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OGADENIA GOORMAY XOREEB DOONTAA MAXAASE HORTAAGAN?

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: Archive (Before Oct. 29, 2000): OGADENIA GOORMAY XOREEB DOONTAA MAXAASE HORTAAGAN?
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DHUNKAAL

Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 10:17 am
Ogdenia goormay xoroobi doontaa maxaase hortaagan inay xoroowdo marka laga soo tago gumaysiga oo caadaiisu tahay inay wax kumaystaan intay u suurta galayso
Marka masoomaalidaan xoraynta u midaysnayn mise tabar dari kalaa jirta ileen Ereteri xoroowdee?

Fadlan kadhiibo Ra'yigaaga adoo muujinaya dhaqan wanaagsan. Waad mahadsan tihiin.

DHUNKAAL

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 11:06 am
ogadenia waxay xoroobi doontaa markay garatay waxa ay rabto ama ay doonayso. markii geeli jire gaajaysan halyay baad tahay laga daayo. markii nin london iyo toronto jooga oo gaal iyo amxaar baan la dagaalayaa laga dhagaysan waayo. markii agoonta la daryeelo. markii carruurta wax la baro. markii ceelal loo qado. markii wadooyin loo dhiso. markii laga daayo haddii labo tan oo canbuul ah aan heli lahaa wayay maxaa tigreey iyo injirlihii xabashida qabsan doona. markii kabo loo xiro wiilka cagaha cad. markaa waaye ogow

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 11:16 am
Ogadenia hadii aad ula jeedo dadka ogaadeenka la dhaho adeeroow waxba isku luri weligood xoroobi mayaan oo waxaa laabta uga dheehan in ay qaxooti yihiin xitaa hadday qari jiqood joogaan.

Haddii aad ula jeedo dhulka soomaaliyeed ee isticmaarka xabashida ku jiran alla magane weligiis xoroobi mayoo hadayba addis xukuntaa ayl iyo bay u dhaxaysa. anigana waa sidaas rayigayga.

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KOSHIN

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:32 pm
I believer that we are entitled to make mistakes, but what is more important is our wiliness to
learn from those mistakes. I am taking by what started to be even exchange is developing into
full-scale discussion. I can't thank you enough for all of you whom are participant of this topic.
It is important for all of us to really explore our feelings toward each other. It seems to me that some of you had made an excellent argument on why you don't feel part of the name OGADENIA,
some of you based on this relatively understandable and logical barrier that this name con not be distinguished from the OGADEN tribe. You are absolutely right on this, the second argument which is well received is the name was giving by emperor Haile Salaize. The bottom line on this two argument is you don't feel part of this name infect it isolates you from being member of given territory. My follow peers let me assure you that as a member of the Ogaden clan we do
understand this. There have being numerous intellectual exchanges between the Ogaden clan
regarding this name. We by no means intend to isolate the same people whom we are trying to
defend them from barbaric colonial. By any means this name is well recognized throughout the
world. The name brand is well recognized through out the world, and it is important for our
people's struggle. For example, Somali republic has recognized territorial put forth by the United
Nations, and for Ogadenia to call western Somalia would violated that agreement. Secondly,
Human rights violations are constantly taking place in this area, and for the world to recognize
that this is taking place in Ogadenia rather than in Somali. If you like another out of the blues
example, do you know why Hussein Adiid inherited his father's role? One of the think that I could
think of is they wanted a recognizable name can keep his father's activities. I have no intentions
to move our discuss into Somali plat form, nor did I not find a better example to give to you. The
bottom line is we are aware of this name is cousins a lot of our brothers and sisters a lot pain. For time being please bare with us, this name is only being used to reach our ultimate goal of freedom. We will insha'allah join Somali weyn soon after.
Thank you.

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Fuaad

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:37 pm
war anonymousoow ninkaad u jawaabi waa dhunkaal
(lax dhukan col iyo abaarba moog)adduun wax kalama socdo siyaasadda maanta iyo dhaantada is badashay,waxaanse la yaabanahay dadka uu fayeenka u yahay, waxaan si kadis ah ugala kulmay bogga somalitalk reedio xorriyo waxaan oogu tagay geeljire foorinaya,waxaase muuqata inay maalmahan danbe soo ilbaxaayaan waa yaabe yaa baray in internetkana wax lagu qoro.

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KOSHIN

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:20 pm
My fellow countrymen I would like to request from you to keep this conversation clean. I feel we
are making a great progress in discussing this topic. I wanted to move on away from this issue but some thing different comes up that need to be responded. I am not here to persuade my
point view to anybody, in contrary I am here to learn from you. Some of you had express your
opinions with out putting any thoughts, if you are going to convince me to see where you are
coming from please tell me why? Give me a valid reason on why we need to stop using the name
Ogadenia. I have mention to you why we should keep it for now and my reasons are well
documented in my previous posting. Please take a time to read it. I am stunned to see the level
of emotional expression some of you display with your writings. I can only hope you think of your
head instead of your heart. We must always think of our head and be logic. Our heart could just
destroy us completely. One of the main arguments posted against the name Ogadenia was based
on 1977-78 war with Ethiopia. It stated all Somali people fought for the liberation of Ogadenia or
at the time Western Somalia to liberated from Ethiopia. That is absolutely right, my friends, but the questions was that the right thing to do? Of course that was the right think to do
emotionally Siyad Barre had moral obligation to help the people of Ogadenia on their struggle
against Ethiopian Empire. Logically Siyad Barre's direct involvement with the war hurt the
struggle because it brought a lot of negative publicly though out the world, why? The
international community didn't see people fighting for their libations but they only saw a country
with define boarder lines claiming another country territory. In other words, we lost the war of
foreign policy. Siyad Bare's emotional efforts became the demise of our people. He wouldn't listen to his adviser, he created Western Somali, and he took direct comment to lead Somali troops
into Ethiopia. That was the begging of the end of Ogadenia and Somalia. My friends you must
first learn international law and where you sit with current international laws of territorial
charter. We can not take the name Somalia, as of now because we are not Somalians yet, and
we are not free to be who we want to be. If you desire Somalinimo, lets work together so we
could expedite our freedom. Otherwise, keep your comments to your self.

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Fuaad

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:50 pm
THANK YOU MR.KOSHIN

GENERALY TALKING OF OUR LAND WE NEED A PEOPLE
WHO CAN DEAL AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS WORLD THESE DAYS, WE NEED PH.D. OR AT LEAST MASTER DEGREE HOLDERS IN POLITICS OR ADMINISTRATION, WE KNOW BILL CLINTON HE HAS MASTER IN ADMINISTRATION AND WHEN HE IS COMMUNICATING WITH OTHERS HE DON'T ASK WHICH TRIPE THEY FROM HE DON'T WISSLE BEHIND CAMELS
GEEL JIRE(WOOOO YEEE WOOHOO)I KNOW WE HAVE EVEN PH.D. HOLDERS BUT THEY CANNOT COMMUNICATE EACH OTHER
WE NEED TO GET A COMMON SENT, WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
BY FUAAD

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hebel

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:57 am
When Ya all freaks stop speaking Ethiopians.

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Koshin

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 02:05 am
Thank you Fuaad.
You are absolutely correct; we need more intellectuals to who will communicate with our people and likewise others. My father had his PHD in Agricultural Economics from Colorado State University. I am working on my MBA right at University of St.Thomas. My brother is also doing his MA in international relations, specializing conflict resolution at GeorgeMason University in Virginia.. There are even more of Somali/Ogadenias who are doing better than us.. We have come from a long way my friend. I would like to recommend you to this site pls read it.http://www.islam.org.au/. There are two article regarding Somalia in which you'll appreciate.

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abdikarim

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 05:44 am
hej every body who is here to give his point of view .
first thanks to all somalis and secondly the name
ogaden is geographical name given by colonials
thus we have to throw it and take back the original name meaning :somalia"
and other side the name ogaden is clan name
and we can not use it simply because it
is uncompatable to our goals and that is somalinimo and free somalia.
hence i say to every body who appreciate somalinimo:
please don´t use that name because it causes
division of somalia and somalis regardless
where the live .

thats my point of view
thanks

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hilaac

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:58 am
fellow Somalis the topic is emotional cool
the liberation of ogadenia region is under
colony as Somali south/north tried to bring
with the rest of Somalia it did,t work now
we don,t know when U will liberate only. god
knows, who struggles reaches as we all know
Somalis lost many of it is men on U to bring
with other Somalis, lets forget the barriers
about this name, all U are opinions /arguments
were excellent sound it to me community work

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Koshin

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 06:17 pm
For those of you who think the struggle ends with in Ogadenian boarder, you are in for a big surprise. The Ethopian colonial is working under western protection as they regard it as the first danger to confront Islam in the African Horn. For this reason, Ethopia was not colonized, in fact they made it one of the colonizing powers, so they handed it vast Islamic lands. Christians in Ethopia are a small minority amidst a vast majority of Muslims who are angered by their treatment. The Christian minority are governing the Muslim majority with iron and fire. For these reasons Ethopia is getting the lion's share of international aid, sufficient proof is in the fact that Ethopia received 84% of all the international aid to Africa in 1996, this ofcourse was cut off during Ethopia and Eritria war. There are also hundrets of American and Israeli experts who are training the Ethopian army in all millitary aspect. If you think this war is just between Ogadenians and Ethopia, think again. I would like to request from you to do your own research before you say anything. We are far gone to debate about a simple name, our whole exsistance as a muslim is under treath. MR.Zenawi is using every trick in the book to smear head our struggle. He has succeed confusing international communities to make them think, he is fighting with Muslim Fundamentalist. He is also succeed in understanding somali clan mentality that helps him distroy the aspirations of Somali people to form a government of National Unity.

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ugas

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 06:03 pm
mr. koshin read how zinawi helps the Ogadenis UN warns on world food

Food is not scarce but it is badly distributed

The world is not doing enough to fight hunger, a United Nations agency has said in a report issued to coincide with World Food Day.


It is not necessary to have hunger at all because there is enough food for all

FAO official Hartwig de Haen
It said the international community had made little progress towards meeting a 1996 target to halve within 15 years the number of people who do not have enough to eat.

The UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) said that more than 800 million people worldwide were undernourished, although there was enough food in the world.

The head of the FAO, Jacques Diouf, said public opinion and world leaders needed to do more to fight hunger, or the world would miss its target of halving the number of hungry by 2015.

"We are reducing the number of hungry people by eight million a year, but the necessary investment that has to go into agriculture is just not there," he said.

Farming funds

He added that governments were not investing enough in farming, while conflict, drought and floods, were adding to the problems.


Jacques Diouf: World needs to act

"If you look at the level of national budgets going to agriculture in relation to populations in the rural sector, you will see that there is no consistency," he said.

One of the worst-affected areas, said Mr Diouf, was the drought-hit Horn of Africa, North Korea and Iraq.

About 19 million people in the Horn of Africa, mainly Kenya and Ethiopia, now need emergency food assistance, he said. Despite international aid organised by the World Food Programme, he said the situation remained critical.

FAO sit-rep
1996: World Food Summit pledged to cut hungry to 400m by 2015
Progress so far neutralised by world population growth
2000: Out of 6bn population, 826m still hungry
2015: 580m still likely to be hungry
400m target unlikely to be achieved before 2030
"Only 1% of the arable land in the Horn of Africa has water control [irrigation]," he said. "Compare it to the figures for Asia - 38%, China 50%.

"How can you have a serious development [of agriculture] in an area where 99% of the land has no water control and is entirely dependent on the vagaries of the climate?"

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Koshin

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:28 pm
MR.UGAS. How is he helping? Please give me your analysis and feedback.
Thank you

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Suudi

Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 07:01 am
The real nationalists of Somaliweyn were mostly from the Isaaq clan i can name 30-40 singers and poets who did most of the nationalistic songs and poems for SomaliGalbeed and Djibouti,counless thousands from Waqoyii also fought and died in the war against Ethiopia.

Ogaden is what you call land inhabited by that people but do you mean to tell me that the Habar Yonis and Ciidagale of Hawd is going to call their land Ogaden??????

Somalis from Djibouti and Somali Galbeed have been very ungrateful for the people who sacrificed enormous economic resources and blood for their liberation and now these people have said we will help no more, we are going to manage our own Somaliland.

I realy believe that without Somalilands support you will have no success this is my opinion. If you are in war with Ethiopia and Somaliland is best friend with Ethiopia that means we as Somalis are on two different trains one going south and one going north.

Unity among Somalis is the key but it does not seem likely at the moment that is my opinion on this issue.

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fuaad

Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 05:35 pm
helloow Are we still same topic

please lets undaristand each other i dont care
who is who what i care to build our land under which name? no matter i am not ogadeni calan bt
i can steel become a leader in the reagion,
my fother use to be a memper of perlment from Jigjiga and degehbur,
lets build the country go with the Government,Ittihad,ONLF,WSLF or any other Group,
Do you read what mr.suudi said,Somali land and puntland all the people are mixed their goal is to build their country and we are distroying our land.

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ugas

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 08:34 am
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Embassy of Ethiopia (Washington, DC)

October 19, 2000

Addis Ababa

The Saudi-German Health Service Promotion Company, an international medical firm based in Saudi Arabia says it would launch the construction of a referral hospital in Addis Ababa next January with an out lay of 100 million dollars.

The Amharic weekly newspaper, Efoyeta, quoted the middle east and Africa branch director for investment and planning with the company, Mr. Hussien Nasser, as saying that the future hospital was envisaged to get the status of referral hospital for Eastern Africa.

Mr. Nassar said, the hospital, which would consists over 400 beds, would have a wing of training center for nurses as well as laboratory and X-ray technicians.

Mr. Nassar further noted that the hospital would also give the country access to health care services supported by satellite and modern communication technology.

The director said the construction work of the hospital which is assigned to a sister construction firm would be finalized in two years time. Ethiopia and Nigeria are the first two countries where the company started investing in Africa, it was learnt.

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Anonymous

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:46 am
is this isaaq and ogadeen coalition?
trying to over throu the Ethiopian government?

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Koshin

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 06:23 pm
In response to Mr. Suudi's comments posted October 19, 2000 around 10:35 PM. First of all I would like to comment your views relating to the subject. I found it to be refreshing compare to what I have been reading here in the past. I think, you are right, there are a lot of people who died for the liberation of greater Somalia. I also agree with you hole heartily that the Issaq clan play a pivotal role in both leadership and contribution of wealth to the struggle of Ogadenia. They pledge to help fight on because their survival depends on the outcome of the war. Ogadenia is the main supplier of livestock and other goods to Somaliland. I was born in Hargieisa, and I can tell you with out biases that all of the livestock comes from Ogadenia, and all of the fruit and vegetable is comes from dhiridhabe. The only farming areas in Somaliland are Geedeble, Arabsia, Gabiley, and Borame in which mainly produce fruit and vegetable. I don't want you to get me wrong, because there are a lot of other rich resources that Somaliland has. My point is that the struggle is more important than the name we are carrying at this moment and our struggle is interdependent to your existence. Eventhough, I am not a member of your Issaq clan, but born in Hargiesa, I am still respectful and civilized enough to address you what your majority opted to be called that is "Somaliland". I don't know if you read my reasons for keeping the Ogadenian name for time being. I had posted in this web site. I encourage you to read it when you have a time. I understand this name had created a lot of misunderstanding between people of common roots and common destiny. We would Insha'allah change the name upon liberating our land from this barbaric WAYAN TPLF. In the meantime please be respectful of what our majority had chosen for a name, and I would keep on referring to you SOMALILAND.

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KOSHIN

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 06:29 pm
UGAS.
THE OROMOS WILL BE THE SOLE BENEFICIARIES OF THE NEW FACILITIES IN WHICH IS BEING BUILD. IF YOU HAVE A COMMENTS TO MAKE DO SO IN YOUR OWN BEHALF. OTHERWISE YOU NEED TO REST YOUR CASE. ADDIS BELONGS TO THE OROMOS. BELIEVE ME THEY ARE EVEN MORE DETERMINED THAN US. GOD WILL BLESS THEM....

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Gacan

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 02:45 am
To whom it cons'

Somaliland u guys' refer to Northen Somalia as your "ISAAQ" homeland. Go and look at the International map on the Net. Educate u self on these maters (Clans..Ie.). When a u quot. Somaliland u mean the ISAAQ Clan. U so-call Rep or Gove't is only recognises in Burco, Hargeisa, Barbra and adjacent areas. However u don't speak for the HARTI Clan that live near by trattorias Sanage and Sool regain's. In Respect to the Democratic Majority or no majority CLAN is what mater most. You cannot subject to our own people to your interest or concisions. Their musts are a consideration. Or el's their wills be violence's conventions.

I'M WARSENGALEY born in Mogadishu. Somaliland its Isaaq dreams. We will never accept the geographical subreptions of Somalia. 100yrs ago the DAAROD Clan was separated in to four different countries in order to make them. Minority well....... well?


To the Ogden Guy's u should United first before that their cannot be Halgan. Uniat I meaning all the Ogden's including those from Kenya, Somalia and Ogadania shout have joint undisclosed AGM. other wise their will be big consequence by parsing empty independence. Go toWWW. ogaden.com or Links ...... WSLF org.com?

Peace to all somali's who fight for FREEDOM..................?

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Suudi

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 11:46 am
Hi everybody,

To Koshin

Well brother you know the name is not Ogadenia anymore, it is the Somali Regional State(region 5) within Ethiopia and that is a good name , because it is know acknowledged by Xabashis that this is the land of Somali people, thus when you Ogadenis stop fighting a battle that can't be won(military) and start working together with the other Somalis and develop the area specially economically, infrasructure,litteracy rate,health care and all other speres of life the power of the Somalis will politicaly be enough to bring about an independant state in that region. It can be called Miyii-land or Western Somali Republic or any other name it doesn't matter that is my opinion.

Nabadgelyo

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Anonymous

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 10:09 am
I know first the hand the agony and misery the Ogaden people live. I have been there. What I cannot understand or comprehend is why are they always calling for war? Is struggle only to go to war, to kill your youth and to uproot your community? Is there struggle in peace? How about educations isn't it a struggle by itself?

I do not wish my worst enemy to go through what the Ogadens go through daily. I have no other choice but to wonder.

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Anwar

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 10:29 am
Iam ISAAQ and i bleive in HOLLAY WAR against the ethiopians, and iam with the OGADENS. because they are my somali brothers and they are muslims who wanna librate their people. and of course there alot of ISAAQ people in the region. so i think this is one thing that ISAAQ and OGADEN can do to gether as brothers.
i have been to the region many times, and just to show you how they hate us, i was told to shave my beard so their soldeirs won't think iam a REBEL.

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Koshin

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 03:12 pm
Hello Team.

To: Brother Suudi

Once, again your toughs carry profound wisdom. I am very impress by your Liberal views to our struggle. I am not sure if I could argue against a peaceful approach to find a better alternative. I am sure there a lot of people who feel the same way you do. It is easy to have this feeling, because we are not there to share these people's day to day agony. We are here and enjoying this peaceful life. We have the natural rights to be treated as a person, the rule of law that protected us from discriminative arrest, rape, and killings. It seems to me you are looking at the situation under our conditions and it is possible for our views to get distorted. Let me remind you that the bases for building infrastructure, economy and education are dependent to first respecting of human rights of the individual.

I would like you to refer to Amnesty International WebPages and see for your self. For the first time Amnesty International is requesting to open up an office to monitor these activities. The Ethiopian government is reluctant to accept their request so far.I like your idea, I think it is well thought out and constructive one. In the other hand, we would not be fighting what we could accomplish through a peaceful means. I would like you to also refer to WWW.OGADEN.Com and just listen to ONLF president ADM Mohamed Omar Osman speak of how is always trying to seek a peaceful dialog with current Ethiopian regime. I think this will enlighten your current liberal view into more "realist" perspective one.

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hodan

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 06:11 pm
Hello every body I am here in the west with my children I am from ogadenia all my relatifes are there one of them died last femine I don't know what to do I am only braying for them God will give them freedom.

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Koshin

Monday, October 23, 2000 - 06:37 pm
Hello, Brother Gacan.

I am sorry if I offended you. We are only having an ongoing discussion. Please be advised that names are baseless, we are one ethnic group, one religion, one culture, and one future. We are brother and sister that need each other. Insha'allah someday we will all succeed.

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Gacan

Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 11:17 am
To:Khosin


My flow Somalia or clan's man you know as well as I know words don mean nothing to describe the current political spectrum..e.g The Majeerten clan and its leadership do NOT like the ogaden clan what so ever ( because of the DAAROD leadership) where they are in Ethiopia or Somalia for example kismaayo. Gen Morgan was setting up one Absame branch ageist the other...Allihan V Mohamed Zuuber (Rer Abdile) and also .Col.A/lahi yusuf told the Zenowi that u Ethiopian govt can keep the Ogaden as long as can provide materially and financial support for his regime, as a PUNTLAN president. As fare as the ISAAQ is concern well what can I say the truest speak for its self. Egal sends three of your ONLF MPs to killing machine of Zanawe .....historically they are your no one enemy also the North economic realise on e.g Meat export from Dir Daw, Jijiga, Mayan-mukolmo. Dag- buur, Fiq, Warder, Shinile, korehay and Godey regains. this is empirical evidence which together provide a basis for an appreciation of policy issue wich is to co-operate with Ethiopian govt.

On top off that they import Tax free good to Hargeisa to Xashin to Jijiga all the way to Dir to Addis. this makes the Balance of payment surplus.

The point is you getting Help for them must sound to Remoteness?

Like the great man say's "Nin kudilay Harkumojedo"

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ugas

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 10:03 am
koshin: did you read saudians throw some dates left in their trash cane to your people.

check pan african news.

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KOSHIN

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 06:00 pm
WE ARE VERY GLAD FOR THE HELP OF SAUDI ARABIA. YOU NEED TO EITHER POST YOUR ARGUMENTS OR KEEP YOUR INSULT TO YOUR SELF.

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hodan

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 08:50 pm
to.koshin
hadii aad nin dacat u hatlaya aad tahay maxaad magaca ogadanio u istic malaysaa sababta oo ah gobol magacas loo yaqaan manta majiro,oo waxaa looyaqaana somali region 5.mida kale aan ku xasuusiyo somalida ku dhaqan gobolkaas markii looqaybiyo afar meelod melkamid ah weeye ogaden uuna kamid yahay qabiilad ugu yaryar oo gobolkaas dega marka maxaa ku kalifay in magacaan mar hore labadalay in uu ogaden wadwado

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DIR WEYN

Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 09:00 pm
to:ogaden
waryaada hee aynu kadhaafno magacas oo aynu u bixina DIR LAND saa ayaga ayaa ugu badan,markaas ayay xoroowi dondaaye!!!

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Suudi

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 03:09 pm
TO KOSHIN:

Thanks for calling my thoughts profound wisdom, you know all people who fight for a just cause have the profound wisdom, thus your thoughts and the thoughts of the people in the Somali region are all profound thinkers.

You mentioned the suffering of the people and the human rights abuses which is sad and unacceptable.

But if the gun could solve that problem it would have but 1978-2000=12 years so the conclusion has to be that during the next 12 years nothing will change if your means of liberation is the AK47 especially since Ethiopia has among the strongest armies in Africa at the moment, the combined military efforts of all Somalis today can not beat Ethiopia so how is the Ogadenis to succed????

Aggresive diplomacy and media domination is the way in this century just look at the Iraq war , 24 hours a day either Iraqs representitive or the United states representative was propagating their message(propaganda).

Even more effective is for the Somalis to financially support the Oromos they are some 20-30 million(i think) and they can afford to lose lives and to engage their whole youth in war, but the Ogadenis are at the most estimate 2 million and with that low numbers you need as many living Ogadenis as you can get.

Realise that Ethiopia has hundred times more support than you in the western countries, so the only way forward for the Ogadenis is a change from within Ethiopia. The arab countries rely on the USA for everything so forget them all they will ever do is give you handouts when their is a starvation etc.

Finally i believe The developement of Ogaden inhabited areas and people are crucial with peace and development comes support from the west as well as east look at Somaliland although not fully recognised in many ways it is dealing with foreign countries as a nation and is the most respected in the region. Ethiopia might even let Somali region seperate(maybe) when it feels that you are a peacefull people who do not pose a treat to them.

Nabadgelyo!!!!! GUUL IYO GOBANIMOO!!!!!!!!

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Koshin

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 04:24 pm
MR. SUUDI

I am going to rest my case, you are absolutely right. Let's hope for the best in all of us. Take care my brother.
Thank you.

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Koshin

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 05:19 pm
Walaal Hodan....Sheekadu waa dheertahay. Waqtifog ayaanu Magacaan si sharaflef uga wada hadleynay. Qofkastan fikradiisa ayuu ka dhibanaayey. Haddii aad aqrisey qoraaladeydii uma aan arko in aan ahay nin aan daacad ahey. Fikradeyda ayaan ka dhibanaaye, dadka walaallaheyna sidaas ookale. Halkan uma iman inaan fikradeyda dadka ka dhaadhiciyo, ee waxaan u imid inaa wax kale faideysano. Waadna ku mahadsantahay in aad iisheegtay in ay reerkeygu ugu yaryihiin waxa dega gobolkaas.

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fuaad

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 05:34 pm
mr.suudi thank you I really wack up now all what you said is right "I think you still from my mind" as they said.
nabadgalyo.

Hodan iyo Dir wene waxaan u malaynayaa waxaad ka xishoonaysaan inaad sheegataan laakiin waxaa muuqata inaad tihiin dad ogadeniya u dhashay oo is qarinaya, fadlan keena xigmad ama ka aamusa dadka Suudi iyo Koshin baa figrado fiican hayee.

nabadgalyo.

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weriye

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 01:00 pm
anigu aan idiin wareemee iga koobiya. salaan ka dib qari jiqood dabah iyo dheeman aa laga helay. reer shilaabaa la soo sheegay in ay carigaa geedi u yihiin dhuxun baase ciidan xoog leh ka soo baxeen oo diidan weerarka qaawan ee reer shilaabo ku qaadayaan qari jiqood. Birmad aan loo kala harin baa ka yimid dhankaas iyo harti sheekh. waxaase lagu joojiyay dhagaxa buur agtiisa oo huwan baa iyana aad uga carootay sababta dheemanka looga helay qari jiqood. Reer jigjigaa ayaa sheegtay baa la yiri in ay xaq u leeyihiin iibka hore ee dahabka waxaase ku gacan sayray baa la yiri reer goday oo sheegay in ayna taa marna suurta gal ahayn oo reer qabridahare ku yiri cagaha dhulka ka qaada.

Intaa waxaa dheer in reer wardheer weerar ku qaadeen garloogube oo lagu sheegay labo garanuug ah in ay isku jiireen. reer wardheer waxay ku andacoonayaa garanuugta tigree baa lahaa. iimay iyada waxaa la sheegay in ay sayidkii soo xabaalo kiciyeen oo daraawiish dib taleex looga dhisi doono waxaase taa ha ka yaabin yirin reer xarshin.

Wararku intaa waxay ku darayaan in dad badan diyaarado loogu guray dhankaas iyo walo oo sanaawi reer adeerkiis bankii qoraxeeya daaro looga dhisay.

intaa ayuu ahaa warkiyo salaaman.

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ahmad

Thursday, January 11, 2001 - 11:34 pm
why are this guys fighting the name ogadenia,
the world knows this place as ogadenia and no
doubt about it.man go to the villages of germany
and say am from ogadenia they know,to up poles of norway its all ogadenia and no region 5 or 6....
man stop hatin on this ppl and support them..

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