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     | Unrecorded Date Hello All. Yes. Somalia is in disgrace. But hopeless she is not. The Somali people KNOW what is ailing their country. It is their perplexing inability to determine a route towards a reasonably FAIR and JUST reconciliation of the contrasting and amazingly selfish tribal/clannish interests. "Somaliland" is part of that problem. The same tribal/clannish interests agonising the rest of Somalia is what drives its need for separation. To me, there is nothing so compelling in their case as to merit what they seek, which is to divorce Somaliland from Somalia. It is unfortunate that Siad Barre’s regime visited upon them so much calamity, but so did the despot to many other tribes/clans in opposition to his administration. It is on record that the people of Somaliland were the first opponents of Siad Barre to organise and actually fight. They are credited with weakening him and being the main cause of his eventual downfall (which is why Somaliland felt the full brutal force of Siad Barre’s might and desperation). Tragic as it is, it could have been anybody else. And Siad Barre would have done the same. Secondly, the fact that Somaliland was a British Colony is irrelevant. There is nothing British about Somaliland just as there is nothing Italian about the rest of Somalia. A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 1960. Despite the tribe/clan/family curse, all of us are ONE. ONE nation. The same congruity is etched in the core of all Somali people. We have to be together in this world. The name of the Game is UNITY. Only next door the three East African countries of Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania are rediscovering their old E. A. Community. Even the Europeans are closing ranks around each other. I recall the United States of America went to war to stop certain states ceding from the Union. To conclude, yes, Somalia desperately craves for an end to the anarchy. No, not by slaughtering it any further, but by securing the fears and aspirations of all it’s people (Somaliland included)- people who speak one language, profess to have the same Islamic religion, the culture, the same dreams, the same thoughts. Everything! Illahoow Dabaha Wanaagsan Namari.
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| | Unrecorded Date TO; ALL Walaal lama yaabo gu'itaanka Soomaaliland, sabatoo ah al least nabadgalyo ayey haystaan wayna dhiseen goboladoodii, hadaba aniga oo ka soo horjeeda tafaraaruqa iyo kala goynta Soomaaliya hadana la yaabi maayo, Soomalida kalese ha is dhisaan oo haraaydiyaan in ay helaan nabadgelyo iyo xasilooni, marka ay helaan taas ayeynu Soomaali weyn doondooni doonaa.
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| | Unrecorded Date Anonbig Well written article, I haven't seen this side of you!!!!!! However let me make one factual correction in your article, the people of Somaliland weren't the first opponents of Siad Barre regime, I believe that belongs to the Majerteen people and their SODAF organisation which was established in Ethiopia, and further more, they were the first group to bear the brunt of Siyaad's wrath, way before SNM came into play. I don't know if this is intentional ommishion on your part or not but that is the record. Peace
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| | Unrecorded Date SSDF not SODAF, but yes Somaliman you are correct that SSDF was the first organization that fought against Siyad Barre's regime way before SNM. I don't know if this is relevent to the discussion though since AnonBig's intension was, I think, to point out that what we need is an end to this and move forward. I think the Somali youth around the world ought to come to gether and dialog honestly. What about holding rallies in Toronto, London, Washington, anywhere that there are Somalis to show our commitment to peace in our motherland and send a message to the political stablishment in Somalia everywhere North, East, South and West.
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| | Unrecorded Date Delug I just meant to set the record straight specially for the Somali youth who are born overseas & therefore might take this discrepancy as fact, afterall we can't re-write history. I stand corrected but I though the somali pronounciation was SODAF?
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| | Unrecorded Date I totally disagree with the notion that Late President of Somalia lost power due to the SNM or SSDF so called rebellion against his gov't. It was bound to happen that Late president gov't would fall due to the financial difficulties. Somali ppl were in desperate sitution. PPl were becoming less tolerant and more clan oriented. See whatever was blamed on Late president is exactly happening on Somalia today. They said "He used clans politics". Just take look around and see what Aidiid, Yusuf and Egal etc are doing today. These so called movements were based on clan agenda . We all know it and that's why it would never succeed. It's also really ironic to see how those who opposed Ina Siyad Barre yesterday surrounded themselves with Late presidents side kicks. The point of SNM elites trying to fight against Ina Siyad Barre was not just they felt he was unjust, but rather to gain power. If Egal was not totally agree with Late President then why could he just leave the country?. He did not. I know many ppl would say that he was sent to prison etc. But the fact is Egal after he had been released opted to stay in gov't until Ina Siyad Barre lost power. On the issue SSDF, it's and was purely MJ wanted to rule Somalia plain and simple. Take look at this Abdillahi Yusuf, who massacred many ppl by attacking civilian towns, is doing today. He surrounded himself with all of those cronies who worked for Late President. He declared war in lower Jubba valley and even said it on BBC. Anyway, these so called movements were based on Clan affilition and nothing else. It's and was doom to fail..Take Care.. Michigan.....Go Vol..
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear members: As some of you know, we never allowed discussions on Somali politics on SomaliNet’s forums for one simple reason: Most political discussions end up flames and clan bashing. We did a research on how Somali people on the net discuss on political matters and our findings were extremely negative. We adopted this policy of no Somali politics on our boards because we are not ready to take part of fuelling Somalia’s ever-flaming fire by allowing clan minded people to use SomaliNet as one of their communications channels. We have a proposal for those of you who would like to discuss political matters on SomaliNet forums. We are going to open a trial private discussion group called “Politics” or any other name you want. But, we cannot do this without your help. We need moderators for this group. Upon complition: 1. Only members will be able post articles. 2. New members will send e-mail messages to moderators who will give them username/paswword combination via e-mail. 3. The general public will have read only privilege. 4. Moderator(s) will have the right to revoke membership of members who do not respect others. 5. We will open the group as soon as we receive the first volunteer. 6. Maximum number of volunteers is 5 Upon completion of the trial period of three months, SomaliNet and moderators of the group will assess the successfulness of the group. This will determine the group’s future existence in SomaliNet forums. We encourage anyone who is interested in moderating this new trial group to contact us at forums@somalinet.com. We think we are fair to anyone by giving politics lovers the chance to maintain a dedicated political group within the forums. This is just a proposal and we are willing to adopt any other better method, which comes out from further discussions with forums members who get the chance to read this article. SomaliNet member.
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| | Unrecorded Date Administration: That's brilliant idea, hats off to you guys. I think overall Somalis are political animals & less the name-calling duel, the debates could be lively.
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| | Unrecorded Date I agree. Let us do it!
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| | Unrecorded Date YEAH!!!! take your political bullocks some where else..... we don't wanna it here....GET THA.......
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| | Unrecorded Date I agree. It is a good idea to start 'political' discussions, an idea whose time has come. So let's go on with it.
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| | Unrecorded Date War miyaynaan soomaali ahayn aaway luqadeenii? Sababta aa af ingiriiska wax ugu soo qoraysaan ma noosheegi kartaan?
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| | Unrecorded Date Asli Simply because of shaqal dheer iyo shaqal gaab. What else do you think?
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| | Unrecorded Date I disagree with Management: here in North America we enjoy freedom of the press.
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| | Unrecorded Date i dont think to curtail one from freedom of expression will solve any problem. but you are just denying some genuine people like me the opportunity to express our opinion, this is our only window in the world where we somalis share our sorrow,our happiness and our oppinions . We agree all the time but its just a relieve by itself to know their someone who share the same thing with you, we lost our counry,but led not loss our identity, our bride , our dignity,our culture not our ability to share our opinions whether we disagree or not I thank the management of somalinet for their wonderful contribution to make alife this ideas i have mention above; p
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| | Unrecorded Date Anon (freedom rider in the west) Why don’t you write anti-Semitism article and ask any major newspaper to publish for u! Or better, why don’t you go to gay nightclub and say to them that they are faggots and belong to hell! If you come back with your teeth intact, then you are right your freedom is superb. Do you smoke at no smoking facilities? Somali politics stink and the only reason so many people come here is that unlike other discussion places, they do not come across mini warlords and clan warriors. I don’t know where it went but one dude posted here today, a news article from XIHUA and people started to insult him because the news piece was against their warlord. Any experienced Internet user knows what I am talking about. This business stinks because look at those who want to swim in a clan tit-for-tat mud had suppressed their nicknames and came as anonymous. TallMan
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| | Unrecorded Date I totally disagree with management of somalinet on the issue of issuing passwords to express one self. This will amount to censorship as any views expressed that do not go well with any one moderator will be censored automatically. You can imagine five moderators with different view on the politics each censoring what he does not like and thus ALL views and opinions going to the rubbish bin. The second issue is of becoming a member by sending an e-mail which I see it as bureaucratic red tape on the internet. Finally let us agree to disagree.
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| | Unrecorded Date TallMan, thanks for bringing up the XINHUA news piece, though I am dissappointed that the ADMIN deleted out the news posted here as it's readily available on all the new oulets i.e CNN, Africanews e.t.c. It's just sad that certain people cry foul just because it doesn't show their warlord in goodlight & ADMIN cut it (news) out to appease these people. If the News is not tampered with or re-worded as the cut-out piece was than we should have the right to see the news as reported by the other Major newswire. loverboy, if you don't agree with ADMIN (I do) than how do you curb this free for all name-calling afterall Somali politics is in away rooted in Clannism as we have seen & is sensitive and highly polarizing?
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu 'Aleykum. Administration: The concept of creating a 'Politics Corner' in your site, where people can (objectively) argue politics is SPLENDID. As Mullah says most Somalis are real political animals. By providing us a conduit to channel our political views, we can achieve several things: - People would read about, know, understand and if possible answer an opposing viewpoint. - Provide 'food for thought' for those raping the Somalia Nation; i.e. expose the clan-based views for what they are. - Promote democratic values among Somalis, i.e. how to tolerate and respect the opposing views. - Promote unity by narrowing our differences through 'Politics Corner' forums. - Correct the stereotype; i.e. stop attempts to stick labels on certain groups of Somalis. - And generally learn how to debate without being subjective. About the password issue, I am for it. Reason: It can only serve to create responsibility among the contributors. The password should be the STICK of the forums (but must be used carefully). Any abuse of people/clans should result in instant loss of password! That is, ABUSE and become a SPECTATOR. Last but not least, a 'Politics Corner' is the icing on the cake in your stated aims of making this forums an powerful recource centre. Adios.
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| | Unrecorded Date Management, good idea. Passwords are neccessary to insure accountabilty. If what we read at the forums is a guide of how we debate; then it is clear that people tend to get emotional about issues; and therefore do not differenitiate what is true and logical from their subjective perception of the issues. The lack of a username will enable people to use multiple usernames to validate their points or create malice and confusion. My 2 cents.
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| | Unrecorded Date Opps, correction, the first sentence of the last paragraph should read.....the lack of a password will enable people to use multiple usernames.......
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear members: Thank you very much for the feedback. Those of you who oppose the idea: Your points are valid and well taken. However, we are not trying to censor anyone’s opinion but we do not want SomaliNet to become another battleground for people who are filled with anger and hatred toward other Somali citizens. The proposed group will be a trial one. It is too early to judge the outcome of the group before its trial period ends. This is true because we do not know how the group will shape. All you will need to participate is a valid e-mail account. It is that simple. Most Internet bulletin boards need membership/authentication before the user posts articles. This is industry proven method of minimizing system abuse. Moderators will add new members to the group and occasionally delete hate articles. The group will also have links to un-moderated discussion/news groups. Mullah, Delug, Anonbig, Suban, and everyone else, who wants to participate in this group, thanks in advance! We need volunteers to manage the group. You can reach us @ forums@somalinet.com XINHUA news: We deleted the article not because of its follow-ups but for three legitimate reasons: 1. We could not verify the authenticity of the article. 2. There was no valid link to the original article. 3. We do not have a license to reproduce that company’s intellectual property without their consent. We could close the thread if we had any interest in the article. References to unrestricted Somali politics discussion groups: http://x26.deja.com/[ST_rn=if,S0=907f961118ae75d]/topics_if.xp?search=topic&group=soc.culture.somalia&GRPP=941050813.1315176485&title=Related&query=somalia%20%7eg%20(soc.culture.somalia) this is not moderted but you need a valid e-mail) http://venus.guestworld.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Somadiscuss&lang=default&place=guestbook%20server7&approved=0 SomaliNet Member
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| | Unrecorded Date There is an error in the second link when accessed from this page. You can try http://www.somali.com/ then click discussions - SomaliNet Member
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| | Unrecorded Date Admin First I want to congrutulate you for your professionalism & Fairness in addressing this thorny issue. However though I am not contesting anything and actually agree with you, I have take issue with you on one item & that is the authenticity of the news posted but deleted by you, "granted it was not related to the thread" but nevertheless, the news is posted here in your news section & if you need to double check here is the source. http://library.northernlight.com/FD19991026510000177.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc Once again, thanks for all your patience and help
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| | Unrecorded Date somaliland belongs to somaliland people and they have the right to stand alone and no one not you not western or not any thing can prevent that the reason that republic of somaliland united to somalia was that one all somali parts will be united and that dream became unimmenent so you guys don't know nothing somaliland has been free for 9 years and they have budget of 2 billion dolars and there five airlines 5 coomunication and maore and more and they have on of the peaceist cities in the world imoigine if somaliland would be free since 19960 i am definitely sure we would compete with westeren
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| | Unrecorded Date geesi Keep dreaming Brother, actually somaliland stands for Dreamland. One question though, who are the Somaliland People? there are large Somali population in the North who don't consider themselves as part of the so called "Dreamland". On warlord "Egal" recent visit to N.America, not a single world body endoresed this "Dreamland" one can safely say his trip was utter failure. so brother I say come-down & smell the coffee
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother somaliMan: Thank you very much for sharing the news article with the rest of of us. We wrote an experimental code which fethces BBC and Yahoo for latest Somalia news and pastes the result on SomaliNet's front page in real time. We are expanding the the capabily of the code to include more sites. We hope it will work with Northern light very soon. The code is capable of stripping the whole article from these sites, but we chose to show the first paragraph so that the people who are interested in these news articles must visit the hosting site who paid for it. Somalinet Member.
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| | Unrecorded Date What is the code? Is it some type of query in SQL statement that looks for anything new with the word Somalia or is it some other type of language. I would like to know. thank u
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| | Unrecorded Date Admin Thanks once again for your excellant service.
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| | Unrecorded Date TO: Managment(admin) FIRST. Brother always you write english,some of us they can't understand english at all.some of us they know little.so why u interesting to write english? SECOND. Who are you???????? where you from????? THERE AFTER. give the people chance,every one can theorize his mind.if u shut down espicial room who come there,i think they feel boring.but if they release their breath in public......// LAST ONE. WE KNOW BROTHER.WE HAVE SOME FOOLS DONT COUNT THEM.DADKOODA HA DHEX QAADEEN!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date annoy or ever you are somaliland belongs to somaliland u know what i mean and the rest is 2% who does not make any change so i know what is bothering you but i tell u what go there and fight with them if you can do that otherwise keep your mouth shut ignorant
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| | Unrecorded Date annoy or ever you are somaliland belongs to somaliland u know what i mean and the rest is 2% who does not make any change so i know what is bothering you but i tell u what go there and fight with them if you can do that otherwise keep your mouth shut ignorant
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| | Unrecorded Date geesi yes, brother you are right but I don't know what you mean, in fact I don't have the slightest clue what you are taking about, but in any case "May God enter your Shoulder" lol. Wish you all the best my fellow Somali brother
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Delug: The code is a proprietary software in C and PERL which we developed ourselves. That’s as far as I can tell you, but you can reach our webmaster at webmaster@somalinet.com for all programming questions. Brother /sister ANON: Kalimadda admin waxaa isla isticmaala dad kala duwan oo masuul ka ah forums-ka. Waa "role" qofku markuu ku qoro magaca admin micnaheedu waa in administrationka forums-ku uu arintaa sameeyey. Waxaa laga yaabaa in laba ama sadex qof oo kala duwan ay hal sheeko uga qayb qaataan "admin". Arinta Ingiriiska: Waxaa noo yaal policy ah in hadba luqada wax nalaku waydiiyo aan ku jawaabno English/Soomaali. Sidoo kale hadaan ka qayb qaadanayno qoraalada mid kamida waxaan isticmaalnaa kan sheekadu ku socoto. Hadii go'aan uu naga soo baxayo ama aan sheeko bilaabayno waxaan ku qornaa labada luqad ilaa ay arintu degdeg tahay qofka markaa xilsaarana uu hal luqo ku fiicanyahay maahine. Mahadsanidin dhamaantiin. SomaliNet Member.
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| | Unrecorded Date to adminstration my question goes to somalinet adminstration. can you tell us why yuo give our E-mail to third parties (like XOOM)who bombard us with junk mails can we trust you with our E-mail since you said we can only send e-mail messages if we want our article posted in this site frequent somalinet user
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear anonymous: We never give anyone’s e-mail to anybody. SomaliNet’s server processes the mailing list and the “tell a friend” form. E-mails put into these forms never reach a third party. However, the chat rooms we use belong to Xoom’s Parachat. If you decide to fill out the optional e-mail and name on the first screen of the chat rooms, you will get commercial e-mails from XOOM. We are not responsible for e-mail addresses posted on some parts of SomaliNet. There are many widely available Internet worms which go from one site to another and grab all sentences with the character “@” Anyone who wants e-mail addresses can generate millions of them within a short time. Also, if you use web-based e-mail like Hotmail and Yahoo, you’ll most probably get too much unsolicited e-mail. Large web-based e-mail systems are safe-haven for spammers. SomaliNet Member.
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| | Unrecorded Date to management, thanks for your quick response , i really how you handle my question and the information you provided. i know now more than i knew before i wrote that question . once again thanks very much for your wonderful job your doing for our communitity plus the complete customer sattisfaction frequent somalinet user
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| | Unrecorded Date To the two brothers who arguing about Somaliland, I point to your attention about the Latest edition of the NEWSWEEK Magizine (Nov1,1999) issue. There is an article about Somalia and Somaliland. This could shed some light on grim reality that the whole Somalia faces now and is reported by first witness reporter.
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| | Unrecorded Date To Fifty five It is common knowledge that The so called 'somali-land administration hired a PR company which was partly paid up for by Aid agencies with money that was meant for humanitarian programmes. Part of the lobbying included the arrangement of the Egal visit, arranging of a visit by 'first hand reporter' to Somalia, writing of lobying articles in several news media that include: NEWSWEEK, EASTAFRICAN (kenya), BBC and many others. In the end the money has been spent. Bye
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| | Unrecorded Date As Southerner i too support the idea of Somaliland becoming nation. Why 'cause Somaliland has demostrated all the neccesary requirements of nation. I know some of you would disagree with me, but the fact is Southern Somalia has not shown any ability to govern itself and i don't think Northern Somalia be penalized for incompetent Southern who know death and destruction. I would see at least some of us somalis do well. May be in the future we can unite if and only if Southern Somalia shows ability to govern. Until then, let Somaliland join the international community..
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| | Unrecorded Date I knew southerner, southerner was a friend of mine, you ain't a southerner.
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| | Unrecorded Date He's me and don't think he was ever friend of yours. See more info on how Somaliland doing..www.newsweek.com
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaamu 'Aleykum. Farah Maallin, for a "Southerner" to support the ceding of "Somaliland" from the rest of Somalia is a most depressing manifestation. I beg to ask, Why? What is this exceptional need that "Somaliland" has, as to deserve this separation? What is so peculiar about "Somaliland"? Nothing! They are afflicted by the same decease we all suffer from - tribalism/clanism. Even within Somaliland itself! Second. Granted that "Southern" Somalia is outrageously awful but it is in no way a pretext to launch the complete disintegration (read the death) of SOMALIA. Yes, by granting Somaliland its wish, where is the mechanism to stop any other "Reer-Hebel-land" getting fascinated/tempted by Somaliland? My main apprehension is in the repercussion of such a scenario. Any Somali in his right mind can recognise that. It is something we should not allow. Not immediately anyway. Lastly, if Somaliland HAS to go, then it has to come through MUTUAL settlement concerning all Somalis. In other words every Somali, where-ever he/she is, has to be convinced about why Somaliland's position within Somalia is UNTENEBLE. The stakes are very high indeed! Salaamu 'Aleykum
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| | Unrecorded Date AnonymousBig: You speaka tha truth, Good points
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| | Unrecorded Date To: The slithery snake, anonymous B.I.G I am glad to see here a little improvement in character. No one who has sense enough can fail to notice a change, a radical change, in your manner of addressing the public. Wacaleykum Assalaam Waraxmatullaah! On your qs "why Somaliland should remain part of Somalia? My dear fellow, asking this kind of qs is akin to putting the cart before the horse, a fool's errand. We have to ask ourselves first the qs: 'what is S/land? who qualifies as s/land? and come to an agreement as to the terms of reference before we proceed on our dodo-like argument as to who should or should not secede from the South. To put it in pedestrian terms, the issue of ' who is an S/L must be settled first; that is, unless you are the kind of person who revels in ambiguities and roguery, in which case I will fold my mats and leave the meeting....in huff. But before I close shop for the night, let me ask you this qs: do you honestly believe that the Somali flag is a symbol of our nationhood? and that in this sense the flag is a sacred symbol to all of us, and what is sacred must not be profaned, or put to profane use? So when a group of bandits on a raiding expedition hoist the flag, or the banner of Al-islam, on the hoods of their technicals to justify a naked aggression on other people's towns and villages, is that not an act of profaning the sacred flags and banners, which are the property of all and exclusive to none? Since South Somalia had become a Hobbsian Disneyland where it is fair game for the stronger clan to attack & bestialize(and use as milch-cow) the weaker, why would any one clan feel justified to appropriate for itself, to the exclusion of their opponents, the only one remaining 'tangible' object that we own in common i.e the flag? Is it, therefore, fair for you to wave the flag in my face each time I have a dodo-like argument with you? If, in the future, you still contine waving flags and banners in my face, what I am going to do is this: Snatch both flag and banner from your hand, crumple them, soil and defile them, and drive them into the mud until they are soaked flat, and then hold them up to the Somaliweyn and cry: "Hey, Yeomen out there....is there a nig who has needs them stoof"?
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| | Unrecorded Date My whole point is at least to allow some of our fellow Somalis do well while rest of Somalia sunks. I think Somaliland tribes have shown the ability to govern themselves and make peace with each other. If all these tribes can agree upon to make sensible gov't, then i don't see any problems with it. Should we punish rest of Somaliland for sake of hate mongers of the South and their incompetency to govern or make peace with each other. I know some of my clansmen would not like my position, but i think it's imperative to be objective and fair minded. Half of my tribe lives in the north(Hint).You can make educated guess what tribe i am from. But, that's not really the issue here. I don't think as Southerner i have any right whatsoever to make Somaliland stay with rest of Somalia. Until may be when these Southerners understand what it takes to make peace with each each other and govern. I want to see my cousins in the north succeed in life period....Farah
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| | Unrecorded Date To: The Free-loader aka MajorPagan. Are you resentful that I am the one flapping the Somali Flag? Brother, once in a while it is commendable to ZIP UP! Here you present a compromising picture, which perturbs me. Look, I don’t care who waves the flag as long as it is undivided/one. Secondly "Somaliland" is an IMAGE that exists in minds of a few old and nostalgic people plus some of their yes-men. To me it is pure fantasy, at least in the near future. Yes, most intelligent people there know it is all pure dream. Meanwhile, pray to Zeus that it does't come to fruit. Psst... "the War of the Moryaan and the Jirri" is postponed until the construction of the Polical Room is complete.
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| | Unrecorded Date To: Anonymouse B.I.G Poor child, You sound like someone who is caught and whirled in a social service cesspool; a person riding a whirlwind is not fit to wave the flag at others. "what you are speaks so loudly that I can't hear what you say", man just look at yourselves...36 roadblocks bet Mog and Merca, an area of 120 km, which is one roadblock per 4 &1/2 km! Like Ali Baba and his thieves you guys are determined to live off the labour of your new colonies in the South. And your attempt to label me a Pagan only shows your bigotry and viciousness. Remember I told you not to wave flags and banners in my face? On Somaliland secession you wrote: "It is something we should not allow, not immediately anyway", and again as above: "It should not separate, at least not now", so your problem with the said separation of Somaliland is the timing, not the idea of secession itself? You are indeed the kind of person who revels in ambiguities and roguery. You have already called $/LandRover an illusion, a phantom that only exists in the head of nocturnal creatures like you. I need not add anything here; you have said it all. Hasta La Vista....year 2020
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| | Unrecorded Date To: The Friend of HADES (the god of thieves) 36 roadblocks on the Merka-Mogadishu stretch? This is but a component of a greater difficulty plaguing Somalia - lack of the rule of law. In a nutshell, what else do you expect when jungle law reins supreme? Conventional wisdom acknowledges that any simpleton with a gun can set-up an instant roadblock anytime/anywhere! And, necessity demands that I discontinue divulging into this issue for two reasons; first, we have learned to live with it! Secondly it is akin to getting distraught over the symptoms of a decease that you and me know too well. By the way, I notice that you never propound an answer to the PUZZLE.....hmmm..... But then, what do I expect from a Zeus-Believing FREE-LOADER? C!
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| | Unrecorded Date To: Anonymous B.I.G your wrote quote :'any simpleton with a gun can setup an instant road-block anywhere' Thks for the new info; I thought roadblocks were big business in Xamar; that they were daily traded at the Bakaraha stock mrkt for big money. 'when jungle law reins(or rather reigns), according to Dawin's theories of evo, methink the strongest,unscruplous and most rutheless group to survive and thrive at the expense of the conscientious groups. I don't believe in survival of fittest, but the survival of 'best fit'. And the H.G guys are a bunch of social misfits! And course, necessity demands that you discontinue divulging into the issue of roadblocks and air/sea port closures not because you have learned TO LIVE WITH IT, but because you have learned TO LIVE BY IT! I will appreciate an input on how roadblocks are operated, how they are bought and sold etc from anyone who has the info. Hasta La Vista
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| | Unrecorded Date To: The Free-loader aka MajorPagan. You said: 'H.G. guys are a bunch of social misfits'! Easily, it is a most fallacious and ridiculous assertion. Coming as it did, from such a lonesome/pathetic creature as you are, it will not pass unchallenged. M.J. guys are leeches/parasites. They have been living off the back of Hawiya drudgery for many years. Never will that abnormality occur again! It is common knowledge M.Js are (always) the least productive of the Somali Society! Ever since the expulsion of Siad Barre and cohorts, M.Js have subsisted (been alive) courtesy of SOMALIA NGOs. What is NOT in doubt is this: MINUS Somalia NGOs, M.J.s would vanish (at least as a force to reckon with)! Then, you will learn to eat only and only what is your due! If the above truth OFFENDS you, so be it! PS. I still haven’t seen your elaborate plan for restoring the old Status Quo (for parasites to thrive). Might it be too many groups of Somalis have become too smart to your detriment?
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| | Unrecorded Date This is prime example why Somalia won't joining members of International communities for NEXT 100 years. Both of you gentlmen have shown inability to differenciate what's good and evil. The extent of your ignorance of generalization of punch people showed you're no different than average somali person. I thought both of you guys showed classess act of first degree murder. Why would two bright young guys make these none sense generalization and i don't know. But, the fact is unless we become individualls rather collective of group of people we will never achieved real honest peace in Somalia. Why can we debate objectively rather making personnal or tribal?. Can we critisize individual Warlords and whole tribe of people?. Bye..
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