     SWEETIE | Wednesday, July 19, 2000 - 11:17 am
I have observed keenly on instABILITY IN SOMALI MARRIAGE, AND ONE OF THE MOST COMMON PROBLEM IS ,MEN DONT WANT TO PAY FOR CHILD SUPPORT HENCE CALL THEIR OWN BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN- BUSTARDS CAN ANY SOMALI MAN EXPLAIN ME WHY? |
| Somali Attorney | Thursday, July 20, 2000 - 08:32 am
Sweetie - I think you are divorced by a very old, uneducated, Qhat jewing, new immigrant Somali man.
Just one advice:
All somali men are not like your loser husband. |
| MasterP | Friday, July 21, 2000 - 12:13 pm
Somali attorney dont jump the gun here, Sweetie raised up a good point. It is very sensitive I know but its the reality of the situation. Men who make their wives go through this indignity are the problem. Sounds like this one rubbed you the wrong way bro. |
| Somali Attorney | Saturday, July 22, 2000 - 11:15 am
MasterP:
What rubbed me the wrong way is not the problem but the wording:)
What bugs me the most is when some frustrated women come here and diss Somali guys from every corner. Every Somali guy I know is struggling hard just to make ends meet and so many of our ladies have no respect for us because of their personal experiences with a very few Somali men. Ladies, choose your men wisely or stop whining afterwards.
I saw another woman who was saying SOMALIS GET MARRIED FOR THE WRONG IDEA!" in another thread and now, Somali men cannot take care of their families!
Somali guys are lagging other ethnic groups beacuse not only that we are the first generation in these countries but many of our ladies are divided into 2 categories: Those wanna be white chicks who bad mouth Somali guys with everything from our physical look to the bedroom matters; and those uneducated phone addicted who think that it is only the man's responsibilty to raise a family financially.
I never came across a Somali lady who falls between these extremes. These two groups have one thing in common: Somali guys are losers! After many chat sessions and bulletin board messages, I started to lose interest in Somali ladies to a point where I see and treat them as guys.
I never saw women who hate their men as much as Somali women hate us! what the heck have we done wrong to be punished like this.
To the issue at hand:
I don't believe that ONLY men should be responsible financially. Yes, women should buy Denim and work hard beside their men. They should also think about the financial burden associated with having a big family.
Why should any woman go to welfare when she can work many hours? |
| Anonymous | Sunday, July 23, 2000 - 12:51 am
SWEETIE,
BADAR IYO BAJIINO,AYAA LA ISKU YIRAAHDAA. |
| Aliyow | Monday, July 24, 2000 - 06:06 am
Cajiib shiikhoow, meeshaa aragto nin soomaalaa lagu karbaashaa! laakin way saxsanyihiin sababtoo ah anagaa waddankeenii cunnay caruurteenii iyo dumarkeeniina u soo horseednay wadamo gaalo.
Aliyow |
| Mudane | Saturday, August 05, 2000 - 07:12 am
Somali Attorney: Well done! It is time we tell our women to slow down a bit. |
| Alipapa | Saturday, August 05, 2000 - 09:07 pm
Somali Attorney;
Man i can't agree you more. You hit the nail on the head. I guess it is about time that somali men have a second thought. You pointed out two good points.
1-somali women bad mouthing everywhere.
2-Women who don'twant to work to earn descent living yet demanding too much. Look they are not asking you to feed her and the family but also her family which i don't why we do it.
And also i agree with you the two categories. I think it is about time we let those idiots to see the world and how it works. I Have many friends that married to non-somalis and i swear i hardly see any somali who diforced his frogien wife.
One time i was having conversation a middle aged Ethopian Muslim women. She told me she is looking for muslim man especialy somali one.
I asked her why somali why not Ethopian and this is what she said."in Ethopia the best men are Amharas but the problem is they are controling freaks and abusive like my former husband . he used to beat me up.".
"beat you up? why don't let dial 911?"I asked surprisingly. "it unislamic. As muslim woman, I shouldn't be doing that. we don't that".
I said "ok, and do you think somali men aren't controling freaks nor abusives?".
She burst into laugh and guess what she said?. I swear she said" in somali culture, in fact is the opposit. Women abuse men".
She said " for instance. i have a somali family as a neighbour. The man is cabie and woman stay at home. And they usually argue. And it is the woman that alwyas harrasses her husband. and the worst of all, she always brags about what she does to him.When we hanging out together".
Thus, i do agree with you we don't have womens.It is not only that incident i swear i can go on three consequtive day just telling how much i observed how are victim to out fucking culture where women get free ride for everything yet demands like queens and bugs their poor new immigrant husbands who have all those odds against them.
Thanks for the piece man. I am glad that we are finnaly realizing our problem and coming to new era.
Alipapa |
| Durgal | Sunday, August 06, 2000 - 05:05 pm
Sweetie
According to a thirteenth Century great Sufi master, Imam Gazzali, the journey of man in this world may be dived into four stages-the sensuous, the exprimental, the instinctive, and the rational. It is my undestanding than that man can have serious relationship with another person,including marriage only when he is in the rational stage. In this stage he knows what his resposibilties are and he takes it with a great pride and smile. I think a lot men and certaily those in Canada seem to find themselves in other stages. I am not suggesting it is bad to be in those stages,but it is not wise to take additional responsibility when you can not manage your own. I really feel sorry for the canadian somali women. |
| Durgal | Sunday, August 06, 2000 - 05:51 pm
Somali Attorney,Alipapa, Mudane
People get marry for different reasons, but there are some basic rules when somebody wants to get married.Islamic religion says it, Somali culture says it, common sense agrees it. " THE ART OF DATING" is one of them. Are you guy telling me that most somali women have become unbearable since the wedding. I have difficult time buying that. Either some way down the line the concept of dating for marriage were confused with lust and phony attraction, or either parties were not too careful about the whole process. Either way it seems a basic screw up. For those who want to get married this could be a perfect advice. First, look the character, see if she is reasonable some body you could discuss things with listens to you not the neighbor.For women see if he is rational and understands his role as father. Those who are already in it, Western imitation is not good way because they have the highest rate of divorce on the planet. Go back to the basics of Islam and learn together what is that is required a muslim husband or wife, in the institution of marriage. I can refer to you classic books with no cost. |
| somalisister | Sunday, August 06, 2000 - 07:14 pm
somali attorney, and all those others that accuse somali women of hating them and bad mouthing them.---first of all i want to say to you guys that i don't think sweetie bad mouthed anybody, i think she merely stated a fact of life she sees in the west. I myself have observed what she is talking about--(don't make yourself feel better by telling me that i have a loser husband , because i ain't married and probably won't be for a VERY long time)...anyway getting back to the point, I live in Minnesota..and you can't throw a PIN without hitting a so called "somali single mother that is on welfare and supposedly has children with a boy friend every year"..when the fact is that she is HONORABLY married but her husband doesn't want to take the responsibility of raising children, so gets her into the welfare system. Yes i know this same lady can work, but tell me how can she work when she is either pregnant or just had a baby????..how can she work when she is just new to the west and has about 6 kids running after her?????....worse yet husbands do not give up their marriage rights, infact they still want to find her home when he comes from whereever he's been, he still wants hot food on the table, he still wants to share her bed, he still wants her to do whatever he says and follow his orders...the question arises ..WHY SHOULD SHE DO ALL THIS STUFF FOR HIM??....she's the one that is forced to compromise her dignity by supposedly bearing illegitimate children, she's the one that has to bear the humility of shopping with food stamps, she's the one that is held responsible for the rebellious teenager she might have,she's the one that has to get in a long line for public housing...SO maybe she needs to feel human with dignity again...you guys complain about why she calls 911 all the time..did you you ever think that maybe because you have no right to come into HER house, eat HER food ..and start ordering her around???..you have no right to make marriage demands on her...and if you do get in an argument and she asks you to leave HER house and you refuse, why shouldn't she call the police???..maybe she needs to cling to what little dignity she has????did you ever think that maybe if you kept your responsibility as a husband and father she wouldn't call 911???and make the police take you out of YOUR house???.
That's all i have to say for now, but i wanna tell you guys that HATE is a strong word...and i know that i will be attacked and insulted but it's worth it..cause to tell you the truth i don't HATE somali brothers, infact i'm looking forward to marrying one in the future when i'm done chasing my dreams (if i live that long),and i hope that he will have respect for himself , cause you can have respect for others when you respect yourself first.
i'm out!
somalisister |
| Xoogsade | Sunday, August 06, 2000 - 09:06 pm
Gentlemen let us try to be patient with the ladies. A broad back and a thick skin is what is needed to put up with their nonsense. They are called women for a reason after all. |
| somalisister | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 10:32 am
LOL XOOGSADE---What was that???..couldn't you just debate normally without insulting???..or you couldn't prove me wrong???..yes we are called woman for a reason----same reason you guys are called men. I am very proud to be a woman...in particular a somali woman...you know why???i am admired for my outspokeness, my abilty to debate, and my not being a professional butt kisser to men, i can debate with a man and if he has the upper hand i don't excuse him with a "oh he's just a man, what would he know", just because he put me in a tight spot...you know what i mean xoogsade???????....you wouldn't would you???.... let me ask you something xoogsade: what are you proud of as a man????..have you done something not expected of you???..have you kept the responsibility that has come with being a man???..and then have you tried to do a women's responsibilty even though society might shun you for it????..or do you think looking down on women even though you might be the most ignorant bastard around comes with being a man????..let me tell you something....i have done for society what was expected of me as a woman---i have cooked for men who think that i owe it to them to cook, and took me for granted, i have made their beds, washed their clothes, i have changed diapers and quieted crying babies, and then i sat like some pretty painting so that so called "men" can admire my outer beauty and let them think that there was nobody home upstairs.....and then you know what xoogsade???i went to highschool, enrolled in college, got higher or equal scores to the men in my class, and look forward to going to medical school in two years------I REPEAT XOOGSADE: WHAT PRIDE BESTALLED TO YOU GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO LOOK DOWN ON ME????WHAT DO YOU HAVE THAT I DON'T????...is it because that you MIGHT be physically stronger????..well i have my own physical strength and can be very cunning if i can't challenge you otherwise (you DO know what i mean by that don't you?)......
XOOGSADE WHAT MAKES YOU BETTER THAN ME???
SOMALISISTER!
p.s if you are about to tell me that i owed it to those men to cook and clean for them becuase they took care of me, you are very wrong because no man ever took care of me, not my father, not my uncles and certainly NOT my baby brother..i was raised by woman ..MY MOTHER..She is the one that refused to throw me aside when my father decided he was leaving to chase his dreams, SHE is the one that fed me, bathed me, paid my doctor's bills ..so where i am today I OWE TO NO MAN! |
| Caraweelo | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 10:49 am
YES! YES! YES! to SOMALISISTER! What a WOMAN!
To the other "men"-
This is not a difficult concept to grasp. But maybe we expect to much from you.....
Let me try to simplify.
A definition of a husband is someone who provides for his family.
We all know that most husbands in Canada are not providing for their families.- Are you with me?
It is also true that most somali families (translate: women and children)in Canada depend on their welfare checks.- Following the logic?
So, as a result- we can comfortably say that most somali husbands in canada- are not woman enough to take care of their family!
Do you NOW get it. No need to attack the sisters for pointing out the obvious. |
| bootaan. | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 11:51 am
Somali women took advantage of the privilleges offered to them by islam and somali culture. They contribute nothing, compete without substance, ruin without much thought, demand unreasonably, impress other men(by dressing nice only when going out and stink when around home). I know for a fact that somaliwomen got too much break when I see an american pregnant woman(nine month pre) working hard to earn a living. It is time to pay up or shut up. |
| Somali Attorney | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 12:39 pm
SomaliSister:
We live in a freee society and no Somali woman gets pregnant without her consent. Every woman should think hard berofe she brings children to this world. You cannot blame men if Somali women in MN chose to carry babies every year.
I agree with you on the magnitude of the problem. But, I strongly disagree with you on who's to be blamed. You think that it is men's fault but you portrayed Somali women as sheep. How can any thinking person let another person control her to the point you mentioned.
I picked on Sweetie's comment because I strongly believe that women should be responsible for what goes in and out of their womb/between their legs.
Caraweelo: Somalisister ONLY showed how naive and un-thinking our ladies are.
Xoogsade: My ESL teacher once told us that God created Man and Woe-man - smaller and much complicated version of Man. He said that's where the word woman originated from. I didn't agree with him neither did I try to find out the origin of the word. |
| somalisister | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 01:41 pm
SOMALI attorney----lol, i did make it seem like these women were sheep didn't i????..that is to whoever wants to see it that way. I don't think everything is the men's fault, some of the blame does lie with the women--but you guys forget that WE as somali ppl don't even beleive in birth control!!!!!!1..and to add to that you choose to ignore the fact that SHE is the one earning the living isn't she??..she is the one feeding the her family isn't she????..so i regret saying that they are like sheep..infact they are born to NURTURE, and to this day they do!!!!!..they go to ESL classes so they can find work (in the meanwhile take welfare)..they have little bussinisses that they run from their homes!!...if you cared to stop by some somali shop you'll see that there is a woman behind the counter !!!!..you get my point somali attorney???
and verbally abusive language is very childish don't you think????..i can say nasty insulting thigs too you know???...but i hold myself above that!!!!
CARAWEELO--thank you for simplifying the facts to our VERY simple somali men---i'm afraid i gave them too large of a tablespoon of reality!!!
BOOTAAN--why should anyone work when they are 9 months pregnant??????...i doubt this american woman chose to work while pregnant..i think it was forced on her by a very insensitive very west society!!! |
| Dunya | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 03:42 pm
Two thumbs up to my somali sister and carweelo.
And to all the men who posted here, i sympathize with you and i agree with some of what you posted here, because its basically the reality.
But you should also be fair ...you pushed it too far. But there are two sides for every story.
I dont know whats happening in MN , but I myself admire single mothers here in toronto whom are taking welfare and not working for the sake of being there for their children whenever they come home and keep an eye on them, since they are in a very sensitive age.
If they were materialistic , they would have worked so hard and neglected their young ones, but they are mothers whom carry so much love and responsibilities.
Since our younger somali generation are in a great risk, from being influenced by other cultures.
As for the somali men, everyone has a different story. Not necessarily "911".
Somali men are known as being kind,caring and very leniant.Some are responsible and generous but there are some that dont deserve to be called men, they are all what somali sister said.Like i would say to Bootan, not every apple on a tree is rotten.
And hey .. a good husband knows how to change his wife to the better and behind every great man is a greater woman.
Somali attorney, do you know the rights of woman in islaam? We are not under any condition,forced to spend one penny on our family, but our husbands should. And i see justice in that.
For our prophet (csw) was full of wisdom and Allah is great.
What i see here is not a discussion but a war of sexes.
You are just trying to put eachother down and in reality, you still cant live without eachother.
Just learn to survive with eachother .. its not the survival of the fittest here, because again i say, you simply cant live without eachother.
Salaam . |
| WIIL | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 05:14 pm
Dunya, You are part of the battle and you sided with the sisters. Didn't you? |
| Xoogsade | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 05:38 pm
SomaliSister:
I never meant to suggest that women ae any less smart than men. It is just that you guys are too damn emotional. And you just proved it with your overwrought response. And an emotional person is a very dangerous person indeed, capable of anything. It is that sober, crucial second thought that is often missing in women.
Your postings are a microcosm of everything wrong with women in N America. They all have that strident and proprietary tone of "my house", "my stuff", "my children" to be enforced by social agencies and thuggish policemen only too eager to destroy the life of a black man. And the prize(booby prize?)? So she can triumphantly reign in her home provided by the never-troublesome absentee husband(The nanny state) whose checks are never late and never bounce.
And thus is the trap set for the credulous who are satisfied with so little in this land of prosperity. A lifetime of poverty ensues with the cycle viciously repeating with each generation.
What is the solution? As I have said we Somali men have to be patient, in a way that we have never been. And women have to realize that the only way to get ahead in this country is family unity. Grandmothers, fathers and mothers all pulling in the same direction. It is one of the exigencies of life in N America that both husband and wife must work in order to achieve minimum financial security. So they must both go to work. Grannies must share part of the load as far babysitting as well as providing the crucial service of teaching toddlers their native language and religion.
If the woman has limited skills and can't get a job what is wrong with pretending that she is single and collecting welfare. If this does not insult her dignity, she should do it. Doesn't make her kids illegitimate in no way, shape or form. Any money you can rob or steal from the infidel is god's bounty and munificence so enjoy it. In any case the evil white man will probably recoup it with eye-watering interest plundering some muslim country somewhere.
The example should always be those communities that are flourishing in N America. I speak of the Indians and Indhoyar who are outstripping the whites in every respect through family discipline and self-sacrifice.
By not sacrificing ourselves and allowing ourselves to be ruled by petty resentments we are dooming the future of our children. Selfishness has to be set aside. A great comforting loving family life has to be established for the children. Such life cannot be provided by a single mom no matter how hard she tries. She might eventually raise an intelligent and ambitious child like SomaliSister, but then again SomaliSister is groaning under the weight of that huge chip on her shoulder and is filled with bile and hatred towards men. In all likelihood she treats any goodwill towards men as a betrayal of her single mom in the same way that a child treats affection for a stepmom as a betrayal of his real mom.
If you think that Somali women are not selfish look at the way SomaliSister disagreeably itemizes all the things she has done for the men in her family. Is this a person familiar with duty and obligation. Unselfish love for others without expectation of reward. I doubt it. If I had to itemize all the things I have done for my female family members, never mind the whole family, SomaliNet would run out of storage space. Breaking the law even to reunite families and bring over widowed sisters, as so many Somalis had to do. But what is an infidel's law to me where family is concerned. |
| Alipapa | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 07:11 pm
Well;
What we 've here!. We 've all frustrated bitches and Freaking femininsts of the loose. Let me tell you all bitches up here trying to score some lousy points, you all have POINTS. Did you hear me? I said you 've points yet that is not the POINT. Each one of you bitches come up with some kind of twisted arguments just to fight back.
Somalisister; you bitch fighted a lot in this battle and i have to give you credit for that.
You have the most scary,pitched tone and you probably made all the bitching.
And the reason is you were raised up by single mom. It is fact that Somali women are emotionally instable and they are the worst when they are single mom. They hug their kids when they are emotionally up. Yell at and beat up, when they are emotionally down. And this leads to small kid to be in delima; "does mom angery today or does she ok?. Will she mad at me or not?.". The kid will be in delima all his/her life and doesn'tknow what to expect this fucked mom. This leads indecisive and emotionally traumized life later when he/she grew up. And that is why you so fucked up upto a point that went to tell us all your personal life like we give a damn.Who cares who here we only paintt the wall anyway?.
You said somali women are outspoken. Yes! you got it right on that one. But who granted for this outspokenness? does it ever occured to you it is somali men?. Does it ever occured you a somali woman has a power to ignite war of that leads thousand of men to barish?. For your info my father never forgive a person that wronged against my sisters in his life if that person wasn't a female at their age. I still remember how his face used to change when a teacher or macalin dugsi beats on his daughters. And what ever happens to us -boys, he never gave a damn!.And it is my believe that it is not only my father but every somali father that quality.Yes! we made you queens and hold you up o the sky.But now we have to pay the price.
so, yes you are outspoken and brave to attack us-somali men and sometimes start physical fight. And it is only somalia/somalis where you will see that happen.
You also proved to us you are so selfish --a typical somali woman. Why telling us all you did to your relative men? you telling us you cooked?huh? . that says everything about you.
Dunya; you only proved Bootaan's first point when you tried to run for Islam.read the first line of Bootan's. You are utmost capitalists who can try "sharci muslim iyo mid gaal" just to get what you want.Can be on one side-be Islam or be secular? why double standard?.
Carawelo;
how can an low income and somali immigrant man can make ends meet when he has 4 or 6 or more than that and his wife sitting at home and asking him every new "diric" and "dahab" on the market. And also bugging him to send bill to her family? .Your difintion of husband-the one you said has to provide all family needs got changed here on North America. And that is why every couple are working together to pay their bills and raise up thier kids. If you want that kind of man, go back to Africa or else find one that makes 60,000 and above. you only see stupid and housewife somali women sitting at home and demanding a lot. or comming here starting this kind of useless topics. And by the way why they papulate on the planet? to get more welfare? or it is Islam thing and they are on mission?i mean why they give birth like chickens?.
Alipapa |
| bootaan. | Monday, August 07, 2000 - 11:04 pm
Somalisister.
Given the choice of staying home and being provided she told me she would do it, but as it goes in this society, women do live in a faked, conditioned, male dominated society. They are told one thing and treated differently. These pitfalls could be a lesson for somali women. They could look at their surroundings and make a healthy choice. They have to understand how far they can go without co-operating with their somali men. But then again, there are those who thought to be civilized, they have to become unsomali in every sense; both looks and behavior. The learned among the somaliwomen are like males completely brain washed and the unlearned are mixno kale. I have yet to see a somali guy married telling me he is in heaven. You know, I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with these somali women?. I admit, there are somalimen who are losers in all aspects of life. But the thing is, why do the brightest of them and the worst of them have to complain from you guys all the time?. Somali women boast of their disrespect to their husbands.
Alipapa.
Bro, calm down a little. These ladies are giving their opinions about an important subject. Let us see who is reasoning and not disrespect each other. |
| kelli | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 04:18 am
because we don't wana slave for $3/hour while we could be very related with our friends eating chat.
Somali's are naturaly clever!!! they just wana live an easy life, know whatz wrong with that?? |
| Proud woman | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 04:42 am
The only bitch here is you Alipapa.. a male hoe may i add . |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 05:37 am
alipapa
sit down and have a hot cup of tea...you bloody freak!!. let the people with brains debate. you don't have anything to offer here other than insults.
it's no surprise that women had to Moan out here day in, day out cuz there are men like you out there. i feel sorry for the poor woman that deals with you, she really deserve all there sympathy in the world.
waa mid bakhtiyey,,,, bil fiiri siduu dumarka ula caytamayo......akhasu naas......uf |
| Caraweelo | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 05:40 am
The age old argument has been to always criticize the woman as an emotional basket case whenever she speaks the truth. It is an easy way out of a complex discussion. Put down your oponent before hearing what she has to say. Maybe it makes you feel better because you are afraid to read what she has to say.
True, we simplified the topic. But remember, that does not make the topic any less true. In other words, when making a general point, one simplifies to get their general thesis across. That does not mean that there are no exceptions to the rule. For example, the older gentlemen who do not speak the language are excluded from this category of "welfare-abusing" males. The sick, are also excluded. But any man who has the ability, ie. limbs and working mind, has no excuse. A man MUST provide for his family. What is his duty to provide? Basic shelter, food and basic clothing. It is his moral obligation to provide for his wife and children in the life that they are accustomed to. How can he do that if he does not have a "good" job? He should get "a not-so-good" job. Now does that mean that the woman should ask for whatever they desire? Of course not. Also it is my strong belief that a woman, if she is able, should also provide for her children. True that times are difficult, and that "making it" in this western society is near impossible. But these facts do not, should NOT, excuse 'lazy' behaviours and bad moral characters. Remember children do as they see not as they are told. If a parent abuses the system, taking welfare, when they can work for a living, and spends their day loafing about, the child will accept this behaviour as the norm. The child will believe that he/she too should not thrive to better themselves, should aspire to welfare, and expend minimal effort on achieving any goals. So to the writer who said that we should take "advantage" of the welfare system- take heed! You may lose more than you bargained for. |
| Somali Attorney | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 05:58 am
Ailipapa/Proud woman:
Please do not derail this heated debate into flames and name calling.
Dunya:
Let me come out of the guy's camp and agree with you on one thing.
You said:
________________________________
Just learn to survive with eachother .. its not the survival of the fittest here, because again i say, you simply cant live without eachother.
_______________________________
The question is how? |
| Dunya | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 08:21 am
Solution for this problem ?...commin up somali attorney. |
| Hebel..mmmmm....I SMELL | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 08:36 am
You sick! |
| somalisister | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 09:27 am
Alipapa-lol, in insulting us you only disgraced yourself...and i do beleive it is very disrespectful to insult one's mother, but hey, how can i blame you :"meesha bukto iyo fartaa is og !!"
Caraweelo-nice points, i agree with you on there being exceptions
Somaliattorney:i don't know what to say to you, i have to say you are right that in the west both partners have to work in order to succeed...i was just arguing against the point that you said that somali women HATE somali men...i will never, ever, believe that!!!..yes we got issues, but we have managed to live with it for years with out killing each other, And imagine if somali men and women got along beautifully??????....i don't know about you but a little contraversy is needed to spice things up. I agree with some of the guys here that as somali women we do have more priveliges than women in most countries---the ethiopian and ereterian women for example are the most passive, submissive i have ever encountered, and then there are the arab women who are taught at an early age that men are their saviors, and then the western women fighting for equality all her life yet digging herself a bigger hole to fall in!!..so yes, i do think that we as somali women are priveliged...but till the comment "maxeey ogtahay waa gabaree".and "wixii xunba xaawaa leh" stop, i think we have alot to work on...look back on this discussion ppl and count how many guys have brushed us off with "they are women"..until that stops, or maybe until my daughters don't hear those above comments from anyone..i have my work cut out for me!
I remember an arab guy i used to go to school with said that "somali women debate and argue like men"...tell me though how come all the good things that have to do with intellect our society associates with men????
XOOGSADE;;sit down, go back to reading your dictionary..and come back to me when you have found a different series of words to put together for me..for once xoogsade talk normal english????? |
| Alipapa | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 05:43 pm
Bootaan and Somali Attorney;
you two bastards need to go back to your motherfucking parents to teach you how to behave!.
Did they tell you, you are suppose to impose others on your intrusive manners?. Then, Why is it in the world that make you two bastards think you can tell me how to behave?. Is that what two of your so-called parents told you?.
Well, i guess then it is time you guys realize Alipapa is grown up and he knows what he is doing. Not to mention, he read the site's policy, its rules and regulations. It is time you two morons and likes know social dictatorship is not the way.And telling others how to behave is civil crime. And it is totally against civilization of mankind.
How you two knuckle heads dare to tell me what to write or what not to write?.Do you think quoting what you wrote makes me i am misbeahving and you are obliged to teach me manners?.
Well bastards,It just happened,I am just sidding with you in this discussion. And that doesn't make us related to each other. Nor does it make you feel ashamed of what i wrote down on this wall. I take full responsiblity of any damage i am done. and two of your jackasses are not liable for my actions.
Distance from me as far as you can but don't fucking try to tell me how to behave anotehr time.period!
Carawelo;
You bitch made laugh big time. What is this fucking generalization and all-size-fit idea?.I was expecting come up at least points. and all come up was taking welfare you will lose a lot.!
SomaliSister;
disgarce? like i am expecting one from you!. Bitch! you need your head checked. What took me as urprise is from your last posting you started with laughing and then you started reasoning. Too bad! it is only when you were hammered down from evey corner that your traumized brain started ticking--functioning.
I would have said to you drop that crap and concockted-negative stories that your emotionally fucked up mom told you about your father .And try to find the reason that forced to your father take off!. One think i can imagine is like any somali man, Of course, he was great believer of "if you couldn't take it, take off" and that is why sailed to highly stormed sea in the middle of the night.Gone for good no turning back!. It is all your mom's fault--the big bitch. She is typical animal like all somali women!And to tell you the truth, you being the little bitch are not probably making any good marriage. I am not just cursing i swear. It is you are the product of that fucked up mom. Did you ever hear "like mom like daughter". You mom was luckier than you . At least she was married a year and half. But you little bitch are in trouble. May God help you. With that mentality i don't think there will be a man for you unless he is one made impotent and dragged into a mad who turned to be idiot and gave in all his manhood to you. keep on bitching that scary pitched tone!
Alipapa |
| Dunya | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:02 pm
I dont blame your father for abandoning you , he sure had a good reason.
You are mentally unstable ... does that hurt.
I sure just scanned through your comment and i realized its giving me more sins just reading it.
Unfortunaltey you earned yourself a place in my ignore list, have fun being there . |
| somali Attorney | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:04 pm
Alipapa thanx for the compliment! Happy now? I rest my case with you. I hope Bootaan will do the same.
The rest of the group:
I will catch up with you real soon. |
| Xoogsade | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:18 pm
Ahh, what have we here? A full-fledged gender war or is it just a skirmish?
AliPapa:
You are one angry dude. What happened man? War waaku sidee ninyoow. War belo kuguma dhacdee sida ka daa. Dumarku markay kibraan faras-caddaha waa laga dejiyaa anaana kugu raacsan, laakiin ninyow waad ku talax tagtaye sida inoo dhaan. Gabdhahana haynaga didin aynu la haasawnee.
Now ladies where was I. Ahh yes my solution. Yes very simple in the words of the great black philosopher and social critic Rodney King: Can't we all just get along!!!!!
I mean come on, all we are doing is cutting off our noses to spite our faces.
Caraweelo: Where are all these welfare-collecting guys you talk about. Maybe in recession days but there is no guy in Canada collecting welfare. Heck, they are trying to cut off the single mothers, this conservative regime we have here. There are some guys on the dole with mental problems(Unhappily, there are too many Somali brothers in this situation).
And if you are talking about guys who are so hopeless that they have absolutely no income and who still want to get their greedy hands on the small welfare stipend given to the family, well you just tell me where I can find these slack-jawed morons so I can personally lay a big hurtin' on them.
This is against every tenet and precept that I know of governing the honourable conduct of the Somali man. For your consideration I will submit this extract from one of the poems of Sayidii(god rest his soul, I consider the great man's poetic legacy my philosophical and, dare I say moral, touchstone):
Nin ragaa hammiya, caalle waa hogashadiisiiye
Haydaarto meeshii leh waa laga huleelaaye
Waa lagu hirtaa meel haddii halabo kuu taalle
I don't know where these men are you have come across but they seem like an alien species to me. But after all the things that I have heard about and witnessed in the west it does not seem that far-fetched that there are men who are willing to neglect their families thus.
But what of the overwhelming majority of Somali men who are working themselves into the ground but who walk around with this hunted and desperate look on their faces, reciting a daily litany of woe. I have never felt any sympathy for them, considering them to be grieving, self-pitying nitwits. Now I am not so sure. I haven't seen any ladies addressing the travails of this particular species of man. Any ideas, ladies? Maybe AliPapa is one of them. I think one lady should volunteer and you know open sesame, and maybe he will calm down.
PS:
The kids will not go astray if things are explained to them: That we are screwing the white man the way he has done since he first set out of Europe with his pasty face. They will take to this kind of militancy like a duck to water no matter what their economic situation. I should know cause I teach it to my nieces and nephews and they eagerly lap it up. I will do the same thing when I have mini Xoogsades and Xoogsatos. |
| somalisister | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:30 pm
Alipapa- are you happy now?????...i just realized that i want you on the top of my ignore list..so i hope you enjoy your stay there!
I don't know about the rest of you---somali attorney, caraweelo, dunya----but i just lost complete taste and interest for this topic, it was a nice debate while it lasted.
Caraweelo--i look forward to running into you in future discussions.
peace out
somalisister |
| Alipapa | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 09:17 pm
Yo! all bastards;
Happy?. Well, you, born bastards hardly, know me i swear. Do You bastards think it makes any difference to me if you ignore me or not?.Well, let's see if that can stop me hammering those frustrated bitches and those morons whose fucking parents didn't teach them how to behave.
The sings of weak people is known to fight collectively. they can't fight individually. This fucking culture of collective thinking is the one that makes us cowards who can't do anything individually. Well what do i mean by that;?
To explain you since you all born idiots let me show you how weak you are;
bastard Somali Attorney wrote
"I rest my case with you. I hope Bootaan will do the same." Well what does that mean?. It means he is sending message to his cousin Bootaan to ignore me as well. huhuhhuhuhu! this weak bastard can't make his mind alone as a man!. It is same collective mentality that he was expecting me when he was teaching me manners.
And little bitch,of course somali girl wrote";
"I don't know about the rest of you---somali attorney, caraweelo, dunya----but i just lost complete taste and interest for this topic, it was a nice debate while it lasted." huhuhhuhuhu well isn't it same message ? isn't the art of "manipulating others" that is known to somali animals-women. She wants to tell others let's stop the topic. Why she doesn't go if she is not interested ing? why she is naming every bastard in the thread and influincing him/her to call the topic? well, isn't a part of collective thinking that is known of weaks and followers.
Well, bastards, alipapa cares no bastard's fucked up opinion. he is here to teach you the thruth and only truth. The more you ignore the better. he will be writing and commenting your stupidy as long as you here.
Xoogsade: i tell you before you are just handcap and virgin who is about 40 yrs of age.keep on beging those bitches.And let themt drag you to the mud.Moron you go to be stoping sucking up those animals.
Alipapa |
| Sabaax | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 01:46 am
guys alipapa is just teenager yaan loo jawaabina
kaligiis ha iska caaytamo |
| Dunya | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 05:34 am
Sabaax .. maan i thought i heard something.
Thanx for confirming its nothing but a fly.
;-) |
| Michigan | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 07:12 am
u r all teenagers...........pukhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| ibraahim | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 10:02 am
respect the somalisister dude!!!!!!
she is right for this debate.
be enough man to your family,
or leave our beloved somali girls alone.
welfareman has no place in the family world.
salaam. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 10:35 am
Ibraahim is a female.
wwwwwwwwaaaaaarrraaaaaarrrrraaaaaacccc.
i got her # |
| Dunya | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 10:40 am
I am not in the sister's camp and neither am i in the men's camp ... i am like switzerland in the world war ...NEUTRAL. Therefore, you better hear me out , cause i will not favour anyone here .
The first step in finding a solution is to recognize the problem and so far so good. Everyone of the you stated the problem with the other and i analyzed it.
Now you wanna hear my solution somali attorney ...well here it goes bro .
First, you need to understand the BASICS and from here you will see your self flowing in a very good relationship before all this discussion about deep social issues ( welfare/ dahab /diric /empolyment/and pregnant woman )..because you look like you forgot it ,thats why our somali marriage life is deteriorating.If you get this loud and clear , then you just found the solution. Each and every one of our cells is implanted with difference.Difference themselves are important and its fixed in God's creation.We are more like 2 pillars, both as equally high , but different, if one pillar bends to match the other in its equality (content wise), it will collapse . You men should understand that God created woman from the most sensitive part of adam's rib cage called ( dilc adam). Therefore we are emotional , sensitive , sentimental , intelligent and most importantly we are not MEN. We are soft-hearted, loving and very strong at the same time.
We have inner patience and it comes from child birth, thats why frustratioin and quick anger is a common thing in us females.We tend to take care of children and you think thats easy. I myself couldnt handle my little brothers when i was given that task , i was about to put them for adoption if they werent my siblings and i wondered how mother put up with us :-). But seriously , a man wouldn’t handle that task and if they try, it will be chaos causes they cant fulfill that emotional gap that a mother tends to fill. We sexes are not different in intellect but in emotions thats why you see that present woman can achieve high positions but still men are given the right to divorce a woman in Islam , if it was given to a woman , it would have been a chaos. And you know that. Imagine how many time she would throw divorce in a day. MY GOODNESS.
God created you men physically tough , intelligent . You carry your own tasks in life, there are tasks that a woman can’t handle because there is difference in physique and mental capability. You think pregnant woman can work ..plzzzz .. try and tie a balling ball on your belly and see if you can walk , sleep or even work ..lolol....and don’t tell me that we are living in the 21century bull ... because life never changed us, we are still the same, as God created adam and eve from the beginning of creation.
You men have so many privileges, being the strong dominant figure in your family and the ability to be and change anyone around you ...including your wife and children. And the woman can do the same because simply we have the wit and tears ;-) and you men have the charisma and the self confidence.
You men are easily led and quickly aroused. In schools ... don’t you see that most aggressive students (like ALI PAPA) respect tough teachers and disrespect the ones that show how weak they are. A good captain knows how to sail his ship and a good manager knows how to keep his company successful. So why don’t you USE IT FOR A CHANGE.
Allah gave you so many tasks and Somalis tend to forget and follow what gaalada do by thinking that the law of the government is above Gods laws and later complain.
And same goes to the woman, who watch perfect lives on TV , looking at what other woman have and DO trying so hard to fulfill those needs, thinking they will be satisfied. You will never be satisfied cause you will keep on looking for the best. The prophet (c.s.w) said " Never look at what other people have ,for you will never be content with anything you have in your hands ". Therefore, say alhamdulilah for anything and look at the people below you who have nothing , for you will then be content then.
I came from the middle east and i hardly saw divorced Somalis there , you know why , don’t tell me Arabs abuse their wives and Somalis do the same, NO , because they both plan hard for the marriage NOT the wedding ceremony like they do here in the west. Goodness i was shocked that i guy who works in 711 can a afford a lavish wedding. Like i said ... PLAN FOR A SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE that will extend a lifetime NOT A LAVISH WEDDING that will extend till the next morning .I wont generalize and say there are no lavish wedding back there , but at least they have the knowledge and they respect the laws if Islam that abides by them in that country. I NEVER HEARD OF A WOMAN CALLING 911 .... and you know why ..because its unthinkable and i wouldn’t comprehend it... a mad woman would do that and i believe they do that because they have a good reason ....and most of the time they DONT but they are only out of control and when we are angry we sometime cant think. You can do something when they are out of control and one of then is hitting them but not necessarily abuse . I will state how it should be done below.
Okay ,., hear the privileges you have in Islam and if you think it doesn’t apply to our lives today ..think again. So to Botaan , do you think i abuse my rights in Islam, well ... at least i am using it and i am getting xasanad for it . ;-) Anyway .... this is how your marriage life should be based upon ..
In marriage men and woman are to be garment , men are senior partners and in the Quran says he has a rank or degree over his wife and i agree 100%. " al rijaal qawamoon calal nisa'a ".They are the Chairmanship of the family BUT , in Muslim law a man is obliged to maintain his wife in all aspects and thats his responsibility regardless how wealthy his woman is and because of that obligation , he becomes the chairman.
How fair is that ? It’s like being the manager and having great responsibilities and at the same time you have the authority.
What about if both provide the family's income ( like many of you here want your wives to do) well our prophet (c.s.w)'s first wife was older and richer , and she supported him when he (c.s.w) couldnt trade because he was having a difficult time spreading Islam. She was compassionate and supporting ..what a great woman ( r .a.c) .
You men think that if your woman has a higher education or money she would be looking down on you ?well think again and don’t let the shaytaan play on you. She might be different and you just don’t see it.
Men should help their woman at all times. The prophet( c.s.w) helped his wife, swept the floor, mended clothes and his sandals . Help them raise your children for it’s not an easy task .... many somali men think their job starts in the bedroom and ends there . Nope ..... it doesn’t . Children and marriage life is more like a project, it succeeds with team work.
What do you if your wife or your husband gets furious ?
The Quran says that if you fear that a wife is being eccentric in other words, really out of order , out of control .. hysteric , throwing pans , threatening to call 911 ... .. okay you get the picture .
First you should advice her and if it works then thats fine ..but if didn’t ...you don’t share a bed with her .. meaning you say i am not sleeping with you and you sleep outside. If it works then that’s fine . If it didn’t , then you hit her ( i agree with this 100% by the way) . NOT ABUSE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALCHOLICS.
But there is restrictions ... you should NOT hit her on the face and never leave an injury.
Let me give an example and of course of the prophet " he got two pieces of cloth and put them together" and he said " like this ".
Now if the man becomes out of control , she has a right to do the same , but since she cant hit him
( excluding skinny somali guyz ....lol ) ... she is entitled to get 2 eye witnesses and ask for a judge to sort the problems between them. Divorce and 911 are not the only solution here.
We Somalis have a the best culture.... we don’t put a lot of restriction on our wives like Saudis do .. we don’t sell or kill our girls like Indians do ... we don’t throw our kids away like Americans do ..we don’t murder our husbands like Europeans do ....we have the best religion ...we have the best country ..and we have iman. What else would you people want ?
Live in harmony .. for like i said ..you cant live without each other.
Hey somali attorney .. you got my solution here .
I think i wrote a lot... but i hope it benefits you ...if you have anything against what i said .. i would be very glad to discuss it with you . If you think its long and boring ...... just ignore it.
Salaam to all from Dunya. |
| Xoogsade | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 02:49 pm
Dunya
Many good points well made... |
| Sumaya | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 03:50 pm
Salaam Caleykum
Sis Dunya Well Done points but Watch out Feminist
Movements |
| Alipapa | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 05:04 pm
Bitch Dunya;
I have to admit you preached good one this time.But as usual, you are out of the topic. If i looked at you posting there is absolutely nothing that relates to somali women-animals and abused somali men. All you said is men are this and women are that. Men have those criteria endowed by to God and women those.
And then you jumped to islam and how it can solve the general problems of any man and woman. In context of Essays, this one is considered pure generalization.And probably you are not getting any good grade. C is what you got from my books.
Instead you would have talked why somali women are born animals? why they abuse their loved husbands?.You just wasted our time preaching and talking about any islam woman and man who can be arab or chinese.
however, I am glad that you and your bitch cousin-somalisister, when you were hammered badly, admitted the facts that you are in better position, in women's status, compared to Arabian women,Ethopians women and many other third world women.
But do you bitches ever asked yourselves if somali men are in better position compared to Arab men or Ethopians?. I don't think you ever did because you are just animals.or do you ever asked your Goddamned selves what price somali men have to buy to grant you that freedom they gave to you?. For your info bitchie, somali men got more demands and more headaches in return from you animals. and worst of all, you are here bad mouthing somali men wherever you go. "Somali men are lazy", "why they are so skiny anyway and bums on welfare", "somalimen aren't romantic", "they don't know to screw us" are many degrading comments like those ones are become somali women's-animals'-prayer of the day. Just read somalinet and see how many titles are here just degrading somali men.
I guess, animals only reason whey they feel pain. And i tell mediating or trying to soothe somali men by saying "have tolerance" is not working here. The solution of this problem is just clear.
Any rational man can see that today, here in the west, to have somali woman as wife, he has to pay the price of two of what he would have paid to other woman-emotionally and economically.
Many of you short sighed may think i am just angry man speaking at the top of his head. But i tell you bastards and bitches out there i am ten years a head of you and my words of wisdom will echo on your shity ears many years to come.
i am outa here .
ALipapa |
| Muslim | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 07:40 pm
Alipapa - no wonder why your wife left you a long time ago! You took your anger towards her to the rest of somali queens.
Sakiin laq you 40 yr old loser trying to act like a child. |
| bolonye | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 12:59 am
war ninkan alipapa waa nin balaayo arkaye u kaadsha aan wareysanee.
alipapa
you mentioned some good points there, brother are you talking from personal experience or just pure generalisation? give us some specific examples of cases you witnessed. Give us one good example of somali woman ruining the life of honest hard working man. we need age group, bit of background info.. i.e. proffession and most importantly what u you think she did wrong..........
alipapa the ball is in your court, prove your case. |
| Dunya | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 10:19 am
Thanx xoogsade and sumaya for confirming my article had something to do with this topic.. and I don’t think there will be any feminist movement sis..cause I said nothing that offended my Somali sisters .
If I did .... i would be offending myself.... let me hear it if I did.
The only sound I am hearing is a Dog(Hint hint hint ..called Alipapa) that is howling really loud in my ignore list...i understand its a full moon, but relax.
Let me remove the chains and give you some dog medication first before you bite me....your punishment is to go UP ..and read what i said again. I will give you three minutes ...then i have to throw you back.
Since you cant differentiate between God creations , i dont know what good points bolonye found in his comment.Except for something that me drop out of my seat ... " i am ten years a head of you and my words of wisdom will echo on your shity ears many years to come. " AHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA .. wallahi i couldnt stop laughing .
Because bolonye bro ..he basically said what the men in his favourite coffee shop say all day and night while they chew on qaat day in day out......and the limited english he picked up from his streets ( like the vulger language he is using ).
Salaam |
| AnonBig | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 10:54 am
Hello ppl.
I wish to commend the initiator of this board for starting debate on an issue that is tearing apart many a Somali family in the Diaspora. I also wish to register my own 2 cents about why Somali Brotherhood in Diaspora should possess as thick a skin as a tank’s, so as to uphold the power and honour of fatherhood.
For starters, there is nothing such as ‘cheating on welfare’. Far from steeling from the Devil, it is actually the Devil himself who wants families to ‘cheat’ the welfare system VIA a simple rule: for a family to receive welfare, fatherhood should ‘officially’ be non-existent in the family i.e. the woman MUST be seen to be SINGLE. This is part of a two-pronged ruse whose primary aim is to loosen the bond holding together our families.
Our women, by being the recipient of welfare check, are handed incredible and unbelievable leverage over Fatherhood. They are staggered to find that family bread does not necessarily come from dad. They are astonished to find themselves completely free of their husbands’ financial hold on the family's life. This means, our women need not solicit favour (someone called it cunning) from us. Moreover, the Devil expects them to harass, nag, bewilder and be as irrational as possible to Fatherhood. Hence, it is altogether not a surprise to find fatherhood (under this onslaught) ‘misbehaving’ and eventually being forced to seek ‘mental normalcy’ elsewhere and thus, release to the SLAVE labour market an unattached male drone (no man dare say he is married when applying for work).
To end, let fatherhood beware that our problems in Diaspora have nothing to do with feminism et al.
It is the Devil and his system stupid! All to transform our little angles at home to potential devils!
Waan ka baxay.
Nabadeey.
Ps. Xoogsade, is it not amazing how a certain lady in this board is bragging of having enjoyed a fatherless life! Never seen a prouder BASTARD! |
| Labella | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 04:15 pm
....our little angels at home huh!!!!!!!!this is little hard to swallow!
AnonBig, I sense a transformation in you wow!!
Just like the compassionate conservative.
The postive sign is though you appear to be veering towards religion.........just don't become a seef la bood aight!!
BTW where is your nemisis Major?? |
| somalisister | Monday, August 14, 2000 - 05:48 pm
Anonbig--that was a low blow, BASTARD??, you seemed like you were going to debate intellectually ..then BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM..you destroyed it...frankly i don't know how to reply to your insult other than to let you know that you stooped really low and i have no intention of going that low with you. So enjoy your lowly quarters anonbig, but i would appreciate that next time you take it into your head to insult me that you try to keep my mother out of it..is that too much to ask??? |
| noor | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 02:19 pm
I have been watching this debate go on for a while in a civilized manner. It is unfortunate that it has degenerated in to farce. what started out as a promising discussion is on course to becoming a forums for trading insults. Sad, Let us get over name calling and insults and refocus our ideas. Somalisis writting is though provoking, I agree with her on certain points while others look extreme to me. As far as the welfare thing goes, it is crystal clear it is not the right thing to do, no two questions about it,but easier said than done.
Hope the debate goes on |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 06:52 am
Somali ladies with skinny legs and big waist are complaining in every place... BLA BLA BLA.
Why don't you leave somali guys alone if you cannot handle them? |
| Somali Attorney | Tuesday, September 26, 2000 - 02:03 pm
I just came back to thank Dunya and say "Will u marry me"...lol
Dunya thanx for the long essay, I promise to read it over and over |
| Aisha | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 07:34 am
I love Somali guys. period. |
| Dunya | Wednesday, September 27, 2000 - 06:40 pm
lol lol lol @ Somali Attorney .. :-)
Are you sure you ? |
| Somali Attorney | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:02 pm
Dunya sure I do |
| Dunya | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:12 pm
Sure about what ?
There are two parts for your comment .
And thanx for the compliment bro. |
| COOLIO | Thursday, September 28, 2000 - 06:53 pm
YO SOMALI ATTORNEY YOU WERE A REAL COOL BRO BUT NOW U STARTED TO FALL FOR ONE CHICKS!
LOL |
| Somali Attorney | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 06:31 am
lol - Dunya The first comment was like putting your feet in the water to see if is it suitable for swimming.. In other words to see if this great Somali queen is taken or not
The second comment was true, I knew it was a very good piece before reading it cos xoogsade (The usual critic) applauded u for it. I still have to read between the lines of that long essay sometime tomorrow and come back with my critism.
LOL @COOLIO - Bro every macho man has a heart. ometimes we need to show our soft side..lol |
| Jama | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:29 am
Naagaha soomaaliyeed way kibreen. |
| ANIZA | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 05:38 am
Yo Attorney, where in this world do reside? I am not hitting on you but I agree with your views. women should think very hard before they get pregnant. If I am jnot mistaken, you must have been in the west for a quite some time. |
| Dunya | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 09:26 am
Lol..
Coolio , I guess cool in your vocabulary is having dead feelings, not showing any emotions and a being male chuvenist.
Attorney , I am floating on a boat in whatever sea your dipping me at. Dont wanna swim yet.
Taken ????, hmmm , Ow yeah i am taken , but i am not taken by a man, if thats what your asking.But other things.
And hey bro, dont let anyone taste your food for you and say its good , eat it yourself and then judge.
Read it .
Salaam .. |
| Somali Attorney | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 10:36 am
Dunya:
After reading your article, all can say is WOLA! I admit that your piece is the best, well balanced, fair and (I don't mean to hit on ya LOL) rich with wisdom article that I ever read on these bulletin boards. No one is challenging you coz everything you said was true. Let me grab my life jacket before I swim 2 your way
Aniza: I can't tell my whereabouts now coz my g-friend sent me 100 love e-cards when she suspected that I was chasing queen Dunya and she started to threaten me soon after I cleared the smoke and said "R u taken queen Dunya" LOL I can't open a new front now I wish I could (KAFTAN) Thanx for seeing things eye to eye with me. |
| ANIZA | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 05:01 pm
Thanks for responding chicken :-) |
| Dunya | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 05:02 pm
Thank you Attorney , wow, now that is such a boost of confidence walaahi, where were you in my english midterms..lol... just kidding.
I tryed to leave some space for arguments but i am so aweful at that.
Hey bro, does a compliment nowadays mean " I am hitting on you"....well, not in my vocabulary.
Thank you for the feedback again , eventhough its almost 2 months since i wrote it.
I hope you realized how serious i was when i said , "Prepare for your marriage , not your wedding ", so do that ..and good luck with your relationship. And hey , try to avoid any conflicts with her in the longrun, eventhough little arguments are healthy in a relationship, it makes you know your partnet better and avoid things in the future, you know the person better i mean.
Take care .....
And Salaam... |
| Somali Attorney | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 09:39 am
lo @ ANIZA - chicken is my middle name and I wonder who let that secret out..lol
Dear Dunya:
I really admire you and I am sure a lot of other ppl do. The way you think is different. As you said, since we can't live without each other (male/female), we need to put up with each other with compromises, respect and tolerance. You could make a great pshcologist if you are not already..LOL
To the ladies, since we are all anonymous to one another, can you describe your ideal man? (I mean the one you think of when you are day dreaming LOL) and the one you ended up with if that happened already. |
| CCC | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 05:48 pm
SWEETIE - ARE YOU AVAILABLE? |
