     colaad | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:34 am
SALAAMU CALAYKUM....ALL.
Every corner wich i visit in this net i see discussions concerning clans,tribes,races,superioraty,infirioraty,religion,culture etc.
We have Identity crises why? |
| Hakima | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 11:22 am
why would u say that? an indivdual is made up of so many sub units.
Gender:male/female
Color:black,white, yellow,..etc
Religion:Islam, christianity,...etc
Social n economic n political dimensions...etc.
A person can't be just a single things. We are much complex than that.
So, as long as all these differences exist, we gonna talk about it. And, i think what u have seen in it the net isn't crisis rather ppl trying to find an ideology that they wanna adhere to.
peace... |
| colaad | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 09:50 am
"I think what you have seen inside the net is not crises rather pple trying to find an Ideolagy that they want to adhere to "
Exactly because the pple are trying to find an Ideolagy is one of the reasons which proofing their crises.For me Identity means believe.
There is big different between who you are?and what you do? who you are is defined your believe of your apartenance and self image,what you are is defined your comportement verbally and physicly your way of behaving socially politics,economic etc.
When we do not differentiate between these two terms we start to have proplems begins Identity and terminates confusion. |
| Jeylani | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 01:23 am
Colaad:
Race, Sup/Infe. complex, Religion, Culture, and many other comparable subjects are very important issues that require attention from us, Somalis. Because of the fact, that we are in foreign land, makes these topics very important. The problem is that it's NOT being used properly. For example, some idiot will come along introducing such as the following topic: "Sidee u garan kartaa gabadha haday bikro tahay." So, Colaad, we need to talk about it but in a way that is beneficial to our community. The site is created so we can reach and help each other. It's not a play ground for morons. |
| HAAD | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 11:44 pm
Hakima and colaad/jelani
waaw, i am impressed.......the human body as you said is made up of different particles and the surrounding evnironment attributes names/symbols to describe.
What is true is that the somalis are suffering from identity crises........as a result of trauma.
Imagine losing your home, friends, family, enviroment, weather.
No wonder suicide rates among somali refugees in the western world is skyrocketing.........most somalis are not somali enough, muslim enough.
We have lied about our identities, age,, religion etc....and this has created a true identity crises.
Haad |
| naasir | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 02:42 am
This is the 21th century,our ID's are not now which clan, sub-clan or tribe we belong but in fact what is our bank PIN number, individual candidate number or passport number.
Ideas such as tribes are prehistoric and are not relvant in todays mordern world.
If you don't believe this see the crises in Somalia and ask your self"what is the catalyst or cause of such anarchy or chaos in Somalia?" |
| colaad | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 12:06 pm
"Race,sup/infer,complex,religion,culture and many other comparable subjects"
hakima,
"We are much complex than that these differents exist we need to talk about it"
Jeylani,
"these issues are very important and require attention we need to talk about it in a way wich is beneficial to our community"
Haad,
"the Identity crises exist most Somalis are not somali enough,muslims enough"
I agree with you if I take as example the Race super/ifer complex we have same language,culture and religion we believe as Muslims that all humanbeings have one father and mother and there are no differences ecxept their "believes" at the same time our major proplem is race(clan,subclan,tribe)every clan and tribe believes he is the best.
Every clan or tribe can have one dialect and away of living wich is different than the other clans and tribes but we have same"believe" ,Somali Race is different than the other races because it has one common language,religion and culture not the way it look like. |
| HAAD | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 03:52 am
Colaad!
I think what we somalis need is to undergo an evolution of the mind/the way we think. We somalis are very proud of things that are harmfull to us.
We think we are the greatest nation, the richest....only superlatives.... and that is why we have problems.
One can call this self critism but i call it self-evolution. inorder to understand this you have to look at these discussion-forums.
I doubt, whether the somalis are hetrogenous...we do not have a common religion...because if we had we wouldn't have buchered ourselves...and our culture(the so-called) is built on geneocological heritage based on middle age hetrogomoy |
| suad | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 04:48 am
On the contrary, I think the problem is the fact that we spend too much time actually identifying ourselves. |
| Mohamed Ali | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 06:02 am
I am sick and tied of hearing about clans/subclans/subsubclans/sub.sub.sub.subclans?
no wonder the white man calls us Africans monkeys.
don't try to say that we are not like the other Africans because we are.If you know the history of Somalia then you know that it started with one or two names and ended up being a clan name and now a whole nation is destroyed. I rather kill a man for teaching about clans to a child then kill a man for being from a clan.
I remember back in Somalia before the war started we Somalians use to use words like (adoon) and (midgaan),they say what go's around comes around, now that we came north-west we found out that we are all niggers. we are very ignorant and if we don't stop (which is not possible) Allah will show us more then we have seen. You can call me (not Somali enough) and I am happy to take it because if I was Somali enough I would be a clan promoder.
It would be Ok, if a percent of the population supported this clan thing but a whole nation. I know for a fact that all of you that are in here right now teach or will teach your children what clan they are and tomorrow it's going to be our children that will kill each other over this.
Are you happy now.
I seen some people say (we Somalians use clans the wrong way)-------(nonsense) that's what I say.
I think it's like a gun. you use it, you damage or you get damaged.
sincerely.Mohamed Ali |
| Somsis | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 08:19 am
Mohamed
I can,t say it any better!
Mansha,allh br any one who can understand the pain ..our ppl go through at the sake of Clan it will agree whit U 100%.
U said..(Irather kill a man teaching a children Clan rather Killing for him being a Clan) I feel the same! well I would,nt like to Kill any one but if I get the choice I am whit you.
My veiws Clan=Disease which treating our whole Nation...but the Sad thing is no one sees that way..as long as our ppl don,t understand or care to understand then it will be Hiden weopen ...which has kill many of Us destroy our Land and will Kill many More!
The thing is Mohamed, I get really sad when I thing about my Future children cuz I know that as long as they are Somali...this thing will affect them....so I came to the Conclussion to Married out side our race....So that I may save my Children.....that is how I feel about Clanism!
Peace all. |
| Hakima | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 03:51 pm
Well whether you folks like it or not somali society is based on tribalism. Whether we see the tribal issue as our domestic pet or the mighty
Ghoul...it existed long before us...is here today..and will be. I believe whether we accuse each other of being so or not won't solve anything. I do know i m of clan so n so ...n will
teach my children who they r cuz that is their least right...but i don't know why will someone
attack me or what gives me the right to attack others simply that they ain't from my clan.
Finally, if we just deeply analyze what is going on in somalia...u will see that the true thing is not clanism..rather that is just a cover. What we all truely know n just won't confess is that some minority politically using the clan weapon as a traget for their own goals not caring about even their close relatives.
For Somsis: girl this is ur motherland...don't chicken out...its ur fight...don't run...and propose a solution like that. If u really believe in urself...try to make a change...after all
the journey of thousand miles ..just starts with one step.
peace.... |
| colaad | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 04:01 pm
Mohamed ali.
You can be Somali enough,without being a clan promoter.
Any system consists several parts that are essential and related to one onother,when a certain outcome is desired there are actions and reactions and interactions among the parts that keep changing,each part acts as starter to all other parts.
Somali system,consists several different society systems:Nomad society,cultivator society,urban society.Each society has it's own system.
The proplem of the Race (infer/super,clans,tribes)I consiser it is one of the most important element inside the Nomad system society,they live in a semi desert land the nature of their invironment is hard they move from place to onother so they use Clan names and tribes to recognize each other.Their system is closed system if you are not one of them you are excluded they depend on edict and low and order wich operates through force both physically and psycologically.
At last Nomad society system influenced the whole Somali system and I believe it's the strongest cause wich destroyed Somali nation,i wonder why we are still comiting the same error. |
| Sabax | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 07:24 am
this is like "isku dhexkaris" without moos
or suugo withoout cusbo |
| Raisal | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 07:44 am
Great discussion Colaad, Mohamed Ali and Hakima.
How do I identify myself?
I guess it would be my nationality. And as a Somali- the ugly head of "tribalism" pops up the momment we mention "nationality".
My feelings on the clanism are still mixed. Some days I believe that we are all somalis and we have a bigger battle to fight. eg. living in the west, maintaining our heritage, making a living, etc. Some days I get angry at all the "warlords" and the old dictatorship for making us homeless. Then somedays when I hear about a suffering that touches too close to home, or about a particular warlord's actions, I become clanist and start hating others because of their clan. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 10:13 am
Salam calaykum to u all. I think no man can stop
father teaching his child who he is. That is what is all about. If u look at our faith in koran, it has mention Qabiil and Man was created through Qabiila and Nations. So if u say i want to stop introducing Qabiil, You wont be successfull.
I want raise questions. Why Qabiil was created?
and Is one Qabiil superior to others.
Qabiil was created to identify ourself, who we are, where we came from. who are our fathers.
It is very fortune that most somalis know about
their fathers in about ten generations.
I want make it very clear to u that NO qabiil is better than others. When we stand in front of allah, We would be judge on basis of our deeds.
Alah Sub hanu watacal will not give credit just because of u belong to that clan. Remember If u strongly believe in qabiil,in the day after, qabiil wont be much helpfull at all. Ur own family, father, mother, sister, brother will run away from U becasue they want anything to do with ur sin. Last but not least.. We are all created equal and put us in the face on this earth to worship alah. |
