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     | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 11:00 am why do the somalis fake geneaologies that trace their descent to some remote arab figure or sometimes to the prophet.why was the former somalia a member of the league of arab nations yet we are clearly not arabs,The only thing we share with arabs is islam.why do somalis abandon their traditional names in favour of arabic names?
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 11:01 am Please feel free to respond.2ny
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 11:27 am Mister contradictory Only one group of Somalis claims to have originated from Arabia and franky I have no problem with that. Second, you say we share Islam with Arab people and then you say why Somalis have arabic names. It is the religion you..... that requires these names, because most of these names are attributes of Allah Almighty. Would you prefer Jackson or White.
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 11:50 am Strictly speaking Islam is not the only thing we have in common with the Arabs. Although I am proud to be a Somali you cannot deny that we have genetical,linguistical and blood group similarities. If you was scientifically alert you would know that Somalis and Arabs both have the blood disorder B-Thalessimia and not the African blood disorder Sickel cell. If you was linguistically alert you would know that if you take away the Arab loan words in our in our language there is still a big 30% similarity in our languages which is due to our common origin (Afro-asiatic)i.e Proto-Somali and Proto-Arabic had the same origin. Genetically if you compared the DNA fragmental pattern of Somalis it would not be 100 miles away from that of certain arabs i.e the South Arabians (Yemeni's & Omani's. Finally we also share thousands of years of History with the South Arabians in terms of trade, invasions etc. So I think you will admit that although we are Somali (cushitic/afro-asiatic/hamitic)of origin we do have more than just religion in common with the South Arabians. Note that I use the terms South Arabians rather than Arabs. The latter means nothing i.e anyone who speaks Arabic.
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 02:02 pm Yasin! You are one of the weakest human forms god ever created. You are trying to justify through DNA nonsense that you are an Arab descendant. Why is it bothering you to be who you are? Did you really thought about that even if your ancestors were arabs, which they are not 100%, it does not mean a thing. Arabs are not super humans. They are as nomadic and even more ignorant than the Somali nomads.You need some miracle to save your twisted brain that makes you hate yourself. Did you know Somali people existed before Arab civilizations started? Read the ancient Egyptian scripts and learn who your real ancestors are. Peace!
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 06:52 pm Darkman...Very terrific question and I couldn't answer it even if U give me a blank check.
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| | Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 07:29 pm The truth. Mister angry man: Why are you so indignant with people where I sense you would jump on to them if you were sitting across them face to face. Somalis never wrote or talked about their ancestors. Your nomadic ancestors decided not to talk about it somehow. We are all doing some searching and making comparisons which doesn't mean we have to fight people with different theories. Arabs are our brothers slamically whether you like it or not. All other africans are our brothers too for a fact particularly north and eastern africans. So what is the big fuss here that you wanna kill people for?. You are a snake.
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 01:55 am TheTruth=Alipapa teenage boy ka fariiso meesha
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 02:18 am The Truth Actually, Yasine did not say that Somalis came from Southern Arabs. He said that there was a common ancestory. While I think he overstates his case, he definately has some valid points. And his write up in no way indicated an inferior status of Somalis vis-a-vis Arabs or anyone else. You're reading too much into it.
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 09:44 am To the truth...The truth of the matter is Arab came to Somalia and screwed our women, sorry I meant married our women. The next thing bengooooo here we are. So, next time when you see an Arab, tell him thank you for such a great contribution, otherwise, we would be still holding to that big nose, big lips, big afro, and to some of us big dick you dick head.
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 09:45 am Sorry that I misspelled my name. Faisal that was
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 11:16 am The somalis are placed within a wide family of peoples called the eastern cushites.The cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples called considered afro-asiatic.The somalis form a sub-group of the omo-tana called sam.Having split from the main stream of cushite peoples about the half of the first millenium b.c!!.The original home of the omo-tana group appears to have been between the omo and the tana rivers,in an area extending from lake turkana in present day northern kenya to the indian ocean coast.On the coast the proto-sam splintered further,one group(the boni) remained on the lamu archipelago.Members of the proto-sam who ocuupied the somali peninsula were known as saamale or samaal,a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the main somali clans,whose name gave rise to the term somali.So please sirs and madams refrain from bastardizing your origins by claiming some arab colonized you and inter-married with your women to create somalis,This is pathetic and illogical.You should be proud of your cushitic ancestry and names. Naabadgeeliyo,2ny
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 11:19 am Well, come to the real world guys! it pleases me that you have found some thing to interest you in common.But my question is would it not be better to spend all that enegry on some thing more constructive towards the development of Somalia as a people than trying to figure out the sizes of your noses and the like? I am sure that there is enough on our plates than what the Arabs did or did not do 1000 years ago! Let us move on....i see the road to a better somalia! peace
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 11:24 am Darkman x,I totally agree with your assesment,you are a genius man!Take these semi-literate somalis or as they would like you to call them "Arabs" to fucking school.1ny
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 02:42 pm DarkmanX,PowerX Waar Hadaad sankadhuudhi tihiin cidina carab baad tihiin idinma lehee carab iska daaya. Tan kale anigu asalkayga waan aqaane ha ii sheeginina ee idinku asal kiina raadsada.
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 05:21 pm Duriyada Jabarti! According to history, Jabarti was an Arab man who used to own numerous somali slaves. At his time, Jabarti was revered by his slaves. At the time of his death, more than ten thousand slaves that jabarti owned carried his name. This arab slave owner never had a children of his own. But the descendants of his slaves still believe under the illusion that they are the descendents of arabs. One wonders, when will these EX slaves be free from the mental slavery they carried for generations. The people that call themselves DARODS and the mentally twisted arab and european warshipping maniacs who call themselves ISAQ have clearly misrepresented the somali culture and the true somali people. These X slaves up to know are still bold to call themselves arab descendants. The question i have for the man who calls himself Jabarti descendent is: When are you going to be free? I guess never!
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 10:52 pm The truth well said brother. !!!
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| | Wednesday, August 09, 2000 - 11:17 pm Couldn't a agree with u more NZEE,MR THE TRUTH CLAIMER(mentally twisted European and Arab worshippers issaq's)how racist and ignorant of u of course u r not issaq i can detect this sense of hypocrisy and qabyaalaa from u narrow-minded a hole like u can say whatever it takes to deface other tribe's other than his. +I was hoping for one somalia but clearly with tribe fanatic's like u i don't see it coming. =From now on I'm the biggest somaliland supporter(thank's to you and you'r racist tribalism ignorant posting)
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 01:15 am yaayaa yaaa.... what do we have here? arab lovers and arab haters. to: arab lovers, I think you lot lack some self confidenc. why f*cking bother wasting your energy on showing that you are related to bloody arabs. Do us a favour, be proud of who you are or get your f*cking head examined. to: arab hater.. I think you lot are being screwed by arab abuser. don't take it on us. they got nothing to do with us. if it makes you happy,WE ARE NOT ARABS!!!!!!! happy now..... that is it.....piss off now.....
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 02:31 am The Truth First of all before I respond to you was there a need to be so rude I don't have a twisted brain but you will have if you use that kind of language. The problem with the Somali Net Forum pages is that Somalis feel free to insult their brothers and sisters who they have never met. You would not do this to their faces so please have some respect for your fellow Somalis. Secondly, As Mad Mac rightly points out I did not say Somalis originate from the Arabs I said proto-Somalis and Proto-Arabs have the same ancestors. So please before you start insulting READ, DIGEST AND ONLY THEN COMMENT. ANY IDIOT CAN INSULT, what we want is intelligent dialogue which people can benefit from. Thirdly, Somalis are a truly unique mysterious people. I don't know if you've heard of the Periplus of the Erythraen Sea. It is a Greek traveller who circumnavigated Africa in approximately 1st Century AD. He describes Somali so vividly and calls us black berbers who trade in various commodities. The interesting thing is he talks about some other black berbers in Nubia (Nubians look like us). The first time that the word BERBER was ever used was by the ancient Egyptians was to describe us and the Nubians. In ancient hieroglphics we are the only people who was not classed as foreigners although the Libyans, Syrians, Hittites,& Ethiopians were classed as foreigners. Why is this? It is because the ancient Egyptians knew that they originated from 'The Land of The GODS' (as Queen Hateshput describes Somalia)i.e PUNT. So you have a point in that we are ethnically related to the ancient Egypitians. The Berbers, in Libya,Algeria,Mauretania,Morroco,Tunisia,Chad etc are also all NILE VALLEY of origin. The only problem is deciding when the diaspora happened. That's when DNA comes in. You can use what they call the GENETIC DISTANCE of HLA groups to measure how related people are. The Arabs and Jews (or Semites) did not give rise to us Hamites (Cushite) since it is well accepted in linguistic circles that it is a young language. If you study the linguistic distribution in Ethiopia you will find over 70 languages of which a quarter is of Semitic origin (South Arabian dialect). i.e there are more Semitic languages in Africa than there is outside it. This means that the the center of greatest linguistic diversity is the place of origin i.e the Horn of Africa. It is more complicated than this though. I truly believe that Somalis, Ehiopians,Nubians,Berbers,Omanis,Yemenis,Asir and Tihima people at one point all spoke the same language and were the same people. Probably about 10,000 years ago. I agree too many Somalis go on about their Arab origins when in reality the Arabs should talk about their African Origins. Origins has a lot to do with the time period you are discussing. There have been recent Arab migrations into the 'Horn of Africa' but it has not affected the GENE POOL significantly. We are also related to SOME Indians and SOME Malaysians. Madagascar is living proof that Pacific people came to the East African coast. Somalis definitely were ancient Sea farers as the island of Maldives in the Indian Ocean speak of Berbers bringing the Islamic religion to them in the 12 Century AD. Coincidently there capital is called MALE! It is a pity that Somalis did not write like the Himyaritic or Sabean peoples of Arabia as that would give us a clue into our origins. Having said that there are unknown inscriptions in North Somali which have not been deciphered. Perhaps that would clear this up for good. Good bye Please if you are going to respond, engage your brain before opening your mouth. Salaams Brothers & Sister.
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 11:45 am Fahmii, look who is ignorant! Do you think i give a damn if you support the fictional country of SomaliLand. If i had my way, I would make sure that the Isaqs and their desert never be part of somalia. Tell me anything good your the isaqs did? The only thing they are good at is warshipping arabs and Europeans while they come with their ignorance and arrogance to their fellow somalis. As far as i am concerned, somalihood is mutual. If you don't do your part then you are not Somali. Peace!
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 11:58 am To the truth, would you please refere to the final statement of brother Yasine next time you write. Just a little reminder, here it is AGAIN " Engage your brain before opeining your mouth"
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| | Thursday, August 10, 2000 - 06:47 pm THE un TRUTH: Man I don't like to waste my time talking to people like you, but let me tell U 1 thing; From the way U talk, I can see you are not sure who your ancestors are. In other word, U R one of those who have no 'abtirsi'(family lineage). But know 1 thing 'mr.truth': most somalis are not like you. So if U don't know where you came from, try to find it out but U shouldn't be insulting other peoples ancestors. ALSO I don't understand why UR angry at us. What makes U say that we,the offsprings of Jabarti, are not his real offsprings but rather that of his slaves. Too bad mr.'truth', nobody is asking U our ancestor. But please don't insult us and try to find your origins peacefully.
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| | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 08:06 am Yasine The somalis are not unique and mysterious as you wish them to be. I think you and a lot of other somalis believe that somalis are a race of their own, but the fact which any person with common sense knows is that the somalis are people of african descent. Apart from the physical characteristics and the location of residence which all indicate the african characteristics of the somali people(color = black & Somalia is in africa), it is also historcal fact that the somalis are a member of one of the three main groups that make up the negro race. The tree groups that make up the negro race are, the Bantu(the majority of the negro race and mainly agricultural), The Cushites(which are also numerous and which are mainly nomadic) and the Nylo(which are also mainly nomadic). The somalis happen to be part of the cushites as indicated by the features and the language. The Cushites are people who historcally occupy the northern regions of the sub saharan africa. These people live mainly in countries like (Somalia, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Mali and Senegal) They cushites happen to be the majority in Somalia,Ethiopia,Chad,Niger and Mali. For you to say that we are unique people shows that you want to distance yourself from the truth origin of the Somali People. The somali language is driven from the same parents as the Oromo's Sohos, Afars, Tauregs, Tanguns, Jaeleys and so on.
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| | Friday, August 11, 2000 - 02:28 pm The truth, thankyou for being civilised in your response. I dont mind debating intellectually with you as your a Somaili brother , we could both be wrong or one of us right, it doesnt really matter . The important thing is we are having a civilised discussion now. To answer your point firstly there are not 3 NEGRO groups in Africa. Negro is a derogotory term coined firstly by the Spanish to mean black then by the Americans to mean people of a certain look ie BANTU looking. No Anthropologists in the world would describe Somalis as NEGRO. The word Black and Negro are not the same. The rest of the statements that you have written only echoes what I have written i.e that Somalis are of African origin similer to other cushitic groups. We know that already. The Somalis however are different to other cushitic groups though in that the have influenced other their neighbours more than any other cushite. For example the RENDILLE of Kenya speak a language 50% related to Somali. The MAASI state that they originate from the MAA people, they say that Somalis are also MAA people. The OROMO's numerical system is identical to Somalis. The AFar language are closer to Somalis than any other cushitic group. The ex -Chad President Hussein Gabre often said he originated fron the Garre tribe of Somalia. We therefore are unique in that we travel, trade and interact with other groups more than the average cushite. You cannot disagree with me for the sake of it. Somalis are an African people related to many Cushitic peoples of Africa. We are also related to Semitic peoples as the Agau, Tigreans, Eritreans, Amhara, Harari, Gurage all speak Semitic languages but look just like us. The Fulani & Nubians look just like us but speak a Nilotic language like the Dinkas of Sudan, Hence language is not the only way of studying origin relationships, sometimes it can put you on the wrong track. Peace.
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| | Tuesday, August 15, 2000 - 08:50 am having similarities of language and looks with other nations does not particularly mean that we have decended from them...this discussion is pointless..doesnt matter where we came from it is obvious that we have some arabic as well as afro influences in our calture..no need to hate or disrespect EITHER OF THem i saaaay why dont we accept and be proud of our unique beings..FORGET THE PAST..we are what we are now...i mean people usually notice a somali person right away.,,,no one could mistake us pure arabic or pure african..so forgit it people..move on
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| | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 02:01 am Darkman Based on what I've read your thesis is correct, but only to a point. After the Soomal migrated north and occupied the horn Arab traders showed up. Eventually there numbers began to grow significantly. Many of their decendants are the Rehr Iammer of today. And many of them inter-married. So without a doubt there's some Arab influence in the Somali genetic make up. Not that it means a thing one way or another. Gabardadow has a point. It's interesting to know where certain groups came from but it's not really important. Where you're going is much more important than where you came from.
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| | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 09:12 am Madmac,I concur with your response.
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| | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 05:05 pm yasine, i agree wuth every idiot can insult..but one thing i don't agree with ya is that somalis are arabs or originally from arabs, if u claim that is true so all the cushites are arabs then. if u trace people by language the language kiswahili has more similar words with arabic than somali language does. and if u say we can trace people by language again i am staioned here in japan and i found couple japanese words with same prounounzation and meaning with somali words and i can prove it to you. so does that mean we are originally asians or asian were originally somalis? we are somalis we don't belong to arabs , i don't have any inferiority with arabs . i don't think they are better than us or we are better than them.let us go to the looks, most of the Eastern African have the same physical features(almost), but do we look closer to arabs or the other cushites. i don't think Arabs want us and i don't think they will welcome u, in saudia somalis are called CABIID which meab like slave or negro what ever u wanna call, that means they are more supperior than we are( that is what they think not me), but there is no way a cushite or even a black american will call me negro or slave in order to inferior me. they might say for jokes, yea.. so please watch what u saying, we are not arabs. bye. contact... moyuab@hotmail.com
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| | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 10:57 pm Mohamed If anyone uses any racial slurs or calls you somethihg like "skinny" don't put up with that crap. There aren't many still around, but every now and then you run into some red necks out there who haven't gotten the picture that in the US Armed Forces racism is a non-starter. You'd think that people who depend on each other for their lives would pick up on it quick, but some folks just aren't that bright.
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