     Anisa | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 05:54 am
Hello everyone.
Is this something that is bothering me alone or there are people who are feeling the same way that I do.
Every little corner I look there is almost, always, a Somali brother who is complaining, and whining and moaning and groaning and grumpling about the somali ladies.
"somali ladies are mean, they have Attitude, they don't obey us, they don't listen to us, Somali women this, Somali women that," on and on and on.
On the other hand Somali women are trying to be "decent" and taking all the crab from the guys.
I wonder what caused them to be this way cuz back home they were respectful towards the ladies and satisfied with whatever we offered them. Now it seems that they are always mistreated or we are not being fair or we don't do like the white chicks and yada.
It is true, just go and check the forumss in this Somalinet or any other somali forums and discussion and see what I am talking about.
It is not our fault that we treat you the way we do cuz in a way you deserved to be treated that way. There is an old saying that goes "in every women, there is a queen inside of her, talking to the queen and she will answer you." In other words you simply get what you give.
It is also true that there are some Somali ladies who will fit into the descriptions in one way or another, but is it bad to generalize everyone.
The only thing I am wondering about is why is this happening when we came to the western world and everything was fine back home?
Everyone who will not be emotional and use bad words is welcome.
Have a nice one.
Anisa |
| modey | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 07:11 am
Men are not complaining they are stating the facts of somewhat erroding coastlines of the somali nation. The depletion of our women's moral coastlines is not being caused by the mansoon tears of the male population.
As for the changes that have occured as a result of our transplant from home to the west the operation was involuntery.
There is a definate change in terms of fe/male roles as a result of female education and male depresion. Woman's abilities have been magnified 10 fold on the other hand men are what they always used to be. Men have not changed the female perspective of thier men has drastically been altered by endless wester mental re-enforcement of liberalism and feminism.
We aren't all useless good for nothing men without direction or goals ok! We too have been altered in many ways, never before have somali men show thier true feelings and expressed their emotions to their females. Never before have somali males respected their females as equals. Never before have somali males shared duties with their wifes and actually encouraged them to carry on with theit education and self development. Never in the history of our genous figmentous have males allowed their females to run a house hold and taken the back seat.
I don't know what pages attact your lonely wondering eyes my dear lady, but i have mostly encountered intelligent sisters and brother exchanging ideas and thoughts at all levels that are possible to the human mind. If you somehow experienced the negative alone in your browsing through these pages then it is your own mistake and i don't think you have the right to point fingers at anyone so as to make yourself feel more important.
There also a very well known saying "Sleep with dogs expect to share their fleas".
Sister check yourself before you reck yourself. |
| SUNTA-HARGAHA | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 09:01 am
MODEY
YOU TAKEN EVERY WORD I WAS ABOUT TO EXPRESS OUT OF MY MOUTH TO THIS SO CALLED LADY, BUT IT WOULD BE TIME WAISTING AND DISRECPECTING FOR ME TO REPEAT WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID, SO I WILL CONCLUDE BY SAYING "EVERY BIRD FYLIES WITH THIER OWN KIND", IF THAT IS TOO HARD OR CONFUSING FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND UNDERLINES YOUR LACK OF EDUCATION OR SHOULD I SAY YOUR LOW LEVEL, DEGRADING SOCIAL LIFE, WHICH WHOM LED TO YOUR "IMMENSE", KNOWLEDGE OF SOMALI MEN.
LOOKS LIKE YOUR REACHING TO HIGH FOR YOUR OWN LEVEL ANISA " GOD THE NAME SAY IT ALL", YOU MUST BE A LONELY WOMAN.
"THINK BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH", I HOPE YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON.
MODEY TAKE CARE MAN, ANISA I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. |
| Anisa | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 09:14 am
Hello,
Dear Moday
Good points bro, but everything I have said is just out there.
You are talking about how women are encouraged by their men and how they are being treated equally since we came to the Western, but my question is, How come we have not seen all of these opposing and arguments when women were "granted" equality to men by our former president? About going to work, well that is simply a need cuz the man alone cannot handle the needs and the wants of his household therefore any wise lady jump to the rescue of her husband and give him hand with the work or any other need.
As I have said before it is bad to generalize the people and I appologize for doing so myself, but the truth of the matter is that, yes indeed, there are intelligent people in the forums, Nevertheless there are ones who don't see or don't want to talk about it at all. The only thing that they are pointing fingers at is how displeased they are with the somali women.
Even you, my dear brother, have mentioned how it is the women that have changed. On the other hand I am standing here saying the same thing in regard of the men and according to what I see or hear on daily basis, it is our precious brothers that have changed and all of a sudden started demanding for more of things that we have no idea about. It has nothing to do with mind alternation due to the western ideology or anything in that sort, but it has everything to do with change of prespective on the mens' behalf.
As for your statement about the "transformation is involuntery," Why not take the good parts of the "transformation" and leave the not good ones alone because the ones that bother me the most is when my fellow brothers start speaking giberish and nonsense.
Hope you will understand where I am coming from.
Have a good one and keep the discussion without any hurt feelings.
Anisa |
| calinuur | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 10:00 am
Waan ku salaamay anisa ugu horayntii. Walaalo horta waa runtaa oo waxbaa ka jira waxan aad ka hadashay, laakiin adiguna waad sii badbadinaysaa ee wax saa u wayn maaha. Anigu sidaad arkayso waxa aan wax ku qorayaa luqadii aan u dhashay waxaana jeclaan lahaa in aad dhamaantiin kuwada qori lahaydayn tii aad u dhalateen waa haddii aad u dhalateen dadkan aad ka hadlaysaan. Adigu waxaad wax ka sheegtay ama eedeynaysaa nimanka soomaaliyeed laakiin aniga dhamaan rag iyo dumarba wax baa si ka ah. Waayo haddii aanu caadi nahay dhamaantayo luqadeena ayaanu kuwa sheekaysan lahayn. Mar walba waa aniga sida ay ila tahay waxa haboon in qofku luqadiisa isticmaalo waayo haddii kale dad badan oo ajaanib ah ayaa ceebeheena ama xumaatadeena na daalacanaya mana wanaagsana. Shaqsi walbana haddii uusan ku faraxsanayn dadka uu ka dhashay iyo dhaqankiisa iyo luqadiisaba waxna dad mataro tiisana meel uma gaaro. Raali iga ahaada dhamaantiinba haddii aan bado kale galay. |
| sis.K | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 10:37 am
Anisa the answer to your question
is,the men are feeling useless.
You see back home women depended
on their men,but now in the west
there is no need for that,because
even when you can't work there is welfare etc.
So the only thing left to do for them is
complain,they are losing control so in-
stead of looking at this postivly the
just bit*h about women,that way they feel
that they are superior!
Ofcours i'm not talking about ALL men.
Just the ones who are hating!
A kind sis |
| sis.K | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 10:39 am
Anisa the answer to your question
is,the men are feeling useless.
You see back home women depended
on their men,but now in the west
there is no need for that,because
even when you can't work there is welfare etc.
So the only thing left to do for them is
complain,they are losing control so in-
stead of looking at this positively the
just bit*h about women,that way they feel
that they are superior!
Ofcours i'm not talking about ALL men.
Just the ones who are hating!
A kind sis |
| Anisa | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 04:21 pm
Dear Sunta Hargaha,
Without going any farther, you have proven me right.
You see, if I am wrong or misunderstood, which I am pretty sure is not the case here, You can correct me without putting me down.
You can tell me what I have said in the wrong way, but you can not do that, can you?
Why in thunder do you have to talk about my big mouth or my low level of education or anything big or low in that matter? Just explain what is happening to my fellow brothers in a decent manner or else just don't say anything at all. It is somehing that is tru and that is happening all the time, but what is the cause? What are we doing differently in the Western world?
Have a good one.
Anisa |
| Basra | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 06:53 pm
What are you talking about anisa? looool I love our Somali brothers.They are the best.
To Somali Brothers -: 'WE LOVE YA"
looooool 5th amendment. |
| Yusuf | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 07:17 pm
I left somalia when i was 7. Now i am 20. I have never been married in Somalia nor have any relationship with no one other than my family. I dont know what the hell you're talking about Anisa. Most of y'all sister in western sociey are money loving hoess. They love your wallet more than UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.......... |
| Somalim | Friday, April 06, 2001 - 08:09 pm
Anisa
sis you have raised a very important question,I have been thinking about it for quiet sometime,is it somali-men or somali women who changed alot since we had to leave our homes and immigrate to the west?
there is a somali proverb which says"dhariga waxa kar'karka ka'keena waa dabka in english what makes the water boil? it is the heat...
my point is been walaalo as somali males here in the west we feel betrayed by our own country women,we feel the heat from both this gaal society and supposedly our counterparts somali females..back home women stood their grounds without putting us down,I agree that the older generation have mistreated women and denied them basic rights,but do you fight fire with fire??
almost every somali man feels powerless in these strange lands and to have them against you and to have your country women against you are totally two different matters,all across north america,europe you hear of somali women kicking their life long partners to the curb and in some cases bringing in others i.e.jamaicans.
I know not all somali women go out with jamaicans and to generalize is a bad thing but the numbers are souring,and the solution is complicated,when I first started browsing the somalinet.com over a year ago the main subjects were somali male bashing, stereotyping, jhad chewing,coffee shop frequents, good for nothing creatures,I must admit it was embarrassing and quiet disturbing to find out that you're worthless in the eyes of your own female population!
now the case is different,some young somali men have had enough of it and they decided to retaliate by all means necessary,ninxoon,jaylani,kh,zx,ali papa,xoogsade and jaber are only few names in this endless war between ganders.walaal to point fingers at one another will not save us from this holy gender war, girls defend girls and boys stand up for boys aren't we all the same!!?
we need each other to make it through these tough times,somali males need somali females and vice versa is accurate.
as you can see Anisa I have restrained myself from using profanity and I hope those who come after me will take the same path.
have a nice day or a pleasant evening. |
| Anonymous | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 07:29 pm
The somali guy has one enemy: Somalo woman. They hated all along now they got the means, lol. Whitey gave them the power and they are exercising it. What does whitey get out of the deal?
Broken homes that will supply the underclass of tomorrow because you don't want everyone bein engineer and doctor, someone has to work at the factory and the 7-11.
That is how the black people ended up so messed up and we are heading the same way cause the Somali woman is not smart enough to see the long term, lol.
But this is my opinion only and you know what they say about opinions: they are like an assholle, everyone has got one looooooooool |
| Anonymous | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 07:30 pm
The somali guy has one enemy: Somalo woman. They hated us all along now they got the means, lol. Whitey gave them the power and they are exercising it. What does whitey get out of the deal?
Broken homes that will supply the underclass of tomorrow because you don't want everyone bein engineer and doctor, someone has to work at the factory and the 7-11.
That is how the black people ended up so messed up and we are heading the same way cause the Somali woman is not smart enough to see the long term, lol.
But this is my opinion only and you know what they say about opinions: they are like an assholle, everyone has got one looooooooool |
| Somali | Saturday, April 07, 2001 - 07:42 pm
Yusuf,
you are contradicting yourself.
you said
" I have never been married in Somalia nor have any relationship with no one other than my family"
then you go
"Most of y'all sister in western sociey are money loving hoess. They love your wallet more than UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.......... "
I dont understand how you came up this conclusion of somali sisters when you never had relationships with any somali women other than your family, or are you talking your family members??
and i cant understand how you could talk about big wallet esp when you only 20! it may be big but i am sure empty one. |
| ZAM-ZAM | Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 10:48 am
Hi Anisa, how are u sis? I totally agree with you on this one, men do complain a lot but so do us females.
I love AAAALLLL my fellow muslim brothers, simply because they are our men.
It is very true that we should not generalise, however i have seen many times where men have given us (women) a reason to not stand by them. And at one point in most women's lives some men do and say things that makes us women doubt Somali men. I could give you examples but there is just no point.
I think that Somali men and women do respect each other and we see that respect being demonstrated in every day life. Exept that is, for the small poppulation of indaviduals who demonstrate unacceptable behaviour towards the oposite sex which is both against our religion and our culture. Some of the users of somalinet.com are a perfect example of the small poppulation that we should target to wipe out.
Thanks for creating this conversation Anisa and tnx 2 everyone esle for making it clean and a pleasure to take part in.
C'ya soon inshallah |
| HaTer-GirL | Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 11:50 am
aniisa
you will be surprised when u find out that not all somali men are like that it's just a lil minority group of guys with no respect towards somali girls,,i have seen some nasty niggaz who call foul names against girlz
but i don't generalize all somali men cuz i know a lot of nice men which are way different of what u mentioned but hey like it is alwayz there are bad ones and good ones in every kind,anywayz i think i hAve said enough. |
| manaxe | Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 11:46 pm
what ever it is that made ye post, there is sufficient reason to it and i believe it is due to da hatred ye feel inside that is bioling ye,
first of all, somali woman are really nasty and too emphatic and pathetic in character, they are nevertheless the worst kind on earth who think nothing but how to make men stoop down for her.
We live in 21 century, so why bother somali men?
Somali men need women with Kintir that can stimulate not a bubby rock that looks at then while they labour in vain,.
Besides why not go on our separate ways,/ uh good alternative,. Somali woman are da only enemies i have on earth, I wouldnt allow them to come near me nor in my life. Far from it.
A man once told me that if you wanna a pain in your life , then go for a somali woman. You will live a misery life,.
His words ring in my mind every five second. what a reminder.
Y e said equality.. what a term!
I hate to use westernised concepts that i cant even apply them in real life.
Wake up ladies, ye are just a nuisence to somali men 4 real. Ye all wasted and have nothing but to breed children,.
even after a year of marriage ye fall and become floppies , so fat in da ss and thin in da front. what a picture..
Hey we do live in free country as u put it so enjoy ..but dont bubble bout somali men,,..
A •••• without kintir is just a wall without a cement.
it is just like fucking a a rat.
Better we do anal than your kinter less •••• jilecsan |
| Abaay | Monday, April 09, 2001 - 01:15 am
Salamacelkum, walaalayaal!!
Waxaan lajaabanahay, wadama cusub oo gaala ah ayaan imaaney, and yet waxaana is weydiineynaa, maxaan isku badalney??
Markaad meel cusub imaatid, waa isbadaleysaa, dad cusub ayaa la kulmeysaa, wax yaala kale oo aadan weligaa arag ayaad arkeysaa. So ni walba makaxdiisa ha galiyo in uu isbadalka wax caadi ah yahay,ama hore ha u imaadee ama gadaal.
Dhibka waxa waaye sideen isku badalney??
Rag iyo dumar, ma isla soconaa isbadalkeena, mese qof walbaba meel oo u baxay??
Isbadalka, as long oo isbadal fiican yahay(in aan wax barano gabdhaheena oo aduunyada la tartano etc)wax xun ma´aha.Su´aashu waxeytahay, sideen isku badlney and how soon can we exept that??
Salaamacaleykum |
| BAALGORAY | Monday, April 09, 2001 - 12:28 pm
Well i guess it is true that heaven is close to women as their long skirts or "dirac" are to the ground, but at the same time hell is closer than that. So beware sisters, grasp the best of life while you can and separate the unfortunate of been confuse Somalis than the real westerners life style. |
| Ali futooyeare | Monday, April 09, 2001 - 12:45 pm
basra,
1st of all i always had the wrong idea about you
but after seen what you posted on friday4/6/01
that changed my opinion....
basra from now on you are in my very good list
and if i have nothing good to say to you i will
pass without disrespecting you or picking on you
but i still think you watch too much TV..
and thank you for that sweet post |
| Anisa | Thursday, April 12, 2001 - 05:14 am
Hello Everyone.
To Basra,
I have not said anything about love or hatred. I was just talking about what have done to make them so unsatisfied and hunger for others.
To Zam-Zam,
Sis I think disrespect is an issue at one point cuz once the person don't like what you do and how you do it, there is going to be disrespect no matter in what form it comes. Calling names one another and badmouthing is not the only type of disrespect, but it aslo takes many other forms.
To Somalim,
It is not Somali women alone who go out with foreingers, but our brothers date and have children with all kinds of people. The worst part is, they go out with those people and then come back expecting or asking some god forbidden things of the Somali women. Everything is as it was before and even better, but there is less trust and many other factors that are igniting this fire, which I don't like to witness it's end since we come to the western world.
To Calinur,
Aboowe there are all kinds of somali people who will like to join in the discussions and some of them feel more comfortable expressing they ideas in the English language or don't even know how to read or write Somali, so I was just trying to be considerate
To Baalgoray and Manexe,
Thank you brothers for proving me Wright. Good thing Manexe you mentioned that you refrain from using western terms, but why don't go back and read your own entry brother and tell me about the 21st century and free country?
To Hater Girl.
Sis there is no question about the fact that there are bad and good people in every society.
To Abaay,
That is my question too sister, to what extent have we changed and what kind of difference have we accepted as normal?
Thank you all for replying and keeping this place free of profanity and pleasant to read.
Anisa |
