     jamal | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 10:16 am
I was just wonder why are in the arab league. Just because we are muslim does not mean we are arabs. We don't even speak arabic. The way i see it arab is a race and we are not even the same color, so please clerify this for me. |
| Simba | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:46 am
Jamal the reason we joined the Arab leage is nothing but financial reason. The last government wanted the money of the rich Arab states like Saudi, Kuwait, & UAE. They even made the Arabic language official in Somalia. This all for money. |
| Mahmood | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 02:27 pm
You are quite both ignorants and it hurts to see ignorant people, but I know that most Somalis are ignorants and rascists.
Somalia had in the past many waves of immigration from Arab people from Yemen, Oman, Iraq and Qatar.
Hence, they spoke Arabic as a mother tongue and introduced it to the local people.
Urban people for commerce,educated people and muslim scholars used to learn that language cause before they were no Italian or English schools before colonialists had arrived. Arabic was the only language available if you wanted to learn to read and write and if you wanted to have a good profession.
Hence, after independance, at least 30 % of Somalis where speaking Arabic fluently and another 20 % could speak it intelligently. That made 50% of Somalis could speak Arabic.
If you don't believe me , read Ibn Battuta's travel to Somalia, read "Islam and Arabism in the horn of Africa" , read "Africa and the Africans" by Ali A. Mazrui.
That meant that our situation was not the same as in Senegal, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Maybe AfWeyne joined the Arab league because of money, but the Arabs wouldn't have accepted him without proper research. Facts were here to tell.
If Somalia joined because of money, then why did Djibouti join too, right after independance, before they could make a budget calculating the possible gain in entering the Arab league ? Your rascism has no base !! Why did Aydeed Jr. say that Somalia is an Arab state ? Why did all warlords say that Somalia is an Arab state ?
You are quite ignorant because Arab is not a race, it is a nation, a people, just like the French are a nation, English are a nation, Chinese are a nation. Chinese is not a race, French is not a race, English is not a race.
Sudan who are 95% black people speak the best Arabic in the whole world and they are the proudest arabic country and they wan't nothing to do with Black Africa. Yemen which has a black population of 40% is Arab 100 %.
Arabic has nothing to do with Islam and there is no relation. Lebanon which has a muslim population of 60 % is Arabic 100%. Southern sudanese christians all speak and read Arabic. Syria which has a muslim population of 80% has the best Arabic language scholars in the whole world. This is to prove that Arabic has nothing to do with Islam and has nothing to do with race. Maybe you grew up somewhere in the West and you have been brainwashed by tha Kufaars to become quite atheist and Arab-haters.
I know that my message will be repyed by insults and hate mongers but I will not reply to them, cause I don't have time for useless rascism. Let me tell you one thing ! Your hate will solve nothing cause in 25 years time, all of Somalia will become Arab, cause most secondary schools and universities are in arabic language, we have been deluded by the west, and we have turned more to our Arab brothers for help.
I am proud to be Arab. So please, I want replies from people who know what I am talking about (not Mad Mac), and I will not respond to your hate programs.
Godbye, Kufaar lovers. |
| Cornell | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:42 pm
Mohmood i agree with you 100%,but those recist poeple don't ever understand that,any way either you like it or not or your black or white we're proud to arabian. go visit Alcaalam alcarabi they will answer you well |
| jamal | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:45 am
TO MAHMOOD
why are u using the word "racism" i'm not racist person nor the rest of the somalian. The question that i asked was "why are we in the arab league" and coming here and kissing the arabs asses. I bet u when go to their countries they treat like a piece of •••• u fucking arab lover. Idiot, brainwashing, good for nothing motherfucker. so •••• call me "kuffar lover" u fucking arab lover, acting like u arab. The arab race is the worst fucking race.And if i see u in the i will slap from left to right u idiot. |
| Simba | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 02:39 pm
First of all you have no place in calling us ignorant or racist. I don't know how you can call me or jamal racists. There is no single word in our writing that is racist.
Second you say that all the warlords including Aydiid Jr. have said that Somalis are Arabs. Since when do we pay attention to what a warlord said. All warlords have the blood of their fellow Somalis on their hands. They don't care about anybody but themselves, not even Arabs. They are all suck-ups that want money for weapons.
Don't even compare Somalia with other countries that are in the Arab League like Sudan, Lebanon, and Syria. They have to be Arabic whether their religion is Islam or not, simply because they are Arabs. See Somalia is a country with its own unique language. Countries like Lebanon, Sudan, and Syria are basically Arabs because the majority of the peoples first language is Arabic.
I'm gonna ask you a question just like you asked why Jabuti had joined. We know that there are basically three countries in the Arab league which aren't ARABIC (Somalia, Jabuti, & Comoros). Why is it that Kenya & Tanzania didn't join the Arab League. Just like Somalia they had a lot of immigrants from Arabia. Why don't they consider themselves Arabs, eventhough their language is closer to the Arabic?
I'm gonna say it again whether you like it or not. WE SOMALIS ARE NOT ARABS. |
| mohamed | Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 06:36 pm
hello all, mohamud i think ur lost, brother we are not arabs, i agree with u arabs are our muslim brothers like any other muslims. if u say the somalis have intermarried with the local and we become africans so we are not arabs anymore. we are somalians. we are more Africans than to be Arabs.pls forget about the inferrioroty conflex thing. we are proud to be somalis and not arabs. |
| jamal | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:32 pm
Thank you My Somalian brothers simba and mohamed.
Tell them sucker that we are proud to be somalian and african not arabs.
We somalian have unique culture and we love each other. I'm gonna say this if u mohmood or cornell are related to arabs i think u have find where u came from and go back there ok, don't let me see in somalian say that u r arab u sucker. |
| Waleed | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:53 pm
Jamal, You said and I quote " We somalian have unique culture and we love each other". Is it fair to say that such a statement is despicable, outrage, and inaccurate. Beside, there is no such thing called Somalian...lol |
| jamaaal4 | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 03:25 pm
to jamal
iam sorry to say that the way u saying things are disgusting and sickening.. need to learn how to respect people..didnt u realise that you are offending ppl and posting racist remarks unlike the other brothers simba and mohamed,although they agreed with ur idea yet they havent offended no one and they were really polite...
iam sorry to say u are ignorant and not qualified enough to discuss the issue u yourself posted.
you bloody ignorantttttttt. |
| jamaaal4 | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 03:27 pm
for jamal
besides please talk like a man |
| MOHAMED | Monday, October 16, 2000 - 06:25 pm
to all somalian brother.
LET US ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER THAT WE ARE SOMALIANS NOT ARABS.I AM SURE WE WILL UNITE. UNITED STATES OS SOMALIA. THE FIVE STAR POINT, THINK BROTHERS AND SISITERS.
U WELCOME JAMAL, I GET UR BACK ALWAYS. |
| Mahmood | Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:00 pm
I told you we are Arabs man. Of course we are African, just like Morocco, Algeria, Sudan and Egypt. It's true that we live in the same continent, but we don't have the same culture as the others from Black Africa. They have an inferiority comlpex against the white man which they don't have. People from West Africa are very proud when I say I'm Somali cause we are the only black people who has directly attacked the US army and they couldn't have done it. This just proves that we are not the same, but we equal our Arab brothers from Yemen more.
We are Arab 100 % either you like it or not. I don't know what influence your rascist remarks will have on the destiny of Somalia, an I doubt it if any, cause people like you are the ones that keep Somalia backwards.
You want to eliminate a language, a culture, a way of life, a living that at least 50 % of all Somalis adhere to, while you sit comfortably in front of your tv in the US or in canada ?
Learn your history, your geography, antrophology, political science. I knew people in Somalia who were great scholars and could speak and write better Arabic than common arabs (from Saudi Arabia, Egypt...). I knew great writers in Arabic whose books are famous in all the Arab world and that wrote hadiths.
It sure hurts me to see that those prominent scholars vanished with the civil war, and fell into destitution as refugees. There work will never be equalled because life is unsecure and people like you want to kill them for no reason (just because they are Arabs).
We are Arab 100 % and it doesn't matter. |
| FAHAD | Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:15 pm
Somaliya waa dal carab ah dadkisuna ay yihiin 100%carab,fikrad ah somaliya carab ma ahan waa fikrad isticmari ah oo ay westernku ku doonayan inay somaliya ka goyan carabta si kaligeeda east africa loogu qaysado.
Siyaasaada isticmarka marwalba waxay ku dhisan tahay kala qaybi aad u taliside haddafka ugu wayn ee uu kaleeyahayna waa in somaliya loo diyariyo inay noqoto saldhig istiraatijiyed oo isra'il iyo maraykanku leeyihin.
Somaliya waa qayb aan sinnaba uga go'i karin midowga carabta xag dhaqan xag dhaqaale iyo xag juquraafiyadeed,waana state strategy wayn ah midnimada somaliyan waa midnimada carabta.
Ugu danbayntii waxaa nasiib darro ah inaan aragno dhalin somaliyed oo caqligii looga dhaqay tarikh aan jirin iyadoo maskaxdoda lagu dheliyay nacayb iyo xasad ayan sabab u hayn,hase ahaatee somaliya waa dal carbeed ama jecloow ama necboow waligeedna way ahaan doontaa haday kaa farxiso iyo haday kaa nixisoba. |
| Waryaa | Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:28 pm
Salama...
Ala Yaa Cizak!! Max'ud. Taariiqdooda taabo yaaqey.
To others:
Anaa Faarax, Bil Ax-saan, La Mushkila ay nagu heeso aaba iska yar warkiina qeelada, qubyaalada, qaca, quraca, qufaca, iyo tiin-tiinka badan.
Urur la galaayo iska gal ma'aha; particularly, Carab League.
Markii ay Soomaalia ay kubiireysay, Soomaali aan nahney ee Dalaq soo dhaha malagu galin; ee rafaad iyo mashaqo Ilaahey ug-yahey aa dood ku dhaxmartey Reer Dhago-Cas dhaxdeeda.
Nabadeey!!
P.S.:
"10-15% ereyadaada Carabi waaye." |
| Simba | Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:59 pm
'We are Arab 100 % either you like it or not. I don't know what influence your rascist remarks will have on the destiny of Somalia, an I doubt it if any, cause people like you are the ones that keep Somalia backwards.'
Why do you keep calling everybody that doesn't agree with you racist. We say Somalis are not Arabs and all you can basically say is that we're racist to Arabs. Would I be wrong if I call you racist to Africans because you believe you're not African but Arab. Find the meaning of the word (racist) before you start calling anybody racist.
'People from West Africa are very proud when I say I'm Somali cause we are the only black people who has directly attacked the US army and they couldn't have done it.'
I don't get what you're talking about Mahmood but we never attacked no US army. If you're talking about the punch of fools in Mogadishu that were defending the warlord is a different story, cause that isn't a we (as Somalis) but just a tribe, defending a killer who wants nothing good for his country.
'Of course we are African, just like Morocco, Algeria, Sudan and Egypt. It's true that we live in the same continent, but we don't have the same culture as the others from Black Africa.'
'Of course we are African.' Then what are we debating about? Just admit that we are more African than Morocco, Algeria, Sudan, and Egypt. |
| mohameed | Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:52 pm
MOHAMOOD.
as brother simba said u don't call racist everyone who disagree with you.
to be true we are not arabs. when u talking about sudan , morocco and egypt yea they arabs. what is their language? ARABIC, and what is our language, somalian. that is the difference. if ur claiming the somali language has some arabic passentage , u get know that swahili is 50 percent arabic. will that make the kenyan arabs? answer me that.
we have some arab blood, but we are not pure arabs anymore. that is why i said we are more african than arab.
African means the people who live in africa, i have white kenyan who is born and raise in kenya, he claims to be african so do the north african.they live in continent of african that is why they say they are africans but not coz they are brothers to somalis.
pls be proud of what ur are aint nothing wrong to be somalian. simba keep the good job bro. u see our brother calling us recist for just saying we are not arabs |
| FAHAD | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 04:00 pm
You guys go to a differen't library i can see all you read iswestern books,somali is an arab country why is that bothers you if yourn't racist i'm not against you but i don't agree with you and i beleive you never read history of the somalia
The truth is somalia is an arabian country as an egypt sudan no matter how and remember arabs don't need you they're is nothing good or special about you african boy,our first shuold be arabic but the colonization change as they tried to change our islam. |
| Mahmood | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 04:37 am
Nice said Fahad,
I keep telling them to learn their history but they won't. They have different definition of an Arab and an African, and their definition looks more western.
You all contradict basically yourselves : Simba says that African is a race and a nation, while Mohameed says that African is living in the African continent.
Jamal says that Arab is a white race (and says we are not the same color), while Mohameed agrees that Arab has nothing to do with race.
Simba says that they are not rascist while in the same time they treat me with these words :
"... fucking arab lover, acting like u arab. The arab race is the worst fucking race.And if i see u in the i will slap from left to right u idiot. "
Above proof, it says everything, and it means everything. It means your arguments have no base and are only rethorical speculations. I have given you arguments, books to read, history to learn. Instead of insulting my mother, give me solid proof. Tell me where it says that Somalis don't speak Arabic. Tell me where it says that we trade more with African states than Arab states, tell me where it says that we have more historical bonds with Africa than our Arabic brothers and I will accept that.
Finally, I will say that African is not a culture, it is not a nation. It means nothing to say that we are an Africa nation, an African people. We, of course live in Africa, but we don't have an African culture. There is no such thing as an African culture or a "black" culture. Africa is a continent and "black" is the colour of a skin. We are Africans of course (like Egyptians, Kenyans, Morrocans) and we are no better Africans. We have equal status of Africanhood just like an Arab from Egypt, a black man from Sudan, a white man from South Africa, a chinese from Mauritius and an Indian from Kenya. They too are Arabs, black, white, chinese, Indian and they are Africans too.
I beg you people to read those books and become more cultivated about your history because CNN, NBC or CBS won't teach you anything.
So long.
Mahmood |
| CARB UFFFFFFFF | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 10:01 am
MOHMOOD CRABTU MAXAY KUUGU SOO GURMANWAYDAY MARKAAD KAAJATA UBAQTIYAYSAY OO GAALADU RAASHINKA KUU KEENTAY HADAAD CARABTAHAY.
HADA FALASTIINIYIINTA CARABTU HAL BILYAN BAY HADA SIISAY BOQOL QOF KALIYA AYAA KADIMATAYE .MIDAKALE ADIQA BOQLKUN OO QOF BAA GAAJO KAAGA DHIMATAYE HADAAD CARAB TAHAY MAXAY RAASHIN KALIYA KUUSIIN WAAYEEN . MIDA KALE CARABTU WAA DAD DACIIF AHE MAAD YAHUUD BAAN AHAY TIRAAHDID YAHUUDA AYAAN SIDA CARTOOKALE DACIIF AHAYNE MAAD AYADA RAACDID .
ADIGU AMA CARAB RAAC YAA CABIIDII (ADOONKAYGIYAW) HAKUTIRAAHDEE AMA YAHUUD RAAC, ANIGU SOOMAALI BAAN AHAY.
MIDA KALE CARABTA YAMAN BAMBO AYAY INTA ISKU XIREEN AYAY NAFTOODANA HALIGEEN DAD KII MARKABKA KU JIRAYNA DILEEN, LAAKIIN CAYDIID SI TOOS AH BUU MARAYKAN ULA DAGAALAMAY
CARAB KUMA DACDO IN AYTOOS MARAYKAN ULA DAGAALANTO
TOODA "TERRORISM" BAA LADAHAA TAN CAYDIIDNA "WAR" BAA LA DAHAA SAASAY KU KALA DUWAN YAHIIN.
NIN RAGA HADUU ILAAHAY KAADHIGA SOOMAALI BAAN AHAY DHEH.CARAB QURUN AH BAAN AHAY HA ORAN
SAYID KII BAABA YIRIYE "MAANDHOW CALAACLAKA IGA DAA CARABI WAA NAAGE" |
| ali | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 10:55 am
I believe somebody (my friend) have more Arab blood than I do if any- he is mix blood father An Arab mother Somali- and never dare to claim to be an Arab, because he looked more Somali than an Arab.He was working with punch of Arabs and teaching Arabic languege in Malaysia. One day I visited him and joked about this very same issue, you know what he replied, this punch idiots they always joke about this dark skinned Africans (Somalis, Sudanis etc)who are trying to be like them(fair skinned Arabs).
Personally I have nothing against the Arabs but I am sure is they have something against us.
Why I are we in the Arab League? Could be totaly whole different ball game. why I said so? because if it is our benefit why question, I believe it is our benefit and we should stick to it.
be positive. |
| us marine | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:31 am
we are not arabs but we muslim. differntiate it.
if u claiming we have different culture than other blk africans, yes but do u know the other blk africans have different culture too.
example kenya has 32 tribes with different culture,language and religion so i call that alme excuse.
i will stick to be africa, i am proud of my chocolate skin, but i more proud to be muslim. |
| somali jecle | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:12 am
Fahad, Mohmod, zimba foorarsada oo futadiina fiiriya then make a determination who the •••• are you. |
| FAHAD | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 01:55 pm
Sida ii muuqata waxa isaga kiin qaldan xiriirka ka dhexeya dadka iyo degaanka iyo dadka dhaqanka.
Somalia waa dal carbeed qowmiyad ahaan dhaqan ahaan iyo dhiig ahaan,waa dad african ah dal ahaan iyo dad ahaan,mana jiraan wax iska horkeenayo labadaas waana fadli dheeri ah oo uu ilaah nagu manneystay.
Dadka qaar ayaa waxay xujjo ahaan u wataan colorka,lakinse colorka qiimo kuma laha
mucadalada noocan oo kale.
Ugu danbayntii isra'il iyo isticmarkaba waxay ku guda jiraan inay sameyan map cusub kaasoo bedeli doono Jamacada carabta silooga daro isra'il looguna yeero (jaamacada bariga dhexe)halkaasna looga saaro somaliya sudan yeman oo lagu daro East africa ama Dowladaha badda cas halka marroco libya aljeria tunisia iyo waliba muritania loogu yeero Meditarenian countreis.
Taas waxay u fudadaynaysaa isra'il iyo xulufadeeda in dalalka carabta islamka ee africa loo qaysado kooxo yar yar oo hoos taga isra'il.
Si loo hirgeliyo waxa la tashwiish lagu abuurayaa umadaha dalalkas si looga faa'iidaysto mowqifkooda,iyadoo la isticmalayo magacyo somaliyed oo wata caqliyad western.
Gabagabadii the color had nothing to do with somalian bacground,falashadu waa yahuud madow oo ithiopian ah,by the way us marine you're not somali marine so you can tell me my history watch out from bin laden and go help israil.
NO HARD FEELINGS |
| dabaylkiciye | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 05:52 pm
Keep on
Simba.
General Aideed legacy will be evaluated by many, inclucing his people. However,his show-down with the US marines does not need an introduction. Let me elaborate little bit more on the significance of that event, as an insider. Simba I am betting you grew up in East Africa,either Kenya or Uganda. You are one of those people who read may be The Economist. There was an article from this magazine " The man who made the UN monkeys". Speaking of monkeys something of which you might be familair with since you guys are closer to Rwanda or was it Congo. Any way the article stresses the cleverness and the bravery of Somali people. The economist undertood what was at stake just as as other Western Journalist who were covering "Operation Restore Hope" sympethized with Somalis. In addition it became very
clear to every one who reads between the lines that the US was serious about taking over somalia. This is exactly why the US landing in Xamar attracted hundreds of Western media. They were anticipating show-down. Aideed's camp understood this very well and they never disappointed both Western Media and Fellow Somalis. It is first and foremost Habargidir Victory and then Somali victory. Some defend what is theirs other chase monkeys. |
| Beendiid | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 02:24 am
I don't think we can call ourselves 100% Arabs. It makes more sense to say we have historical links with them. When somalis embraced islam those links strengthened even more.
For those who say we don't have a culture, look at the arab tribes in Xamar. Why couldn't they keep their own language until today? that's because they were influenced by the somali culture.
Wassalaamu calaykum,
C.K |
| SAMRIYEE | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 01:06 pm
These is very interesting discussion, if only we control our emotions and present each and everybodie's opinions,backed by fact. |
| SAMRIYEE | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 11:25 pm
Iam sorry I was away for sometime.However I came back with my reseach......
after the end of the second world war,the victors of these great war,mainly Britain&France shared the colonial teritories of the axis(Italy&Germany)in africa.Therefore as aresult of long happening of events, Somali representing politicians were asked to choose the power they want to prepare them for independence.By then the british were runing the show and perhaps the most powerful colonial power compaired to their counter part Italians.Our so called politicians,hated the british imperialist and instead choose the Italians to prepare them for independence,When actually Rome was occupied by the allied forces,(I mean they lost the war).How do you entrust your preparation for independence to a failed and occupied power over the indomitable mighty British empire?.I call these blind and ignorant decision-making.There is no known country in the world that was prepared for independence by Italy and likewise there is no known country that has been removed from finacial crises by arab finance.During hard times for many Somalis EEC,USA&CANADA were the hope for many of us,including me.My question is why are we ralling behind the arabs,when they failed to help there fellow palestinians and when you know as I know many somali brothers are being jailed and wiped,deported and branded "XIIMAARR in a so called muslim nation.The Somali saying goes"DAAN TADAA MAQAAR EEY BAA LOGUSAXDAA.I must say our politicians never looked into the long term economic reason for their people and country.I was shocked to hear our newly transitional president of the republic of Somalia was attending the arab league.when we were expecting him to advance to newer prospective direction.there is absolutly nothing to learn from the arabs,they fail islam ,they fail there glory and to be honest the century doesn't belong to them. Somali needs to think long term,beyond the circles of arabism. |
| us marine | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 05:15 am
SAMRIYE THANX BROTHER.
THAT IS IT.
CASE CLOSED. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
THANX AGAIN BRO |
| Dulkhad | Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 07:48 am
I got no choice but to disagree with Mr SAMRIYEE'S negative attitude.Its very clear that Samriyee is having a personally difference with the arab brothers.There are so many things we benefited from the arab civilisation,not to mention the greatest religion on earth we recieved through the arabs I mean the list is endless.Dont just hate for the sake of hating. |
| somaali | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 05:32 am
listen soomaali maryooley; if u think that u are arabs then u need to wake up and smell the petrole!. 'couse believe me the arabs would be the first to laugh u out of the face of the earth. what is more i would happily call my self arab hatting racist when it comes to arabs!!! i know them and i am in possition to say they are horrible creatures that have no call for living. besides do u think that thay like all those arab-loving, but-kissing, tossers who keep belly acking about somalia being an arab country, Goh! don't make me puke!!!. thay would rather kiss a whate man's arse hole than give "sadaqa" to a muslim person. |
