reason being; that for a while women had been subject to a lot of male injustices and we took the female factor for granted. Besides, it maybe more related to my upbringing and growing up that the female factor played such a role in my life.
On one hand, I don't believe that humans are confined to their own kind because of cultural and regional limitations. Matter of fact, I might be happy with someone from a dissimalar cultural background because of my propensity to discover and know about others. But on the other hand that's not to say, that I deem unworthy or disregard completely the cultural factor. Finally, you may realize one point in time, that personal relationships are built upon whom you know and how you know them, instead of what cultural background and where they came from! |
| Abdiqani | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 01:51 pm
NOTICE: to all woman, this is not to offend you, but it's an issue that needs to be highlighted probarly.
Dear muna, well said. It's nice seeing a young somali woman not loosing hope in these free spiritied creatures called Somali men. Nevertheless, about the issue concerning somali men Vs woman & the double standards, i do not agree with you. Why? Like Sirus said, woman are imporatant. As you know, in general they form a large portion of each & every sociey, not numerically but the intangables they bestow-compassion, patience, perseverence etc. Similarly, Somalian woman mean more to the Somali people than men do. Mind you, us men are imperative as well, but it is ur position in society that makes u important. At an early age a child benefits most from the mother because of what the later relays to the child. Often times men are at work & hardly spend enough time with the child contrary to the mother- who is constantly breast feeding & generally taking care of the kid. Consequently, your importance as woman can't be overstated & is unparalled- u bear & raise children. Second, sure, woman can go to clubs, but can you stand men you've never seen in ur life rubbing their manhood on ur behind when those lovely reggae tunes bang on. Let me be more explicit, do u like the same men felling u up( carresing) in ways u normally would not like. If you do, question is what are you? Better yet how does sciety & ppl see you? 'They be like she's a •••'. Of course, what others say should not matter, nevertheless, the stigma based on such societal construciton is something that can't be ignore & understated. So for anyone else who has no idea of who you are will refer to u as a woman who is nobody. As a result, just from a night u went out ur grls, ur value as a woman will be diminished because of what happened at the certain club u went to. Values? Yes u heard me right, values- the meaning that becomes associated with you as soon as ur name is brought up. The label that overshadows you as a woman. I see so many woman, when their names are brought up, someone will say, 'yeah i know her, she's a •••'.Why is the situation as such? Essentially, it's all how woman are seen, & frankly, woman are placed at higher padistal than men because u can give life with the help of Allah. Of course it's wrong, to have one gender get away with having more enjoyment than another. It's just not fair, palin & simple. But at the end of the day, when u really vet( search throughlly) into this issue, woman are at the heart of how our societ runs, tis the reason ur role is different. Now, if u view this under the perspective of western thought & ideology, it's all meaning less, aburd & categorically incorrect. In contrast, if u view this in accordance with our somali vlaues & ways, it's makes sense. We have our flaws in our culture but it works for us. Third, ur family reputation depends on this. How would like someone telling ur mother/pops, some guy u hardly knew was mashing(naughty artistic movements) you up on the dance floor last night? It won't go well with your family because of what's at stake, thier repuation & how others precieve them. So it's all based on integrity, dignity & reputation, this is the reason why woman should not go to clubs, particualrly our beautiful somali woman.Once in a while it's cool but every night.....You do more harm to yourself than needed. As i said above, all this is outrageous if u view it from the western contex. However, reasons why somali woman should not go to clubs are rationalized by our Somali ways & culture.whether you agree with it or disagree with it is not the issue, as long as you are a Somali individual that's how you will be seen, period. & as u know woman are seen in a special light in our culture. Your guys are frgile, weak, u need us to care of you ( JustaPlayinRelax). Also, religion plays a big part too. Let me ask you this, would send your daughters to go clubs, if yes, why?.......... |
| SIRRUS | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 01:54 pm
Muna
A double standard exist, only so long as you view the sisters to be in "equal" and I mean "western equal" mode with the brothers. I am not advocating going out with foreigners, for that will cullminate to the dilution of our race, culture and religion. What I am advocating for, is the fact that our sisters don't need to defame,dishonor and subjugate themselves in the eyes of those kafurs. Brothers they are a lost hope, I have seen them, drink, smoke and refer to their somali women as "my baby mamma" To be honest, we admire your self control and perseverance to withstand such social pressures. We live in society where what was bad in our homeland is seen as good. The liberty is given to both sisters and brothers, no one is holding the sisters back from indulging in such filth. It is their choice and greater character that is witholding them. Please don't look at it as a advantage, for something to be classified as an "advantage" it has to be better than its counterpart. Going out with foreigners, going to clubs, drinking, smoking, forgetting one's religion and origin, is not and advantage and certainly non to be rubbed in your face.
In the same manner as you allustrated the good character of "good somali men" I would like to be the first somali brother to take my hat off, for withholding your moral ground, a good sister is strong, versatile and persevering.. Much love to my strong somali sisters, for your hard work you deserve rewards both on earth and in heaven. |
| Alipapa | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 06:43 pm
As expected my head is down with sadness and sorrow. I, alipapa, a well-known devil's advocate and a die-hard somali women hater is here sitting on ass wondering how this bitch, muna, undermined my wholsale-hate ideology. Amazing!.
Truth be told thought, this bitch isn't easy.She turned up all tables and forced all my bad-boys band to bow down. She earned some respect from even me, uncle Satan and his dad(iblis).
You see, it would have been futile if the bitch would said "somali men ar cool and all other unbacked up blah blah blah". But looks like this bitch is realistic-school-of-thought graduate.
Carefully, she outlined every aspect that somali dudes can be stereotyped, yet she made up excuses to cover their asses. Well, the fact she praised in those skiny assed creatures and made them some kind of kings wasn't what suprised me most. nor was that what made this bitch's piece so damn attracted to every god-damned reader.It is how realistic the bitch is.
Muna,
bitch you earned my little disrespect. It is because you undermined my hate ideology. And do me a favor. will you?. When next time you are about to tell how somali men are cool to your audience, COUNT ME OUT!!.
Sagri,
What you are saying about those bad-boys band is damn true. But then again jaylani said it all. there is no room for bad boys band here to disrespect muna. Those boys aren't "born-to-insult" humans. They reason. They are human beings. They have been abused, degraded and unappreciated all along. they are just fighting back to save their little left male ego.For sure, they need to be loved and appreciated. And if their females don't appreciate them, they do get respect from others. You can see when one like muna comes along how they appreciate her. You are unfair this popular band, bad-boys band.
Alipapa. |
| Jamal | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 10:24 pm
Assalamu Alaikum,
Mashallah, that was a beautiful poem sister. I am speechless. I never heard such a poem from a sister. I would also like to keep a copy of your poem. I would probably put it on wall of my room.
I never or will never lose hope from my beautiful Somali sisters. For they are the most caring, understanding and sweetest women in the world. Indeed, they are the most beautiful women in the world as well.
Dear brothers and sister, all of us are human and have fallacies. Let us respect each other and embrace our differences. Let us not insult each other. Respecting your brother or sister is respecting yourself.
Sister Muna, your poem was the most exciting thing that I have read so far on this website. Thanks. |
| SomaliCream | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 12:18 am
To Abdiqani
My god I have never heard such double standards coming from someone who sounds intelligent. Let me tell you something in Islam women and men are “equals” and I repeat equals, so if something is wrong for a woman it is also wrong for a man. How can you say that women are put in such high position in our culture, if so then why is it men need to bad mouth and wreck the reputation of Somali girl? If you see a women in a club dancing and enjoying herself what the hell is it got to do with you, keep your nose out of her business, she know where she is, she knows the consequences are, she is not stupid. You’re only jealous because you want to be that guy who is dancing with her, and it makes you so angry that she is not giving you a chance. So what do you do other than take revenge by disrespecting her and calling a ••• or bitch to your boys? You are the ones who are responsible for wrecking and spreading lies about her lifestyle. Just ignore the situation why is it affecting you, is she family to you? If not leave her be.
And tell me another thing why should it seem worse when a Somali woman is out with foreigners than a Somali man? When a Somali man goes with other cultures his reputations also gets wrecked, his potential for being a future boyfriend is gone, so what applies to us also applies to you. A man also needs to keep his dignity, reputation and respect, so why should women be the only one who needs to be careful and cautious of her actions?
“Women are seen as fragile and weak and we need to take care of you” please stop with the nonsense, as times moves on women are becoming more strong, independent, and does not need a man to take care of her.
A parent does not intend to send their children to clubs; when they become older children make their own choice whether to go clubbing or not. The parent did the best they can, teaches them the wrongs and rights; it is now the responsibilities of the child to take notice of their actions. |
| jaylani | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 03:00 am
SHIKE ABDI,
brother abdi...i think me and sirguttis..talked
and and talked...and we came to understand each
other's opinon...
why you bringing my name again SKIKE????????????
unless you are waiting 4 me to..........
which i won't |
| SIRRUS | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 08:38 am
SomaliCream
Please try to read sentences in full, rather than picking and choosing what suits your argument best. In Islam, we are equal but seperate. Men are men..... and women are women.... this doesn't not mean equal in wester view, where a woman also has pardon my language, a "virtual penis". Equality in the west means, a woman can do as she wishes, hell she can even sleep with 300 men in 10 hours if she pleases. This reminds me of an old story I heard.
This girl in the Riverine region of somalia, slept with this man, when her dad confronted her, she told him, "no dad he didn't F$ck me, I F$cked him, I was on top". Is that what you mean by equal, where girls are on top.
Look, we are somalis and we are muslims, which means we are responsible for the honor of our family, of our parents who sacrified everything to bring most of these ignorant kids to this country. I grant you neither the boys nor the girls should indulge, but what ever you do, do not even think we are equal, or dissolve the greater honor you carry. Sorry to tell you this sweety but your body doesn't just belong to you, to do as you wish, it also belongs to your families honor period, and no ifs or buts about that.
A MAN IS VALUED ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS AND ACCOMPLISHMENT
A WOMAN IS VALUED ACCORDING TO HER VIRTUE AND PURITY. |
| SiswhithSense | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 08:50 am
Sirus
I said F$ck you, you r an ignorent azs holle....some when like u acting he knows all...r responsible driving women to dig the Dirty in the West...when I read your respond I feel punching u on the Head......look at you who make only a women Valued on Purity? MEN Ignorent Men like U....and look at u r lying about Islam......as much as men Valued on his DEEDs...Allah (swt) make Value for women too.....Stob mixing a Religion and Culture.....that is what makes Somali MEN.... IDIOTS........cuz when they want Put Somali wmen down ...that is the only time they Remember Islam........and guess what they Expect Someli women don,t nothing about Islam....ok......so Islam amke MEN and Women Equal.....when it comes Purity and DEEDs.....Allah does not say all O Man u look COOL when u r in the Club....and women r B*s when they Come the Dark holles u went B$ them.........my advice learn Islam......and Learn what is Vlueable to HUMANS......u r Sexist....OLD man!. |
| SomaliCream | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 10:24 am
Sirrus
Maybe you should go back and read Abdiqani comments. When I am talking about equality I don’t mean the western view, what I meant is if a Muslim woman sleeps with a man before marriage it is wrong due to our religious beliefs, this also applies for man. What Abdi was saying is women should be judged by their actions, but a man can get away with it. So are you agreeing with his double standard view? In Islam we are all judged the same, it does not depend on your gender.
Look I was not saying that a woman was not responsible for her reputation and family name, what I was saying is this does not only apply to women, a man is also judged by the way he carries himself through his name, reputation and actions.
As for your last comments, well I guess that is your view that I definitely disagree with. |
| Sagittarius | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 02:18 pm
The whole cultural concept of how women should behave within society is based upon the fact that male superiority had been so prevalent and actively persistent that led finally woman to give up, nothing more. There was no as such thing prescribed in the commandments as "Thou shalt respect your men only" it should be mutual respect. For instance; if we say women should cover themselves it only means that men should not feel lusty and thus feel exhalted as a result. Why shouldn't it be, that men (Moi-meme inclu)should practice self control while only blaming our shortcomings or limitations on others.
Alipapa,
If you can find your solace and comfort in others, why bother on putting them down in this virtual world! Let them be as they let us be....you can use all the obscenities in the world, and it will never change a thing. Matter of fact, it will further strengthen the other party's conviction that Somali men are indecent and immature. Anyhow, your postings are among the few I enjoy reading on this forums, keep up the good job and make it clean. |
| Akhyaar | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 07:22 pm
Asalaamu Calaykum:
Muna,
Walaal muna aad iyo aad ayaad ugu mahadsan tahay murtidan quruxda badan ee aad bilowday! wooooow, what can i say, Allaah yaa cisak abaayo, Adigana waxaan kuu soo hibeeyay heesta xaga hoose ku qoran, adiga ayaan kuu alifay waanad u qalantaa intaas iyo in ka sii badan walashiis!
Gaf anoo aan sheegayn!
Aan Garawsho bixiyee!
Inaad tahay mid geesi ah!
inaad tahay mid gaari ah!
inaad tahay mid gacalo ah!
inaad tahay dhal gobanimo!
Waxa aad ka garataa!
Gafka iyo xumaantiyo!
Hadalada guracaniyo!
Gunuunuca iyo yuuskaba!
ma gaydidoo walaaleey!
gobanimaad u hadashaa!
markaad golaha joogtee!
Garta aad naqaysana!
Garab kuma dhamayside!
Guntigaa u xirataaa!
Xaqa waad garwaaxdaa!
Raga waad Galadaysaa!
Gabdhahaad u hadashaa!
Guurtidana tixgalisaa!
Guushiyo nasiibkaa!
Garabkaaga joogoo!
Gobtii aad ka dhalataa!
Gamaan faras wanaag badan!
kugu soo gardaadshoo!
waxaa tahay dhal gobanimo!
Gaarida haweeneey!
Gabdhaha ugu horaysooy!
Gacalooy walaalshay!
Geesi sharafta loo qiro!
Gabdhahana xushmeeeyoo!
Guhaad iyo colaad layn!
Gaaf wacan aroos wayn!
Guul iyo barwaaqo leh!
Garabkaaga laga yeel!
Guulayso waligaa!
Aaaamiin, Aamiin, Aaamiin!
Waa Walaalkaa oo sharaftaada u bogay iyo murtidaada iyo qaayahaaga iyo fakarkaaga wanaagsan ee xurmada iyo qadarinta mudan!
By Akyaar |
| Muna | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 07:24 am
To Akyaar,
Thank you so much for that wonderful song, I must say I enjoyed it.
Alipapa:
I have not addressed you in a vulgar manner why do you feel the need to call me or any other Somali lady in such way? What happened to civility or mannerism? How would you feel if I referred to you in a derogatory manner or insulted you?
Question for you, Does insulting people make you feel good about you? Or is it just second nature for you?
Sirrus:
I understand the point you are making and agree with you on some issues. However I think it boils down to self-respect for oneself and making right choices in life. As Muslims we need to lead a balance life in the west, which upholds our religion and culture, but at the same time respecting choices others make. Yes there are brothers and sisters who make bad choices here in the world, but it was the same back home too, it might not have been to this extend. The question I would like to pose to you is how do educate or increase awareness for our people in a manner that is empowering?
A REQUEST TO ALL:
Please lets respect each other, we don't have to agree with everyone opinions but nonetheless respect their ideas and make your point without insulting anyone or resorting to name calling.
Peace to you all. |
| SIRRUS | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 10:07 am
SiswhithSense
You are not making any sense to me at all, your anger and volatile thinking are shadowing your better judgement.
Muna
The answer seems straight forward and clear. To establish Somali youth centers. A place, where our young males and females can socialise and become aware of each other. A place where our society, culture and religion are held up rather than subjugated to western propaganda. When I was quiet young, I used to think our culture was backward, our society savage and religion restrictive. It took some maturing to overcome such thinking. I figured the reinforcer of my bad thinking was TV and lack of somali companionship. In short getting our youth together would certainly curve the deviance.
SomaliCream
I repeat
"I grant you neither the boys nor the girls should indulge, but what ever you do, do not even think we are equal, or dissolve the greater honor you
carry"
I concur, the male of the family has honor to mantain as well. That we are equal in the eyes of Allah. But grant me this, the girls have a greater responsibility due to their biological value. Getting pregnant or diseased from foreigners or somali boys is just as bad to her family. The boys have a moral and religious obligation not to engage in pre-merital sex. In short neither should indulge. Most importanly somali girls should cease with this equality, and contemprory feminism. Back home they were free, why must they act like they just obtained freedom?
As for Abdiqani, I was there when he was writing his article, I asure you his view is not one of spontanous birth nor baseless. Most people become irritated and upset when either the truth or sensative issues are touched upon. Which is the case here. |
| Somali | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 01:35 pm
Muna,
thank you for the fabulous poem.
sirrus,
i was reading what logic guy said in the other topic "tell me your major,students only" .
i compeletely agree with him knowledge broadens one`s mind and thinking but seeing most of young ppl here its the opposite except sagittarius,muna durgal and may be couple of more!
Looking this matter Men and women are equal as Islam stated and they are equally valued according to their virtue,deed and purity!
are you saying men can stay inpure(dirty) and still be respected and valued in front of Allah and society?
Here are words of Allah,as you can see men are valued on their purity too!
" Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty ; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof. " [Quran : 24.31]
" Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty ; that will make for greater purity for them, and God is well aquatinted with all they do. " [Quran : 24.30]
" And O ye believers turn ye all together toward God, so that ye may attain bliss. " [Quran : 24.31]
i dont see any point to argue about it,if you have enough knowledge whether it is Quran and Sunnah or science you would see the real answer. |
| Akhyar | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 02:18 pm
Muna
You are most welcome, Keep the good job up my dear sister! and I am very sure you will be rewarded in here or here after.
May Allah reward you with Janah Fardawsa sis
Amiin, Aamin!
Akhyaar |
| Muna | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 09:43 am
Akhyar,
I have a question for you, what is my reward based on? |
| Akhyaar | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 03:45 pm
AWWB
Dear Muna
It is based on your heartfelt poem, I have read your poem again and again and I find it very healing, so I thought it would be very helpful if I express the way I felt about it.
Peace and Love sis |
| SomaliCream | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 03:38 am
Sirrus
I am not upset and i asure that his comment does not apply to me personally, I was just expressing my view.
I do however agree with that some somali women and men do act as if they have just obtained freedom, and i can't answer for there actions, it seems like just because they have moved to a western country they need to act like them and dress like them , forget about religion and culture. |
| SIRRUS | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 09:25 am
SomaliCream
I don't make any pre-assumption that you are upset, all I know is you are verbally defending your opinion. Thats fine, I also notice we are not of the same view. I personally don't care much for the status of somali males, I have seen too many of them rouming the clubs and speaking as if they were not somalis at all. The girls on the other hand mean much more, and thats an area of the somali people I do not wish diluted, polluted or simply mislead. Thats probably wishfull thinking, as the somali boys and foreign boys will do anything to twart those girls in the wrong path. Add to that, the somali girls willingless to say we are equall and hence we can do anything the boys do....
So you see, you said the same words as those girls, "we are equall". Everything else we seem to be of agreement. |
| SomaliCream | Wednesday, April 11, 2001 - 01:35 pm
Siruss
lets just agree to disagree, we both have different views , otherwise this conversation would go on for years lol. |
| Sirrus | Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 09:04 am
LOL
I like that, "agree to disagree", that makes you cream della cream in my book. |
