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SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive (Feb. 2000 - May 2000): Q FOR MAD MAC
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confused

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Just curious, are u suffering from an identity crisis??cause i tell ya, u have me confused..one minute you're swearing up and down that you're not somali, and the next minute you're telling "habargidr jokes" and wanting to build somalia a goverment!!

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MAD MAC

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Abowe
Call me the white Soomal. I am not Somali but I identify strongly with the Somalis. But I am American I can assure you. At least I carry an American passport. I tend to think of myself more as a citizen of the world. What so few people on this net want to accept is that I am a friend of the Somali people, not an enemy. I don't know why everyone here on the net is so paranoid. In real life I've never encountered this much hostility - except in Wardiglei of course. Nabad Gelyo Abowe.

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confusedd

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lol..u just left me more confused then ever, but that's cool.
by the way it's "abaayo' for u

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confused-hebel

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who is who from where and by whom?

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analyzer

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mad mac
hostility from wardhigley...huh?....haa,,,haa,,you don't favor them huh? haa.... i don't beleive they just pissed you off by no apparent reason...is it because the UN or/and the US military misbehaved by assuming everyone there is a looter...or did u hit on one of their girls? that is known to peel their skin off too...come on tell the truth... i am still speculating.... make sure u compliment on wardhiigleey this time on ur response...peace...or else? i will have to call you back like that little dog for the taco bell commercials....

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MAD MAC

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Analyzer
Sorry, I missed the TACO commercials. Been in Europe for the last four years. But, if you want to have a discussion about how things devolved between the Americans and the SNA I'll be happy to engage you. It's one of my favorites. And no, I was married then and didn't hit on anyone - stupid though that was since my now ex-wife was sleeping with half of Ft Drum.
Confusedd
It's not all that confusing really. I mean, I spent a year in Somalia and grew very attached to the place and the people. And my heart bleeds for the poor Somalis who are caught in the civil strife there. I guess that's what it comes down to. Oh sorry about the Abowe thing. Was a false assumption.
Lastly Confused Hebel
I am MAD MAC. US Army. Served in Somalia (and a bunch of other places). Currently in Bosnia. Hope that helps clarify at least who this player is.
Ciao

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Zodiac_2

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Mac

You ain't sh*t, but Ghetto punk,

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Ma Dawg

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Mad Mac

Go ahead give us your version of the relashionship between SNA and usa.

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MAD MAC

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Ma Dawg
This ought to get some arguments going. I have a friend named Yassin Ali who worked for the SNA at that time and he was shot by my unit. You should see the arguments we have. OK here goes.
You'll remember that when the US first started indicating that we might send troops to Somalia the USC-Aideed faction (pre-cursor to the SNA) stated it's diapproval. Because of immense media pressure in the states to do something, Aideed was told that we were coming. He could either agree or not. Of course within Mog Ali Mahdi had been lobbying for UN intervention all along since the Abgal were struggling in their war with the Haber Gedir. In my opinion, Aideed recognized he couldn't square off against the kind of combat power the US was brining (almost 30,000 troops, aircraft carrier, the works) so he decided that he would by for time. Let the Americans come, cooperate as little as possible without losing any combat power and not agree to anything he couldn't live with down the road. Now I'm convinced that Aideed believed that he and the Haber Gedir were the principal agents responsible for the removal of Siad Barre and that he should be the rightful successor to Siad Barre. Any compromise that didn't lead to that end state was not going to be acceptable to him. Now initially we (the US) catered to Aideed. This was a mistake. We should have treated Aideed as we did all the other warlords. When the US turned responsibility of the mission over to the UN there was a break with this policy. The UN backed away from Aideed. At this same time the combat power in Somalia was significantly reduced. The only US combat unit left was the QRF (my unit) with one Infantry Battalion (About 550 soldiers), one Aviation Task Force with onecompany of Cobras and one company of Blackhawks and a Field Support Battalion. Less than 1,200 soldiers all together. All during these four months Aideed had been under considerable pressure from the US and UN to work with the other antagonists in Somalia (Ali Mahdi, Morgan, Abdullahi Yusef, Mohamed Abshir, Gabiyow, etc.). You'll remember in January when the SNA tried to use some of its heavy weapons against USC-Mahdi we attacked and destroyed some heavy weapons out of AWSS #3. This was pretty much a warning shot to remind Aideed to play by the rules. For the next four plus months he did. But politically he remained an obstructionist. Esspecially after the agreement was signed in Addis declaring a cease fire in place hours after Morgan took Kismayu from Jess. Already a suspicious dude, Aideed became even more suspicious of the US and the UN. When the bulk of the US forces left, leaving only the QRF, Aideed and the SNA struck. I'm convinced that Aideed looked at the UN history and thought he could cow the UN. So on 5 June he used an inspection of the Authorized Weapons Storage Sites as an excuse to attack UN forces, presuming that once the UN was hurt it would back off and give him a free hand. So he attacked the Pakistanis and killed 25 (so much for Muslim brotherhood) of them. But instead of backing down the UN counterattacked. They destroyed all of the heavy weapons in the storage sites controlled by Aideed. Then they conducted a cordon and search against wwhat we called the SNA enclave (the neighborhood Somalis call Lambr Afr). This was on 17 June. UN casualties were higher than anticipated and about 200 Somalis were reportedly KIA as well. At this point the war was on between the UN / US and the SNA. UN operations to maintain the initiative culminated with the raid on Abdi Hassan Awale's house (the guys got more lives than a cat). We call it the Abdi house raid. The international reaction to that raid pretty much handcuffed the US forces after that. There was major concern about collateral damage. The Abdi house was a turning point because the SNA seized the military initiative from this point on and the UN became strictly reactive. The number of mortar and RPG attacks against the UN increased and the number of casualties increased as well. The QRF was maintaining an Air Cap over Mogadischu and would become engaged somtimes but the SNA maintained the initiative until the arrival of Task Force Ranger. This was probably triggered (although I wasn't in the decision making process so I don't really know) by a command detonated mine that killed four US soldiers on Jalle Siad Street on 8 August. Whatever the reason, when TF Ranger showed up the US regained the initiative. Aideed and the SNA were on the run. This culminated with the Battle of 3/4 October which was a blood bath. After that fight the US quite. The American public had not been prepared for a serious fight, was basically clueless as to what was going on (they still are) and so they were shocked when things went south. After that Aideed declared a unilateral cease fire. Now he didn't do this because he was a man of peace - he did it because he had to. The SNA had expended far too many resources (both material and human) to continue to fight the Americans, esspecially when the tanks, APCs and artillery started rolling in. So he bid his time and waited for us to leave in March, like we had announced.

So the long and the short of it was that Aideed wanted to be dictator of Somali. We were in the way so he attacked us. Problem was, after he attacked us he found out he had a tiger by the tail. This make sense Abowe?

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Alela

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MAD MAC
I think that is true what U just explain
but the problem is that Some Somalis
don't want to see that all the warlords
are the same as Siyad barre and all
they care is their own interest(Power)
rather than what good for the people?
so as long as we (Somalis) face the heat and
do something about it , there would be no
peace for Somalia? we have to forget
about the war, Tripes, and hate inorder to
get back our Dignaty and our love for our Country.

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MAD MAC

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Alela
Abai you are absolutely correct. I know it's not easy. I hated the Haber Gedir for a long time after I left Somalia. I originally intended to go back and work with some of my Abgal friends and get a little revenge. But I came to realise that that is a waste. That I have to direct my energy in as positive way. That there are lots of Haber Gedir who are good people. So I started looking at ways in which we can help the people. If you look at the general section here look under the header Who Wants to Go Back To Somalia. There I kind of laid out what I want to do. Somalia could be a great place to live and raise a family but no decent person is going to bring his family there until it's safe. I have some projects in mind and I have some bigger plans in mind. But I'm not foolish. I know I can not succeed without a lot of help from the Somali people. Esspecially the diaspora - those who have left. I need some of those people to come back with me. People with good ideas and energy who are not committed to anything else. That's my principal objective here on the net.

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Somali

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We have NO hope in hell now do we? When EVEN the white men like mad mac are talking about haber Gedir this and Abgal that!
People plz leave the idle CLAN talk for the uneducated few......peace

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confused

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mad mac,
i'm glad to see my simple question started such a heated debate.....you're a very intersting character, you're attached to somalia huh?..that can mean many things..it can mean i would love to spend more time with them and learn to appreciate their culture more, maybe even marry a somali...but it can also mean :poor somalis, third world country, one of the poorest in the world, still ignorant enough to fight tribal wars, but who can blame them, being african and all...
so tell me mad mac by "very attached " what do u mean???.....i'm honestly not trying to attack u , or be hostile...i just want to understand, i'm not being prejudice (i'm not saying i'm not saying i don't have a little racism in me...me and my friends are always talking about this or that "white boy" or white girl"), that doesn't mean i won't give ppl a chance just because of their skin color,,,i do have some good white friends, even though most of the time we have a hard time understanding each other.
anyway pls answer my q.

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Alela

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Guys come on lets face it but not ignore it.
we all now what is the satuation in Somalia.

I think people should stop blaming each other
and should talk and listen to each other so we can do something about the reality which is helping Somalia in anyway U can
rathar than asking the wrong questions, so if U
care about somalia then do something to help
if not then don't say a word cause we all in here
want to do what we can to help Somalia

U know the worst people are those whom when they are the poorest and still stand infront of those who want to help so people open your eyes
this is Millenium and we still have our kids starfing to Death!!!!!and we are still kiling each other for no cause at all!! so if we keep baleming each other.
we will never pass this problem!!!

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Alela

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I forgot to let U guys know that I am A guy(Male)
so for Mad Mac I am Aboowe not abai

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MAD MAC

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Confused
Valid question. No I do not believe that I am condescending nor do I believe that Somalis are just a bunch of stupid Africans. Actually, to be honest I don't think of Somalis as Africans. Not that I have anything against Africans but certainly Somalis are different culturally from the Bantu and other sub-saharan Africa groups.
I enjoy Somali culture, food, fersocious style of debate, etc. And of course I feel bad for the people there that I know are suffering. And there's a lot of them. In a world that has more than enough to go around there's no reason why Somalia has to be left behind.
Now Alela
Sorry about the Abai thing. For some reason that Handle sounded feminine to my western ears. Sorry dude.

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Alela

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no problem dude

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XAMARAAWI

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MAD MAC,
Daba MIINSHAAR ayaan xambaar sanahay intaad doonto ayuu ku duleeli karaa, so guur ma gashaa adiga?

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MAD MAC

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Xamaraawi
Soory Sahib, I don't speak Somali. Say again all after MAD MAC...

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MAD MAC

Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 12:22 am
I never did find out what this guy asked. Can someone please translate.

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laascaanoodi

Friday, August 25, 2000 - 04:32 am
mad mac
he/she said that you suck and you are a sick bastard from another planet.

and you like to take it upthe ass

or some thing like that ** close to it**

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MAD MAC

Monday, August 28, 2000 - 12:50 am
Laascaanoodi
Mahadsannid for the translation.

Xamaraawi
Yo goof. I might be a sick bastard but I resent the homosexual implications. I have had plenty of woman and no men!!! I've even had some Somali woman, that ought to piss you off.

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sista

Thursday, August 31, 2000 - 02:21 pm
cause we're too good 4 U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

luv
sista

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hani

Thursday, August 31, 2000 - 02:39 pm
only in ur dreams Mad Mac cause im sure u were only hallusinating

sista were u high when u posted tha message?????
a true somali lady wouldnt f**K u, and if it was true it must have been a dhillo ( slut)

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MAD MAC

Monday, September 04, 2000 - 11:01 pm
Hani
Ahhh I see. So if a Somali woman makes it with a Somali man then that's OK, but if she makes it with an American she's a slut. Can you please cite for me the Qur'anic verse that specifies that?

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hani

Tuesday, September 05, 2000 - 09:04 am
if she isn't she isnt married then that makes her a slut weather it be wit a white man/ muslim or somali......in islam it is haraam to have sex outside marriage, a woman must be a virgin on her wedding nite unless she was married b4

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She

Tuesday, September 05, 2000 - 07:50 pm
ha! haa! haaaa! MadDude ya crack me up
Big fat hug from Canadaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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MAD MAC

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 03:26 am
Hani
A little harsh aren't we? Does the Qur'an use the word slut? Actually the whole thing is a little confusing. At first it appears to require 4 witnesses to confirm the act (sex outside marriage). Only porn stars have sex in front of four or more witnesses. Secondly it then proscribes one punishment for woman and then subsequently none for me. Please feel to cite a passage if there is one that specifies the same punishments for men and women for the same offense. The woman I was with was hardly a slut, not in the English definition of that term. She didn't actually have sexual intercourse with me and she had only slept with her husband previously.

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Yasine

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 04:36 am
Mad Mac, Quit while you can. This is a pointless conversation . More interesting was your version of the events leading to the UN attack on Aideed. That was quite interesting.

Is it true that Aideeds son has accepted the newly elected Somali government in return for being elected Foreign Minister.

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hani

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 06:16 am
but was she married to u? if not then wat she did was.....HARAAM....wat do u mean u had some somali women if u didnt have sex wit her????

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Yasine

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 01:57 pm
hani, are you obsessed with sex or something?
Who cares what he did.

Try and talk about something sensible.

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hani

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 10:32 pm
no im not obsessed about sex....stating a point
If u dont care wat he did or does then y r u commenting about him too, sis practise wat u preach aight????

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jalaf.

Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 10:53 pm
yasine.

In no way, people will accept ina eidid
for anything. The guy is a loser in a fine
print. If people don't like someone personally
, They aught to look for another merit. By the way
how come you ask mad about somali affairs?.
I didn't know some somalis were this naive.
Mad's lies did magic work on your tiny
brain.

MAD COW.

What is the point of talking about
the children you mollested.?

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