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     | Unrecorded Date Picture this scene: The civil war is over and Somalis are coming back from all over the world. My name is Ibrahim, I never travelled outside Somalia, I lived by the gun, I believe in anarchy and I also believe that I have more rights to the country than those escaped outside Somalia and are coming back now. Your name is Omar, you came back from the USA, believing in Democracy and thinking that no one is better than you because of your education and ideology. Ali is coming back from China where fate took him after the civil war, and he now thinks that Communism is the only solution for Somalis. Isack is coming back from somewhere in the Nordic and is somehow close to the one from the USA except that he doesn't speak Somali. Michael Osman is coming back from England and is a Christian-Somali, he believes that it's Islam that is causing all these problems. Mohamud is coming back from Saudi Arabia and believes that the only solution is to follow the Shariica Law. Awil is coming back from the former Soviet Union carrying Marx and Lenin book of thought. Now, what do you think of the aftermath of these collisions, Please don't misunderstand me, I am not thinking negatively but I think it's inevitable to forese. Peace all
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| | Unrecorded Date Salama.... Simple Solution of of these, first Islam would be imperative what steps we take. If I get back to your answer, consider this: China, the world's most populous nation, which overturned over more than one billion people live under one rule--hundreds of religions, thousands of ideologies, millions of inner sub-faiths, hundreds of langauge, tens cultural and tradition, under mixed dozens of political theories: One Decree!! India, similarly has an exact cultures, life-styles, faiths, languages, traditions, ideologies, et cetera, except it is a sub-democracy and a bit less populous. And still they live under one conspicuous criterion: One Stature!! Now, you are saying, we, as only no more than eight-million people couldn't live under those circumstances. Though, 99.9% are Muslims, and proud to be. Hence, we would refer people's choice to what category they wish to be ruled by. Quite Peace!!
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| | Unrecorded Date You're still selling primitive ideolgy of Afghan style, which is a million miles from our Somali religion and culture. We are a cultured and tolerant people with long-standing traditions of respect for the belief of other people's opinions and customs. Your ideas are common amongst certain extremists in the Arab world: however you will not find these ideas in the Koran and you should not misuse the Koran to justify your own private opinions and political aims! Long live a tolerant and peaceful Somalipeople
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu calaykum yaa ayuhal muslimiin itaqu allah: amaa bacda. walaal ama walaalo"know as waryaa" jasaaka allah kher" afkaaga caana lagu qabay "as somaalis say" dee garan maayo waxaan iraahdo maxaa yeelay you have said enough.hadaan wax dhahana waxaan ku celin un wixii aad horay u tiri. allah subhaana watacaalaa wuxuu yiri"Wax aan ahayn qur'aan wax kuma xukumi kartaan hadaad ku xukumtaana waad duloowdeen oo kufrideen" there is no argumet about it. so midkaagan macaan la baxay waxaan filayaa in aad u baahan tahay in aad ilaahay u toobad kentid.
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| | Unrecorded Date Kissima Very interesting topic you have started here. Good to see that you are voicing your concerns about the future of our beloved country. however, I have a different picture. I think when we overcome (if at all - that is) this mental disease called "QABILL", we should get along very well. I am particularly optimistic of those of us who have been living in different parts of the world - Europe, North America, Asia, Australia, other parts of Africa - that they get a different perspective of the world and our standpoint. Maybe even a somewhat different understanding of life. That there is more to it than "my clan" or "your clan" ideologies. I personally am not concerned about the fact that people might have different "political" orientations - as long as they are socially acceptable to the majority of the population. Now, dont get me wrong. I mean, it is obvious that we as Somalis (to say the least - the majority of us) are very diligent in preserving our cultural and religious heritage. So, whatever politics one plays, as long as he/she has that criteria instilled in them, it shouldn't be something to worry about. I think diversity of ideas is what we need, rather than diversity in terms of genes. Waryaa I agree with you whole-heartedly. Mowlid-macaane It looks like your are contradicting yourself. May I ask what the Afghani people have done to you? I have seen you saying the same thing about them in other threads! Have a heart brother. Don't hate. It simply eats your heart away. <with peace I leave>
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| | Unrecorded Date WADANI ISKU SHEEG-KISS MY AS You know nothing about Allah and the Islam, Quraanka waxaad ka baratay amaa bacda, I can only say to you LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS A DANGER!
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| | Unrecorded Date why do I have to be omar? call me jerry.
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| | Unrecorded Date ku: assistant of mowlid. Salaamu calaykum walaal xagaad igala qaaday waxay sowdigan I prejudge gareen maaha gaw, waar yaahee ina adeer anigu ma'aanan ku oran din baan aqaan sow magaran. dee iga yara xishood "the prophet (pbuh) said Falyaqul kheyran ow liyasmut.in anather hadiith he also said" idaa lam tas taxyi fasnac maa shi'ta. sidaa awgeed anigu ku aflagaadeyn maayee, waxaan ku leeyahay allah ha ku soo hanuuniyo.Insha allah. salaamu calaykum
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| | Unrecorded Date To Wadani Anigaa walaal xaal kaa siiyey, shakhsigaas kugu qaldamay, oo waliba sheegtay inuu ii shaqeeyo! Aniga cidi iima shaqayso ee aniga dad u sheqeeya si aan u noolaado. Calaa kulu ogow aniga cidina xagayga kama socoto. SALAAMA
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| | Unrecorded Date Waryaa & Wadani I did get your point but Waryaa, your comment applies to a system that existed and not one which is starting from scratch and to a people not as arrogant as ours. Wadani, I thank you and I agree with you that the only solution is the Shariica Law to be established in our country, then, and only then could we taste what peace is. However, The few names I posted here represent thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Somalis. I think my prediction here is the tip of the iceberg. If Somalis could agree on something this would never have happened in the first place, let's not ignore the fact that's lying in front of us. How could you communicate with the gun-totting savage to start with? Peace Ilaahow noo naxariiso
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaam....... To Waryaa!...Haddal wanaagsan dheh..Laakiinse soomaalidu waa kabadantahay 8mill...Qiyaas ahaan waa inta u dhaxaysa 20-25m.... Arinta kale ee ah 99.9% muslim...Aniga waxaan dhihi lahaa qiyaas ahaan waa 99.999873%.... Intaa wixii ka baxsan isku geedbaan fariisankarnaa!..... To Mowlid.**** Miyaadan soomalinimada ka bixin? managu soo noqotay?... Sidaan horay kuugu sheegayba Hanqaraarac lug uma dhutiyo!
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| | Unrecorded Date Mowliid macaane Afkaaga caano lagu qabay Anoo aabahay u taag la'a baa aabahayna aabihii keeneay.
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| | Unrecorded Date TO: All salaamu calaykum. Walaalayaal waxan filayaa in aynu gidigeen isku raacsannahay in xalka ugu wanaagsan ee wadankeena lagu xalinkaro dhibatadii hore, ee dhacday iyo mida maanta taagan aytahay "kitaabu allah wa sunatu rasuulu allah(pbuh)" hadaba somaalidu waxay tiraahdaa "af weykan may liki aamee" arinkaasoo u jeedadeedu tahay waar waynu helnay xalkiiye what next. anigu waxay ila tahay in aynu u baahan nahay Inaynu wadankeenii u noqono oo aynu assaasno urur amaba hay'ad hay'adaasoo shaqadeedu noqon doonto sidii aynu wax uugu qaban lahayn dalkeena iyo dadkeenaba. hadii ay noqon lahayd xag cilmiyeed oo aynu bareyno walaalaheen soomaaliyeed diinta ilaahay,cilmi maadiga, iyo hadii ay noqon laheed xag quudin oo aynu haqab tirayno baahida loo qabo sida biyaha, daawada, raashinka,iyo wixii la mid ha. Ileyn inama dhaamaan nagamana cilmi badna hay'adaha ama mashaariicda reer galbeedka. for example, doctor's with out border,care,red cross etc. kuwaasoo hoosta ku wata fidinta diinta kirishtanka, oo doonaya in ay gaaleeyaan umadan muslimka ah oo dhibaateysan walina ku faraxsan marxalada nololeed ee ay ku noolyihiin.ogna in allah subhaana watacaalaa uu u jeedo dhibaatada ay ku jiraan.ogna in ilaahay uu kasaari doono dhibkan ay ku jiraan.Insha Allah.dee walaalayaal enough is said so ma garan dee aynu horukac sameyno oo wadankeenii wax u qabano. wacalaykuma salaam sidaa iyo is akhris dambe oo wacan.
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| | Unrecorded Date LAISSEZ FAIRE IN AFRICA There exists a large country, with some ten million inhabitants, where the attitude to business is strictly laissez-faire, and where government limits its activities to protecting individual rights. There are plenty of business opportunities there and the country welcomes foreigners. Especially welcome are those entrepreneurs who are willing to establish freeports where people can conduct their lives and business ventures under the protection of laws of their own choosing. Business opportunities include fishing, live- stocking, agriculture, mining, shipping, aviation, banking, insurance, trade and tourism. The potential annual catch of fish, for example, is some 300,000 tons, of which less than two percent is being caught at present. Another good opportunity is a former game park of 7000 sq. miles, with plenty of elephants, lions and rhinos. In order to get started, this park needs an airstrip and a hotel, and the usual wherewithal to manage a wild-life reserve. Blackballed by the UN The reason why so few people know about this country is that it has been blackballed by the United Nations. Its name is Somalia, and its sin is that it defeated the UN army that came to restore the central government that the Somali nation had abolished in 1991. See the rest @ http://www.zolatimes.com/V2.31/somalia.html
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| | Unrecorded Date Kissima, Apparently you have no idea in the world you are living in. The Nordic countries aren't "somehow" as democratic as USA, but equally if not more democratic. And they are not alone, each and every country which is respectably functioning is democratic. From Argentina, South Africa, Indonisia to Taiwan!. You said "Awil from former Soviet-Union carrying Marx and Lenin book of thought"!. Again you live in a different world, this is 2000 not 70s and these books are very hard to find these days in former Soviet-Union!!. But the worst was to come when you said somebody who was living in Saudi-Arabia would want to copy their Sharia system in Somalia!! With enough of your likes, there sure won't be no coming back to Somalia, in the first place!!.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame, Somalis never had any kind of a democratic system just as they never had any kind of an Islamic Sharia. Somalis will never have either systems in Somalia in out life time, because it is not in the nature of the Somalis to accept and choose. By that I mean, the Somali people will not accept WILLINGLY one of them being a chosen PRESEDENT or AMIR. They will not accept other non-Somalis to rule over them either. So, it seems to me that both the "democracy" that the Americans rule and the "sharia" that the Saudis rule will not survive in Somalia, because the Somalis love their ways and they love their freedom so much so that they are willing to die than follow these rules imposed on them by one of them. Thus, the imported type of Sharia in Saudi-Arabia and the imported type of democracy in America are out of the Somali dream. There are as much Somali people who oppose the Saudi type of Sharia as there are Somali people who oppose the American type of democracy. So, in my opinion, the only WORKABLE rule the Somalis will accept(unwillingly) is the one Siad Barre and Aydiid wanted. This kind of rule seems to survive in Somalia long time unlike what the Saudis and Americans have.
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| | Unrecorded Date Xirsi, you have good points there, which inlight of our experiences does make sense. I was only trying to point out that "democracy" is no longer a western way of rule. Countries around the globe from every continent, religon and culture are discovering that it is the best way of governing we have, or had experienced so far in the world. But as you have rightly pointed out at this stage and level, democracy is out of the question for somalis. And indeed Siyad Barre's and Caydiid's are the most suitable at this stage. However, i don't think that the Saudi sharia rule, in substance, is much different from the Barre's and Caydiid's. Dictatorial rule, i.e. rule until you die, and then appoint your son as heir, calinism, favoritism, oligarchy, corruption, slander of public funds and brutal supression of the opponents is one of the few features that the saudi sharia and Barre-Caydid rule have in common. The later could have faired better in Somalia provided they had a lot of money and pretentious claims that they are the inheritors of the just islamic way of rule. And with all the fundamentalists that money can buy it would had been very easy to convince many normal god-fearing somalis that that IS the case!!. Bearing in mind that with the same pretentions and way of rule minus the daily flow of abundant amounts of US dollars, the Talibans sharia showed itself much less attractive than the saudis!!.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame, you said "countries around the globe from every continent, religion and culture are discovering that "democracy" is the best way of governing we have, or had experienced so far in the world", but we Somalis have never experienced it, so it means nothing to us just as we have never experienced the so called false sharia rule that Saudi Royal family rule. My point is that any kind of democratic rule is a foreign to us in Somalia, just as any kind of false sharia rule is foreign to us in Somalia. The Saudi system and what the other countries have that look like democratic system are both based on the administration of the western governments. Saudi Arabia for example is one of the western puppets. The Royal family rule their people under the guide of what the western/democratic governments decides, just as many other so called democratic rule governments in the world. Even most military dictatorial governments in world rule come under the administration of the western governments. The so called democratic governments in the world are not really democratic after all. If the regime of Saudi Arabia were against America, the Royal family would not have lasted this long. Likewise, if the regime in Egypt would not receive support and protection from the BIG WESTERN democratic governments like America, it would not have lasted either. In my opinion, when comparing an ISLAMIC SHARIA RULE and a DEMOCRATIC/CAPITALIST RULE, THE ISLAMIC SHARIA IS BY FAR THE BEST WAY OF LIFE. It is not like the world have never experienced AN ISLAMIC SHARIA THAT WORKED. The prophet and his companions established an ISLAMIC SHARIA, not only in Saudi Arabia but in many other countries in the world.
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| | Unrecorded Date I want to add something to my point. Those who dream on that there will be a DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT in Somalia in the future are no different than those who dream on that there will be an ISLAMIC SHARIA in Somalia in the future. Keep dreaming on Somali people(those who think there will be a democratic government in Somalia any time soon and those who think there will be an Islamic Shari in Somalia any time soon), because dream is GOOD; however, my dream is different and my dream is not to support anything that brings havoc in the country, because as I mentioned before there are as much Somali people who oppose the an Islamic Sharia as there are people who oppose the democracy in Somalia. I do not like the Somali democratic western puppets who kill their people in order to rule under the western system and equally so I do not like wadaado who carry a copy of the Quran in one hand and a gun in the other hand while killing other Muslims in order to rule a piece of land.
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| | Unrecorded Date Oh! one more point. What I'm saying is that those who support the western puppets in Somalia have every right to fear the wadaadada who want to rule the country. Also, those who support the wadaadada have every right to fear the western puppets who what want to rule the country. Either case, there will be blood and I'm not going to support anyone of them. AR-DU-ALAAHI WAASIC.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame the brother long time no see!. sidee tahay?. This is a good topic that requires gentle and unbiased views of in depth knowledge. Opinions are biased in nature and We draw our conclusions mostly based on our conviction about what we hold dear most. Our priorities are different although the goal we as somalis have is one. Friends, the real issue is, can islam be applied to this date and age?. If no why not?. If yes why yes?. I would like us to start our discussion with answering those questions and see if we can satisfy those who think islam is not the key and democracy as we know it and practiced in the west is the real key to solving our proplems. I HAVE A COPY HERE OF SOMETHING INTERESTING ENJOY READING IT. Islam in the Modern Age Islam is a complete way of life. It is applicable and appropriate for all people from the time of Muhammad (saw) until the last day. However we are living in a time of immense scepticism. This is a time when humans rely on oft repeated ‘norms’ and ‘truths’ rather than look at the reality of our situation and the divine truth revealed to Rasul-Allah (saw). Sceptics may ask; how can a way of life that was implemented fourteen centuries ago be applicable today? Humans have ‘progressed’ and our lives have changed dramatically since then. Our tools of production, means of trading and modes of communication would be unrecognised by the desert Arab of the 6th Century CE. Regardless of who says what about Islam; as Muslims we must believe Islam is applicable for today. We should be confident that if we live by true Islam we will be successful in this life and in the hereafter. We should not feel that dates, deserts and dromedaries are incongruous in today's world. Rather we should be proud of the setting that Allah (swt) chose to reveal the last guiding light to humankind. What of modernism? The utterances of illusionists are no longer ‘abracadabra’ and ‘hey presto’. The magic words are now; ‘new and improved’ and ‘best ever’. This Mickey Mouse, modern, plastic disposable society is obsessed with what is new and what is modern. The spin used to sell us soap powder is also used to sell us ideas about; life, culture, society and politics. Does new really mean better? Just because this is repeated to us over and over again ad nauseam, it dose not mean that it is true. The average speed of travel in a BMW on the grid-locked streets of London is no faster than horse-back in the Middle Ages. The main differences being a stereo system and one in seven children becoming asthmatics. This example may seem flippant, but we should all be quicker to question modernity than we are to question Islam. Are things really so different today? The complexities of human existence and communal living are bewildering. If we are to take stock of who we are and how we live, we will find that certain basics remain constant. We have certain organic needs and instincts that have never changed. The first man was in need of food, water and air to breath etc. All other human beings since have all had these necessities. Islam had various laws revealed concerning the intake of food. Because we have not done away with the need to eat those laws may still be lived by today. 20th Century living has not stopped Muslims from being mindful of Islamic dietary laws. Can Islam be implemented today? Allah (swt) has forbidden men from wearing gold. This was mentioned in the Sunnah. It’s just as easy for us to understand this law, implement this law and benefit from this law today as it was in the 6th century CE. This law has not changed at all. The Qur’an has forbidden the consumption of wine. The context that this was revealed was in reference to a liquid fermented from date, grapes and molasses. However, in origin, appearance, smell, texture and probably taste, ‘Johnny Walker’ Scotch Whisky is worlds apart from the drink consumed by the Arabs of jahiliyyah. Does this mean that whisky is not forbidden in Islam? Of course whisky is haram. It is no more and no less haram than wine from grapes. The nature of befogging the mind is an intrinsic quality of both whisky and wine. It is easy for us to see how the rule of khamr may even be extrapolated to something as new as alcopops. “O you who believe! When the call is proclaimed to prayer on Friday (the day of Jum‘ah), hasten earnestly to the Remembrance of Allah, and leave off business (bai‘a): That is best for you if you but knew! And when the Prayer is finished, then may you disperse through the land, and seek of the Bounty of Allah: and celebrate the Praises of Allah often (and without stint): that you may prosper.” [TMQ 62:9] This is a verse that millions of Muslims respond to, today and ever since the time of the Prophet (saw). The law that Allah (swt) has laid down in this verse is that it is forbidden for the male mature Muslim to trade at the time of Friday prayers. The word bai‘a (trading) is explicitly mentioned. However, it is not only trading that is forbidden during this period. To be more accurate, a Muslim may not busy himself during this time. ‘Busying oneself’ is still the same today and ever since the time of the Prophet (saw). ‘Busying oneself’ has never changed and never will change. To sit and watch television is still ‘busying oneself’, to read the newspaper is still ‘busying oneself’. To cook, clean or crochet is still ‘busying oneself’. All of these are far removed from trading. Nevertheless, they are all forbidden at the time of Jum‘ah. The principle of studying the text of Islam and finding its application today is a whole science in its own right. But it is a science that we should all have conviction and confidence in. Another example can be seen in the verses concerning war strategy, that were revealed in the surah al-Anfal. “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom you may not know, but whom Allah does know. Whatever you shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.” [TMQ 8:60] The underlying principle of the law is that Muslims must be prepared for war, “make ready your strength”. This is not merely to have safety catches released, but to be so prepared that the enemy is actually intimidated by the shear preparation and readiness to fight. The nature of the armaments will obviously change with time and place. However, the principle of preparation and the principle of intimidation will not. The detail of the verse refers to steeds of war, as these were the killing machines of the time. In this day and age ballistic missiles may be manufactured, paraded and used to intimidate the enemies of Islam. It is compulsory on the Islamic State to be prepared for war, in this manner. The underlying principle of befogging the mind, busying oneself at Jum‘ah, and preparing for battle, are all principles that have not changed in their essence since the time of the Prophet (saw). The fine details of these things have obviously changed but the essence and hence the rule is still apt, appropriate and applicable. Allah (swt) has blessed this Ummah with brilliant scholars that are capable of bringing rules from the Qur’an and the Sunnah. In order to better ourselves we should bring those rules into our lives. What sustains the strength of the Islamic state is not only the authority of government. The citizens must have belief and have confidence in Islam. This confidence and belief not only helps us in this life and the hereafter as individuals, but helps us to implement Islam as a whole unit. These are the political implications of us believing in Islam as a complete way of life. We should have the strength to ignore the propaganda of the West, and reject the modernist philosophy. The principle of referring back to the sources of Islam for current times is a principle completely contrary to Capitalism. The philosophy that ‘new is good’ is what instils in Capitalist nations an insatiable need for ‘newness’. As mentioned earlier, the principles that fuel Capitalism, are the same principles that fuel consumerism. Muslims should consider consumerism, capitalism and secular philosophy inextricably linked. Moreover, we should consider them all alien to Islam, i.e. Kufr. We may be justified in asking; how is it that these ideas become so popular amongst Muslims? We must remember that these ideas were not adopted by in the Islamic lands over-night. They were slowly injected into the Ummah in a most subtle and devious way. Modernism as a cover euphemism for Kufr Modernism has been used as cover to introduce the principles of secularism into the minds of Muslims. Secularism being the separation of life’s affair from reverence. A better definition would be the changing of Islam from a complete way of life to a complete sham. Historically, the Western powers found it a formidable task to destroy Islam by military means. They resorted to a more indirect approach. Missionaries, schools and propaganda campaign in the form of books etc. were all key pieces in the Westerners’ armoury against Islam. However, their master stroke was to try to destroy Islam from within. They cooked up a plot to effect the so-called intellectuals within the Islamic lands. These in turn would affect the Muslim masses via the universities and other educational establishments. The net results of this were the ‘modernist schools’. The most significant of whom were formed by Jamal al-Deen Afghani, Muhammad ‘Abdu and Rasheed Ridah. A particular area in which they devoted their attention was ruling. They reasoned that society and government had progressed significantly since the time of the Prophet (saw). For example, Rasheed Ridah once described the head of the Islamic State as being similar to a Medieval Pope! The follow-on from such outlandish statements, is a plea to the Muslims to replace the ‘old’ with the ‘new’, as the West did when they replaced the Pope with the Parliament. So, on the back of the idea of ‘modernism’, Muslims were urged to take on board a whole host of ‘new’ secular corruption, such as democracy, freedom, human rights and free market. Though they have passed away long ago, their thoughts and ideas are still wide spread throughout the Islamic world. These thoughts exist in their original forms as well as in the up-dated versions. For these founding fathers of modernism spawned a whole host of second generation pseudo-intellectuals, that are often now the so-called official spokesmen for Islam. Today we find ‘Abdu’s progeny taking positions as advisers to corrupt governments, heads of departments in universities and Imams of the ‘State Mosques’. They have continued where the others left off. They today reason with ‘those who live in the past’, to greet the ‘new’ United Nations and World Bank. They continue to undermine the understanding of Muslims of, and as a result their confidence in, Islam as a viable option in the modern age. This erosion is not confined to the field of ruling, either. Some say that there is no need for women to wear hijaab because society has outgrown its need. Others say that it is no longer sensible to pray five times a day as the pace of modern day life is much faster than at the time of the Prophet (saw). Or that fasting was only practical in the past, when the stress of revising for exams in information technology was not a problem. Indeed, Islam is crushed underfoot as they rush into their ‘brave new world’. Will they one day offer a Virtual Reality Ka‘abah for a simulated Hajj? Conclusions “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [TMQ 5:4] “And We have sent down to you the Book explaining all things.” [TMQ 16:89] Islam did not come specifically for the Bani Israel, nor the Romans nor the Persians. Neither did Islam come for the desert dwellers of the 6th Century alone. It came as a guiding light for all humankind from the time of Muhammad bin ‘Abdullah, Rasul-Allah (saw), until the end of the world. In this Muslims have confidence. In this Muslims believe. Allah’s (swt) guidance can and will be implemented in the world in its correct manner. In this also Muslims have confidence. In this also Muslims believe. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7595/Modern.htm
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| | Unrecorded Date Xirsi, again you have good points and i respect them. But it seems that the definition of DEMOCRACY and ISLAM has got out of hand here. You said that "The Saudi system and what the other countries have that look like democratic system are both based on the administration of the western governments". I really don't know how you come to the conclusion that the saudi system has the slightest resemblance to democracy!! They have brushed off to give even a lip-service to democracy, called it un-islamic and sponsored the sharia system throughout the world with dollars and an army of Itihads, Ikhwans and Islamic jihads... If you don't like their close ties with the West as well, you only need to take a look at the Talibans and Sudan. Surely you can't blame them to be West-friendly!. I think it's misleading to argue DEMOCRACY vs ISLAM. The experience has showed us that "Just Islamic Rule" can only be applied through democracy and not through intolerant war-minded wadaaddo. Bashir, nice to see you too and nabad iyo caano, thank you. I liked your second paragraph, coming from ... (let's say) an islamist!. (the second part of the phrase is a joke, i hope you don't mind). A long piece, but i've read it all. What i think of it? Well, a review of some history but many misinterpretations and wrong conclusions. First of all Afghani, Abduh and Rida were themselves staunch islamists who tried in an early stage to fend off western influence by modernizing the muslim societies. To accuse them of being corrupters of the faith, only tells how fanatic the writer of the piece is. This brings to my mind that the fanatics like very much to remind their failed followers that it is MUSLIMS who have contributed the progress of science and thought in the West. The irony is that while those early muslim scientists and men of thought lived, the same fanatics were accusing them of hereditary for coming up with un-islamic things!! and many of them have been killed for that. The rest of the article is the same old usual; condemning the modernity (damn B2s and Hawks, Saddam Husein Would have done better with good old arabic horses!!), blaming the West and everybody else except ourselves for our failure and seeing conspiracy and blots against us every where!!
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| | Unrecorded Date I didn't say that "the saudi system has the slightest resemblance to democracy!!". Thousands of Saudis are sitting in jail after they spoke out the injustice of the Saudi Royal family and the connection between the Saudi Royal family and the West, YET The Saudi Royal family who rule Saudi Arabian people receive protection, support and silent treatment from the west, the so called champion of democracy.! Warsame, are you denying that the Saudi Royal family are one of the puppets of America, the chapinion of DEMOCRACY? Also, in Algeria there was a democratic election that turned out the way the West did not want, so what did the West do? The West, the so called champion of DEMOCRACY showed everyone their true colors(that they are not really for democracy, the people's choice). Yes, you are right that "the experience has showed us that a "Just Islamic Rule" can only be applied through democracy and not through intolerant war-minded wadaaddo" and "not through greedy capitalistic democracy which the West rules" Therefore, ONLY A TRUE ISLAMIC SHARIA IS THE BEST WAY OF LIFE. THE world HAS experienced AN ISLAMIC SHARIA THAT WORKED. The prophet's companions established an ISLAMIC SHARIA, not only in Saudi Arabia but in many other countries in the world.
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| | Unrecorded Date when i see what the west is doing to africa i think to my self we need to go as far away from the west as possible maybe even to the extent of going total sharea law. but i also appreciate the fact that a whole nation coild not be asked to behave uniformly after all we are not sheep or a bunch of ropots. we are human beings who have their diffrences of mind and standards of life. in any case i think one of the best tenants of Islamic law coinsides with one of the basic rules of demoracy. and that is the fact that no one should be forced into what faith they should believe in. after all Ilaahay does not appreciate the cibaado that comes from a person who does it only because it is the law of the
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| | Unrecorded Date Good Points here, specially Warsame & Waryaa XirsI: With due respect, you analogy that the Sharia of the Prophet’s era is the only one feasible to govern today’s Somalia is grabbling straws - quite unrealistic for the following reasons. The world has evolved at such neck breaking speed that it shares little resemblance to the of the Prophet. Therefore beside Sharia, new tools of governing is required…what worked thousands of years ago are not necessarily the solutions for todays needs. Here is a sample,  The scientific frontiers have been extended, we no longer have to travel on Camels for days to relay messages or bring supplies, telephone facilitated the speed of communication not to mention Internet.  Live expectancy increased due to Medical advancement So to say what worked then is gonna work now is just plain too simplistic, rather we may take combinations of all to fit the reality of today specially the Somali situation.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mac Buud, maybe your eyes are playing tricks on you. You see, I didn't say that "the Sharia of the Prophet's era is the only one feasible to govern today's Somalis". I said "in my opinion, the only WORKABLE rule the Somalis will accept(unwillingly) is the one Siad Barre and Aydiid wanted. This kind of rule seems to survive in Somalia long time unlike what the Saudis and the Americans have". > The world has evolved at such neck breaking > speed that it shares little resemblance to the > of the Prophet. But the Islam and the law(the Sharia of Allah) does not change and It is the only thing that is acceptable to Allah, right? > Therefore beside Sharia, new tools of governing > is required No. Any "new tools of governing" that contradict Allah's Sharia is not one "required" by a true Muslim. > what worked thousands of years ago are not > necessarily the solutions for todays needs. Again, what contradicts the religion of Islam(no matter how *new* it may be) can not be "the solutions for today's needs". We are always in "need" of Allah's law(rules and regulations) and it is "necessarily" and it is "required" us to obey it. Allah's prophet established "solutions" and Islam in this world; he ruled by the BOOK; we still have the BOOK he used. In other word, Islam is not invalid anymore. Therefore, anything that CONTRADICTS ISLAM is not a *solution, but a *problem*. >  The scientific frontiers have been > extended, we no longer have to travel on Camels > for days to relay messages or bring supplies, > telephone facilitated the speed of > communication not to mention Internet. I didn't know that the use of "Camels" as a trasportation was something Allah ruled on.! I didn't know that having "telephone" and "internet" use was something that the BOOK of Allah(the QURAAN) forbids. ! >  Live expectancy increased due to > Medical advancement It is still the LAW of Allah that KULI NAFSIN DAA'IKHATUL MOWD". People still die dispite the "medical advancement".! Using medicine to cure people is not what the Sharia disapproves of. If someone is dying for hunger and can't find any food, he is allowed to eat pork in order to safe his life, but he still could die after he eats the pork. And in the same way, if someone is sick and doctors cure him, he can still die. No human being can delay when someone's death comes; no doctor can bring another person to life. > So to say what worked then is gonna work now is > just plain too simplistic, rather we may take > combinations of all to fit the reality of today > specially the Somali situation. Mac Buud, I can tell you that the "reality of today" in Somalia is not a "simplistic" thing. If you *refuse* an Islamic Sharia and instead desire the so called democratic/capitalistic greed for Somalia, there are many Somalis like you, who also *refuse* what you desire. Thus, JUG JUG MAHAADA JOOG. What you think is good for you or for Somalia, is not going to be good for another Somali. You will call him WADAAD and he will call you a PUPPET, or worst there will be blood between Muslims(you and him) and if that happens, I'm going to run away from you two.
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| | Unrecorded Date Xirsi, I reckon you the one who is seeing double. I never advocated that one should rule without Sharia, rather in combination why should they be mutually exclusive? Let me joggle your memory here is what I said; .> we may take combinations of all to fit the reality of today specially the Somali equation. You see psuedo-religious experts always use religion as a battering Ram to further their skewed view points and anybody who dares to deviate from that view is open season for being accused as unislamic therefore marginalized. The Modern Tecnology and advances in Medical fields issue was meant serve as a contrast not a replacement of Sharia as you claim but then I met many of your lot, they only know one way and that's their way. Their inability to accommodate other views always astonished me, familiar line they always take is Islam against the world and I am the saviour go figure Peace
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| | Unrecorded Date Mac Buud, > Xirsi, I reckon you the one who is seeing > double. I never advocated that one should rule > without Sharia, rather in combination why > should they be mutually exclusive? Mac Buud, let me show you where you are "double" talking and compromising the Sharia. You see, when you "advocate" the *combination* of Allah's law that govern people and man made laws that are against Allah's laws(Sharia), you are *comprimising* the Sharia. For example, Mac Buud, if you rule what is in the BOOK(Sharia) along with what is against the BOOK(Sharia), like capitalism, an economy based on interest, you are *compromising* the religion. But there is no such thing in Islam as compromising the LAW of ALLAH(Sharia). You see, XAQ and BAADIL are never *mutually exclusive*.
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| | Unrecorded Date A brother suggested that with the advent of the medical breakthroughs, life expectancy is longer than it used to be. I would like us to expose this saying to a wonderful verse in the quran in which Allah almighty says: "39.42 "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed. Verily in this are Signs for those who reflect." In this verse almighty Allah teaches us that he keeps the souls of those who are destined to die after they sleep and sends others(waking up) to go about their bussiness untill their appointed time comes. My question to the people is; How can we then believe that life can be extended beyond the appointed time?. Also need I remind Don't-tell-us and we-know-it-all brothers that one of the islamic tenets teaches "DESTINY". Islam is not a guess work or I can figure it out on my own. It is devine teaching that encourages reflection and purity of the souls as well as the bodies. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH TECHNOLOGY. After all the quran was not revealed to teach us how to drive a car or fly a jet, but to purify our soul from believes that dominate the thinking of the being and cause him to become a despised animal after god made him a respectable being. I hope people don't confuse faith with material things that are man made in due progress. Where does the camel fit in then?. It was reported that the prophet said "You know better your material world" indicating that progress of any kind is not hindered by islam but the first words that were revealed were saying: "1. READ in the name of YOUR Lord and Cherisher, Who created- 2. Created man, out of a leech-like clot: 3. Read And your Lord is Most Bountiful,- 4. He Who taught (the use of) the Pen,- 5. Taught man that which he knew not. 6. Nay, but man does transgress all bounds, 7. In that he lookes upon himself as self-sufficient. 8. Verily, to your Lord is the return (of all). So it is ALLAH that teaches people what they know BUT who admits that?. I wonder why many human beings are so arrogant in themselves that they don't see they rely on and be sustained by their lord. WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING UNLESS WE ARE THOUGHT BY GOD: Remove from the retina of the eye what enables it to see and discern the color. We have a color blind person. Can you convince him there is green or blue or yellow?. No all he knows and can see is black and white. IMAGINE IF GOD DIDN'T CREATE IN US THE ABILITY TO SEE THE COLOUR. WE WOULDN'T KNOW COLOR EXISTS. This is how ALLAH claims ON US MANY MERCIES THAT HE BESTOWED ON US HUMANS but as the verses indicate "BUT MAN TRANSGRESSES ALL BOUNDRIES". Human beings are weak unless they are made strong by the THE THNGS ALLAH CREATED FOR THEM. He provided the water,the roof(sky), the floor(earth), the air, and gave us the MOST IMPORTANT THING OF ALL "INTELLIGENCE" to differentiate the good from the bad, the helpful from the unhelpful and so forth. Now IF HE TOLD US TO LIVE BY HIS RULING HE DESERVES TO BE HEARD. And if people refuse he is not in need of HUMANITY. And if you think YOU ARE TOO CIVILIZED FOR IT leave those WHO LOVE IT ALONE and don't FEAST ON THEM, EATING THEIR FLESH AND BE PROUD OF IT. "And those who believe, their utmost love is for ALLAH".
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| | Unrecorded Date xirsi: Let me show you your double talk; in your earlier post here is what you claimed. >You see, I didn't say that "the Sharia of the >Prophet's era is the only one feasible to govern >today's Somalis". In your most current post, again you voiced different tune as shown below. >For example, Mac Buud, if you rule what is in >the BOOK(Sharia) along with what is against the >BOOK(Sharia), like capitalism, an economy based >on interest, you are *compromising* the >religion. But there is no such thing in Islam as >compromising the LAW of ALLAH(Sharia). You see, >XAQ and BAADIL are never *mutually exclusive*. It's really futile to banter mindlessly back and forth, nobody claimed a rule that's contrary to Sharia (Show me where I said that) & you are really making it an Issue of "Islamic way or No way" Why don't you simply state that you will only accept strictly Islamic rule i.e ala Sudan or Afghanistan I would respect that.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mac Buud, Well said brother. I was always amazed how the fanatics,through, abuse of islam, fear and intimidation, lies and hypocracy, have succeeded to convince many ignorants to rally their cause. The Sharia of the fanatics along their model of society WAS NEVER APPLIED AND NEVER WILL BE. And they know that themselves. What they REALLY want is to RULE the rest, just as they do in the Afganistan and Sudan. The point is how long these brain washed ignorants will realise just that, and spare our society from terrible fate that awaits it, should the fanatics ever rule them.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mac Buud, > It's really futile to banter mindlessly back > and forth, nobody claimed a rule that's > contrary to Sharia (Show me where I said that) Well, Mac Buud. I gave you an example where you as a Western PUPPET would *advocate* a compromise. I told you that you that there is no such thing as comprimise in Islam where you take the middle ground. In other word, there is no give an take where you say I take this from Islam and I take that from non-Islamic law. For example, "you would go against Allah's LAW(Sharia) when you rule what is in the BOOK(Sharia) along with what is against the BOOK(Sharia), like capitalism, an economy based on interest". Warsame wrote: > What they REALLY want is to RULE the rest, just > as they do in the Afganistan and Sudan. So, if Somali WADAADA want the same things that Afganistan and Sudan want, what do Warsame, Mac Buud and the rest of WESTERN PUPPETS want for Somalia? Do they want a PURE ISLAMIC SHARIA which Allah chose for us in his BOOK and in His prophet's examples or do they want mix that with what goes against it like INTEREST BASED ECONOMY and other things?
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| | Unrecorded Date I mean, there is no difference between those(the WADAADA) who say that they are for Allah's rule when taking guns and killing their own Muslim brothers while claiming to establish Islamic Sharia in the land and those(THE PUPPETS) who say they are for Allah's rule while taking guns and by being puppets to the western countries and by being SLAVES to their previous masters. As I mentioned before, if and when it comes to this in Somalia where these two groups engage blood shed with each other and while each claiming to uphold Allah's rule, I would run away from them. I have nothing to do with those who kill their own Muslims brothers in the name of Allah and those puppets who want to rule Somalia in the name of *compromise* and the *mutually exclusive* of XAQ and BAADIL. I mean give me PURE ISLAMIC SHARIA, the one the SAHAABA ruled where they practiced PEACE. The SAHAABA didn't kill their own Mulsim brothers and they did not COMPOMISE the diin.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame, > The point is how long these brain washed > ignorants will realise just that, and spare our > society from terrible fate that awaits it, > should the fanatics ever rule them. We also know the "fate that awaits" the Somali Muslims "should" Somali puppets, who blindly comply what their masters dictate, rule Somalia. You see, the Somali puppets such as Warsame and Mac Buud think that they the Somali intellectuals. Should they rule Somali, they know that they will serve the western interests. These Somali puppets know that they can count on their master's help and recieve assistance from the so called "democratic" countries. The Somali puppets will sell their own souls and when the masses, the Somali Muslims, voice their Islamic rights, the Somali puppets know that they would recieve guns and torture apparatus from the so called "democtratic" countries. These puppets would enjoy silence treatment from the so called human right activists. These Somali puppets are going to be the western tools in order to oppress others and they are going to be nothing but the internal enemies their own people. Check out the current regimes and leaders of the countries where Muslims live. They are ruthless dictators and killers.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame. your name is a somali name that translates into "A teller of good things" that pleases people. I know you are not that bad(only if you allow me I would say a little twisted may be). I say this expecting a backlash in manifolds or ten to the power of gig. Let us be honest and talk as a man to man okey!. If you are better than the people(including me) you call all the negative vocubs you can find, why not be better than them(me) and talk nice?. You know I think I can borrow one of your phrases and say to you "you are a fanatic only on the other side of the aisle". If you have more intellect(which you may have) than me, don't you think you would behave better than I do?. and not be as this loose cannon for a lack of a better word. A while back you told me " you are in for a change" meaning you are not stabborn and opinionated, but for the last days, I see you become a crusader of somekind(don't take it as the other crusaders). Brother, You should be ashamed of your acts for the last two days in the forumss. I don't care what you think of me, because I know I can talk to you as a brother. As happens in somali society, there may be brothers in the same house having different views of things including religion, but they shouldn't go all the way to deprive of each other rights that belong to anyone of them. In this case, as much as you have the right to voice your civilization and unique intellect, I belive Other people(including me) have the same right. Only when you treat people on equal terms, can you find solace and a friend on the other side. You can accomplish nothing with this attitude of " I know it all" or "others are nothing but ignorants". That is what I get from your messages. As for Islam, you can read it for yourself that it has limits that no one can cross. because of its nature both muslims and non muslims have to respect it. and if we find a muslim(who is not well educated in islam) or a nonmuslim who has other projects(like the guy who said "a must read for all" "somalis accept christ") , people have the right to respond in kind and please you can put your words of advice or side with whom you want, but don't respond while you are angry. Because anger serves the bad side of yourself. Hey you call me all the names you want.
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| | Unrecorded Date Bashir, nice to write to you again!. You seem to be expecting negative answers from me, i don't think that i gave reason for such. In fact you wrote a nice piece and i thank you for the advice, it is well taken. Indeed i consider you a "cyber-friend", and as i said before you are a person whom we can have reasonable discussion. But allow me Bashir, to point out that while you tell me that i, my self, am going sometimes to the extremes and that i should be sensitive to other somali brother's views and choices (including you), you never adressed the same points to the many fanatic abusers whom this forums is filled with. Indeed, while you yourself, are for the most of the time a reasonable moderate person, you never said anything against religious fanaticism even when i directly raised the issue with you a while ago. So, while your advice to me is well taken and your words are praisable per sig, i suspect that they are "politically motivated". You see the issue is not islam. We somalis, are muslims, have been so for hundreds of years and will be ever after, period. I praise your stand to Mr. Michael and his likes, but we are solid muslims, more so than even other muslim nations. No conversion campaigns can ever change that. Indeed the time of mass conversions is over. But the issue of religious fanaticism is a societal problem, and is a doomsday to any society that embraces it. History and events in front of our eyes prove it. I have no stakes in Somalia's current or future rule, but i care for my country and people and thats why i want to raise this deadly societal problem which religious fanaticsm is. You know, Bashir, what i am talking about, but for some reasons you choose to ignore it or even sometimes sponsor it. Obviously, i can not speculate the reasons. Anyway, so long bro.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame and Bashir, While reading what you guys say or accuse about each other, it seems to me that there is only one way to settle the issue of who is a fanatic/extremist and who is not. Since we know that there are fanatics and extremists in Somalia who want to take over and rule Somalia in their ways. You see, the Somali WADAADADA, those who want to establish sharia in Somalia, by any means necessary, even if they have to kill another Muslim brother and the Somali PUPPETS, those want to serve the western interests in Somalia, even if they have to fight and go against their Muslim brothers in Somalia, are nothing but extremists and fanatics. We know that there will be no agreement or compromise between these two groups, each views the other as extremists and fanatics and each thinks that the other is dangerous to the Somali interest and in the end, there will be blood. They both will go to hell as far as I’m concern for the killing they caused and the stand they took. None of them are serving the interest of their Muslim people. So, if Bashir wants what these Somali WADAADADA want for Somalia, he is with them and like them and if Warsame wants what these Somali PUPPETS want for Somalia, he is with them and like them. As for me, I will not support anyone one of them. I'll run away from them. Let them rule the country and whoever wins, will not succeed and live peacefully in his country and at the end, judgment is waiting for them in the hereafter. They have to answer what they did. The prophet(pbuh) was reported to have said, if two Muslims fight and one kills the other, they are both going to hell, even if the one who is killed and the one who killed as right. I just request that if one of them wins and rules the country that they give me PEACE and let me go earn my living PEACEFULLY and worship my LORD or ARDU-LAAHI WAASIC.
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| | Unrecorded Date Warsame. It might be too late to respond to your last message taking your entry date into consideration, but wieghing on the propability, you might likely see my posting. hopefully. Well, brother, you folded all things you wanted to say and molded them into one single phrase "MY SPEECH MAY BE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED". You are right warsame, all things we say are subject to and liable for "perception". Perceptions are perhaps the most difficult things to unify, because each one of us sees things differently and thus our perception of things and objects are variably translated. However mr warsame, if we agree we to disagree, I think we can achieve something. You know, I am completely a different person than when I started here four or so months ago. I think I grew in wisdom due to writing to different people or reading their postings. I reflect on some of my writings silently and reread them to see where I messed up. At times, I can see a mistake of mine but try to look for excuses in my mind so I don't worry. But some of them can't be let go. I hope I learned from those mistakes. The worst thing I can do here "is do a huge damage to someone's positive thinking of islam for example and change it to disgustful subject when it is mentioned near him". You think that will do me any good?. No. I try to be careful as not to make mistakes like that. So I can understand where you coming from sometimes. Although you are harshly anti something. I am confused little about your rejections. May be you could shed a little more light on them so I can go FIGURE. Is this pollitically motivated too?. MAYA warsame. I want you talk so I can listen without interruption may be. It is funny how people would like others to be super imposed on their ideas and beliefs. I LIKE YOU TO THINK LIKE ME BUT NOT ACT LIKE ME. Would you show a little more patience to brothers like me?. May be I should give you some privacy so you can enjoy your privilleges in the forumss. Let me know what you think.
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| | Unrecorded Date Hello! Bashir. Are we being therapists here or what?!. And if i throw out my inner convulsions, don't you think it's a bit overcrowded here in the forums?!. By the way i admire your skills to turn the tables upside down. You have been rediculing me, a while back, to have called for such nonsense, strange words as tolerance and respect for the fellow human being. Words that have prompted your indignation so much so, you asked me to "talk like a Somali"!!. Now, and all of a sudden it's me who is "harshly anti-something" "[my] rejections" and has to justify why is it so!. I don't think i have "folded...molded" things. I have accepted your advice, while pointing out my resevation. I, then, clearly stated how i see the issue you referred to. But keeping the words [folding...molding] in mind, let's see how responded to my points. I said that you didn't addressed the same words of moderation, respect and sesitivity to other peoples view to the many fanatics we have in this forums. Your answer to this was (if i correctly understood you): "The worst thing I can do here is do a huge damage to someone's positive thinking of islam for example and change it to disgustful subject when it is mentioned near him. You think that will do me any good?". Now i must ask you, what on earth has abuse, insult, petty namecalling -to fellow somali muslims and human beings for that matter, got to do with "positive thinking of islam" which is contrary to every single act of the above acts?. Have you ever thought that these people themselves have done a considerable damage to the image of islam, and by trying to convey to them the real essence of islam, you would be doing a good service to Islam?. I agree with you that our social experience, the live we lead or have led, form our views or perceptions. I, for one, am not denying this and stand and claim that: "I'm talking on behalf of Allah or the Prophet"!. Although they have the luxury of having their personal views, and their pocket and power interests in the process inshrined as divine laws and opponents have to fear for their lives. But then again i think of unfluttering things which go with it: abusing our religion, lying, deceiving, killing and worst of all doing all this using the religion.
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| | Unrecorded Date warsame. You said:"Are we being therapists here or what?!.". I would say yes. What we can't achieve in a reconciliatory manner or aspect, we can't achieve it otherwise. So I think we doing a sort of healing. Letting the other person get off his load from his chest and be heard. I believe we are all connected hypnotically if we are somalis but don't understand how to communicate through the channels of mutual understanding. We choose to fight when all we need to do is say "hallow". You said:"And if i throw out my inner convulsions, don't you think it's a bit overcrowded here in the forums?!". Thanks to allah who made individuals uniquely designed creatures. Everyone has something positive to contribute. At least most of us. And no it is not crowded already. We need all we can get. You said:"By the way i admire your skills to turn the tables upside down. You have been rediculing me, a while back, to have called for such nonsense , strange words as tolerance and respect for the fellow human being." . I thought I agreed with you on those terms as tolerance and respect as long as others keep it to that level and not inflame emotions that can result in negative responses. I leave that to that. You said"Words that have prompted your indignation so much so, you asked me to"talk like a Somali"!!. What I meant by talking like somali was that don't act that other brothers are stranged people. You can talk to them and tell them they are wrong if you are in a better position and mood. And if they accept fine. And if they don't, you did your share of the responsibilty. If we all behave well, it refelcts on everyone of us. And if we behave badly, it also reflects on us. This is somali people talking to each other in the forumss. It reflects their thinking and how they behave. I hope I made myself more understandable. You said:"Now i must ask you, what on earth has abuse, insult, petty namecalling -to fellow somali muslims and human beings for that matter, got to do with "positive thinking of islam" which is contrary to every single act of the above acts?." In short, Nothing. that is exactly what I was saying. May be you thought I was aiming at non somali entity. I am not biased when I talk to you but just think you are friendly enough to be advised. I hope you don't think I am selective at doing what I am doing. Most of the time I like not to get involved in anything except where and when I think it is appropriate. Lastly, you said"I agree with you that our social experience, the live we lead or have led, form our views or perceptions. I, for one, am not denying this and stand and claim that: "I'm talking on behalf of Allah or the Prophet"!. I knew before you were not in denial. And for the last part of your comment I think I am not sure I can generilze all people and say they all behave the same way. May be I do and don't realize it. Tell me I always stand corrected. you said:"But then again i think of unfluttering things which go with it: abusing our religion,lying, deceiving, killing and worst of all doing all this using the religion." I can't agree with this one warsame. A man of god doesn't do all of the above. whoever does those things knows how to explain them may be. That is as far as I can comment on that one. I am not willing to be accountable in what I wasn't/ain't witness to it. This one was funny"By the way i admire your skills to turn the tables upside down.". There is no personal gain for me in your harrassment if I do. I just believe everyone stands CORRECTED. Although I didn't ask you whether if I could talk to you or not, I know you through your writings and think I can talk to you in what I think is okey with you and use a little of your words.
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| | Unrecorded Date "i love the topic" to begin with i don't think you are somali. not that i don't like what you said,you spoke as if everthing is elusive in somalia. maybe you are right. secondly i think you raised a topic worth debating. i belong to a community [somali]that has no disagreement but has thousands of differences. we can't agree on any single issue, regardless of how minute it is. so this issu which any civilized community could handle easily will be too ditructive for us. i'm in the USA. but i'm for the sharia which is far from being confined to Saudi arabia and democracy can go with islam maybe not for us who can't agree on anything but sure islam is democracy. but my wish is that you the anarchist could let us come back and treat us as foreigners so that we don't import those problems
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| | Unrecorded Date TO: KISSIMA...!!!!!!!!! CRAZY PEOPLE..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HADII AY SOOMAALIIDU ( KUWA REER BAADIYAHA AH ) KUWII (NOT EVERONE) AY UGU HOREYSAY DIBADAHA AY KU DAYSADAAN " GAALADA " MAXAA ULA YAABEESAAN EE WAA BADOW OO WALIGOOD AANAN DAMEER MAHANEE WAX KALE AANAN ARAG!!!!!!!!!! SO,MA INAAN KU DABA DAYSANO MIYAA ??? MISA INAAN YASNO???????? MY OPINION IS: YASA , SABABTOO AH WAA REER BAADIYAAL AANAN WAXBA AHEYN.. IN LAGASA HADLO MAHAN BECAUSE MARKAAS BEY WAX ISKU MOODAYAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***LAAKIINSE HADII AY FIKRAD FIICAN AY KEENAAN MID SHARUUCDEENA & DHAQANKEENA KU HABOON THEN I SAY : WELCOME !!!!!!!!!! **** OTHER WISE : •••• THEM!!!!!!!!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date SOMALIANS.... Intaad SOMALIA fataxada u mari laheeeydeen U guys are arguing in your PYJAMAS....I reckon if you guys stop dwelling in the past....and concentrate on the future and put everything on ALLAH....We would be fine...DON'T U THINK? Everyone in here is trying to preach....unnecessarily.....My advice is simple people......Abide by Allah's laws and you will be ALL RIGHT.....Inshallah PEACE TROUBLE
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| | Unrecorded Date Hello to all those who are reading this message. I apologize for the fact that I am leaving this message in an area of the forums that is of a different subject matter than my message. But I really need this message to be read by some Somali people. Before I begin my message, please keep in mind that if you wish to respond to me about my message, you will have to e-mail me, because most likely, I will NOT return to see what messages are posted in this forums in response to what you are about to read. I am not Somali, but I am learning the Somali language. It is TRULY a beautiful language as I hear it spoken. I live in U.S.A.. There are Somalis around me, and some of them are even my friends. As I study the Somali language, I am coming across a number of hurdles, some of which I cannot overcome without the help of others. I have some Somali-English dictionaries, but that is not enough. For that reason I am humbly requesting that if there is any person who is willing to help me in my efforts, could you please e-mail me. I would only need to send you one e-mail about every 3 weeks (or even less often than that). My questions would be in the e-mail. The time it would take you to answer the questions in each e-mail would be 10 minutes or less. I know that I am not supposed to advertise in this forums. But I'm not actually trying to sell anything, and I hope that my message does not fall into an unacceptable category with regard to what is allowed in this forums. If this is the case, then I do apologize. But in all honesty, I am just sincerely trying to learn your language, and I need some help. In the past, when I have tried to ask some other Somali people for help, I have found more or less the same questions to be asked to me. So, I will state these facts now, since I imagine that some of you may be hesitant to help unless you knew this information: -=-=-=-=-=- The reason I'm learning Somali is for multiple reasons: (1) I have some Somali friends, and would like to be able to talk with them also in their language (2) I'm an open-minded person with regard to other cultures, and I try not to be single-minded, and I think it's good to know about others. (3) I see Somali people where I work, and some of them are even my friends-- and I would like to be able to communicate in their language with them. (4) I enjoy studying foreign languages in general. (5) I think it is a very beautiful language. -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- About myself: I'm male, student and working, and I live in U.S.A -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- Some of the Somali people that I have asked for help in the past have said, "why don't you ask for help from the Somali people that you see in your city?" The reason why that is not practical is because of the time issue. I am trying to get more that 1 helper. Why? Because through my asking certain Somalis my various questions in the past, I have noticed that certain words are not recognized by certain individuals. Often, I get the response, "There are different dialects, depending on whether you are from the North of Somalia, the South of Somalia, etc.". Or, “We don’t use that word, I’m from the North, etc.”. Then, if I ask a different person who is from a different region, he / she would often times end up knowing the word. I have seen that certain words I would ask a person, he / she might know what it means, but another person would not have ever heard of the particular Somali word (and visa-a-versa ). The questions I ask Somali people are stemming from my readings in the Somali language, AND THESE BOOKS ARE DIFFERENT BOOKS WHICH ARE WRITTEN BY AUTHORS WHO ARE FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AND WHO HAVE DIFFERENT DIALECTS (people, some of which may be from the North, or some of which might be from the south). I need to have helpers from different places in Somalia. That is why I need more than 1 helper. So for this reason, I am in essence trying to get more than one helper in order to get that needed variety of dialects in order to get the answers to my various questions. Please forgive me if I have said anything wrong or incorrect about that, but this is my experience to this point, and this is what some Somali people around me have explained to me so far. So my basic idea is to be able to send my e-mail questions to more than 1 person (to a couple of people who are from different places in Somalia). That way, I can be sure to get the answer (that only a person from the North might be aware of, or only an answer that a person from the South might be aware of). That is why it is not practical to ask people in person in my city because it takes too much time running around trying to get different responses from different people with different dialects if the first person I ask does not know the answer perhaps due to the fact that this person is not from a certain region where a certain word is not even used (and this word just happens to be the word that I'm asking for the meaning of). -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- "Why don't you just go to one of those Somali web sites and get grammar books and stuff?" This is also not enough. I have already bought some English-Somali dictionaries, and I have access to Somali grammar books. But there are some questions that you need to ask others. For example, here is one question that you might receive from me: in a Somali text that I was reading, I saw this sentence, <<Hadda waa nin weyn >> . . I already knew the meanings of the individual words, "Hadda" = "Now / just now" <><> "waa nin" = "he's a man / it's a man" <><> "weyn" = "big". But I'm almost sure, based on the context in which this word appeared that the author was NOT talking about a BIG man, like a giant. I was thinking perhaps "weyn" was being used in the sense "adult" or "older / old man". But I was not sure. This was an example where I really needed a Somali person to let me type out this sentence to him / her in an e-mail (as well as the sentence before and after it), and then to have that helper simply explain the following information: "WEYNcan also mean 'such and such' and that in this sentence where the word WEYN is used, it means 'such and such'." -- Because I don't have the experience of hearing the language spoken in context (because I can't understand Somali spoken fluently yet), I sometimes need the help of a person who has heard these words used in various ways, and who is able to give an easy 3 second answer off the top of his / her head because it's his / her native language, whereas I can not do that. There is another reason why I need more than 1 helper. Because these questions pop up often when I do my readings in Somali. I want more than 1 helper because I DON’T want to burden and overload a small number of helpers with my questions in e-mails every 2 days. That is not polite, and it is inappropriate. So, I’m going to get enough helpers to that I can divide up my questions among various people. That way, my MANY questions are being answered, but each individual is only answering about 1 e-mail every 3 weeks. And each e-mail only takes about 10 minutes or less to answer the questions. After all, if a person is kind enough to offer his / her help, then the least I can do is keep my questions to a limit for that person. -=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=- And the last question that I've gotten a lot of times is, "Hey man, you are Somali, why don't you just admit it! I don't believe you!" No, I am not Somali. I am American. I cannot prove it unless you live in my city and meet me. -=-=-=-=-=- Well, I think that is about it. Once again, I apologize if this message is inappropriate for this area of the forums. If any person is willing to help me, I WOULD VERY MUCH SO appreciate it. Basically, I need a person who speaks both Somali and English fluently, and who is also able to read the Somali language. And by the way, please keep in mind that if you wish to respond to me about my message, you will have to e-mail me, because most likely, I will NOT return to see what messages are posted in this forums in response to what you have just read. My e-mail is as follows… gateway388@hotmail.com
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| | Unrecorded Date TO ALL PUPPETS: Let me tell you, you are in a dream. We, somalis, would rather have fanatics/extremists/terrorists rule us than Western Puppets. You know how we treat "Gaalo" and "Jaajuus". IF you are really somalis, and know the somalis well, how would you dream about a somalia with no sharia and with western democratic law. Don't you know Siad Barre's end began the day he tried to change the somali sharia family law to Russian comminnism law. Plus, now we have more "WADAADO" than ever before. My advice: you better not go to somalia if you believe somalis are better off without islamic law.
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| | Unrecorded Date KISSIMA, Ilaaheey kitaabkiisa quraanka ah wuxuu ku yiri haddii aad wax isku qabtaan,unoqda kibtaabka quraanka isagaa idin kala saari & I think this is the best to rule somalia at the moment.
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