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Are you a westernized or traditional somali?

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive1 (Before Feb 2000): Are you a westernized or traditional somali?
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Anonymous

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This is not necessarily a sweeping condemnation of somalis.I would just like to address an issue that is beginning to disturb me.I would just like to know why do we often say to the world"we are good muslims".Then on the other hand we engage in premarital sex,drink alchohol and other such activities?I have noticed that in this website a hefty percentage of the young men and women mention having had numerous relationships(dating).I wonder if you all know that in islam there is no such concept as"dating".

Please,please don't anyone tell me that they date,but don't engae in premarital sex.Common sense tells me that when men and women are left alone for extended periods of time,nature takes it's course.Plus there are other means to have sex without actual penetration,but even still-it's SEX.

You all(especially the young)have to make up your mind's.Either you should proclaim yourselves"westernized somalis"or you should say that you're"traditional somali muslims".I think this jumping back and forth between the two is rather ridiclous.In other words why act westernized when around non-somalis and act like traditional muslims when around somalis?

Also,I would like to tell the menfolk to stop expecting women to remain wholesome virgins,who are waiting for their hand in marriage.While they sleep round with other women.

enough said,
annonymous

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hebel

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IM in somewhere between trying figure out which way to go.

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Cashewnut

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I agree with hebel.

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Mr Cool

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How about if you just stay in the middle! why choose?

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Cabdi Madoobe

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I say we stay original. Afterall, we call ourselves Somalis, and not Somali Americans or Somali Westerners!
Let the chicken come home to roost.

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hebel

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Well this whole life was made by choices, everyday the world decides whether to turn left or right Mr.coolless.
You can't survive, and is impossible to live one day without some sort of choice to began with.
So got to choose whether I like it or not.
Cashewnut I hear you kindey shaped fruit you.

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Cashewnut

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Hebel, the kidney shaped cashew is the king of nuts!! I chose that name because you are nuts.

Cabdi Cade, how can chicken come home to roost...when there is no home?

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Macaani

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Caado laga tagaa caro allo aas leedahay.Soomaali dhaqan iyo dhiig aa ahay...Soomaaliyeey soomaali aa nahay ee yaan la hilmaamin dhulkiii iyo dhanqankii,waa u dhalane,waa meehii abkaanya xunduntood taalo,unuka hadiins hagaajinin shimee wadankaanya barwaaqsanaa.SOOMAALIYA niyada yaa laga saarin,MAR aa u laaban doonaa!!

Nabadeey

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Waryaa

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Salama...

Macaaaaaaaaaniiiiiiii..........saas aa lagaa rabaa magoow, duqa.

Somaliyeeeeeeeeeeeeey Somaliyeeeeeeeeeeeeey hala toooooooooooso, ukuntiiiiiiiii way foontoobeysaa la socda hee, minaa West aa iska dhigtaan minaa East aa iska dhigtaan Allahii ni aboortey lee u noqoneysiin; taas yaa Central Nervous System laga tir-tirin. Tuloow when the Reckoning Day reaches us like a blink of an eye, what would you do then? Keep in mind that there would be no more repentance that would be accepted--that is the Ultimate Trial--By facing the Exquisite and Luscious Face of Your Creator, Allaah (wtc).

Quite Peace!!

P.S.--Life is nothing but merely an Illusion of Satan, his endless alluring and inclination makes you to withthrew from the Straight Path.

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Cabdi Madoobe

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Cashewnut

LOL. Of course there is home. Just the chickens are missing. So, let them come.

P.S. I aint white but nice chocolaty color, so dont say Cade. Just Madoobe would do, thank you. hehe.

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Boy in the West

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Dhaqan somali dooni maayo !!!
xoola lakala dhaco, xabad la isku qaato, faradheer faan badan iyo gabdho aan kintir lahayn waa caado iyo dhaqan xun.
who needs that shittttttttt

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hebel

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Boy in the west do, so eat your broccoli young man.

Chewnut loll@@U that's a good one...I like it.

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C/DARUUZ

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MARGINALTY------MARGINALTY------MARGINALTY

I AM COUGHT BETWEET TWO WAYS OF LIVE AND CANNOT FULLY IDENTIFY WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM.

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Marwo

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Anon> I totally agree, but its kinda difficult coz of all the influence, its only natural that our ppl having been scattered all over in far away lands having to live among ppl with a foreign culture, its conceivable that many would stray. however, in defence of the men folk> the girls themselves arent all that innocent> lots of evidence on this forums.
Boy in the west> regardless of how much you try to fit in> you never will never accept you so perhaps you shouldnt stray too far from the flock!

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Anonymous

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I live in Europe. Now tell me how on earth I can be a traditional somali. Even when I lived in Somalia I never was a traditional somali. I never ate traditional somali food (lived on pasta and rice). I never had a somali name. I never lived in a traditional somali hut. You see, I am a somali by birth so I don't have to reconfirm my somaliness. I am also a human being by nature so I make some choices. I drink beer and do not chew qat. Does that make me less of a somali. If I choose to have sex, what does being somali have to do with it? Basically this is it; making choices in one's life is one thing and looking down upon any culture is another. See that guy 'boy in the west' he looks down upon somali culture. I don't. My attetude is this: take away the 'kintir' of your daughter, don't have sex (premarital), chew qat, get a large family that you cannot support from you own efforts... All these are ultimately your own choices. Nobody forced them on you, although they are easy to make if you feel safe in numbers. I on the other hand will make my choices, which you may not like. But I don't represent 'somaliness' itself, neither will anyone do that. This, because somaliness is not a sect but a fact that results from birth. Just to wind up - have you noticed that chest thumbing 'somalis' usually don't do their lot any favours. From what I have seen it is the 'unsomali' who keep to themselves and their families, and who keep their jobs - they are the ones who do the name 'somali' some justice.
Cheers.

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ThugGirl

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I couldn't agree more with #2 ANon...

To #1 ANon:
it seems that you are in denial..
in your own words, what is a traditional somali??
fact is, there is no such thing as traditional somali and all the yata yata that goes along with it...so check your stats...
i speak for myself when i say "its not where am from that matters but where am @ "..so plze enough with the traditional somali B*S!...for the simple reason that it doesn't exist...

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just a friend

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to anonymous....
Who you like a need budweiser?

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maydhane

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Asalaamu calaycum

war Somaalay Ilaahay aan kacabsano Ilaahii ina abuuray subaxanahu watacalaa ilaahay wuxuu yidhi (WAMAA KANA LIMUMININ WALA MUMINA IDAA QADA LAAHA WARASUULAHU AMRAN AN YAKUN LAHU KHIYARA)

UMAY AHAANIN QOF MUMIN AMA MUMUINAD AH HADDII ILAAH IYO RASUULKIISU AY ARIN GOOYAAN INAY CHOICE LAYIMAADAAN

WAR HADII ILAAH YIDHI WAXAASI ISKA DAAYA WAA IN LAYKA DAAYAA

AAYAD KALE WUXUU ILAAH YIDHI
(WAMAA AATAKUMU RASUULU FAKHUDUUHU WAMAA NAHAAKUM CAN HU FANTA HUU

Wixii rasuulku layimaado qaata wixii uu idinka nahiyayna kataga


marka walaalayaal ilahaay hayngu anfaco aayadahaas quraanka ah hana inaga dhigo kuwii wax maqla raacana hadalka kiisa toosan
walaahu aclum!!!!!!!!

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ØL

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Anonymous,

I could not agree with you more, on the point that Somalis would put you down if you take care of your family, stay away from the Maqhaayad, and the bull... chit chat of your male species, who don't even attend to the needs for their family and children. These are the ones who call themselves traditional. The fact of the matter is, we are in doubt (nowadays) of who we are and what we have become. Otherwise, the TRADITIONAL SOMALI issue would not have come to be up for a debate.

Somalis are humans, and have needs and feelings(we are not PURITANS) so to have have sex (premarital) does not make a person less of a Somali (regardless of how those so called Muslims see it). People make decision and choices in their lives that they see fit. What makes you less of a human, Somali, or anything else for that matter,is standing in the lines of Welfare Office in the West or America, and expecting the working productive population of those countries to support your HUGE family. Is that Islamic, is this money HALAL? I think it is only HALAL when they collect it and spend some of it to chew QAAT with. What a shame!!!! how on earth we can look ourselves in the mirror, and feel good about who we are??? What kind of message we are sending our future generations.

By the way, the culture on having non-working Somali men has existed for centuries - it has nothing to do with REFUGEE(ISM) or war. We all know that.... it is better to face our short comings...

By the way, Jule Tuborg tasts good... LOL

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Maacani

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Saraha xamar-weeni aa la igu dhali oo ku soo barbaarti,canjeelo iyo macsaro inaas ku quraacdo aa la igu koriye,aliseedii inaas gahwo xaraar iyo moos cuno aa la iiigu soo dhaqmiye,magac soomaali waa qawaa,odogeey macawiis aa weliigiis ugu jire,habarteeyne guntiimo aa geshataa,shaashne waa u fuula,marka maaxake oo soomaalimo aa qawin?

Ano iyo OL,
waxaa u mudaa inaas aabihiin amse abkoogiin baadiyo ka soo gali oo sar fillo eh ku soo jirteen oo baasto alfoorno iyo hunguri talyaani aa aasan jirteen,in other worlds ur background is huts and camels and that's how u see a traditional somali.
Xatuuyo iyo xoolo dadwene dedkii lagu soo koriye saas aa u denbeesi soomaali,IS GAGALEEN iyo wasmo inaas ku waramaan!!!

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NeefoowKaniiiini

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.....Macaani hooy lakhamayaaw a ku dheelin afkaanya ee Jazuurtii abka ab nin ku soo kori us saas ma u baaramee Wacdalla aad khabtaaye, lakhamayaaw markii ad Canjeero aa dhaheesid ma hilamaanti Muufo baraawi,,,,iyaaaah Khuraac markii dhaheesidna ma hilmaanti Afbilaaw,,sarmanka markii dhaheesidna ma hilmaanti Jazuurtii ab ka ab laga soo gaari ee bacdigeed ma hilmaanti mooskii baqbaqa abuu sokoroowgii ii gaxwo gufur oo Hordhawga,,,, iyaaah ani muggoo makuu baginee kuwaaneey aa sheegeesid lee amaad numero uno aa ka tahay,, Koo waxaan ku mudaa Lakarigoo oo Gudmane ahaay oo Baadiyihii Balcad laga keeni oo sii gambaal loo guntadabo kaseenin oo Xaafadayna la keeni bacdigeedna kuwoo Qallin shuwashaasha Tarashkood suufka u bashdhawaayi,,oo dunta mareegta baarabariikoow raqayda hoosteed ku gadaayi,,,,..


is akhris damboo
xiisa leh,,,no hard feeling,,..

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hebel

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aar naga jilci bahasha dee bilaa caleeg

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Macaani

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Neefookaniini,

Shiidle waa waranti ee beriga yaa kaa roon?,jeer,jowhar ha joogo,jamaamo hakaa jiro,anse jikaakoow ha joogo,meehii joogo,isku jeesto lee waaye,kuunyo baroow ,mekii kaa keeni aa kir i tiri miyaa?

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hebel

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in kuunyo baroow kabeebee ka dheeli jirey waa la ii sheegi anbo oo jeesto jeesto bilcaamaha ugu goosan jirey jirjirooloow camal.

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NeefoowKaniiiiini

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,,,,,Adduun maxaa liisku Labkhashoohaayaa,,Kuunya Baroow ii Shiidlena maxaa iska galli Aaw shee Cali Mayoow,,,..

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hebel

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taas macaani aa ka jawaabaa lee umaleehaa.
waxba hay soo dayin ani.

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TROUBLEGIRL

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TO NEEFOWKANOONI AND MACAANI......

Labadiinaba dameer iyo labadiisa dheg iga dheh.

NeefoKaniini sarihii xamarweyne aa lagaa soo dajiyey.......dhibkaa ma yaro.

Macaani adna hadii from Manabolyo laga wadey oo miniyaaabolis lagu geeyey weli dacwo aa tahay haye....?

Wallahi Somali meel U roon aan ogayn aniga mugoooooowwww


PEACE

TROUBLEGIRL

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Stranger

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Lets Not Confuse issues here:

Many issues have been raised and I see there are some people who use the words "somali" and "Muslim" as if they are synonymous.

When we say Somali; one assumes we are talking about a culture; whose way of doing things are characterised by a set of norms that dictates how they interact social and otherwise. Every culture has certain thematic elements that separate it from the other cultures.

On the other hand:
A Muslim, is a true believer in the religion of Islam. The actions of a Muslim are dictated by the Glorious Quran and the Suna of the prophet.

Not all Somalis are Muslims.

Islam is not a birth right, its your actions that
count not your name or culture.

If you are a true Muslim, you would always choose HALAL and you would stay away from the HARAM.

This World is like a prison to a true Muslim and a Paradise to a Non muslim. But the hereafter is a paradise to a True Muslim and a Prison to a Non muslim.

Like Allah says in the Quran:
(Sura,87:16)

"Nay (behold), ye prefer the life
of this World; while the hereafter
is better and more enduring"


So let us not confuse culture with religion, Islam has made it clear how a true muslim should live his/her life. Let us not be fooled by the life of this World.

May ALLAH guide us; For whosoever Allah Guides Non can lead astray.

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Drwho

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Salamu Alaikum

Dear Sir Stranger!

I could not put it in better way, thank you very much indeed for you wise words, I hope some of us will comprehend the issue.

Salamu alaikum

DrWho
London

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Shanaaz

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Salaams,

DrWho, I undertand why the person who started up this discussion used "muslim" and "somali" interchangably. Somali culture is conservative and mainly adheres to Islamic practices. I said mainly, not all. However, that person had a concern. Most ppl say that they are traditional somalis, when obviously their actions prove otherwise. I'll speak for myself, I would say that I'm a practicing muslim. Yes I am a somali by blood, but mentality wise, I would say I'm more modern since I grew up in the West most of my life. But the key thing is, I'm a Muslim and that's what I'll leave this world as insha allah. Westernize or Traditional???? So I dont' know what category I belong to. I'll say this though, I'm not modernized enough to displease my Lord, Allah. Peace

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Geeraarshe

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I have been for a long time struggling myself with the essence and meaning of the Somali character. What does it mean to be a Somali? I will take stab at this in my own ponderous and inarticulate way by stating that Somalitude, to coin a new phrase, consists of the glorious combination of Islam-our spiritual anchor-, the rich and textured Somali language and our inherited traditions. The absence of one, nevermind all, of these essential foundations will raise grave doubts about the claims of any would-be Somali. Though your name, birhtright and history may suggest a true Somali blood, Your claim to Somalitude is invalidated if you do not possess the qualities mentioned above. It is these qualities that make the Somali and Muslim identity so interchangeable and inextricably linked. To be a Somali is to be a Muslim. To be a Somali is be able to use and understand the Somali language with facility and ease. To be Somali is to be aware and use in your day-to-day life our traditions: fidelity and love for our faith and family, courage and stoic endurance in the face of adversity, generosity and sumptuous hospitality for a weary guest who calls at your homestead. Finally, and here I respond to that loathsome Jule Tuborg drinking buffoon, mention must be made of the industry, durability and hard work that sustained the Somali in his inhospitable patch on earth. I would presume that you never had the "pleasure" of watering 500 camels at a watering-hole after driving them all day in the scorching midday sun and then driving them to pasture(Daaqsin-Geel) and then milking them at sunset. It is not a day at the beach let me tell you. If Somalis were lazy ne'er-do-wells all these centuries just how did they survive. After all, in this unforgiving land a shiftless Somali usually ended up a dead Somali.
Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xassan, the literary giant of our land composed the following poem in which he spells out his notions on this very theme.
As is always the case with the Sayid you will see the great man state the case I have butchered above with flair, wit and penetrating cognitive acuity:

Nin illaah yaqaan oo sharciga ku isticmaaalaaya
Ashahaado loo qoray nin aan kala illaaweynin
Oo aan inkirahayn xaq waa la oggolaadaaye
Nin Sallaada awqaadda faral u addimoonaaya
Oo dagada oofinahayoo ugubka soocaaya
Oo aan afurahayn soonku waa billaha ciideede
Adduunyadiyo xoolaha ninkii aragti dhiibaaya
Oo inuu ahoohiyeey yidhaa ka istixoonaaya
Oo aan bakhaylnimo abkii lagu inshaaraynin
Nin aan diinta aafadi gelayn aakhiruu sebenka
Oon aan Amxaarada siddii aabbo daba yaacaynin
Aan abuurka Soomaaliyeed ka anfi taageynin
Oo aan ajuurada kufriga ugu adeegaynin
Nin jahaad ahoohimanayoo ubaxa loo saaray
Ingiriiska eyga ah ninkii dhan uga leexaaya
Oo libin ajri leh soo heloo or iyo geeraar leh
Nimanyohow aqoonxumadu waa eeragoysnimo e
Asaraar ma fiicna e runtaa lagu arooraaye
Ninkii aynigaas lagu yaqaan sow ikhwaan ma aha

Shir aguugay waayeel abyamay talo asheedowday
Irdo jiq ah albaabo is ku xidhan eel la bixin waayey
Nin aqoon leh aw iyo hadii odayo loo geeyo
Xaajada afraha duubatee loo olmami waayey
Inkastoo ayaan iyo ayaan amarka loo guulo
Ninkii maalintaa ka arrinshaa caaqil sow ma aha

Uu'uuda qaylada haddii uubatadu yeedho
Sengootiga abwaada leh haddii agabta loo qaato
Awaaraha buska leh maalintuu xamar abraarayo
Maalintii warmaha oofta iyo adhaxda lays gooyo
Maantuu abbodigu ka lali amaxa loo daadshay
Maantuu asaayuhu ka dhici dagaalkeeda
Maantuu fuluhu kaa ordoo alabas rooraayo
Maantuu raggaan loo ilayn wada ugaadhoobo
Maantaa ninkii aarsan sow aar ka dhici maaha

Nin aan edebdaroonayn xil waa laga ajoodaaye
Aflagaado aan jirin nin aan kuula imanaynin
Oo kaa asluubsanyahay oo ku istixaynaaya
Ab uu yahayba aadmiga sama ekeynaaya
Abtirsiino kii xigay nin aan iniq u dheeraynin
Addoomada ilaahay nin aan kala irdhaynaynin
Ninkii aamusoo shib haddii erey xun loo diiqo
Oon kula akeekamin intaa ururka uu joogo
Aan xaajo awgeed la gubay ubucda jeexaynin
Anfaacigiyo dhuuniga nin aan ku anfariiraynin
Aan xeedho soor lagu akhtimay eber ka yeelaynin
Oo sida ardaalada wax cuni alam ka siinaynin
Intuu aqalka baanjiyo ninkaan aradka guulguulin
Aagaanka ciirta ah ninkaan aaska dhiganaynin
Oo aan qumbaha awdan ilaxidhkaw jiidan
Aaqibo loo galay nin ay aakid ku ahaatey
Oo kuu ixsaan fali intuu udug adduun joogo
Oo aan abaaldhaca aqoon sow ikhyaar ma aha.

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SISTA WITH RESPECT

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This discussion page has bought about many issues and some comments have gone past the title.Its asking whether you are a Somali[but who can truely define what a real Somali is?]I mean if you know the language,if you abide by the culture,does that make you a true Somali?I always thought that Islam and Somali culture went 'hand in hand' with each other?Can a person be classed as a Somali even if they dont practice Islam?I dont have this answer,i'm still wondering.There are some obvious ways in which a person can be classed as a Somali or not but somethings seem unnecesary.If you dont eat rice,spagetti,and other traditional Somali food does that mean you do not have the right to be classed as a Somali?If a girl goes without a dirac does that mean she is not a true Somali?Like I said earlier there are some definate characteristics that define us Somali people but there are also some that are not necessary.I sometimes wear a dirac but I sometimes wear westernised clothes[nothing haram such as a short skirt,just reasonable clothes].I hardly ever eat Somali food[well rice and spagetti] but I enjoy other Somali dishes.I KNOW I am a true Somali so i'm not concerned of what others say and I also KNOW I am a true muslim.I know some Somali girls who walk around with hijaabs,speak Somali,attend mosques,etc[proper Somali ways] but on the other hand they do VERY haram things.I dont think I need to go into specific details but i'm sure you all know what i'm talking about.So would you class them as true Somalis?,me i'd class them as hypocrites!For as long as we live there is always going to be an identity crisis in the Somali race.We need to be proud of who we are[Somali,muslim people] and we need to stop acting like the other races,sometimes I find it hard to distinguish the difference between a Somali and another black person[ie.Other African, Jamaican, etc].Choices and decisions are there to be made by a person so that they can get through life.Sometimes we make the wrong decisions but the way in which most of us learn is through our mistakes.By the way,Anonymous,I myself made up a page similar to this one but I still haven't come out with a satisfying conclusion,I hope you get more luck!
Salaama Aleykum and may Allah guide us to paradise..........

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Anonymous

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So one HAS to be Muslim to qualify as a Somali nowadays! I can see that there are some very confused people out there! And since when was spaghetti and rice somali food? Do somalis know their history? Find out about yourselves and where you are coming from before you talk about Islam and spaghetti.

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SISTA WITH RESPECT

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ANON,THAT WAS JUST MY Q, DOES ONE HAVE 2 BE A MUSLIM 2 BE CLASSIFIED AS A SOMALI?

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EsL

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Gosh you cant read the above post by stranger ? it makes it clear dont confuse the two, they are not,,,,not,,,,the same thing. Hellooo any body home ? U sipik engriis ? you undastan engriis?

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asha mohemed

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neefeekaniiiii adigu waxaatahay shiidile waa odoondaayadi koor maad istaagtay qabiil yeelaadey

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Adam

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I totally disagree with you because some of us like me are not traditional somalis because we born in the United States so you cannot say that we just have to follow the cultures and customs of I country that we never went to

My parents moved here in 1978 and everyone and I was born in 1984. I have never been taught about somali customs and I don't wanna learn them after seeing the tyranny and Hunger which Prevails there

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MAD MAC

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I'm a westernized westerner. But you want to hear something funny. When I was in Somalia I was accussed of "Going native."

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eazy

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Mad mac,
Hello!I have read some of your other posts.I have a rhetorical question for you that isn't meant to be offensive in any way:After spending time in somalia and returning to the west what is it that continuously interests you about somalis and/or somalia?Is it kind-a because somali women are so beautifull?

I ask the above question because I often get the feeling that westerners(of all colors and backgrounds)take an interest in somali culture because they find that they are drawn/attracted to somali women.On this site it is pretty common for nonsomali men to occasionaly post here,but never nonsomali women.Why is that?

peace,
eazy

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MAD MAC

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Eazy
Saahib, I can only postulate as to why you never see non-Somali woman here. I would suspect, though, it's because American Woman who are looking for a black man don't look for Somali men. Whereas Somali and Ethiopian Woman are striking. That having been said, I have had two Somali girlfriends. They were great, but it was complicated since none of my Somali friends were allowed to know. I'm not into secrets and eventually this doomed us. Anyway, I now have a great girlfriend from Thailand - I'm kind of international. I am not interested in finding another woman.
My interest in Somalia is in Somali politics. And why is a long and complicated story but if you hunt around my postings on the general section you'll find your explanation.

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BadGIRL

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Mad"Millitary"Boy...
My thank U

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