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     | Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 10:48 am First of all..i'm not going to try to sugar coat what i'm about to say..by the time i'm done saying what i'm about to say, it'll be as clear as water for you all. O.k...so tell me guys why the hell do you guys all go crazy when a somali sis dates a guy from another race??..why can't you be civil towards her??..I just finished reading "BIG PROBLEM", written by a somali sis dating a MUSLIM black brother, she kindly asked why the somali guys thought she was dissing them just because she was dating a black guy..and you know what you boys did???..you all started cussing her out, calling her sell out, even said that you all didn't want her, and called her insecure..well here is a news flash for you ppl..IT AIN'T THE SOMALI SISTERS THAT ARE FILLING OUT THE JAIL CELLS FOR SUPPOSEDLY "RAPING' WHITE GIRLS..bet these white girls weren't even raped, you though you had it down pat huh??..you thought you were all modern and •••• huh??..now that you got yourself a WHITE girlfriend huh??..lol...but then this white girl smacked your black asses in to reality huh..when you thought you could drop her like a bad habit??..landed your black asses in jail. So tell me who is the sell out??..who though they knew it all???..who is as you all put it to the somali sis i mentioned above "f-----g , and getting a blow job from someone that doesn't even know their culture or where they came from??"..you thought that WHITE people know where they came from??..hell they are all descendants of theives and murderes who EUROPE kicked out. o.k lets' put it another way , white ppl won't even let you have good looking white chicks , you all get the fat, bloated, ones..that a normal white man with pride wouldn't even walk down the street with...the leftovers. As they say when you're hungry and you can't get a real meal (lol..somali sisters)even leftovers taste good. At least when we date black bros..they ain't left overs..they r mostly the hottest of the bunch, the ones white girls are dying to get their hands on!! i think i'll leave it there, if you ppl wanna cuss me out, and say that i probably have a black boyfriend, believe me a black boyfriend is a hell of a lot better than you insecure, skinny niggers. And to those somali brothers that aren't racist, pls disregard anything that i said above, it would be wrong of me to generalize all somali brothers....i know there are good brothers out there, and i really appreciate you, as do all the somali sisters angrysister
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| | Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 01:17 pm The message posted above is "EXACTLY" why I didn't date Somali girls. Throughout my life in North America (wherever I go), I come across the same thing. Angry somali girls who hated us. Now, I am 25 and happily married to beautiful muslim girl of Syrian background. She loves me regardless of my race or nationality and vice versa. We share the same belief and are true to each other, and that is all that counts in my heart. Happily in love.
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| | Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 04:03 pm mohomed...i'm happy for you that you married someone you love........but you didn't date somali girl cause they hate you as a somali bro>>???........i'm sorry but of all theweird things guys said about interracial dating, yours is the biggest bullshit i have heard so far. I am the angry girl that wrote the above passage, and if i came off as hating somali bros i'm sorry, my intention was just to bring to your attention how insensitive somali bros could be about interracial dating for girls (you bros have a different rules for yourself when it comes to interracial dating).MOHOMED..I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ME..i know i was very clear about my message mohomed, so i think you deliberately chose to misunderstand me. PLS STOP TWISTING MY WORDS. ANGRY-SISTER
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| | Saturday, June 17, 2000 - 06:34 pm I understand you sis .. but you dont have to be angry about it . It is simply like that .. when a somali guy marries a girl from another culture ...it is damn okay ..but when it comes to a somaligirl marrying a guy from another background (didnt say non- muslim) ,..everything is wrong with it .. why is that ? Thats all my sis here is saying. thanx..
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 09:44 am The importance... is getting married to a muslim woman or a man regardless of his or her race.. The preservation of our islamic belief is more important than anything else... If a somali girl chooes as a mate(not dating but for marriage) a black or brown man.. or white..It is necessary that he practices islam...Unless otherwise she doesn't care.. the teachings of islam.. and wants to do whatever she desires... In our city many somali girls are married to muslim blacks.. white muslims..arabs.. all kinds of people.. We should have no proplem with that..as long as our sisters are sharing a life with islamic men...If someone can cross the racial bounderies with good intention.. I think we ought to support them instead of harrassing them.. However.. I despise somali women.. who go out with blacks and whites who are not muslims... The only reason I see them doing that.. is that those guys.. won't talk after sex...so that the somali community at large..and her immidiate relatives.. won't know what she is doing... It is more of a sexual need I guess than anything else...I don't think a sincere somali girl hates her kind for any reason..
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 10:27 am Hmmmm. I think I have to agree with Mo on this one. I think I know where he's coming from. A lot of or sisters don't even give us a chance. I consider me to be a nice person, but every time I approach a Somali girl and try and converse (like how are you? What's your name etc...). I get nothing but attitude. This is not just one somali girl but I would say like 90% of them. I know its not me because after a while I gave up trying with girls from my country and now I do the same stuff to other girls (non-somali) and they actually give me a chance. Not treating my like some scrub. Its sad because now every time I see a pretty somali girl I don't even bother to ask anymore. I guess I've been stung too many times. For me, I would prefer to be with Somalis but rejection from my women of my own culture hurt me the most. Atleast when other women says no, it doesn't bug me as much. But you would think us being so far from home that people from your own country would be willing to talk to you. Now what really piss me off is when I start walking down the street with a white girl, I get all the dirty looks from these somali girls. Well, damn I get attitude if I try with yous and I get attitude if I go somewhere else because none of yous want to be with me. It's totally messed man. What's a dude supposed to do, be alone for the rest of his life. My advice to ladies: Next time a Somali bro approach you and say "You want to go for coffee or just want to talk to u". Be more friendly, he could be a good guy.
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 11:02 am dear anonymous: i feel for you, i've heard foreign guys complain about how somali girlz have attitudes (a friend of mine once said:somali girlz are fiiiiiiiineeeee but they have attitudes), i thought the attitude was only towards the foreigners, but now i see it's to all men...so anonymous it's not that we don't like somali bros, it's just that we have been raised to not act "cheap"..not throw ourselves at a guy, guys are conspirators..and all that stuff. ..at this point i don't know what to say..i can't deny that we as somali girlz have attitudes, becuase i know we do..at this point i guess i'm tongue-tied. When the other brother said we hate him just because he is a somali brother, i thought "bull ••••"..but now that anonymous has put it this way, i think i can understand where you brothers are coming from. .....maybe we as girlz need to rethink about this...i don't know.... angrysister ..i'll come back when things clear up in my head
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 01:26 pm I hate to read such topics written and edited by extremlly unreasonable girls like "angrygirl". we somalis have paid big a price to move girls from jungle to extremlly developed nations like the US. her way of judgement clearly suggests how far she can logicaly reason and look problems from abroad prospectives. "angrygirl", we really dont care whether u date black or not. but, jirkaada anaga kuluma lehin laakin afkaada naga gaabso, and dont even consider as humans that exist. i am sure no somaliman will ever associate girls like you. believe me....... i am sure the highly intelegent somali girls are around but u....
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 02:11 pm mohomed ibrahim.....i don't recall any man moving me from a jungle to a modern nation..and even if a man did, it was so i can sit at home taking welfare, and saying that i was a "single mother"..(because men like mohomed ibrahim, are too lazy to take responsibility)..and yet manage to have a baby every year....thus earning me the name "the somali holy whores". No somali man intersted in me??..that's a laugh..see mohomed ..you R the ignorant, insecure men that i was talking about in my early article...you are probaly the ones walking around thinking that they are modern and •••• just because they managed to make it to a refugee camp..and then claiming that YOU brought ME from a JUNGLE???...pls .return me then..i rather liked conversating with jungle beasts than "modern wannabes" angry-sister
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 05:30 pm To: Angrysister Qof walba iyo qumanihiisa...Gasacaagana adaa iska leh....Cadaan iska dhaafee eey sidii balaq camal ugu tuur...Cali Uraaye xitaa ha ku feytaamo..Howl ii taal ma ahan.... Keep your legs open until you find Mr.non-somali.. Good luck on your mission..... Dhalfo....
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 06:27 pm angrygirl................LOL>>>>>>>>>> you go girl.
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 07:22 pm Coolman; <The only reason I see them doing that.. is that those guys.. won't talk after sex...so that the somali> yada yada blah! Even if the Soomaali brother talks after sex, I believe he is not the only one who did the nasty! U know what I mean they did it together....lets face it we are not in the Jungle here...... I mean what the hell is he going to say I did the nasty thing with her......Well hey she did it with him too...I am sure they both get pleasure out of it........Other wise they would not engage such act.....DING-DONG only U;;;;;;;;;....Don't U think they are committing same crime here by f***** each other or hers is worst than him huuh? Hahahahha! U are loose me brotha go and get tune up.......:) peace all
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 08:13 pm Angrysister.... It's all plain and simple in my point of view.... it's your bussiness who you spread your leggs for whether they're green,yellow Dhagax,qoryo..you name it..no body gives a freaking shi*t about it. the way i see it, it's more of a sexual need than marriage or anything else...So stop encouraging innocent girls to follow your di*ck-addicted mentallity.......I'm saying this cause i hate to see our sistas being cheap and easy for some freak who only wants to enjoy their bodies..... Clevelander...<
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| | Sunday, June 18, 2000 - 08:55 pm "When the negro slave is sated he fornicates, when he is hungry he steals." Al-Abhishi, Egyptian writer. I always used to think such generalizations were, quite apart from being hurtful, inaccurate and without foundation. Let me tell you my years in North America have disabused me of those notions. Black American are still nursing the psychological wounds of their enslavement which has produced in the words of Cornel West(smart nigger, one of the few) people who are consumed with "self-contempt, self-hatred, self-affliction and self-flagellation". Whether it is a legacy of slavery or not it is not hard to see the pathological state of Black American culture which has broken down beyond repair. Criminality, family breakdown(illegitimate children and all the rest), consumerism at the expense of thrift, gang violence and inner city hopelessness, hatred of education and intellectual achievement(indeed it would be a miracle to see black man capable of speaking his own native language with a modicum of facility to say nothing of writing it fluently). Dr. West eloquently describes black nihilism, spiritual despair, and self-destructive wantonness as "the eclipse of hope, the unprecedented, collapse of meaning, the incredible disregard for human life and property and empty quest for pleasure, property and power." Dr West's book "Race Matters" is an ideal read for anyone wanting to delve into the problems of black America which he has managed to diagnosed with masterful precision and acuteness. His prescriptions however left me cold to the extent that they consist of some unholy quasi-Bolshevik(Oh how I hate Marxists) mishmash blended with that awful radical femi-nazism and here is the shocker, homosexual rights advocacy! To my dear ANGRYSISTER: When next you go on one of your whoring expeditions to the niggerman hiphop clubs and pick yourself a specimen of negro who is, in all likelihood, a brain-dead, ebonic-speaking, malignant, animalistic, foul, baneful and atricious beast, and he brings you back to his pad, and he throws you on the bed and tears your clothes off while you willingly spread your legs, revealing your sulphurous womanhood, and he is poised over you with coital intent in all his beastly simian glory, at that moment, that very moment, you should hope one of their execrable rap songs does not come over the stereo... the one that goes like this: I will break you down and dicck you long So we try real hard to break down the walls I will bust your pusssy, then break your backbone Suck my dicck bittch and make it puke Lick my asss up and down Lick it till your tongue turn doo-doo brown What gentle men and gentlemen they are these wreched negroes.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 01:26 am Guys let's not exaggerate issues here and let's not personalize things, please! Each one of us is entitled to opinion. Yes, we should criticize one another's opinion but in the framework of a valid argument and we should all substructure our judgment using simple common sense, we shouldn't be insulting each other. However, its clear that miss "angry-girl" "iney hinaastey" that no Somali-man either bad or good will ever go for her. I'm not against Somali-girls to date either black, white, red, brown or yellow that is there personal choice and I have no right to intervene but absolutely should a Somali-girl come out like "angry-girl" and criticizes us in a such libidinous manner and vice versa for men. Of course, the number of Somali-girls dating foreigners are increasing as each day passes. This rapid increase might be caused by varies reasons, which of course I cannot quote them here since every single girl has a reason to justify herself. But the two main causes are "MONEY" and "FASHION" in lagu faano. And this is traced back to lack of traditional, religion and cultural education.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 07:37 am SHE, you can be excused..the answer was aimed at..angry sister..you can't understand...and you wouldn't bother reading..
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 07:51 am angrysister dhilo ayaa tahay oo adoon waseen kana dharkeen nin somali ah kuma rabo ee wiilasha walalaheen faraha nooga qaat naag adoon u dhigato nin somali danbe waa ka xaaran, saas ula soco.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 08:06 am Muna.....Afkaaga Malab lagu qabay...
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 09:11 am O.K........here we go again.. mohomed ibrahim:this is the last time i'll bother noticing you (so enjoy the attention while it lasts), i don't think you read my whole passage mohomed..if you would kindly scroll back up to my initial passage, you will see near the end that i DID NOT generalize about the somali brothers. If after reading my passage thoroughly you still stick to your argument of me hating somali bros..then i am sorry for you..you either have a hard time reading the english language or you have a hard time with your comprehension skills. XOOGSADE:..i'm having a hard time trying to figure you out..looking at the bottom of your passage i might think that you are in to EROTIC stories, and are looking into maybe writing some??..but then looking at the first couple of paragraphs of your argument i would think that you suffer from "ego-maniac,inferiority complex"..in other words you choose to insult other ppl in order to make yourself feel good. Anyway whatever the case..you're not my problem..so i have just bought you a one way first class ticket to my ignore list..ENJOY. MUNA---dear..i'm sort of suspicious that your a man and not a girl..but since you choose for us to beleive you are a girl..then ..macaanto you are an example of the pure definition of "NAAGEEYN"..and since you want to beleive that no somali man.would ever want me...that's no loss on my part..just when i come down the block, hold on to your man cause baby it's true when they say "don't hate me because i'm beautiful..hate me cause your boyfriend thinks so" that'll be all for the day folks..ENJOY!!
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 09:48 am you go girl that is all I have to say
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 11:46 am ala yaa muna oo kale nooga dhiga hablaheena. angrygirl, waa ugu walee adiga iyo qurux kala dheer marba hadaad adoon isa soo aragteen!! aleele abwaankii cali dhuux ayaa hore u yiri "dhila hadba dhankii loo rogo dhana diideyn"
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 11:48 am ooooops....... P.S. maxaa u tiri muna waa nin, ma waxaa moodey in gabadh walba oo somaliyeed ay ogashay in adigoo kale uu adoon waso naa afkaaga quran kala tag meesha
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 03:49 pm GangreneSister I wrote the erotic shitt just for you so you could get off on it. I figured to give the sister some cyber-relief 'cause bein' a dirty hoor you could not wait until the weekend to cavort with the slave monkey boys. Sis you are the self-hating bitch who runs away from her kind to the foreigners. As for me I thank the good lord every waking moment for making me Somali. Not an inbred Arab, not the 99% homosexual deviant white devils, not the brain-dead monkey boys, none of these but an honest-to-goodness 100% full-blooded, proud, tall and erect Somali man. Thank you allaaah, thank you and thank you again and again..... Soomaali baan ahay Sanku-neefle ma oggoli inuu iga sarayn karo
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 04:10 pm GangreneSister I purposely did not mention the drug problem destroying the niggers in my first posting in which I discussed the wide-ranging pathologies afflicting the nigger community cause I figured that was a whole topic on its own and I jotted down some of my thoughts but I decided against posting it. What is the use 'cause the way I figure it, you are well on your way to becoming an exemplary crack whore. So enjoy the glass dick(hard pipe) when your monkey boys give it to you cause it will make it easier to identify you as the filthy bedraggled hoor you are and with the mark of the beast on your head years down the road some religious brother will not be deceived into marrying you when the monkey boys are finished with you and you are feeling the pangs of loneliness, guilt, shame. Your beauty and youth, such as they are, a distant memory and your only shelter being the Somalis that you rejected. I doubt we will be feeling very charitable to a crack hoor so we are gonna kick you down into your gutter from whence you emerged. So go ahead GangreneSister and let your monkey boys fuckk you to kingdom come and see if if we give a flying fuckk. Just don't come back and spread all the diseases they give you into the community.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 04:21 pm XOOGSADE=Ignorant...hitler in the making.."superior race"...lol..xugsade you ain't the first and you certainly ain't gonna be the last...so i leave you to dwell in your state of ignorance.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 06:20 pm Xoogsade is right !!! angrysister is already HIV+ . plzzzz stay away from our own somali men.
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| | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 07:31 pm angrysister. You can do whatever you want. Stay away from us.
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 04:40 am lol....ppl...if that is what you choose to believe then that's fine with me!!..but i can't gurantee that i'll stay away from somali guys..hell i supposedly "hate " them so much, that i'll be glad to share the HIV virus with them suleikha..and then when i give it to him suleikha he'll come and give it to you...so enjoy!!!lol....most ridiculous group of ppl i have seen in a long time!!1..they say ignorance makes ppl scared..i guess that's true. angrysister
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 05:00 am angrygirl inaad dhilo HIv adoon ka soo qaadey waa lagu gartey nagala bax, sidee suleeqo waxaas ugu tiraahdaa koley nin somali oo ku wasi majiree haduu jirana salbatiibo laaan gu*s ku gelin maayo oo walaahi ah
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 06:27 am you know what you people say your differet to other race but your no where differet yu'al are all the same. to the bro that don't get looks from sis well mate you must be looking somewhere wrong and damn if i saw you with a different race i don't think i wouldn't care cos you do what you like, i ain't your mother see! i don't think its all to do with the guys here i think it goes back in time. why you people stress for its all good. one thing yu'al girls why you care what people say and think about your relationship? see my mom really hates me dating and for her i don't date i have no time for men in my life. sometimes i know in my heart i ain't going marrie a S-bro cos you guys act like your all it! see for one you guys act like we shouldn't see/date a black man but you guys try and act like one why is that? why don't yu'al stop stressing and take the time and about the person you are and why girls ain't coming to you? as well as that why don't you think about some of da girl do what there mother tells them. see! for me when i was young any man come to me for real me kick them soo hard you don't know. and now i am kind the some but no kicking see, i don't like the way you guys come to me like iam so kind of hoe. as well as that when you guys date us girl you go around and tell your mates " boy this girl easy you know, you can got you ting go" but do u at da end NO! and why why the good looking guys try and be player it don't work, to the bible bashes we all know what you get up to. we all know what yu'al girl put the batman clothes crusade but in a year or mouth your the devil himself and then have the cheek to go around telling our mothers we need bashing but hell you don't need to speak cos your more than a hypocrite then we are, we are more then an angle compare to you guys. from cultural girls hasna and fadumo email at fadumo18@excite.com and if you want the other just ask. easy now we out laters
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:42 am Jaale Xoogsade, I do not like Ur sick attitude, leave the sis alone, I think U are suffering multiple personality here!!! Aren't u the same guy who told me we are not racist? hah? •••• hapens haah? "Somalis are not racist"??? What is this Xaar? I C Evil here! When U are not talking with ya A** U sound very atractive.... Now can you pls use your small brain next time not your ass cuz every time U open your ass sh*t comes out and I don't like that... To the rest of Ass holes You are fucked by a big Xabash up in the A** period....like it or not! Warning; Do not assume things,Not that I care but I never, went out with So called "Xabash" =Black-American/white American including Jamaican Get it? good peace n <3 all
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:46 am dhilooyin kale in the house..............hasna and her whore friend
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 10:52 am YOU GO GIRLZ!!!..I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GIRLZ..I WAS BEGINIINEG TO WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REAL GIRLZ!!..............LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE "TRUE GIRLZ' IN THE HOUSE. ANGRYGIRL
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 06:09 pm She: You said: "...every time U open your ass sh*t comes out and I don't like that..." Isn't shitting exactly what the ass is designed for, gay perversions notwithstanding? Or am I missing something? loool... As for racism, I don't know if I am a racist but can you maybe clarify for me what kind of racist I am? Apparently there are quite few species of racism: Dominative Racism; Malignant Racism; Kinetic Racism; Process Racism; Phallic-Oedipal Phase Racism;; Benign Racism; Benevolent Racism; Aversive Racism; Meta Racism; Neo-Racism; Intentional Racism; Subtle Racism; I don't which one I am guilty of but I tell you for me people are divided into two camps: The inhabitants of Dar-al-Islam on the one hand and the unbelievers in Dar-al-Xarb(The abode of eternal conflict) on the other. The people in the House of Islam are my brothers no matter what their ethnicity, language, country of origin, colour, height, look or what have you. The rest are about as attractive to me as the rotting week-old carcass of a once heehawing donkey. I also love all Somalis(even the misguided ones like GangreneSister) regardless of tribe, region, dialect, appearance etc. and pray and work for their success and progress in this world and the next. The rest of the world as far as I am concerned can, and I apologize in advance for my indecorous language, suck my large, hairy moose cockk. Your humble servant Xoogsade
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 06:27 pm She: And don't give me that mealy-mouthed, universalist, left-wing, touchy-feely, secular humanist, New Age, hippy-dippy, we are all the same people, free love, multiculturalist, liberal claptrap. I have had my fill of it in Canada and that way lies nothing but madness such as the legal and moral equality between homosexual partners and married couples that has been establishedand promulgated into law in this morally bankrupt corner of the world. I don't have to tell you about it since you live here. And as for GangreneSister business, I don't like to abuse and insult people least of all a Somali sister but she had to expect some kind of reaction after all that provocative bullshitt. Where there is light there is heat. for every force there is an equal and opposite reaction etc etc etc.(My physics courses are but a hazy memory) but you get the drift.....
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| | Tuesday, June 20, 2000 - 06:48 pm Cultural Babes: What on god's green earth are you guys babbling about? Yours is the most incomprehensible, incoherent, confused and confusing posting I have ever seen on this forums, which is no mean achievement. Where you guys on crack when you wrote it? Just curious.
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| | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 04:39 am xoogsade..anyone ever tell you you're suffering from multi-personality disorder..one second you sound like you are educated,relegious,and a nonracist. The next minute you sound likeone of the "niggers" you keep putting down.."i don't like insulting a somali sister"..lol..that was a joke right??..cause baby let me tell that you did some dirty insulting....so here is a a little advice for you :COME BACK WHEN YOU FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN..OR ELSE SEE YOURSELF TO A THERAPIST..CAUSE YOU KNOW THEY GOT ALL KINDS OF TREATMENTS FOR MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDERS
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| | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 05:15 am ANGRYGIRL = TRUESISTA Oo kaalay waxa lagaa celcelinayo ma jareer baa? oo adna aad ku sii cararaysid, waxaad ka hesho waxba ha iga siinin, waxaanse kaaga digayaa markuu shan jareer oo yaryar intuu kugu raro oo ku yiraahdo America iska celi, oo intaad guri "Project" degto, welfare-na laguu qoro, "crack" uu ku baro, ood dawarsato, ama dhileysato si aad u hesho hal dose, ha ku soo noqonin Somalida markaas. Waligaa ma aragtay jareer aabo leh, kulli waxay leeyihiin hooyo kaliya, aaway aabihii, ma ogi. Nabadey
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| | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 09:34 am liibaan..how is that any different than the postion somali women are in right now...even they have SOMALI husbands??..single mother??hah..when was that last time you looked around???....project???already there...welfare, beat you to it bro!!..and remeber theses are somali women with SOMALI HUSBAnds
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| | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 06:00 pm Angrysister: It is really, really, really true that I hate abuse of any kind against anyone but your provocations just drove me nuts and I also thought you were one of those shitt-disturbers who start threads to cause mayhem. But I see you are an honest and well-intentioned, albeit misguided. So let us just agree to disagree about this dating foreigners business cause it just rubs me the wrong way anytime I see a Somali sister with a foreigner and I doubt if I will ever change. I also apologize to you if I caused you any pain or distress by my words. I meant to attack your ideas in an open and cheerful, subtly Rabelaisian polemical spirit but somehow I was overwhelmed by my anger and the whole thing degenerated into a vulgar and hatefully obscene diatribe and I am not proud of it. Nonetheless I will always be ready to give my two cents worth if you bring up these kinds of topics. And now I have to go and think of a response to your attack on Soamali family life. NO COARSENESS THOUGH I PROMISE.
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| | Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 03:44 am xoogsade....pain??..anger??..are you kidding???..your insults were actually very funny, and reflected your ignorance!! There isn't going to be peace when you hold up the white flag and then proceed to tell me it was for my own good!!..you're holding up the white flag becuase you LOST~!!!
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| | Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 06:01 am Mudane Xoogsade! I think u are all the above and more U are old nasty man.....The A** thang meant your mouth every time u open to insult Shiit comes out...LOL That is b4 the white flag Now I think U look Smashing (*__^) I like ya 4 now! I have read your coment in the other discusion I am not amused Bcareful aboow! I think u playing with fire..... Angry sista, I think u are dead wrong this time leave the brotha alone...There is not that many guys who will admit they are wrong.......and I admire him for that.....Bravo Xoogsade! peace n <3 all
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| | Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 04:03 pm Angrysister: If I have hurt you and you are putting up brave front then I am sorry. If on the other hand you found my postings merely to be amusing triflings then I am indeed very well pleased. The opposite would be frightfully distressing. But your claim of victory is somewhat baffling for no other reason than that we were not debating but rather directing abuse at each other, neither one convincing the other of the validity of their opinions. But in one way I have lost. I have lost against myself in that I lowered my standard of rethoric to such a scatological level. She: What is this preoccupation that you have with excrement and the excretory functions. Everywhere it is xaar and ass. You are a gifted exponent of the dark arts of invective, but a little variety and imagination would further enhance your reputation. Incidentally I am no slouch when it comes abuse. What you have seen above was merely "dhoolatus" or like a training exercise during milatary maneuvers. I was using blanks. The full arsenal was safely stowed away for use in a genuine confrontation against masculine aggression. Gool micida uma feyto aar kaloo ii soo musuusuqa mooyee.
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| | Friday, June 23, 2000 - 10:43 pm angrySister like Mariah and Hana said YOU GO GIRL***Tell it like it is sis YA HEARD ME***...*** I also suspected that Muna and suleikha are not females, I think they are what we call WANNABE'S... Later y'all.
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| | Saturday, June 24, 2000 - 05:25 am Somaliyey Waxaad America uu googtan Aflaagaddo iyo HIV.
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| | Saturday, June 24, 2000 - 10:38 am alaa maxaa gabdho dhilooyin ah naga dhasheen hadaan somali nahay
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| | Saturday, June 24, 2000 - 04:00 pm Dear Xoogsade! Lol @ "Dhoola tus" that was good one bro,But isma oran.... About the Dabo thing,I have the notion U "my Somali brothers" are very sensative to this part...........Just to piss you off I use this terms..And this is unlikely to stop as far as I don't agree to what u saying........So U may get use to it me brotha..... Peace all
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| | Monday, June 26, 2000 - 12:04 pm OK AM EXTREMELY infuriated!!...EXTREMELY ANGRY AND EXTREMELY SHOCKED!....AFTER MIXING OXYGEN WITH WATER I FOUND THAT MEN ARE SOME IDIOTS WITH LOW IQ COUNT cells....ANF THE FORMULA IS H2O-(D) D-REPRESENTIN' -DUM!
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| | Monday, June 26, 2000 - 07:45 pm thats why we never call the morning AFTER huh?
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| | Monday, June 26, 2000 - 07:45 pm Why are you so angry? Are you upset because of your discovery of the low intelligence of men? Or are you upset about their actions? One suggestion. Men think with their d**ks so try wearing Hijaab and you will discover men actually saying something intelligent to you. And the drooling will stop too. btw this applies only if you are an extremely beautiful woman which is the case with virtually all Somali women.
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| | Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 04:56 am xoogsade...you must be one hell of a sweet talker..."all somali women..??"..lol....alot of ppl would disagree...but then alot more would agree. anotherangrysister--- breath...inhale....exhale...inhale..exhale.............now what was that again??? later ppl!
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| | Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 05:40 am 'Ello AngrySister! Its about time I step in this case.... First of all Liibaan, If only every Somali guy would respond to sisters like angrysister. Which brings me to my next point for angrysister, If you want to establish a movement called "Let's Date/Marry Foreigner" regardless race, religion or Nose size, and dedicate yourself to a situation that will build a generation of little "barbie-girls" like you, that's fine.... But do I feel sorry for your mother, who probably wanted to inherit her qualities to you. Bottom line sis, if you want to be heavily involved of seeking an answer for your question "why do somali guys get angry by dating a foreigner".... you already heard all of them. And to the supporters of angrysister, you have wasted the gift of your Somaliness.... be more open minded to other things than some typical pathetic Jerry-Springer topics. Its near enough for us to celebrate as Somalis, last thing we need is angrysister and her ethical issues. Fancy another Lecture? Dare you chat crab about "Legal advising for Somali sisters and their foreig partners!" See ya! SimplyMo
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| | Tuesday, June 27, 2000 - 07:24 pm SimplyMo leave the girls alone, pls. AngrySister how long do mean to stay angry yourself?
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| | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 01:51 am I'll leave the girls... as long as, there are no more BOLD issues about themselves are expressed, wether its true or fantasy! simplymo
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| | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 04:40 am Guys Some of our girls have fantasies of a Mandingo or a Nubian with 18" dickk digging them hardly and mercilessly, so don't interrupt them. Bye
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| | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 04:52 am SIMPLYMO...nobody forced you to read and respond to my discussion..and frankly your sentence structure didn't make a bit of sense..so advice #1:enroll for eng-101..this fall semester...then get back to me. LII...and you ppl have the nerve to call me a sex-addict....i challenge all of you to look back on everything i have written on this discussion forums, and point out obscene language..or anything that might make me seem like a sex addict..there is only one sentence in all of my passages that even suggests sex, and if you look closely at that sentence you'll see that i was merely quoting something that a GUY said. so here is my advice to you all "PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH" XOOGSADE:..i lost my anger long time ago..but i have to use the "angrysister" nickname because then everyone will know who i am, and what i said..just like you using "xoogsade" bye for now
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| | Wednesday, June 28, 2000 - 05:55 am you should give up sitting on those benches in the aprk sis.... honestly! simplymo
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| | Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:58 am Hahaha u guys are realy funny, somali people never change and thats AMASING, are country when down coz people like u saying u should not do this but this, its none of your business, if he dates/marries a muslim girl/boy i am happy for u guys. God did not say dont date/marry out side your tribe or race as long as you are muslim. Thats all that matters being muslim. the poeple that take about tribes or race are lonely and sad excuse for being human, if u rememeber adam and eve they had all of us if u are black, somali, chinese.......dont everforget that. peace out and think about what i said
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| | Friday, June 30, 2000 - 05:29 am S.A. Ma fahmin waxaad sheegtay, Waxaase la yaab leh waxa ku khasba dadka qaarkiis iyagoon dhamaysan fasalkii kowaad ee ESL-ka inay haddana isku dayaan inay wax ku qoraan af ingiriisi. Mey iska sugaan intay si fiican wax uga baranayaan. meeshan meel lagu practice-gareeyo uma haysanin oo waxaan moodayay meel fikrado la isku dhaafsado.
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| | Friday, June 30, 2000 - 07:17 pm To Angry sister...First of all, there is no need to remind one another of how bad our English is. It is NOT our mother language to begin with, so it is okay to make a mistake here and there. Secondly, I really don’t see where are all these madness coming from, you called us unnecessary name such as Skinny N...., and as far as we concerned you can marry to whomever rock your world as long as he is a MUSLIM, it is your life after all. As you probably know, being Somali, it is normal to look down at other nationalities, we look down at one another for God sake, so are we sick, yes indeed sis. So, you better get use to it angry sis. I personally will look down at any sisters who decided to down grade her own religion when she marry to non-Muslim, that is my ONLY concern. But again, I will NOT be the judge, the jury, and the executioner at the same time. As I said, it is her life at the end, and she will be accountable for it.
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| | Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 01:12 pm again..ppl choose to misunderstand me..i think that as somali ppl we are good at hearing what we want and twisting ppl's words. ..you know waaleed what we say :dabaal far waa weeyn aa wax loogu qoraa.so here it is brother..I said A MUSLIM BLACK BROTHER... waaleed..........if you want it clearer than that let me know , i'll be sure to use a bigger font next time
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| | Saturday, July 01, 2000 - 07:39 pm Angry sis, I think that you are NOT only an angry sister, but also a comedian. First of all, I didn’t hear what I wanted, I just read what was posting by you, and oh yeah twisting things isn’t my character. So, calm down, and try to comprehend my ONLY point. Hint, I was trying to enforce and support what you wrote lady. Hope that will clear any misunderstanding, and I don’t think a bigger font is needed here. Remember, degrading your countrymen gets you NO WHERE.
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| | Sunday, July 02, 2000 - 06:40 am waxaan halkan ka dareemay,in xoogsade yahay qof dumar ah ,because waxaan ka arkay ayaa igu filan Naagahan adoontu ka soo wada dhameystay,oo wada HIV+ ah dhanba mar u wata,"No i'm not racist"or what can of racist are pointing me out..blah,blah,balh....hey xoogsade be a man tell them the truth,it looks like you are in prison,ama Faro waaweyn ey kaa hayaan I think so,you scare all the time to censor your sentences...fulay waaxid,oo weliba naagaha ka cabsade...through them off your back man,well,if you are a man...you know what i mean... TO angerysis or what ever they call u u r nothing,,just you & ur followers,u deserve silence(no answer).
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| | Sunday, July 02, 2000 - 11:10 am folks: With due all respect, i think AngerySister challanged us intellectually. And i think it is about time we stopthis social dictatorship--telling ohters what is good forthem. It is about time we should learn how to be individuals. ANd let each one of us run his/her life. This sister is just asking why. Please re-read her first post. She is only asking why we feel threaded when we see Somali girl with anotehr race. Is that too much to ask?. She even took an example of somali girl seeing an Afro-American Muslim man who we all dissed.I guess it is about time we back to sanity.Here gone nutts!. We all know that we somali men date any race. if the sister asked why not that somali women can't date other race, we should be giving her some reasons. AngerySister; I personally could care very little who dates who. But whenever i see somali girl with Afro-American or Afro-canadian, i see hostility and enimosity on their faces. And i wonder why. like the other day, when i run into this couple in StarBucks. The man and Somali girl looked at me right in the eyes. I couldn't take it so i just turned around wondering why.I didn't enjoy my grand Latee, so i took it out. If i asked many Somali girls why they do that, i got "hey it is all about reaction because we know you don't like somali girl with other race guy" was the answer i got. And i wonder why they assume that i care what individuals do with their lives. Correct me if i am wrong but i am assuming it is alla bout mental gmae and what those girls want to make us feel jealous--which unfortuantely i do feel it at all. khalil;
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| | Sunday, July 02, 2000 - 06:32 pm SHAKERHEIGHTS- lol...you a funny character..me and my crew (followers) are getting on your nerves huh??..well you know what they say :LEAD OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. Waleed: brother...i have no words for you..they say :DON'T ARGUE WITH IDIOTS, BECAUSE THEY DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. KHLIL- it's nice to see that someone understands me finally..i thank you very much for your input khalil..keep up the good work, i was about to lose hope for somali bro's....thank you for keeping me from losing that hope!!
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| | Sunday, July 02, 2000 - 07:58 pm Shakerheights: Hargabyahow magaalada ka seexo gabdhahana iska daa. I was gonna argue with you but seeing as you are a mamma's boy still sucking on his thumb I am gonna pass. Your life, you detestable oaf, is an exercise in futility. It is so unnecessesary and pointless that if I were you, I would throw myself away. So go and find a cliff and jump now, today. So long, Jacques. Khalil, AngrySis: There is plenty of reasons for not marrying a foreigner but the list is too damn long. All I can use as my guiding light in this messy business is my own observations and from what I have seen they lead a rather lonely existence these interracial couples(half Somali, I mean). I remember going with my friend who was going to visit his brother in a suburb of New York. Now, the brother is very well educated and has a super job(I won't say where cause it would give him away) in well-known institution and is from a well known family and here he was in the afternoon, when we called on them, in the backyard with his wife, some alcoholic drinks in front of them. This man is living the American dream: great house, bunch of cars, great jobs for him and his wife etc. But to this day I have yet to see a face so contorted with isolation, despair, loneliness and I might even say defeat. The only reason I could think of, from what I seen and gathered, for this man's misery is the complete isolation from his family as a result of his marriage to the foreign woman. And it is not even a matter of being ostracized. It is just that the cultures won't click. I also know a sujuwi friend who recently got divorced from his muslim Pakistani wife for pretty much the same reasons. She was isolated from her Pakistani folk and he from his. If family is important to you then tread carefully before you plunge into mixed marriage.
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 01:57 am waa su´aale maxaa ka doonten ninkale iyagoo raggii soomaalido buuxaan???.. anigu waxaan jiraa 22sano nin soomaali maahee ninkale ilaahey ha iga haayo ammiiiiiiiiin I LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE SOOMAALI MAN
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 07:57 am xoogsade I have just finished reading all your distasteful writings and simply left bewilded!I cannot believe a somali brother would utter those malignant words with a core corruptive intent.My God,who is your mother?Who is your Father?Who is your sister?The idea of having a self made retarded,as a relative is a misfortune and a burden.Poor them!But i cannot imagine you are the type of somali guy who walks around (in real life)broadcasting gross-filthy words as you displayed here.You are the type who smile and behave properly with a creepy geek looks(ofcourse)and just come here to express your frustration on your pathetic life!Please for your own conscience,and consious,do not be so vile a humanbeing.We do not know you so its hugely irrelevant of what we think about you(athough i have to volunteer my thoughts anyway..YOU A PIG).for the sake of the part of your brain which processes the guilt and humanity-in you-be good!Stop this evil-maliscious-self-depricating state of mind.Its certainly not a fashion.Its pathetic and i cannot even imagine you sitting down with your mother and sister and smile to them,and deep down the lies the thoughts of your abussive-imature writings in the world wide web to innocent normal good people reading it!I am astonished!God help you!
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 11:20 am BASRA CHEERS TO YOUR SWEET HEART AND TRUTH ELOQUENCE!I WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT HOOGSADE AND SOME OF THESE "INFERIOR SPECIMEN OF FOOLS",HOWEVER,I REST MY CASE ON YOUR BEHALF! W/ALLAIKUM SALAM PIECE
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 11:49 am Shaker-Heights......Damn i didn't know you live in Cleveland....wuzzup....where in shaker-heights...? Chagrin Blvd..? Lee rd...? Warrensville centre Rd..? Richmond Rd..? Shaker Blvd..? If you know the streets i'm talking about if not please dis-regard my message....By the way this is Clevelander talking to you live from the top of the "Flats" inside Club "Mirrage"...... Cleveland Rocks..........
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 11:50 am Angry sis, it is perfectly fine to be STUPID, but for Allah sake, don’t abuse such a privilege.
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 01:04 pm Basra timirta laga keena iyo Barni iyo bariis iyo xalwiyo Barwaaqo iyo waxaa lagu yiqiin Macaan badan beri samaadkiiye Naa Basra maxaa qadhaadhka kaa keenay inaadeer haddii macaan lagugu yiqiin. Me a pig? Oink Oink. Suits me fine just as long as I speak the truth. The truth shall set you free, ya know. Jamaal I go and play some footie now so I am gonna spank you some other time.
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 06:40 pm xoogsade: I can see where you are comming from but why you are hurling all those degrading comments on our Afro-american brothers? is it simply they date Somali women?. Hey, they date from any race and Somali women shouldn't be exception. And althought all men from other races don't approve blackmen dating their women, there is absolutely nothing they can do since it is those women who are to decide to whom to date. And somali women,too should have this choice. what you wrote down about afro-amricans only shows insecurity we are suffering. And how handcap we are. Brother, look around you wherever you go, there is woman smilling. Many of them don't care your race. they just wanted to be dated and dunked. Please try not sounding like "ma wase lagamana wase" those somali women you with other races, need men.if you can't be the one, then let those nigers take care of them.they are "nafley" after all. And you know what Xoogsade! you are falling into a trap!.Many somali women are so stupid up to a point they don't know what they want in life. I swear many of those lost women just date afro-amrican to make somali men feel bad or make them jealous. And you are reacting exactly the way they want you to. And that is why they are torturing you and make you react the way you doing.Man you seem those women have upper hand on you and beating double standard--torturing you and making fun of out of you(basra).Can you the double beat?. you lost twice in this arguement. I guess it is about time you realize how the game is played out here. I also guess i gave you enough pointers to work things out. And FYI, among Afro-Americans are good educated people, not to mention some of them are muslims.please don't generalize them. Basra; take it easy on the brother. And guess what Basra, you did same thing and you are guys can make good couple sine you are on a same boat ;-). He degraded entire nation(black peole) but you also draged and beat him to death. Because of that, you ain't better than him. khalil
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 06:59 pm Jamaal: Where are your fuckingg balls when you are telling everybody that you are too scared to confront me or are you just too stupid and cow-witted to present an argument. So you are just glad to have the ladies fight your battles for you, you soft, dull-eyed fool. You sir are a fucking urinal so go sit in a washroom so I can piss on you. You remind of the guy in Dixon who came home one night and his wife refused to open the chain on the door. She told him she is entertaining a male guest and asked him to come back later. He asked how much later. She slammed the door on him. Same kind of dickless,emasculated behaviour.
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 07:32 pm Khalil: Thanks for the advise you are a smart mutha.... About the negro, these words of Shakespeare are rather appropriate: When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast As for Basra instead of arguing sensibly and rationally she rather settled for gratuitous abuse and name-calling, which is fine as far as it goes but my honour enjoins me from replying in kind. It would be most unchivalrous and contrary to the Somali man's code of conduct to do so(I have the latest updated manual if you are interested, lol). I am still regretting the way I assailed AngrySister with abuse that never seemed remotely fair, any more than it was acceptable. But the substance stands: Negroes bad, interracial thingies bad. And the reason I lashed out is mainly the perception out there that somehow blacks are our brothers and we have a common cause. Rubbish. The white man and black American man are closer to each other than we could ever be to either one. They share a common religion, names, attitudes, assumptions, lifesyles etc. Unless we make like the Indians and Koreans and make ourselves aloof from the most backward, underachieving minority in America they are gonna suck us into their miasma of despair, failure and defeat. Sex and dating is the least of our problems when in a few years we can look forward a new genaration of Somali gangsta rapppers.
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| | Monday, July 03, 2000 - 07:37 pm waleedlololol I didn't know stupidity was a privilage.You know what happens when you dont read those tiny benefits instructions they send through your mail?you never know when u are missing a benefit as promising as a privilage to use stupidity! lololol
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| | Tuesday, July 04, 2000 - 05:20 pm LOL...looks like this whole thing is taking a turn in the road that i never expected..i was expecting name-calling, and intellectual-wannabes..but now, i see i'm in a whole different ball park. KHALIL-I must congratulate you on your well written repsonse to xoogsade..and a well hidden counter attack at my article!!!lol...in responding to my article xoogsade lowered himslef to a level that i wasn't even gonna go with him, alot of other guys just plain old accused me of wanting to get laid (you yourself seemed to have hinted at that), still others like mohomed ibrahim acted like i as a somali girl owed them a favor..and then there were the others who just plain old came here to let out steam...YOU HOWEVER KHALIL...made a clean counter attack, you admitted that it actually got to you to see a somali girl with a person of another race,yet in that same breath you made it sound like since we COULDN't get it from somali guys might as well get it from a black guy..as if the whole thing was just about sex,and getting laid..i seriously doubt that ALL somali girls who date foreigners want to get laid..and even if they did i'm sure they could easily get it from a somali guy..admit it khalil..somali guys are not known for thier virtue!! TELL ME KHALIL..HAVE I UNDERSTOOD YOU RIGHT??..OR HAVE I JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS??...I STILL THINK THAT IF XOOGSADE MET HIS MATCH IN BASRA..THEN MAYBE I HAVE MET MINE IN YOU...DEPENDING ON HOW YOU RESPOND TO THIS ARTICLE..IN THE MEANWHILE I CONGRATULATE YOU...ON YOUR COUNTER ATTACK...AND NO, I'M NOT MAKING FUN OF YOU..YOUR ARTICLE REALLY MADE ME CHUCKLE..VERY AMUSING!
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| | Wednesday, July 05, 2000 - 03:35 am angry sister, Congratulations to khalil is completely not necessary.I could understand as you perfectly lighted that you only contrat-his skillfull 'veiled' counter atack,you should only contulate him for being a perfect gentleman,who despite his opposition on the current dispute,is charmingly civilsed enough to respond decently!Such congratulations could only follow presumptious notion of reference to some RETARDS in here who are as savage as the parties he was condenming (afro american)!I mean face it,however angle you view the idea of inter-racial marriages,somalis should only care about the future nonsomali spouse to be muslim.Thats all.Other quotations of some prejudice authors who know zero knowledge about afro americans or slaves are just a reflect as to the one who reads his books.I believe we as humanbeings should walk this life without any restriction on humanity and kindness.We shouldn't judge anyone unless then purely become walking PIGS they its sort of our kindness part to light they are 'OINK OINK'. and maybe we do them great justice to remind their faults!On my last humble note,angry sister,somali brothers are like all brothers of humanity who reject changes and react differently,but only time and patients,education,tollerations,and self advancement will introduce them to civil societies one sweet day!So argueng with them will only foccuss on their PIG..sideof their humanity!Thats not cool!Viva de la inter-racial-marriages!
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| | Wednesday, July 05, 2000 - 04:47 am ooh god my speelings sucks!Ha!I mean congratulate...among others....ha!
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| | Wednesday, July 05, 2000 - 05:06 pm I think Basra has gone over to the "Dark Side". And you know what really bugs me about the touchy-feelly New Age thinking: Don't judge people. Of course we have to judge people because there is such a thing as good and bad. But I agree with her that education is the way to enlightenment. Too bad you can't get in the west today. The whole curriculum has been dumbed down and politicized to the point where learning takes a secondary role to rigorous academic instruction. Basra is merely a perfect illustration of the zietgeist and is obviously a summa cum laude graduate of "Diversity Education" University. Now she is prescribing the ethos of said university to pull us Somali men from the depths of our ignorance, to mould the traditional Somali man to fit into this prevailing political orthodoxy of intellectual uniformity, conciousness-raising, racial, gender, sexual awareness and sensitivity. Above all to get rid of the "false conciousness" that is so oppresive to women and minorities(I am minority within a minority and yet I am an oppresser?). To avoid judging. Well sister this dish is not very tasty to me and I will not partake and thankfully most of the Somali brotherhood is with me on this. You on the other hand have been thoroughly indoctrinated and as a result there is no hope for you. Basra instead of being angry with me you should be angry at the people who have so indoctrinated you, while denying you real education as evidenced by the flawed and slipshod logic of your arguments and your regrettable disregard for the rules of grammar and spelling. Understandable because today rules of any kind are out of fashion since they reinforce the class structure and are to the disadvantage of the underclass which has its own street lingo. Whazzzuupp...........Whazuuupp nuthin much jus chillin like a villan........Ebonics good, huh. Since you like blacks, I was gonna quote some lyrics from that celebrated African-American poet Nefarious P.I.G. uh, I mean Notorious B.I.G. where he talks about women(ho's as he refers to them) but I thought it might bring down more attacks on me so I pass.
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| | Wednesday, July 05, 2000 - 07:01 pm Third paragraph should be: "But I agree with her that education is the way to enlightenment. Too bad you can't get in the west today. The whole curriculum has been dumbed down and politicized to the point where learning takes a secondary role to vigorous political indoctrination"
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:00 am XOOGSADE--for a man that seems to despise african americans, you know alot of their lyrics,a nd quotes!!!.
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 07:11 am Angry sister good point! But,Xoogsade does not have the privilage of despising any one,its too expensive for his sort.Did you read hes comment,"im a minority within a minority and yet i am an opressor"!To despise another, you should have a great distinction between the two!In this case i hardly imagine there is any distinction.They all listen to rap,they both are perceived to be the same race by the rest of the world,they both in a sense are direct descedants of africans who are viewed by the world as low primitive last connection to the theory of evolution!( not that i find this theory agreeable,at all-i think Adam and Hawo is the version i accept)But my point is thats how the world views afrincans.Abaay naturally its just an expensive privilage for him to feel or afford despise,lets not separate the elements of the same components!And yes i almost forgot,"yet i'm an opressor"!Ha!..To who..your farm animals?The goats or the cows? And what did you say about my grammer?My spellings are not commedable,but moderately logical,i mean if you can understand them its enough.if i was in a spelling test class my concerns would have been different.Also what did you say about my arguements?regrettable?And i am not angry at you aboowe,i am a great advocate of the human self advancements and that discludes any anger,negativity and projections of vanity!And i'm tired of writing,especially to your sorts of intellect part of brain compass!-This repeatitive word you throw at me-"indoctrination" xoogsade you are hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I wont even talk about it,just to save myself the diluting stigmata of obliviousness and ignorance.and thank god this "indoctrinatiolism is not your 'tastey dish',it wasn't meant for your sorts,your sorts are destined to mediocre chronologic inhabitance,blame biology!And please please please please please,do me a favor,DO NOT use the 'plural adress by saying..'we somali brother'...you may be somali brother by birth,certainly not by mental status!And finaly xoogsade i'm not this harsh normally.Thanx for bringing the worst in me!!!Goddddddddddddddddddd!
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 09:16 am Basra,, Straight to the point and well written. Keep the good work and don't let this jerk bully you around. Hey Hoogsade no offense brother, she makes more sense to me. But I would like to take this opportunity and congratulate both of you for a wonderful "enlightenment" and healthy debate. I am looking forward to see more…
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 09:25 am pen names different but same people, I agree very enlightening on both camps. Keep it up guys. A.Qani
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 12:06 pm Hats off for Angerysister, xoogsade and Basra and rest of the crew who behaved proberly.Althought nothing is agreed, everyone made good points. Angerysister: First i do apologize my late response. I rarely visit this page.Please nothing personal. Second thanks for taking time to congraluating me. I do appreciate that. And match meeting business, well what can i say?. In Somali culture,in any circumance a gentleman doesn't reject an offer from a lady. And i just wished if i pass the test while i don't compromise my early opinion for the sake of you ! lol. Back to topic at hand, I am really kind of lost in such way that i don't know where to start. At no point of time was I counter attacking your aguement directly or indirectly. And also at no point of time did i imply you need go get laid. Needless to say we all know you need it huhuhuhuh!. And hey why twisting the issue? what else woman dates men other than sex?(either longtime relationship or one night stand. However, In my earlier psoting, you may sense that i have some kind of cynical view on those somali women who dates non-somali africans. i guess we have to understand the difference between what you like(feel) and what the reality is. I mean it is universal and male-culture thing that every man of any race likes his women and feel the women are belong to him. For instance, whiteman doesn't approve whitewoman messing with other races. so as an arab, Indian, Chinese and somalis. but the reality is there is nothing man in any race can do since it is woman's choice whom to date. For that reason, i am lying to you to the bones if i say i don't feel my rights being violated when i see good looking somali woman dating other race lol . I guess it is something that you females don't underestand. in the man's world when man's women is taken by some other males he has to feel some kind of jealousy. But i have to be reasonable than emotional. And that is when asking myself this question of "isn't all her life and doesn't she has rights to choose whom she wants?" comes me handy. And honestly speaking the only difference between me and Xoogsade is the magnitude. After i ask this question myself, i handle my emotions while xoogsade let his emotion takes over his sanity. And I also realized that most somali women who dates non-somali, especially non-mulim blacks, fall one of two categories.Also there is exceptions. 1-low life who can't get good somali men and angery to the bones.One good example being *weris diiriye* who always degrades somalis wherever she goes in the name of Female circumicission. When in fact she feels rejected. 2-Some so-called educated liberals leftists who bought into the bulshit that idealist school of thought preach. They preach damn lies and hypocrity that has no base in real life. Basra is good example here and Martin luther king jr--propbably basra's God father ahahaha being the biggest liar and hypocrite.(hey basra nothing personal). And there is those somalis who made good life but can't make the cut into this white man's world. And then, resorted to the black community for satisfaction.Iman is good example here. That is my opinion and that is maybe what you sensed why earlier writing and called counter attack. However, As i stated above i was not counter attacking since there was nothing wrong the question that asked when you started the thread. and your argument was clear. You may find me contradictory. but so as everybody else.;-). However,you can ask for clarification any time. And lastly please let me know if pass the damn test! lol. Xoogsade: ShakesPear was another racist whiteman. no matter how great he was. he is just anotehr dick headed white pig. the niger he was degrading was you and your brother!. And one more thing, xoogsade, i really liked your arguemnet althought you sometimes seem to me "fulay" ahahahaha. why "fulay"? waayo waad qoryo badan tahay eheheheheh!. please note you are dealing with women and no matter what they say at the end you can get your way. And Basra is not bad she only needs good shots that make her rethink. Those liberals mother fuckers programmed her in the name of humanity. you need to unprogram her. One of course of software re-engineering class will do it.and remember, "women know less and understand more". And do me a favor Xoogsade from now on leave somali women alone. that is only your weakness. I swear you will be rated #1 articulate if just drop afro-amercian and somali women issues. One more thing: Xoogsade and Basra; we aren't in social science or literature class. I would appreciate if you write lay man's english. khalil
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 12:23 pm "WOMAN KNOW LESS AND UNDERSTAND MORE HUH??!!!!!!!" I will comment later..................
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 12:39 pm wallahiiiii i am soooooooooo madddddddddddddddd!khalil what did you say ooooooooooh godddddddddddddddddddddd!i have to have a fresh air!!!!bye
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 05:27 pm Basra I also tiring of sinking my rotting fangs into you, as it were, is-jiidjiidasho ya know, but you have hit the nail on the head. You say there is no distinction between Soamlis and the other blacks. True but the distinction is only skindeep. There is vast gulf between Somalis and African-Americans as far as cultures are concerned and that is where the distinction is and the difference. And it seems many Somalis are only too willing to be subsumed into pathological culture to the detriment of their o. Of all the cultures and mores to adopt in North America there is not one more destructive than the African-American one. I will give various examples when I get the time. A second point I raise is that those Somalis who are assimilated into the black culture always adopt the "Victimhood" and self-pity that is a familiar feature of said culture; The Italians know this too and they have a word "vittissimo" to describe their own minorities and the self-pitying attitudes to be found in Puglia, Calabria, Sicilia inter alia. Such attitudes however were never known to Somalis and I can't imagine a real Somali person well-grounded in his culture would utter a statement like this: "they both are perceived to be the same race by the rest of the world,they both in a sense are direct descedants of africans who are viewed by the world as low primitive last connection to the theory of evolution!". A true Somali would identify himself as a muslim and a Somali(a unique combination); His typically uncharitable views of others would be more important than the vice versa; Would give no heed or credence to the views of others, secure in the knowledge that the good lord was more than generous in making him a Somali, and to flaunt one's good luck in people's faces would be rather like counting one's poker winnings at the table. Generations of white foreigners have been infuriated by this refusal by the Somalis to genuflect at the altar of white Supremacy. But after a few years in America after the culture has been discarded we see that in reality many have become like the native enslaved blacks and are buying into their victimhood culture of "The Man" forever oppressing the Brothers and end up making statements like the above one made by Basra. The problems arising out of low self-steem and its harmful effects on the African-American community I will detail on another occasion. Khalil: Many excellent points again, brother. Thanx for taking the time to reply. Incidentally the quote from Shakespeare is from the The Merchant of Venice and it refers to a German aristocrat. I just used(misused?) it for my purposes. And of course there is no denying he was racist. This particular play is violently anti-semitic. But then again aren't we all prejudiced in one way or the other. As the man said: If it was not for prejudice I wouldn't be able to cross the street. AngrySister: I never liked rap and I never listened to it. But the first lines are from 2livecrew and they were all the rage when I was going to school and all my friends were listening to them, some of them were even black Ameicans. I couldn't possibly avoid this kind of music if I were to socialize. Things have a way of sticking to my mind, good and bad. It is like crazy glue, really. btw all my friends have outgrown this music as I gather from their dispatches to me from around the globe, wherever they have scattered to after school. As for Nefarious P.I.G. I just wanted to show off my clever word play(maybe it is not so clever after all). I never listened to him but I heard he was a crack dealer and woman-basher(woman-bashing being compulsary feature of this murky musical form, I hear).
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 06:02 pm Jalafaay: What do you mean bullying I am the one being attacked from all sides. I tell you I am beset by an an angry, estrogen-overloaded, femi-nazi-inspired mob ready to serve my balls on plate. I must send out some help cause the situation looks rather dire for me and Khalil.
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 07:09 pm Khaliil Your comment about women know less and understanding more has really moved my emotions(as you can see above how mad i was until i had a fresh air),but as composure is my moto and civilisation is my thread, i kindly disregard your javelin volatile marks in spirit of aknowledging your ignorance and your simple structure of your brain.Who knows maybe ,not every brain has a gurantee potential growth.And judging by your delicate manners and fine mouth,i couldn't even be shocked if your basis theory of women was derived from the women in your family.Maybe you see all women in your mothers eyes or sisters eyes and conclude that,they must have such parallels,(reason)their sex!So i kindly dismiss your notion on the predication of 'masculinism-nazi,as xoogsade says we are femi-nazi,deriving that conclusion ofcourse,first from the word feminine,second from our 'unorthodox sense of expression,well xoogsade,the balls are on your plate,omitting your original comparison ofcourse, to the balls is in your field,kick it,or lie down there and wait the sun to rise into REALITY!And xoogsade stop this tautology of yours,be explicit and mark your grounds in views,ambivilance has never been one of my favorites inprorieties! so finaly you conceed that afro-americans have no distinction from somalis,thanx-further objections are furtherly denied,no buts,no buts.Oh the culture crap you throw to our face in defence to emphasisng your advertent,as i said before and i say again,as long as the spouse of the future non somali is muslim(which basically covers the ideaology of culture and religeon)and muslim alone!And Einstein quoted that "imitations are the greatest flatterey,aboowe do not imitate to be a somalian,the real somalian brother would certainly take that as an insult!Ha!I'm soo amused,wallahi. Khalil,so brainwashed in the name of humanity?Can i say the same laws of Masculism-nazi applies to you too.Brain washed in the name of 'machoonism'cuz i'm sure your mother raised you be be cool and grow up a good fellow,suddenly you think her sex is "know less understand more" dear Forrum helpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!Ha!
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 07:21 pm Adiguba caqlaad leedehee carar maxaa dhaama War kabahaygii meeye....
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 08:02 pm HA! HA! xoogsade aboowe,xooogaayeee baa'aaye inaa aabti meshaadii joog..ha!
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| | Thursday, July 06, 2000 - 11:40 pm angrysister. Abbaayo are you satisfied yet..or you are still angry..?.. I told you.. simlpy.. if your dooq... is attracted to nonsomali men.. that is fine.. go for it.. as long as you make sure that he is muslim... beauty is in the eye of the beholder... if you are not satisfied with the slim... good looking somali guys.... no proplem... you are not to be blamed for that... there are many african american muslims... good looking studs.. go for them... okey..? simply solved... rest in peace now and no more harrassment for somali guys...
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| | Friday, July 07, 2000 - 04:46 am Khalil....what was that??..women no less and understand less??.."remember these are women and you'll get your way at the end?"...well honey you just failed the test with flying colors. And yes you are very contradictary, first you make sexist comments then rebuke xoogsade???..excuse me xoogsade's comments were alot less offensive thank you..i'll have a dose of xoogsade's insults any day thank you!! i have to go now, but i'll be sure to comment more later (you can bet on that). angrysister p.s...if we're so dumb how come i (A WOMAN), have managed to make your emotions run hot and cold?..angry and firey as a fire cracker!!And that's just over the internet, bet i could do it again if i saw you in real life!
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| | Friday, July 07, 2000 - 06:25 am Basra--i can't agree with you more sister (i would like it if you spoke in simple english though, i have to guess what you mean sometimes!)...Men have been raised to believe, that they are "powerful","smarter", "wiser"....compared to what though??, in what fields are they so smart in??, in the corporate world??, business world??.smarter?..i'd like to see a man hold a broom without looking awkard (you will argue that some men can do this,then a woman can run a succesful business), powerful??..try going through labor and then let's see whose powerful. See my ppl, i believe men and women are different..i think ther have different roles to play and that each is good at what they were created to do...i don't think one could survive without the other...but what happens when the lines are crossed and one is forced to play the role of the other??..when it comes to that, i think women have been more succesful in adapting to these new roles. For example take the modern family ,50-50 is the rule of the game, both parents work outside the home (which ,traditionally was the man's role)women however are still coming home and cooking dinner and taking care of the kids..so who in this case proves to be good at adapting??..who looks lazy??..i mean women have come out and shared the role of breadwinning with men, AND keep playing their traditional roles as wives and mothers..men on the other hand are left with HALF the job they used to do traditionally (remember women shared it with them)..so i'm starting to think that maybe men were incompetent in performing their duties as breadwinners and thus needed the help of women!!??..i would have thought maybe equality was being established , but looking around if it was EQUALITY, then how come women are doing their fifty percent and then taking on some of the other fifty percent that was supposed to be men's job??!! I REST MY CASE. ANGRYSISTER
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| | Friday, July 07, 2000 - 09:24 am Basra: I have good news and bad news for you!. The good news is i am neither against intermariage nor interdate. Because of that you don't have to waste more energy on me. Take that energy to fight Xoogsade. He is the one who is against it. The bad news is this idea that drove you crazy and took all your sanity away of "women know less and understand more" is not mine. In fact, it was from JACQUE ROSE', one French philosopher(i am not sure if i am spelling the name right). And the complete quotation is " I like women better than men because women know less and understand more".And by saying that Mr ROSE' meant positive side. But if you looked at the negative side, so let it be. It is Rose' who is to deffend his idea from his grave!. And honestly speaking, i feel sorry for you to waste all this energy on me thinking the theory originates me. It has got nothing to do with my family(my mom and sister). However, you may question why i quoted. case closed. AngerySister: I can see angrier than ever. But can i do about it. Nothing. And Believe me the idea of that i failed the test makes more sense than passing it. Imagine when you cram all night long just to pass tommorrow's test and you don't know what you gonna get.That was my position i really didn't know what the result will look like which can be more shocking than failing the test sometimes. And for your info sister, i was not contesting with Xoogsade. And if xoogsade made more sense than me what is the problem?. why not taking his. If you have low opinion on Xoogsade, dearest i don't. However i would like to tell you there is one problem i see any somali woman's argument. They are only two way street.They see everything either black or white. nothing else in between. If the guy support 100% of their idea. guess what? he is a nice guy and intelligent!. That is when they see in white. But when the guy disagree with them even 1%,no matter how much he agrees with them, guess what? he is a chauvinist pig+ jerk + ••••••• + retard and much more stuff.And it is when they see everything through black eyeglass. Hello it shouldn't be that way. I can disagree with you 100% but still can see you intelligent and nice person. In my world, it is childish to say "you agree with me , you good. you disagree with me you bad". I really don't like to pledge my head into gender war. It is because somali women are coming to bleeding edge. And anyone who tries to take the opposit side of their arguement will get wrath and harsh reactions. i guess that is all for gender war. khalil.
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| | Saturday, July 08, 2000 - 07:48 am lolKhaliil thanx happy saturday!Rather go out there and enjoy the sun!try it guys its fun!I recommend walking bare footed on the grass of the parks.And bring a book to read too.Jovial!
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| | Sunday, July 09, 2000 - 06:28 pm Basra you are one crazy woman tellin us to go for a stroll in the park. How am I supposed to go to the park when I am undergoing counselling for trauma as a result of all the abuse I suffered from you ladies. I am gonna back with more facts and arguments after I finish my sessions with the doc. So be ready for war. The gender and race wars are just starting. Btw: Have you guys noticed all the so-called Black muslim sports stars when they win a championship taking a bath in champagne. And how Kareem Abdul-Jabar the most fanatical of all Black muslims in the old days was arrested in the Toronto Airport with a shitload of pot. How crazy is that? The only good secular Black muslim public figure I can remember is Craig Hodges who used to play for the bulls.
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 10:18 am basra: very romantic!. i wished if i read it on saturday!. it is already Monday. By the way, i can't imagine how one liberal facist could be such romantic lol!. And I don't see any black brother at the parks. only whites !Nothing personal!
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 11:37 am Hi Khalil I take it back.Have a bad a saturday!Ha!Anyways,the parks are great,and romantic,you're right!And its a mixed place aboowe,qoof walaan baad tahay ha!I dont care if there are whites?or Blacks?why does everything have to be Black and White?So do you constantly,walk the street saying."oh too many whites here or oh too many blacks here,thats better"?Just walk and say oh what a bunch of nice crowd?And i am not a liberal facist!I dont even know what it is!Can you define that for me.I would have easily refered to the dictionary but i guess you might have meant it diferently! IIsniin wanaagsaan!!Ha!xoogsade you too!Ha!(despite the mood air)
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 03:00 pm Basra- took your advice and went to the park!!..but it was so hot i was sticking to the bench!!!!!..your right though going to the park is fun!!...but isn't it ironic!!--there was four of us at the park , 2 of my friends went to the car to just talk (obviously something they didn't want the rest of us to hear )..can you belive that some white high school students hollered "nigger!!!!!" at them, my friends ignored them a bit , but when the kids proceeded to stick confederate flags on their lawns, they decided FOUR of us was better then 2.!!!.. AMERICA AND IT'S RACISM..MAN!!! ANGRYSISTER
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 04:01 pm ANGRYSISTER HA! Thats so hillarious.You making this up.Abaayo Ilaahi kacaabsoo lol!!!Anyway if it happened,you shouln't take offence,the word nigger is simply a defination of 'black skin'.So its just like they calling you 'blacker'!Why didn't you shout white trush!I wouldn't do that cuz for us somalis' i guess sort of inaffective to us.We dont have the slavery history on which the resentment of the word originated.So your self esteem should be secured.I know i'm sounding so unpolitical,but there is a saying that goes like,'be mean to me,and i'll return the meaness to you".Thats how i view life.Ok so walk back to the park and have fun.Stop this story u making lol!!Think Happines!There was a quote by somebody,"nobody can make you feel inferior unless you grant them permission".The song goes hakuna matata!Means no worry!
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 04:27 pm That was what I was telling you you the whole time: You can't trust these damn foreigners. Even the black ones. I was at Canada's Wonderland(theme park) at the weekend with the nieces and nephews when I see this very beautiful girl that looks like a Somali. So I ask her if she is Somali. She replied "You wish", and sucked her teeth, Jamaican-style and walked off. What do you make of that?
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| | Monday, July 10, 2000 - 07:06 pm xoogsallolol speechless..lol
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| | Tuesday, July 11, 2000 - 03:53 am 'Ello Do yu mind if I make a little statement..... I honestly don't see the point of you guys getting top of things that was ment to be done at out-doors. Spare the moment for other people to make their views on this issue, you can't be debating in groups of two's or three's... you take that stuff to chat rooms, instead of keep coming back to this forums over and over... Ok, here is the point.... Khalil, bro, stop playing with the sixteen year old girls, its not legal yet, whateva you have in mind. Sisters, I don't have anything to say to you, 'cause every Somali man gave up on women and their ethical issues, so.... go ahead and criticize me for telling you the truth... afterall, your motor mouths operates 24/7. Tah' Tah' Darlings!! SimplyMo
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| | Tuesday, July 11, 2000 - 01:48 pm To Simplymo....Well said brother.
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| | Tuesday, July 11, 2000 - 05:02 pm Basra; took it back? oh no! how can you be so mean to me?. I didn't know that you can be mean up to that point. Never mind. Hey about that black folks at the park, it was silly joke but i am glad that you didn't get it because it was not good one.! By the way are you sujui?. You sound like one!. Hey SimplyMo: you made me laugh man. What do you think i have in mind--to molest those illegal teens? ahahahaha. Don't worry man i swear I won't do that to them. I have little sisters, too. and i hate seeing any older guy taking advantage from any little girl. But look i thought those ones are grown ups. Basra told me she is late 20. Maybe she was lying, who knows? lol. i guess you know more than i do. And about discussion, everyone is welcomed . and it was only you guys didn't participate it. And i don't know why. khalil
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| | Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 02:34 am 'Ello Khalil, very aspiring comment, you can't cover-up things, that have already been exposed about you. So stop being the guide to this forums. We already have sisters who claim to be the little green ducks... Quack-Quack!, maybe they wished they could fly too, even if they think they can't.... Now, all together girls ~~ "I WISH I COULD FLY" ~~ ..... hahaha, that would be something to say for a change in the streets or at the park. I am here to save the time for you girls and tell you to slacken off a bit, so others can give up being deaf to your suggestions. Cheerio` simplymo
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| | Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 03:31 am Khalil No i'm not sujui.Hi anyway! Simplymo, Stay simple and mo -sense!
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| | Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 08:30 am I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack!!!1 Simplymo-i was under the impression that the reason there is a "discussion forums" was to debate and exchange ideas. As for khaliil playing with 16 year olds...that was a cheap shot so i won't even dignify it with an answer! BASRA-making it up darling??lol..i don't think so, it was as real and true as you and me..you don't live in the u.s.a or something? Khalil--I don't believe that i call everyone that agrees with me smart (if they do that often enough, i call them butt-kissers)...i don't recall you agreeing with me about this subject at hand, yet i liked the way you voiced your opinions with out insulting and berating (that is until you went all sexist on us!). . cha-cha
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| | Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 09:03 am Hi Khalil Not after reading angry sister did i scroll up and read that you are saying i am late 20's?And u say i told you so?So what do u call this new invented age determiner ?metro-agesism-barometer?.lol.I'm happily 22..ok! Hi angry sister yes i'm in the usa.Arlington virginia.Cool place.no racism.Harmonious air with baloons and happy faces.We have circus du soleil,every sundays at the mall and lots of tourism attraction.Musuems and art gallery spots,restaurants,cool university.(a student in virginia state university)...cool place.Hakuna matata!Gotta go back to work!Bye!
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| | Wednesday, July 12, 2000 - 11:37 pm spare me the No racist thing in virginia basra.
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| | Thursday, July 13, 2000 - 08:34 pm Hi basra: lol, hey thanks for the participation of the invention of the "metro-agesism-baromete' thing. Anyway, i am glad you get the message. But now here is SimplyMo with me asking if we can invent metro-namesism for searching names.lol. The guy is funny thought. And ones he said he can guess the rest of you --just throught imagination lol .can you believe that?. hey SimplyMo stop being sick, man . i know what you have in mind!. Angrysister: nice to see you again. ANd i hope you aren't angery anymore lol. khalil.
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| | Friday, July 14, 2000 - 02:18 am 'Ello my little waste-of-timers! You can't accuse me for interfering with your minor issues, I just happend to be the traffic-man without the gloves on. The truth is that on not a single serious comment was made about the title of this forums, "BIG PROBLEM". Everytime someone tries to turn on this issue, especially to the creator, angrysister, you fall flat on your faces. And, for the rest, like Khalil, Basra etc, the only response you made to this debate so far, was a string of cheap jokes and petty point-flirting. Its not exactly the modern way to discuss this topic, although it requires angrysisters, and tries to make us adapt to her way of saying things. So far, that was the case. In my opinion, all there is to this forums is, bunch of unguided amateurs...., and to be exact, 16 year old sisters, who reflect their life from Harry Potter novels. Thanks for allowing me to draw the line for yu! Ciao` simplymo
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| | Friday, July 14, 2000 - 06:44 am Simplymo Nothing wrong with Harry Porter,i love the book,and if you had a nice taste you will love it too.lol.and we not 16 ok.give us more credit than that cheap angle of defence.And petty flirting and cheap string of jokes?Whatever! I remmeber saying to you stay simple and make mo-sense.Your nick says it all!And if you can show a more embelished design of debate,you are mostly welcomed-except dont be a prosecutor be a simple -mo-and charm us!ok!!!!! hi Khaliil, Talk to this Nelson mandela (simply mo)- although i think hes an activisit -without a platform message,hes alittle irritating1..lol.Maybe you should pick him a cause to speak for.Like...obnoxious people's civil rights?he'll make them a great advocate! Where has xoogsade gone to?anyone watched the movie gone with the wind? Angrysister hi, did you go to the park?lol.
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| | Monday, July 17, 2000 - 02:51 am hello , people , well i don't know wat to say but u all are talented , too bad u didn't put it to good use , as for da matter at hand , well angrysis ,u could date a negro as long as he ain't no losser , n as for my personal opinion , a blackman in america is always gonna be a slave , four hundred years of physical n socioligical abuse by da aryans have made him believe dat he is (God forgive me for saying dis) sub-human ,i condone all sufferings they went through ,no human deserves that ,i don't blame a blackman for wat he has become today , years of oppression led him to dat stage , well as for a sister dating a blackman ,though i don't blame him for wat he is , i would however advise u to think twice before u go out with him ,i live in utica new york ,i have friends all over new york state, n i have seen da best n da worst in black people ,majority are in da lowest social class in da states ,nearly all of them lead unhealthly life sytle ranging from drugs to being addicted to da bottle (liqour) ,their idea of relationship translates into their rapid fast rythms of their rap scenerio ,in other words ,,in their eyes u r a piece of meat ,a biiaatch ,as they put it ,well yeah they are gunuine good ones but dat's one in a thousand ,if u wanna settle ur score for dat , good luck , n for black muslim may be u should make a little excursion to jamestown , new york or brooklyn ny city , than judge them ur self ,their Islam is corrupted by da likes of luis farrakhan and his predecessor mohammed elihaj who actually claimed prophethood , da most of da new black muslim converters believe in so many things that contradicts true Islam , they are highly influenced by da pakistani preachers dat preach all da wrong things , i lived in karachi pakistan , n Islam in pakistan branches out into several sects ranging shiite ,ahmedia, ismailia,etc ,people there worship saints n man of miracles , some even say da Prophet never existed , i have seen da same preachers in new york n other states preaching dis form of Islam to black people ,i went to African american wedding, i saw da bride wearing a red gown claiming it to be da traditional islamic wedding gown ,i tried to tell them dat was pakistani costom but they wouldn't listen ,anyway to wrap up , their Islam is also influenced by da uerocentric western ideology, i have seen a black bro named Kareem claiming a muslim and homosexual at da same time, i honestly didn't know wat to tell him ,i just watched n let it go ,in conclusion , their Islam revolves around luis farakhan followers , pakistani preacher followers n shockingly gay so called muslims , well sis if u don't believe it all , come down to utica ny n i will give personal tour all over new york state all da major cities albany , buffolo , rochester , syrecuse ,binghamton , new york city ,n let ur concsious ur senses be ur guide , well sis i gues u would say iam agianst them , no , iam not , wat ever i mentioned above is all true , well sis iam in a way bothered to see sisters running off with other men(all colors), it is sad ,wat's even more sad is watching them as they are being used for sexual purposes n than they get disposed by their non-somali patners , honestly i will be happy for somali gal to marry non-somali as long as she is treated rite , wat makes me write dis long massage is seeing young gals in minneopolis mn , colombus , ohio boston, ma , etc get terribly used n abused by non-somalis ,well angrysis , u r wiser n have capicity to control ur self but many sisters ,some who had their first'period' in america don't have da same mind frame , well iam sure u will make a better judgement , iam sorry if u might think i unfairly pick on da blacks ,i just trying to enlight da kind people they are ,it is not their fualt they turn like dat ,it isn't mine iether or yours ,but it is nice to know wat u r getting into , peace sis , i know it was long , p.s hay xoogsude , khallil , basra n u too sis u all are good ,maybe u should think about our beloved n lost i might add somalia ,discrimination injustices n sexism is there in somalia , maybe we should focus on dat first ,let's clean our backyard first ,i was 11 when da war broke out , i spend 5 yrs in asia n another in new york, it is no fun living in place where u r called a minority ,let's pray for our somalia ,
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| | Monday, July 17, 2000 - 10:29 am Hi Sami Somalia topic is boring.lol.I love my country but its just boring.maybe if there was a government,a media center,people interations and so on,but now,all somalia offers is distructions and ruins.Who needs that.Its too dull. Tea time!!!!!!
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 07:45 am In the name of allaah, the most beneficent, the most merciful. asalaamu alaykum my dear respected bro and bro.. to: angrysis sis don't be so angry sis, just "tawakal calalaah sis" if he is a muslim then ya don't have complain abut or ask for anybody why he does that.. we are all human-being and if we are the right path of alllaah we might say whatever we think it is given our desire like hebel married a black man or green or brown, and white sis.. it is when ya don't have any caqiida sis.. say it alhamdul lilaah rabil aalamiin sis and allaah gaide ya and urman sis aamin i agree 100% what bro coolman said asalaamu alaykum sis and bro
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 08:38 am i dont get it?First he says assaslamualleikum bro and bro...... Then he bids goodbye as bro and sis....i dont get it.? Is it supression of women or what?
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 02:35 pm Anonymous-..i don't understand it either..bro and bro??..won't you care to enlighten us bilaal? Sami- i understand where you are coming from and you seem well read and traveled, but still every race has it's bad side doesn't it??...I have a question to put to the rest of you,:you keep calling the afro-american "NEGRO", why?? and if you say that's what they are, i can't argue with you....but then aren't we "NEGROES" too>>, we certainly aren't caucasian, or mongolian!!!..to the rest of the world we are "NEGROES" as well..so why do we spit that word out as a form of insult to others?..for those of you who will argue that we aren't NEGROES, then pls tell me what we are??..what category do we fit under??and don't give me that whole crap about us being mixed and ••••..maybe we are mixed...but that doesn't answer my question..GIVE OUR RACE A NAME IF WE AREN'T NEGROES! angrysister
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 05:46 pm Angrysister: Racial, and for that matter any and all, classifications have little inherent value but that which we place in them. They are the result of social convenience and necesssity and different necessities are always producing different classifications some of them highly refined to a high level of abstraction such as those describing conduct, social and political outlook, philosophical and moral outlook etc. Names as a result are mere symbols and when a Somali says a negro he is establishing a necessary connection between the name and the people it symbolizes. If his audience is Somali they would readily understand the connection being made as being one referring to Black Americans. If he were to say "Afrikaan" the obvious reference is Bantu Africans(Nigeria, Cameroun etc). But if he were to use the same terms to a white man somewhere in Idaho, said white man would be very bewildered indeed because in his little world there is no way he could appreciate the differences that are real and exist between, for instance, Somalis and Black Americans(cultural, linguistic, religious). But a white person in, say, Toronto might very well appreciate these subtle differences. It brings to mind a comment made by a co-worker of mine who used to be a Social worker(she is verrry liberal) running a motel for new immigrants and refugees and where she had occasion to meet a lot of newly arrived Somali refugees staying at the motel. I was having coffee with her and another co-worker, a Camerounian, when she asked him where he is from and he told her. She then wondered why Somalis looked different from other "Africans", which kind of embarrassed me and the Camerounian. She then added that Somalis have a peculiar habit not shared by other Africans, according to her observation, of letting their women do all the work while the men lounged and idled about imperiously. In this respect she made a real distinction between Somalis and other Africans not merely in terms of physiognomy but also in their unique cultural habits vis-a-vis other Africans. The long and short of it is that we are Somalis and prefer to be classified and evaluated as such. But in reality we have no say in how others look at us and classify us. Someone might look at us from an Arab perspective, they might lump us with all Africans, they might classify us as east African muslims, they might think of us semi-Ethiopian. It is up to "them" who is doing the naming. In the same way African-Americans prefer to be called African-Americans. But who is to stop anybody from calling them black, Afro-Amercan, Negro, addoon, jareer or what have you. The outsider's choice of name however can be revealing. If I were to use terms like Negro or Jareer instead of African-American it would surely give me away as someone who is not very sympathetic to, or even hates, black Americans. Having said that I don't believe a lot Black Americans are losing sleep because of the way they are addressed by Somalis. Just as I don't lose any sleep in the way the world at large regards me as a Somali. KU FARAX AMA KA NAX I AM SOMALI. Hoyasho iyo hurdo wacan dhamaantiin
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 06:31 pm Angrysister....lollolol. Great question!What is the race of Somalis-if the idea of an address of Negro- is enitrely inadmissable!Personally speaking-if the question was addressed to me abaaay-i would naturally use my logic configuration.My arguements regarding the matter will purely be based on my common ground collection of thought,observations and evaluations.First the word Niger-is naturally defined -and i mean clinically defined as 'Person of black skin and origin of Black race.'This is indisputable.So my arguements would begin from the very essence of this defination.Surely your logics and conscience can back up a tiny light of discovery.Somalis are of Negro race.You can say we are coshites or nile or arab connection cousins or whatever -but the bottom basics lies this questions!Are you of Black Skin and Are you part of the Black race?The answer should not follow,annalysis or explanation.Yes or No,becomes apparent-IF-senseless arguementative is not part of your nature or agenda. Infact if it were not for the existance of slavery in America,the word,Nigger or Negro would have not even been a familiar term to the mainstream population-REALLY!Slavery has misused the words and harmed the meaning of negro into becoming a slogan dorogative term.Like the word fat-it only means overweight!But its almost impossible to use that word today.I once said that to my cousin,she had added some weight and i shouted across a room full of people and said,you are fat?I was sooooo-embarrased.Now i would just say -you've added a couple of pounds or u area plus size.So the word Negro-would have been another uncommonly used vocabulary as say....the word Zenith!It is a word meaning Highest point-rarely used as for example-Leo nardo di caprio has reached the Zenith of his fame.My Key directive is-to make you examine the word..'nigro'..as careful as possible-somalis are in essence negores.You can't say Bantu,or nigerian-might as well say -somalian-which only is RIGHT- but the afro americans could also be called-americans!See:its a question of nationality-ok so here comes a question-just popped now as i wrote this.Could negro be considered a race-since the disctionaly explains its an origin of black race or skin?Can someone answer that for me?My theory is,human tackle what is majority and always there is a prescident of names and solutions when it comes to a large population such as the existance of WHITE & BLACK!What about the middle east and asians,Japaneese?They neither White nor Black?What are they?And since black have the word negroid-what do white have?is there a name in the dictionary describing the white skin or race.Co-cassian comes to mind-but reluctant to equal it to the word Negro.Why-we go back right to my initial point.The word negro has been abused!Thanxxxxxxxx!back to my Life!Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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| | Tuesday, July 18, 2000 - 06:50 pm Basra--Thank you so very much!!...you answered my question, and i have to say i agree with you (even though i couldn't in a million years word it so intellectually!!1..i put my hands together for you on that!)I do beleive the word "negro" or "nigger" has been overused and abused,and it can mean several things depending on who says it and how they say it.For example my black friends (somali,and non-somali) call each other "nigger"..which is fine with both parties, but these same guys get very offended if any person that wasn't black used it!,and then if a white person used it to address a black person..then lo and BEHOOOOOOOOOLD!!!!!!!!!i won't even go into that. And then there is my definition for all of this, i think that the word "NEGRO" is a name for the black race, forget all the baggage, plain and simple. I would like more input on this topic though..h. Xoogsade-You're right, race SHOULDN'T matter, but it does. I've found it really ridiculous when ppl say "oh i don't notice the race or color of ppl"..i don't believe that, when you first meet a person you immediately start classifying them:male or female, black or white, skinny or fat. ..doesn't matter how much the west tries to make it sound unnatural and prejeduce..it all depends on how you react to this first classification. Any way ...everybodyelse..BRING IT ON BABY..i wanna hear it all!!!.
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| | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 01:58 am hi people ,the origins of the somali , well first of all , i have never seen an historical documents ,writings or facts dat state da somali to be a "negro", n no historical books both western n eastern dat names da somali to be "negro" , however we are part of da hamatic race which includes all humanity except da japh and semites(namely ueropeans,india, arabs , jewish ,amharic).hamatic race are subdiveded into da yellow man ,red man ,da black( all people of color), these sub-divisions are further divided , along da lines of these divisions , da somali n da negro are clearly placed in two different groups or categaroes ,da somali is of cushatic descent ,da cushites are group of tribes dat inhabit da eastern and northern parts of africa , their languages are different and unique and bears no resemblance to da languages of da negro , these tribes include da berbers of da north , da somali,da afar ,da people of da mali, da nubians of da sudan n egpyt and da old egytian tribes , they are nomads ,fierce , tall , slender n proud , they rule da sahara desert n lived along da banks of da nile ,also occupied da the rift valley of da horn ,they looked for posture n water for their herds ,they would fight and enslave who ever they capture ,it is da negro dat was enslaved , examples are mali where still people own people ,somalia was no exception ,da somali owned da people of negro descent (bantu)many were freed during da independence ,if u were alive in da 60's,u would probably seen a somali owning a negro , mostly in da shabelle , true, negroes are our brethen, n we did help in his enslavement ,i think u have da stories of kenadid shipping slaves into bari , da cushitic race is smaller(in numbers) than negro race ,da only thing we get in common with da negro is da color, dis is not a supposed theory but a fact , if a somali was indeed a negro ,why did he (somali) all of da sudden decided to dismiss his race?, n plz don't tell me there was a conflict(wars) ,there were n still are such conflicts in africa today ,though they divide themselves into tribes ,they still see themselves as negroes(unit),if there is ever a war between somalia n kenya , iam sure dat negro africa will throw it's support behind kenya ,plz don't ask why they would do so? i think da answer is pretty clear ,race of coarse , people like mandela advocate for negro dominated africa ,funny he never mentions somalia , even though we supported south africa during da aperthied ,so plz sisters don't intentionally blind ur self , i lived with africans in pakistan ,to them i was an outsider , some even resented looking at me ,i have seen black people in new york n other places, they have da same attitude ,my blacks friends say to me n i qoute "u are not our home boy", so i don't really see da point in calling my self a negro , first i wasn't born into it n secondly they won't accept me , beleive me i have seen and experienced dat ,to them iam SOMALI .period , funny thing i used to think whites are da only racists ,but i found racism is two way thing ,anyway to conclude da somali is cushite, i would be glad if u give any article dat proves ur theory ,Even da Bible, (chapter genesis) distinguish da negro from da rest of Africa's inhabitants ,by da way i read da bible from black churches ,my point is dat there are no books(historical , religious ,oral history ,) dat connects da somali n da negro as being one ,somali is somali n negro is negro , well angrysis , about da sisters dating non-somalis ,well i siad before i don't personally mind it,however i will be disappointed to see losing educated sisters like you to other men(all colors),a educated sister is special to me not coz i wanna her to help me to earn da bread but coz i beleive an educated sister can be catalyst for change ,an educated sister can bring up well disciplined ,educated n understanding family, luckly i found my match n i do love her n she loves me too,we are both waiting to finish collage ,i hate to imagine loosing my collage educated fiance (da woman i love)to another man , sis ur question was why somali men get pissed when they see a sister dating non-somali , plz put dat very question to any man from any race n see how they react , Basra n angrysis agian , u seem to be advocating for equality n respect for humanity ,i do feel dat,it is real nice ,how about if we starts at home advocating for da midgaan , da somali jareer ,n other minorities in somalia ,it is unfortunate dat these people can't marry their own kind ,coz they are as seen inferior ,by da sister u seem to be forgetting dat we are foriegners in da west ,n african americans consider us as foriegners ,they don't see as being one of them ,it is hard to fit in , believe i tried n tried to fit in with them , i tried till i was forced to give up ,i don't know it might be easier for somali gals to fit in their world but atleast i didn't succeed ,n indeed i was discriminated by african american n africans alike , coz iam somali , p.s i read da bible as part my class assigment for anthropology in da last spring semester , i wanna just clear dat da assigment was da orogins of mankind ,by da way my arguments are well reseached ,they aren't mere assumption ,
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| | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 02:12 am well said sami..we r not african-americans lets stop acting like them cause they donat accept us we r who we r(somalis)afro-americans and other africans dont view us as an equil to them infact some of them hate us because we look different an african-american co-worker of mine asked me once why we somalis look different from other africans i.e west africans he was amazed just because of my straight hair texture and the shape of my sall nose. what a world
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| | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 02:37 am one more thing , being in da same race doesn't necesserly mean brotherhood ,da hindus n da english are both aryan races , i dought these will ever settle together as aryans ,da arabs , jews n amharic ethopia are semites(decesdents of prophet of Abraham "Nabi Ibrahim"),they will be luckly if they coexist together ,da somali n da negro both hamitic origin will never share da same destiny , u see , da races i mentioned are related but each race has it's own culture , religion , n langauge , hindus n da english are aryans , but da english would call himself an englishmen than aryan man , he would rather talk about da mark his race left on dis world than about aryans in general , same way hindus would rather talk hindu achievements(their long well documented history),same goes for da arabs , jewish n amharic ethopia , so da somali n da negro are no different , we somalis have our own lan , religion ,n culture n they have their things , u asked wat should we call our selves? da answer is somali
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| | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 02:56 am brothermo let's call our selves somali american just like there is korean american ,cuban american, all these are immigrants like us n they still keep their indentity ,a korean a chinese look da same to me n iam sure they look da same to da white man ,but still da two don't interact ,each represents his own idealogy , we are black doesn't mean we should abonden our idealogy n join other blacks who actually resents us coz we look different, last note , we should not however use our uniqueness as way to prompt hate agianst other races ,our uniqueness is gift of God n be used in da rite way ,never despise or hate others , have respect n tolerance for human beings , at da same know ur place in da world , chill , peace
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| | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 08:32 am Sami-...you know what??.i need some time to digest all that!!..i have to say you are well researched,and if i challenged you right now i would seem very ignorant and unresearched, so i think i'll hold my peace!
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| | Monday, July 24, 2000 - 05:38 pm Woow..ya'll seem like pple who know their stuff well and know what the hell they're talking about. But let me put my two scence into this...back to the original topic... Angerysister you did deffend your topic well eventhough you scared off few brother..and I agree with you to some degree. I believe that none can judge someone else's actions or who they choose to be with except the All mighty(Allah). The only right you have over someone else is to offer them advise and teach them the little you know(wheather they like it or not). In my experience I've dated many races including Somali's. I did it because to satisfy my own curiousty of what it would be like..you know how that is. But I always knew I'll end up with Somali guy and I want my kids to be full blooded Somali's just like my parents and their grandparents. Life is short and you should do whatever makes you happy but nevertheless be true to who you are and don't let your culture be defeated and be taken over by someone else's and we should hold on to our roots justlike our mother and grandmother did so we can tell our children all those beautifull old stories we liked to hear when we're younger(dhagdheer and diin iyo dawaco) I met this Somali girl at a wedding and she was about to get married to white guy...you can tell by her body language she wasn't all that comfortable being with this white guy in Somali social gathering. The beauty of marrying your own kind is people will either hate you all or love you all...they won't wonder what one is doing with the other. I'm not putting down anybody's believes or opions but I think Somalian people look good together.
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