     MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
I am seriously thinking about going back to Somalia. I am a US Army soldier and I fought in Somalia. I was there in '92, '93' and '94. Of course I am aware of the risks but I think that with reasonable security and a cautious approach it should be possible to return and survive. My goals are to build local road networks (in villages) and using wind power along the coast establish local power grids. This should facillitate the establishment of cottage inductries and the expansion of existing projects. This in turn should increase revenue flows and improve local economic situations. Eventually we can apply these principals to Mogadischu. The goal is to improve the economic situation parralel with a political effort to establish a national government which allows sufficient local autonomy in each region to prevent a serious abuse of power out of any central authority that is established. If sufficient stability can be achieved then Somalia should be able to exploit its existing oil reserves. With sufficient oil income Somalia should be able to rebuild its atrophied infrastructure and invest in education and economic projects for the future. I believe this is all possible and am looking for people who would like to go home and change the face of their country so it can rejoin the community of nations. I would like to hear the opinions of others and how this can be achieved. |
| ReaLdeaL | Unrecorded Date
Did you say the government should,,,,,,,,,
Let the Child learn how to walk first, before you ask him to Run.
No Laws, No Justice
No justice, No Peace
No peace, No Government
No Government, No progress
No Progress, No Livelyhood
No livelihood, No Order,
No Order, No Laws....
Back to the Top,, |
| Surfer | Unrecorded Date
Mad Mac, is your intention to spread Christianity?
If that is the case, you will be fed to the sharks. |
| Sam | Unrecorded Date
How about you take care of the inner cities of America first before you turn to other countries.
There are some Ghettos in the united states that are in worse shape than somalia. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Surfer
Chill dude. First of all I'm not religious. Secondly I'm not a Christain. Thirdly, if you failed to feed me to the sharks in '93 what makes you think you could do it now? Of course, the Somalis have an amazing talent for finding the goose that laid the golden egg and killing it. Now, can you take a look at the plan and tell me what you think? Do you think it's feasible to take this approach and if so where in Somalia would you start? I definately want to start somewhere in the South, North of Benadir starts to get to hot!! |
| yourNightMare | Unrecorded Date
White boy, correct me if am wrong , did they not Kick your Ass out ?
Infact, they kicked your Ass soo hard I think they left a shoe in there, thats why you walk kinda funny.. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Sam
Can't be everywhere. The US has a functional government to deal with internal problems. I lack the expertise to do much there. But vis-a-vis Somalia I have a lot of expertise. And I can probably leverage USAID and the German Government for works projects. I think the Somalia has great potential for wind power along the coast because of the temperature inversions which cause a steady, strong wind. Anyway, do you think the plan could work? |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Nightmare
You've got an interesting interpretation of the truth. The Haber Gedir got their asses kicked. Our casualties were relatively light. My government may have lacked the will but my Army did not. The SNA should count its blessings that the American political will was so weak or they would have been smoked like a cheap cigar. And please don't start trying to tell me otherwise because I was there and I know what was going on. Nothing more annoying than someone talking smack who's basically clueless. Now can you take a look at the original question and make an informed comment? |
| YourNightMare | Unrecorded Date
clueless ? I dont think soo white boy, You sent in the Rangers the so called "American elite Squad" ,they were smoked and I mean smoooooked.
Yeah you right, your government lacked the will and the stomach to watch their little white boys get schooled by ill equiped rag tag sixteen year olds.
You are lucky you left in time...otherwise Vietnam would have looked like a picnic. |
| Sam` | Unrecorded Date
A Functional Government ? Or you meant disfunctional ?
How else would you explain the chaos in the inner cities ? Do you guys have a policy of selective development ?
Is it an oversight or just plain old white hypocrasy ?
A functional government does not allow its citizens to live in such misery.
AS far as your plan goes it can work in a stable country. Not contemporary Somalia. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Sam
What approach would you take in contemporary Somalia? Clearly the problem is deep and complex. You got any ideas?
Also, please don't ask me to defend American local politics. I've hardly lived there in the last 15 years and I don't pay much attention to the problems of American inner cities - or any other internal American problems. |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad-mac.
May be internal affairs are better suited for the occasion. As they say charity begins at home. Start where it hurts most. Your home. America needs your help. Perhaps you should bend and twist the racist constitution of your country and let blacks be emancipated from the doggy life. I know a lot of brotehrs are suffering in the gutters homeboy. Let me ask, are a yankee or redneck?. |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
I hate rednecks, the oversize pickup trucks they drive in the highways drive me nutts. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Adventurer
I'm a Yankee. Born and raised in Boston. I'm not fond of Rednecks either. I drive a Porsche and live in Germany.
I'm going back to Somalia and I'm going to work some aid projects and push for the establishment of a Somali government. Right now I've got 7 Somalis going with me plus two Germans and four Americans. Nothing's going to convince me not to go and suddenly take up some other cause so stop trying to convince me to "fix the American constitution." You can work that problem.
Now for Nightmare. You're fucking high. Too much Khat. I was with the QRF that night and I didn't see you there. We were the ones who got the Rangers out of there. We smoked the SNA and the Haber Gedir. Period end of story. I I have to admit I'm curious what your clan is? Dir? Haber Gedir? When I was in Mog I always received a warm welcome from the Abgal, Murosade and Hawadle and had a good friend who was Ugagin. Those clans remained fairly staunchly pro-American. So you are either an Al-Itihad sympathizer or and SNA sympathyzer. Same for Sam.
USC Mahdi friends where are you when I need you???????? |
| Sam | Unrecorded Date
Mac :
You drive a posh,,wow ! thanks for the news flash. But that dont impress me much..., aight.
I only empathise with the innocent victim,,, I could not care less for a warload.
Even though your plan seemed ambitious at first sight, your last comment clearly shows you are a prankster,
Why not try somaliland,, they seem to know what they want,,at least they have peace, if nothing else,
ideas are interlectual property, you should know that, |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Sam
No stealing lines from Shania Twaine songs. It's an old Porsche. But the point isn't that it's a Porsche, the point is that it's not the type of car a redneck would drive.
I am not a prankster. But I'll concede the last comment was a joke aimed at getting some response. Once in a while it's fun to get you guys stirred up. Like sitting around a fire with a bunch of Somalis and stating that the Ogaden rightfully belongs to Ethiopia. That always gets a response. Gotta have a little fun once in a while.
Why not Somaliland? They're doing OK. That's the whole point. Southern Somalia is a basket case and needs all the help it can get. Besides, I have friends there and that's the area I'm familiar with. I don't know anyone in Somaliland or Puntland. Benadir is where I feel comfortable. Maybe down around Merca or out to Afgooye, but not up north. Also, it's to hot up there.
Lastly, I'm serious here. I'm definately going back. Ambitious? Wihtout a doubt. Will the plan work? I don't know. But I don't see anyone else proposing a better alternative. |
| Sam | Unrecorded Date
If you think the south is a basket case, my question is this,,
Why would any investor throw his resources into a basket case ? |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad mac tribes always change sides
for your info. Don't get burned in the middle
somalis have been behaving the way they
do for generations. You must be somekind
of briandumb to think you know all there
is to know about us. And for the record
almost everybody in mog is itihad now
so watch out. Let me ask you these; why did
the americans steal the *(* Buur hakaba*)*?.
I was also told that you guys stole a lot
of sand to get the silicon out of it. Can you tell
us any of these allegations are true?. I know
you guys swallow {a camel and deny it}. Later
I pulled out. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Advemturer
Shifting clan alliances is not a peculiar Somali thing. It's commmon all over the place (even old Scotland where my ancestors are from). The theory of how and why is called Segmentary opposition. I'm fairly familiar with it. Anyway, my friends in Mog have not confirmed your assessment that Itihad is dominant in Hamer. Still, thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my ear to the ground.
The Americans did NOT - i say again NOT - steal any uranium out of Bur Hakaba. Nor did we steal the ever so valuable Somali sand. I think I've heard this story half dozen times now. Let me go over this one last time. President Bush sent American troops to Somalia because the International Media showed lots of pictures of starving Somali kids on TV. Now, if you live in America, you know what an impact the media can have on American decision making. I have heard that the SNA sold mining rights to the Libyans - this was strictly media reporting and I don't honestly know if it's true or not. I've also heard that other countries are fishing in Somali waters. Of course, the Italians have their hands in God knows what. I believe Somalia has oil but I know for a fact it has not yet been exploited by Americans or anyone else. But as for Americans stealing Somali resources believe me, you can put the "stealing our natural resources" theory to bed.
So adventurure, do you think my plan can work. Do you have any better ideas. Because the only way I'm not going back is if I'm dead. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Sam
Why invest in a basket case? Accept for a few people who think they can nevetheless make a buck out of it, no one's going to. You're absolutely right. So what we need in southern Somalia is some stability. An internationally recognized government. That will help lure back the investors. Education and infratructure are also keys. Here's where the Somali dispora can really be a help. You've got Somalis all over the world right now going to school, learning skills. They can really make a difference. But they're only going to go home if its reasonably safe. That's why it always goes back to establishing a government. |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad Mac.
Italians are thiefs. They steal while
you are looking at them. The only thing
they taught our country during the
colonial era is how to chew tobacco,
smoke cigars, hook women, whistle in
the movies when the lights go out. and
worst of all bribery. that is why they can't
have a functioning government in any ten years
because they steal from each other. thiefs are
thiefs. about your friends they lie to you. you know I don't know your understanding of itihad
but people are religious nowadays back home
and lost faith in the warlords because all
they do is steal and live on the blood money the
collect by force from the busseness community.
Becuase of that emerged islamic courts if you have
heard it or not. as for your plan it can work
as long as you are not onesided tribewise. these
habargidir are wiser. the are brokers, a go betweener among somali tribes. they speak the common accent and share both marital and culture
from some other darod subclans. and of caorse
they share a common father with abgaal,and tribes
of mogadishowers. May you could employ me in
your deal because I am one of the guys who
kicked you out and left as the other friend a boot
in your ass. I am just kidding but really I am
gidir, aidid's tribe. don't get sacry okey,
I am not gonna kill you or anything. It has been
a misunderstanding caused by clinton when he had
monica in mind. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Adventurer
That's a great quote on the Italians. I've added it to my quote book. You said the same clan as Aideed. Do you mean Jalaf, or simply Sa'ad or just Haber Gedir? Guess it doesn't matter much anyway, as I've kind of lost interest in clans accept as a passing hobby. You want to come? I'm not going for four more years (when my Army committment is up). I wish you had been one of the guys fighting us cause I really want one on the team. Will add to credibility if we have people representing all points of view. When you say Itihad to me that conjurs up notions of a political organization that is oriented east and is has irredentist orientations against Ethipia. I don't think that's healthy for Somalia. But I do support the notion of Sharia courts IF THE GENERAL POPULATION supports it. That's because Somalia desperately needs a legal system and Sharia has an acient - if somewhat byzantine - history. Still, I don't support some aspects of Sharia - like stoning adulteress woman. That's out of hand. I will be looking for help in a few years. If you live in Minnesota or Virginia you'll see me. If not stay on the net and you'll find me there. Inshallah this will come together. And I'm gonna need all the help I can get. |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad Mac.
Now you talking!. You met the wrong
somalis my friend. They shouldn't have taught
you this much you know. Anyway, I was not in Mog
when you guys failed in your ill fated operation.
It is all there in prints at yahoo.com when
you type 'somalia". You will get the whole
story in detail.
I am not coming back to somalia
for the time being. I will, eventually
god willing but for now, I want to finish
my studies and help my family back home.
I am not interested in ethiopia versus somali
politics. They are both african countries who
share more than a common border. And it would be
nice if THIRD PARTIES would butt out in that
region including the united states who is always
GENEROUS for the wrong cause and
an enemy to the wrong people. Muslims have
a lot of complaints aginst your country
but it does not want to listen since muslims
have no one voice that represent them. It
will come, and when it comes it is too late
for america to win back the hearts it caused
so much grievance. that is that.
about itihad. you are talking like one of
those educated christian missioneries
who learn about islam to spread christianity
in islamic countries. I know you are not. I am
just following the word"eastern" here because they
call muslims "easterners" and islam "eastern religion".
About stoning adultress or anything you
thought was unsuitable in islam is due
to your lack of knowledge about god's
just system and there is no point for
me to argue with you about that. If
you were a muslim, I would have, but now
I don't see the point without offending you
however, I agree with god's rulings even if I
don't agree with them. Allah is wise and
a better ruler who understands what befits
as punishment to an aggressor. He knows best.
How bad do you think it is for a married
person to go look for sex outside the vow?.
May be that is why the punishment is severe.
Immagine if a child results out of that and the
wife does not tell the husband?. He would have
to raise the kid without knowing that
the child is not his. Likewise the man. why does
he need to have sex with other women when
he has one who dedicated herself to him?.
I think women would agree with that one. Ask them.
Have you read the quran?. If yes
you would find it is not easy to punish a woman
adultress unless there are four witnesses. and it is always hard to come by four witnesses. and those witnesses have to be trustworthy. there is lot more than just punishing someone. The case has
to be proven beyond doubt and that is
four witnesses are required to convict the adultress or the adultrer. You can check that
for yourself. Nno giulty verdict unless proven so.
We will keep in touch in the forumss and be
friends. and when you ready hopefully
somalia will be back on its feet without
any influence from greedy western GOVS.
only individuals like you and well meaning
organizations will be allowed. |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad Mac.
feel free to ask your doubts about islam
or anything you are curious about. I will
take care of the brothers who show up
here and try to be wiseall brainiacs okey.
If I know I will answer, If I don't, I
go look for the answer for you deal?. Islam
is about question and answer and no one
is forced into any belief and so it is
written. Do I sound a priest or a saint?.
Anyway, your job in somalia was a duty you had
to fulfill as a soldier. My dad was a policeman
when the government worked and he loved his
job. I remember never missing a day even
if he was sick he wanted to go. I can't
blame you either for taking part in your duty
can I?. No of course not. So no regretts soldier
man. As a soldier you are given an order
and you have to undertake that order whether
you like it or not. You may have some regretts
later in your life but that is all it amounts
to, just regretts.
I getta go yanke soldier. If you are from
boston, you must be a racist I presume. A
somali taxi driver was killed by skinheads
after he drove them home. It was unfortunate
and I am just kidding so no hard feelings.
You wouldn't have liked somalis if you were
a neo nazi would you?. No. And I hope you
don't read anything else from my joke.
later I pulled out. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Adventurer
You kill me. I'm pretty sure I'm not racist. I have a fairly diverse group of friends (Black, white, Asians). When we get together we could hold a meeting of the United Nations. Where are you living now? |
| TROUBLEGIRL | Unrecorded Date
MADMAC.....MILLITARY BOY....
U make me laugh......U wanna go back to SOMALIA.. what makes U think that we ready to TAKE U back in our HOLY COUNTRY.....U not INVITED BRO... SO ka caga-cagee meeshaa..even though U R CARDIIF-CADE..I feel like cussing you in Afkeyga
PEACE
TROUBLE<I hate U so much right now....aaaaaa> |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Trouble
Well, some have invited me back and some have not. But you know, that's the beautiful thing about anarchy, if you can do it, you can do it. Anyway, I'm going back. And NOBODY is going to convince me otherwise. So abai, just accept it - or not I don't care. Oh yeah, if you want to curse me out I recommend you do it in English, because my Somali is VERY limited. Let's play a game - tell me your fathers full name and where he's from (town and region) and I'll try and guess your clan. It's one of my favorite Somali games. |
| TROUBLEGIRL | Unrecorded Date
MadMac-----Millitary Boy
Yeah yeah kiss my big Somalian Behind...... U trying to tell me U not a SOMALIAN......LOL....There U go U made me laugh AGAIN.
And as far as asking about my CLAN.....I am from one of the most prestigious clans in SOMALIA..But can I tell U something?...what the heck..I'll tell U anyway. Tribism is one of the things we are not gonna use in SOMALIA in the future. OK and whoever taught you that game....was an IDIOT coz that is one game the SOMALIANS shouldn't PLAY.
I'll tell you what...U give me your address/and phone number in SOMALIA.....and wait for a month...I'll make sure you get DEPORTED--- by FOOT. I hope those boots can do a couple hundred miles to KENYA. Capishe....Coz if I speak for my self.....WE DON'T WANT U IN OUR COUNTRY....So Asta la Vista Millitary DUDE....
PEACE
TROUBLE<I honestly can't stand Naageeska..U feel me SOMALIANS> |
| Cilaamato | Unrecorded Date
Hey Mad Dog oooops I meant Mad Mac... 2 things dont go together man... Going back to somalia and using for the contagious disease called tribalism ..Man, that really makes me sick! I mean that's what distroyed our country ... By the way, if you aint somali what the heck are you going to do in somalia.... stop flipping man.. I mean if you wanna flip go and flip under your bed....
P.S what ever happens man...count me out ...cuz I'm better off at where I'm now.... Soon I'm gona produce babies and start planning to invest my funeral money...and my babies.. hell, they are going to be raised in this country(where I'm residing at...)
Bye |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Whoa little sisters, chill. Just a game. I gave up the tribal thing a long time ago. My friends cross all clan lines. Hell, I even have some friends who are Jalaf (Sa'ad) - old enemies you know.
Anyway, what harm does it do to go back, do some civil work projects, help with a little dialogue. Ya know what I'm sayin'? I meannnn, I meannnnnn, I'm sittin' here on the bench. I'm sittin' here on the group W bench..........sorry, I got off track. Anyway, let me put this in simple terms. "MAC Friend. Moryan enemy." All white people are not your enemy. Nor are all infidels - of which I most assuredly qualify. So fear not, for MAC is with you.
Also, Trouble, the way you talk you have to be good looking so I'm sure your butt isn't that big. And I am not a Somalian. I'm an American soldier who spent a year in Somalia trying to avoid being killed by SNA militia and sympathizers. Nevertheless, if I didn't have a girlfiend - yes believe it or not some sweet woman took pity on me - then I would love to kiss you butt. Of course, that's probably Haram, but since I'm an infidel........... |
| Muriidi | Unrecorded Date
MadMac,
Every time the noose tightens around your neck you manage to wiggle out, I already told you, you are one hell of an slippery character, maybe they taught you that in the military school for survival.
Every issue that you raise, they will bombard you (the Somalis), so don't try to lure them into any of your sick games. And the going back to Somalia thing, if I were you I wouldn't even dream about it, it's gonna be your worst nightmare until you cry....OOOw Mama, why did you give me birth???!!!
Ciao 4 now |
| adventurer. | Unrecorded Date
Mad Mac.
You need to be deciplined for logging
on the net while you are drunk. Also,
trouble girl might be UNDERAGE so watch your
uncontrolled mouth. |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Adventurer
Abowe, I got to tell you I find it hard to believe that Trouble is underage. It's possible, but her intellect appears to be too developed for that.
Muriidi
I'll admit I like to play with you guys once and a while on the net. You are Sooooo predictable. Nevertheless, about Somalia and my plans to return on that I'm serious as a heart attack. The only way I won't go back is if I'm dead. |
| muna | Unrecorded Date
to Mad mac
can you tell me why r u so desprate to go back to somalia ....while all of us I mean all of us don,t want you to go back? you seem to me a pretty good fella who want help but i am not too sure any more cuz some how you r so determent.........it seems kind of scary what u up to....so please can you explain yor reason onice more to me .....and 1 more time since you use Islamic words few times does that mean you have an intrest learing about Islam ? if the answer is yes then let me know i may help you. bye 4 now |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Muna
As a matter of fact I have three folks who are helping me to learn more about Islam and I got a new translation of the Qur'an and am reading diligently. But that doesn't mean I am going to beconme a Moslem. Depends on what I think and feel about it when I'm done.
Why go back. I've answered this a thousand times, but I'll answer it another thousand I suppose. Let's see, I saw a lot of tragic things while I was in Somalia I will never forget, My wife left me because of Somalia, three of my friends were killed there, and my country quit on me and we gave up before we finished the job. Somehow that just didn't sit well with me. So there you have it. I'm not happy with the way the scenrio turned out. All that sacrifice and for what? Not an hour goes by that I don't think about Somalia. Obssesive - you bet. And I had better be if I'm going to do what I intend to do. There's more to this but this ought to cover it. |
| T-girl | Unrecorded Date
Adventurer
MOI.....UNDERAGE?.....U killing me man. There U go AGAIN, complimenting me on a yet another rampage of my beautiful caramel..NON AGEING skin.....LOL
Whatever bro.....AGE is where your state of mind is....CAPISHE....."Mr Mightier than Thou"
Mad"Millitary"BOY....
So now U know my age tooo?..LOL.....
PEACE
Major-Trouble |
| MAD MAC | Unrecorded Date
Trouble
So when exactly do I get to kiss you big Somalian behind? I you sure that's not xaram? I mean I don't know me being gaal and everything, but I suspect that kissing your behind is xaram unless we where married. So I'm not sure why you made such an offer.
Also, if I were to guess your age, based on your input here, which was limited, I would guess you are between 23-29 years old. But like I said you didn't give me much to work with. Since you are not married it could be younger, but I know a lot of Somali woman in that age group who are having a hard time finding a man who is Moslem who will treat them as true equals and who also have a decent job, etc. So I'll stick with my estimate. |
