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     | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 01:07 pm Why are we calling ourselves arabs. When we know that we aren't arab, we don't even come close arabs or their culture so all of you people that aren't proud to be somalian i think you have no place in somalia.
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| | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 01:10 pm Anonymous, We have no place now anyway.duh...lool
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| | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 03:27 pm Dear anonymous I do agree with you on one, that we are not arabs, but to say we have no cultural ties with arabs is unacceptable, we share religion, which is the basis of our culture, the one we had before we got confused. I understand some may think we are not Africans just because we have different features compared to the majority of Africans, which in my opionion has no basis. This misconception however is not just the idea of few misguided somalis but is a shared opion throughout MOTHER AFRICA. There are no rules that requires us to cut our ties with africa or arabia, we can maintain both relations, for example, I participated two events this past week, one was demonstration against esrael's use of force against palastine, the other was preparation for Black history month which is february. Bottom line is we have strong cultural ties with the middle east and share land (Africa) with our blood relatives.
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| | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 03:35 pm Hey the Arabs rescued us from being like the rest of the monkeys that inhabit Africa who until very recently were eating each other. A Congolese friend(sort of) of mine told me recently that he loves Monkey meat very much. Bush meat they call it. He then told me that it is nowhere near as good as human meat!!!!!!! The Arabs of the old times(Khalid Bin Walid, Salaadiin) tough guys. the ones of today, not so good. No heart you see.
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| | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 03:36 pm The correct statement is,, Somalia USED to be a country in Africa ! Once upon a time, !
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| | Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 03:43 pm Anon somali fad ama ha fadin waa dal carbeed oo aan sinaba uga go'ayn caalamkisa carbeed,hadii ay kugu jirto cuqdada colorka ogow in dhiiga iyo dhaqankaba aysan lahayn color kala gooya. Kaama diidanin in soamaliya africa ku taal sida eygybt sudan libya muritanya iyo aljeria lakin at the same time waa dal carbeed dadkisuna 100%ay carab yihiin. Fikrada aad aqrinaysidna waa maskax isticmari ah oo looga talo galay in somaliya looga jaro dunida carabta si laguna biiriyo africada ay isticmarka rabaan inay ka xukumaan carabta. Intaa waxaa kuu dheer somaliya waa state strategy u ah dalwaynaha carbeed ku dheganaanshihisa gacanka cadan iyo biya xireenka Baab almandab sidaa awgeed isticmarka iyo isra'il waxay donayaan inay somaliya ka jaraan carabta si ay ugu fududaato halis galinta carab. Waxaa laga yaabaa inad la yaabtid siyaasada aan meesha la imid adigoon i waydin lakin fikrada ah somaliya carab ma aha waa siyaasad sumaysan oo westernku wataan si loo qaybsado dunida carabta siday hore ugu qaysadeen dunida islamka,lakin waxaa nasiib daro ah in dad somali sheegta ay fikradas xayaysinayaan. Ugu danbayntii ma wanaagsana in hadii ay boliska saudi arabia ku soo tarxilen nacayb u qaadid 275.000000 carab ah oo kuu aaminsan inaad tahay xubin aan sinnaba uga go'ayn
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 02:34 am here we go again, we are arabs ha!!! pls give us a break.ABDULLA i do agree with u that we are not arabs and i alway call myself african. i relate myself to arabs as my muslims brothers and africans as my colormates. xigsade. get educated. those monkeys have countries what happen to ur country, that is in islamic u call God creatures monkeys, thank u but they can lead country and they are proud to be africans, arabs denied u and the african will deny u so what will u claim to be...... uh !!! don't worry we will japanese. i stand this point we are closer to be africans than arabs.
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:46 am Arabs? Excuse me but last I remembered Somalia was in Africa. But for all my very confused and very much delusional Somali brotha's and sistah's we are NOT arabs..nor have we eva been arab. Geez, we share the same religion as them, but that doesnt make us arabs, or anything minutely close. Iska fan-faana that you're african and you're not going to end up with anything but an identity crisis. Cant we just BE somalis? The whole world sees U as being African, do you think that the arabs will welcome you with open arms once you tell them your theory? Hehee..dont lie to yourselves folks. You were born AFRICANS and you'll die AFRICANS. Peace-N-Blessings!
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:04 pm People..People..PEOPLE. Arabs are Arabs, and you Somalis are Somalis, and the last thing an Arab will think is being related to YOU. So, try to move on for Allah sake.....Geeeeeeeeeeee
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 05:00 pm And how come we live so close to them freaks. . . Something is fishy here, who's cooking it?
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 06:16 pm oooooohhh lord jesus plz help us, it seem's like none of you really know the history of somali people. Somalida waxaa iska dhaleen Arab iyo Itoobiyaan, Arabta markey ay heleen dalka somaliya, bay waxey kasoo galeyn dhinaca Itoobiya. thats why we are mixed clours most of us, most somali people are all mixed. waaxan waa wax qoran oo History ah. by Ikraam from UK.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 12:14 am lol..lol...lol...lol..@ waleed.that was funny. i believe we shouldbe proud of what we are without attacking or insulting other communities... now a very good question here: who for god sake can prove that those gentlemen(daarod ismail jebarti and sheik esxaaq)were not arabs???. history and their names proved to be arabs.but i still agree somalis should be proud to be somalis.and i agree with waleed,lets not worry about the arabs.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 01:31 am ikram, what dis u said. lord who. say istaqfurallah... who is ur lord.. it don't matter what ur are, but who is ur lord... i can believe u said that.. that is shirk and that is one of the sins God don't forgive.... i don't know sister.. i am sorry i did not asked i ur religion, you might be one of them . if ur are one of them i am really sorry i apologise. to all u. we somalis but not arabs, and no where in history it says somalis are mix of ethiopians and arabs. if u think so so why are we calling ourselves arabs not ethiopians, pls we have some inferriority complex. we are somalis ans we will die somalis. masalam.
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 05:36 am Waxaan u maleynayaa anyno waa hawiye clan markuu wuxuu aaminsan yahey in daaroodka kaliya ay carab lug ku leeyihiin oo ssaa darteed siyaad barre ugu darey Lol... yoo are also an arab by the way ugama jeedo inaan carabnimo ku faanaayo i am a moslim laakiin waxaan hada iri waa wax aad caan ugu ah hawiye clan
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| | Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 06:40 pm Armaxaa Jesus dhegta laga maqlay. . . Oh! Jesus please help us. . . Something is horribly wrong here.
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:56 pm HEBEL. wait till jesus helps you, i know ur try to joke but reallity it is not nothing to be played around with. u are asking help to jesus. do u know that is a total shirk........ shirk and murder are the only 2 sins allah will no forgive you. wahtch out
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| | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:34 pm Xoogsade so you saying you have given up inferiority to arabs.Your statement about them salvaging you and all, this diametricaly implies a direct inadvertent admission of ignorance.Such a shame we all have to drop down from the sky once in a while.What happen to all might superior atitude?Could this be a benevolece with a satin sheet covering a third degree of Malice? Giving you the benefit of the good,justicefuly speaking ofcourse.lol
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| | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 01:34 pm Mr. "Anonymous" talk about "hawiye" i didn't mention any tribes here so take your dirty mind out of this.
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| | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 06:11 pm Column write: We were savages before Arabs came and spread the "WORD" in our land. The western people have the greeks and romans as their inspiration. For us it is the Arabs. They are our brothers even though they can be irritating gits sometimes(the Saudis). My heart goes out to the heroic Palestinians.
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 12:30 am well said xoogsade.....
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 03:36 am we are Arab country in terms of cultural we have a lot of things in common besides our harnesser ware Arab however Muslims should be only one so they can fight there enemy together the question we asking our selves is how as Muslims can we be one and fight our biggest enemy west and Jewish.
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 03:36 am we are Arab country in terms of cultural we have a lot of things in common besides our harnesser ware Arab however Muslims should be only one so they can fight there enemy together the question we asking our selves is how as Muslims can we be one and fight our biggest enemy west and Jewish.
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| | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 10:21 am Some of you claim that somali's are arabs, becouse they share relgiom.My question is who are kenyan's are they English?.my point is just you are muslim doesn't mean you are arab. pakistan,iran,tukey they don't claim to be arabs, wy you?
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 06:20 am Have you ever asked your self why atleast 80% of our culture is arab, that we are far closer in culture and food to your everage yemani than your everage african . Ok we might be arabs or not but most certenly we are NOT african.
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 06:31 am shaticade not an african? If it will make you feel better keep on saying that.But if people ask - whether somalia is situated in the continent of africa - you can always say NO.Tell them somalia is in the category named 'Other Continent'.I'm sure in the application forms question you fill in the blank 'other' to your race.Ignoring the black a$$ dark as hell skin you got ofcourse.
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 10:18 am somalia is a black african nation,we have absolutely no ties with the arab-world execpt religion.I know that there some arab-wannabes who claim thet they came from some "mythical arab ancestor" in the 11th century a.d but every informed student of african history and linguistics knows thet there is no basis in this assumption.Scholars know recognize that the arab factor-except for the somalis conversion to islam is marginal to understanding the somali past.Futhermore conventional wisdom once held that the somali migrations followed a north to south route;the reverse now appears to be nearer to the truth.Similarly the once common notion that the migration and settlement of the early followers of the prophet mohamed on the somali coast had significant impact on the somalis no longer enjoys any academic support.Evidence places somalis within a wider family of peoples called the eastern cushites by modern linguists and described earlier in some instances as hamites.From a broader cultural-lingustic perspective,the cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages known as afro-asiatic,afro-asiatic languages in turn include cushitic(principally somali,oromo and afar),the hausa language of nigeria and the berbers of north africa(tuareg).Medieval arabs refered to the eastern cushites(including somalis) as berberi(why they did not refer to them as arabs?your guess is as good as mine).The somalis belong to a sub-branch of the cushites,the omo-tana group,whose languages are almost mutually intelligible.The original home of the omo-tana group appears to have been on the omo and tana rivers,in an area extending from lake turkana in present day northern kenya to the indian ocean coast.The somalis form a sub-group of the omo-tana called the sam.Having split from the main stream of the cushite peoples about the first millenium b.c(That is one thousand years before the birth of jesus christ),the proto-sam appear to have spread to the grazing plains of northern kenya,where proto-sam communities seemed to have followed the tana river and to have reached the indian ocean well before the first century a.d.On the coast,the proto-sam splintered further;one group(the boni)remained on the lamu archipelago;and the other moved northward to populate what is now southern somalia.Members of the proto-sam who came to occupy the somali peninsula were known as the so-called saamale or saamal;a clear reference to the mythical father figure of the somali clan familes,whose name gave rise to the term "somali".The samaal again moved farther north in search of pasture and water.They swept into the vast ogaden plains;reaching the southern shore of the red sea by the first century a.d.It was not until the 11th century that islam was introduced to somalis by muslim patriachs.We have been somalis for thousands of years but have been muslims for only 1200 years or less.For anyone to suggest that somalis are a mixed race is not only an Insult to every pure somali(that is the majority ) but it is also degrading and shows your inferior mentality,which has been totally brain-washed and is devoid of any pride unless you somehow link yourself to people of a totally different race(arabs).To one and all;be proud that you are a pure somali and are not tainted with any arabic blood. NOT A SERMON:JUST THE FACTS 1NY
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 04:16 pm Attention Somaliz The only ppl in Somalia that think they are arab are: * ppl who went to arab area during "calan saarkii" * ppl who where salved by arab..during their...journey *....etc..
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| | Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 07:03 pm Well said mr 2NY, I couldn't agree you more, as matter of fact I see claiming differently than what you really are is infriority complex which I found most of Somalis. You don't have to fit no one, if you don't know the fact search it. NO GUESSES. By the way I am an Indian origin who born in Somalia and proud to be it. I keep my Indian culture together with my adopted one. I don't have identity crises like most Somalis have. Be posetive.
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| | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 07:06 am Dear 2NY, Give us the source of the information where you have plagiarised your information so I can know it's veracity.
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| | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 03:28 pm Interesting discussion Ma kala qaybiyaa discussionka Pro-Arab 1.Asal ahaan ku kufaan Arab. 2.Diin kuqalad asal. 3 Ka carar asalakaaga. 4 Anaa Jaamac Factor. 5.ka agdhawow Quraysh Pro-Afro 1. Carab baan uqaxay sixun bayna iila dhaqmeen 2. OAU baan ka tirsanahay. 3. Geography factor 4. I am black so I must be African Saaxiibayaalow taariikh yar hooya. dooda maanta aad wadiin maaha mid hada bilaabatay. Odayaal kismaayo daganaa 1934 ayaa ingriiska waraaq uqorayay ayna ku leeyihiin ma nihin African ee soomaali baanay hana noola dhaqmo si soomaalinimo ah. Mida ugu muhiisan ee odayaashu hadalkooda ka muuqata Waxaa weeye Soomaaliya waa Soomaaliya We are not Arabs we are not Bantu either. Hadii aan dagaalka sokeeye ku ogaanay hal wax, waxaan ogaanay in aynaan labada ka tirsanayn. 300,000 markey jaago udhimanayeen Arab iyo Afrikaan ba lama arag, Odoyaashu miyeyna saxsaneyn. 10, sano oo cadaab ah soomaalida dibadaha uqaxday iyo kuwa harayba dhibaataday la kulmeen hadaynaan kukala ogaan cadow iyo saaxiib dagaalka sokeeye macnodaro ayuu udhacay. Waxaan ogaanay in soomaliya jiritaankeeda laga helikaro gudaheeda and No Arab, No Bantu. Sababta odaayasha soomaaliyeed ay udiideen in Lagu daro baantuuga ma ahayn qabwaynin oo kali ah Soomaalidu way diideen wax walba oo gumeysi udhow bantuuga waxay yaambo uqaadeen gumeystaha. Sidee baan iskumid unoqonaa anaga iyo dadkaa. Hadaan isdooxno islayno, heshiino, Africa ugu hormrano wax ka qaalisan soomalinimo majiraan .Hadii taa uu shaki kaagalo nagama tirsanid ha sheegan magacba. Dhalinyaroy aan dhisno wadankeena walaahi baan ku dhaartee soomaali hadaan nahay waxaan leenayahay maskaxda iyo geesinimada lagudhisi karo wadan uu soomali walba ku faano. Should we do it? In sha'allah we will. some facts for people who see Islamic dacwa as civilization process. It is historical fact that Somalis had almost all of the good qualities they posses today. Islam saved Somalia spiritually and I am thankful for Allah, In fact Somalis can claim to be the first non-Quraysh to embrace Islam. Remember the biography of prophet SCW when he sends group of the Saxaaba to Xabash for safety reasons. It is a historical fact that the Saxaaba came to Zaylac, and its more than likey that they managed to convert Somalis. However, we should be careful to see that as definitive factor for the development of modern somalia. In addition Islam also civilized Arabs, it ended some horrible caadaat such as burying girls alive which never happened in somalia. So should we say Islam saved both Arabs and Somalis, or mankind in general rather than saying "Arabs civilized Somalis" or " Eurpoe civilized almost everyone by cleaning them out"
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| | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 03:40 pm man y yall got to write essays???????
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:13 am zaawi. ur off the topic we ain't talking about who civilized us but what race are we. MOHAMOOD. i dont think the brother plaigrized the infor but it is true fact. if you completed hight school, u should know that somalis are not arabs but Africans.we have sudanese who are dark like somalis but they speak only rabic the question is if we are arabs why do we have a different language. we need to be proud to be somalis. salam
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:08 am Please feel free to go to your local library and pick up "Somalia a country study" or just type in cushitic or hamitic in your computer browser and you will find out where I got most of my Information from.The only way to know your future is by knowing and recognizing your past,so all I can say to you Mr mahmood and all you other skeptics out there is read and you will understand.There is no point in claiming something that you are not a part of(That is the arab race not religion).I was so dissapointed when I read the brother who claims that the arabs civilized us by introducing islam,this could not be further from the truth and It goes to show you how a simpleton and ignoramus who has no knowledge of his history can be so easily deceived and brainwashed.What is civilization?If it is only religion(islam)then no one else is civilized execpt the moslems!!This is preposterous,no one civilized us because we were already civilized and we had our own pre-islamic religion which professed the oneness of waq(god),only the name changed but not the principle which is the oneness of the almighty.There are some somali people who are dark but their minds are white as snow(or should I arabic),These people bear a resemblance to the african-americans who still believe in their oppressors religion,traditions and even call themselves by their slave names(Iam not comparing Islam whith oppression,this is just an analogy).I do not have anything against arabs but I do have a problem with somali people who suffer from a severe case of identity crises.Be proud of who you are and not of what you perceive yourself to be.1ny
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 04:10 pm US marine Don't take this is wrong way. But what I am saying is that somalis are somalis. we don't need Arab or African Assurances in defining ourselves. Who do you think should answer where somalis originated? Orientalist or Ibn Batuta. You are naive. You would do great service for yourself if you improve your reading skilks beacuse you will need it in college.
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 04:39 pm Somalis are somalis. All kinds different races came together and created the best race and best culture and gave them the best religion. We are not Arabs but we love Arabs like our older brothers. Sometiomes your older brother is git but he is still your older brother. We are also Africans because we are on that continent. But we share nothing but a landmass with these guys. For the slow guys: Somalis: Unique and wonderful race of people occupying the edge of the Horn of Africa. They are not ARAB, but they share a bond of brotherhood They are not AFRICAN we just share land with them. But we are under threat the Somali race. The culture is being lost......
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 04:40 pm Be careful! 2NY You are accusing others for being brain-washed when you yourself sound more like thirteenth century British anthropologist. Most of the history about third world countries is as organized as their political maps. Orientalist and other Western explorers have not only managed in writing our history: where we "possibly" originated, but more menacingly they succeded in planting it in our imagination. Finding where somalis came from is as easy as finding where languages came from. Did some people sit together and decided to create a new language? In short only God knows exactly where we originated just as he knows where particular language came from. Every discission has to have meaning. In my opinion what matters is not where somalia originated but where we are headed to. I am Somali, simple.
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| | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 05:39 pm BORING LECTURE CLASS!
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| | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:00 am Somalia used to be in the Arabian Peninsula three hundred million years ago and drifted away and become part of Africa just like the way Madagascar and India especially Sari lank separated from Africa. . . Now there were a dinosaurs and crocodiles that were part of the drifting and relocations, the dinosaurs where wiped out by the long journey from the face of the earth but crocodiles survived somehow. . So the crocodiles are originally Arabs.... Go ask them. . . C?
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| | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 02:10 pm hi somalis it was nice topic to debate becouse i saw allot somolis in live feeling to kno that thins weather is true or not. in my understanding so far about this besed on our civilaztion is we arbs no matter color and how we look. but there is one thing you forget to know somalis are from different tripes,specailly three big tribs i don't my words make ungry some somalis but the reality is Darood and Isaaq originally form arabs but hawiye not they are the ppl we can say they real african and most of them are the ppl who belived were are not arbs but question is where our brothers and sister hawiye form oringially i wana know please help if you know. don't be silly just le's use the brain wisley.
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| | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 05:46 pm marwo. thanx it is only you and who ever u said claims to be arabs. guess what hawiya are not arebs we are jews. if u are arab so why can't we not claim to be jews lol.................... that is ajoke i tell to my darood friends everytime. matter fact hawiya are somalis we are not arabs, we are very proud to be somalis. zaawi. thanx first, i would like you to teach me english bro. the second think i said we rather call ourselfs Africans than arabs. coz we are dark skin. otherwise i dont beleive in Africanism and arabs race. i am somali proud to be somali. for the language there so many language similar to arabic. like the swahili the hausas language are similar to the arabic so as the somalis language. let us be proud of what we are. everyone is civilized, not only the muslim.
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| | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 05:46 pm marwo. thanx it is only you and who ever u said claims to be arabs. guess what hawiya are not arebs we are jews. if u are arab so why can't we not claim to be jews lol.................... that is ajoke i tell to my darood friends everytime. matter fact hawiya are somalis we are not arabs, we are very proud to be somalis. zaawi. thanx first, i would like you to teach me english bro. the second think i said we rather call ourselfs Africans than arabs. coz we are dark skin. otherwise i dont beleive in Africanism and arabs race. i am somali proud to be somali. for the language there so many language similar to arabic. like the swahili the hausas language are similar to the arabic so as the somalis language. let us be proud of what we are. everyone is civilized, not only the muslim.
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| | Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 07:28 pm US marine Bro you win about the English thing. Nice reverse psychology. Should we then agree that we are Somalis and we only need inside definition. I think we should totally forget both groups and concentrate more on inside definition. You remember when we lost 300,000 people to starvation both Arabs and Afro seemed to have had different things on their mind. I strongly believe right there Somalia was defined, therefore we should not look for historical record in defining our Identity.
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| | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 05:03 pm ZAAWI. good brother, me and u now agree on each ther that we are somalis and alot of somalis will do too, so how can we convience the rest of the our sisters and brother who think they are arabs like sister marwo who is claiming that issaq and darood are from arabs with no any histrorical evidence. i know we need a lot of effort from those of us who believe and proud of being somalis to teach our people. during the cival war somali was left a lone, no arabs no africans, first i would not blame african coz they are as poor as we are, but what about the oil rich countries. they could help us for being muslims not for being arab. today most of the politicians be think that egypt was behind so many peace disagreements, coz they were exporting and importing goods with out tax and they were making many out of that. but if somalia becomes self independent egypt has to pay tax for what ever it import or exports from somalia. today we are making deals with same people. i am not anti arab but i am pro somalia. we are people of different culture and language but we are the same religion. so arabian and malaysian and white are the same to me as long there muslim. but i am not gona tilt to arabian side and claim to be arab. bye proud to be somalian.
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| | Monday, October 30, 2000 - 05:03 pm ZAAWI. good brother, me and u now agree on each ther that we are somalis and alot of somalis will do too, so how can we convience the rest of the our sisters and brother who think they are arabs like sister marwo who is claiming that issaq and darood are from arabs with no any histrorical evidence. i know we need a lot of effort from those of us who believe and proud of being somalis to teach our people. during the cival war somali was left a lone, no arabs no africans, first i would not blame african coz they are as poor as we are, but what about the oil rich countries. they could help us for being muslims not for being arab. today most of the politicians be think that egypt was behind so many peace disagreements, coz they were exporting and importing goods with out tax and they were making many out of that. but if somalia becomes self independent egypt has to pay tax for what ever it import or exports from somalia. today we are making deals with same people. i am not anti arab but i am pro somalia. we are people of different culture and language but we are the same religion. so arabian and malaysian and white are the same to me as long there muslim. but i am not gona tilt to arabian side and claim to be arab. bye proud to be somalian.
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| | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 12:32 am Assalam alaikum my dear brothers and sisters in Islam. Hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health inshallaah. First of all I would like to answer the following question by saying that you don’t have to be African just because your country is in Africa. Why do Somalia people always bring up issues that talk about Arabs or Arabia? Believe it or not us Somali’s always think about culture but forget about religion. I really don’t understand when people say “Somali and proud” or “ proud to be Somali” I mean what is there to be proud off. As a Muslim I believe that proud only belongs to Allaah (swt) and by people going around saying I’m proud because I’m so and so… that could bring up issues like racism because everyone is happy with what they have or are, that they bring other people down because they are different. I mean don’t get me wrong I’m not anti-Somali or something but when people ask me what I am? I always say I’m Muslim then I later say I’m Somali.. Not all Somalis are from an Arab background. I’m from north Somalia and my family are from a Arab background because like every Somali you have to learn your family’s name and name of your father and his father and so on………………. I don’t have anything against Arabs because to this present day some of my family are Arabs. I see Arabs people as brothers in Islam. I don’t think that Somalis are 100% Africans but I also don’t believe that they are 100% Arabs, I would say that we’re in between in other words a mixture. To me pure Africans are the people from west and central Africa. I’m studying in college at the moment a we’re covering the topic on pre-Islamic Arabia and believe it not there were Arab people in Somalia before Islam because it was a major trade root, so Arabs didn’t just come to Somalia when Islam came it was long before that. Well that all I have to say for the moment. Take care Sister fatimah Wasalam.
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| | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 01:26 pm So I see the battle is on once again. I just want to ask you pro-Arab and pro-Africans, what does Arab or African identity mean to you? It is not like we lack of an identity label, we have Hawiye, Darood, Isaaq, Digil & Midhifle, etc and for an insult we even catagoriced our brothers whom we don't know or understand their identity label as "others". Will you, the pro-Arabs, be happy if we all declared that we are Arabs and will you become a better individuals and society as a result? Will you, the pro-Africans, be even more happier if we declared the same and substitute African for the Arab? The thing is, it doesn't matter what label you decide to pick up, you will always be famine-striken, war-tourn(sp?), malitia-ruled, proud and ignorunt society so long you persist to divide and label your people. So instead of waging war of words over something you can not settle, why don't you invest the same energy over something that might make a difference to you and your people - something like individual identity. Emporing your fellow country men and women with the assertion that before anything else they are humanbeings with needs, wants, and dreams. And that we have lost that individuality to a fictional collective identity - e.g. I am "Reer hebel X" and We "Reer hebel Y" want to rule you "Reer hebel Y". In the process, we,the individuals, have sacrificed our individual needs, wants, and dreams, thus have become bankcrupt individuals forming ruined society. Now you want to "convince" me and the others that we should assume another fictional identity label: For What, may I ask? To kill, rape, victimize the opposing fictional others. For simplicity: Somalia (the country) is part of the Arab L. and the African Union Org. for a political and economic reasons. If it was up to me I'll add them to the EU and NAFTA for the same reason. Somalis are... I don't know this one. I yet to see a Somali person. Even yours truely is hung-up on being "Reer Hebel Z". If you want to define Somalis as the individuals that inhabit somalia, then what difference does it make to the common identity (Somali) whether some one is of Arab origin or African. What matters to these individuals is that we share common habitat & needs for peace and prosperity, our loyalty to these fictional identities has divided us and ruined our dreams. Time to wake up people and work for your own, not your clan/tribe, not your Arab or African, survival. Untill then enjoy the nightmare. Happy Halloween - Arab, African or Tribe A style. Wabs
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| | Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:46 pm wabs and fatimah. first people agree and disagree on everything. every motion should have pros and oppotions. i don't think there is anything wrong with the motion till it went to tribe x and y. i am telling you i am somalian and proud of. i am not arab and i am claiming African coz i am in the continent of Africa. the whites from South Africa call themselves Africans. some peopel are not getting African does not mean west or central africa. egyptian who are arabs are african they are part of OAU.so i am an African. so i am not claiming this coz i am blk but i am in the contintnt. fatima Allah also said he divided us into tribes and nation to we can easly tell each other. so allah created tribes, but not the way we somalis use it but to identify ourselves, as u said we ahve problems with a rabas nagative sister. they are our muslim brothers and sisiters just like the other muslim world. we have no relation with them other than religion. if u say arabs were in somalia long time ago, what about the east cost of africathose peopel have more arabs blood than any other africans, and they will be mad as hell when u tell them they are arabs. go and read aboutthe Afro shirazis in tanzania. and where is shirazi now in iran. i hope i am not offending anyone here. if u say is only God who is to be proud no dought sis, but we are proud to be muslims and somalis.
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| | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 07:08 am Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters, inshallaah i hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health. I would first like to say that I’m not pro-Arab or pro-African, as you would put it. I’m not saying that all Somalis came from an Arab background like myself, but what I’m also saying is that because I’m from an Arab background it doesn’t make me an Arab, it makes me a Somali. I don’t need a book to tell me that my roots don’t go back to Arabia because I know my family’s history like everyone knows their own family’s history. What applies to one person doesn’t apply to another because they maybe different. I mean maybe you’re not from where my family is from so therefore you maybe or are likely to have a different background. My family is from north Somalia and right on the coast. I know that they have an Arabic background but I would not go up to any person and say I’m Arab, I’ll say I’m Muslim then I’m Somali. Well brother, proud is different levels and as a practising muslim I try my best to stay away from proud. But every time Allaah(swt) blesses me with something whether its my religion, race , arm, leg I thank Allaah and say Alhamdulillah because all praises belong to Allaah(swt) alone. And as for the whites in Africa who call themselves African what they mean is that their African because they grow up in Africa but by blood or roots their Europeans. For instance I grow up in London that does not make me British because I grow up in the country and some of my family are from the country. I mean these Somali people are always asking me what my tribe is. I even had a friend in high school who wouldn’t talk to me because I was from north Somalia and she was from south or something and there was a tribal war, so she decided to not be my friend because of what happening in Somalia. Some Somalis always backbite my family because not all of them are Somalis or because we’re not into Somali culture as much as them but believe me they know more things then me. I think the only way that the situation in Somalia would improve is through people following the Qur’aan and Sunnah of the prophet(saw). Sorry that I’m gone of the subject a bit, the reason that I’m here is only to try and do some Dawah inshallaah. Its not to offend anyone because as you said brother not every one agrees. People don’t have to understand things the way I do. Till next time take care, inshallaah. Sister fatimah. Wasalam.
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| | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:30 pm thanx first sister i like the way u explain thinks. first u are not talking for other somalis, u said it is ur family that has arab background. then u can call urself arab or somali, that has nothing today with the rest of somalis who don't claim they are from arabs. u said somalis have arabs background but there is no prove, someone said is not approve th eonly way we are link ourselves to arabs is islam. other than that we don't have any other relation. you said whit African call themselves African coz they were born and raised in Africa. if the white skinned white s can call themselves African why can we dark skin (somalis) call ourselves African. are we not born and raised in Africa. are we not part of the continent. so we are African like the north african and the rest rest of the continent. why are so ashamed of calling ourselves african while we are part of the continent. i hope u understand what i mean.african is not a race. what is the closest word i can use here , let me say african is like Nationality. people from Africa no matter race are the only ones who can claim that title. blk American can not claim to be Africans , but they can claim to be blks and they are Americans by nationality. i dont agree with you high school friend. i am not tribalist i am not from south nor north which i can bearly understand where the north and the south of somalia coz i never being there.i totally understand what u saying, but that is maybe ur family. i have lots of friend who there family background from arabia. i am not anti arab but i don't wanna claim them. i said so many times i rather claim African than arab, coz i already live in the continent. bye
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| | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 04:42 am Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters, inshallaah i hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health. Thanks for replying to my message brother; I mean I totally and honestly do understand your point. Well I said all I had to say on this subject. I’m sure that you are all aware of the fact that inshallaah the holy month of Ramadan is coming up, a chance for us to worship Allaah(swt) and give up our wrong ways. As Muslim brothers and sisters we should spend every day as if it’s our last. Inshallaah I will try to put my knowledge to use so that it can help non-practising Muslims in this case Somalis. If anyone feels that they need to know anything inshallaah relating to Islam, feel free to ask me. At the moment I’m working on a website with some brothers from Kuwait so inshallaah I’ll give people the website address as soon as it is finish. In the mean time I’ll leave the address for a very beneficial website. It’s very authentic and got the go ahead from the best of the scholars. It contains everything from basics to higher depth of knowledge. As a Muslim sister I advice you all to check it out because there many Islamic websites that can misguide you. many Muslims today don’t look back to the Qur’aan and Sunnah of our beloved prophet(saw) or the might just use the qur’aan not knowing that the sunnah is also a revelation from Allah(swt). I advice you dear brothers and sisters to be careful from who you take your knowledge from when it comes to islam. Know that people would quote an Ayat of Qur’aan, give their own understanding. Reject authentic Hadith not knowing the sight behind that Hadith. Will act and accept weak Hadith and because of a particular way that we’re following we say that this Hadith is Seheeh(meaning authentic). The reason why I give people this advice is that there would still or always be individuals amongst the community still rejecting and refuting without evidence. When you quote an Ayat of Qur’aan understand the meaning and tafseer of this Qur’aan from the people of knowledge. When you read a Hadith know it to be authentic from the people of Hadith not from yourself. Know that islam is not what your father, friends or country say but islam is the Qur’aan and Sunnah. As muslim brothers and sisters we should not be affected by the kufr society but be the ones that affect that society. Know that a person who grows up practising islam from a young age will enter paradise. I really hope that you take this honest advice from me inshallaah. Remember that this day could be a witness for you or witness against you on the day of judgement. Till next time take care, inshallaah. Sister fatimah. Wasalam.
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| | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 04:51 am Assalam alaikum brothers and sisters, inshallaah i hope that you read this message in the very best of your iman and health. Thanks for replying to my message brother; I mean I totally and honestly do understand your point. Well I said all I had to say on this subject. I’m sure that you are all aware of the fact that inshallaah the holy month of Ramadan is coming up, a chance for us to worship Allaah(swt) and give up our wrong ways. As Muslim brothers and sisters we should spend every day as if it’s our last. Inshallaah I will try to put my knowledge to use so that it can help non-practising Muslims in this case Somalis. If anyone feels that they need to know anything inshallaah relating to Islam, feel free to ask me. At the moment I’m working on a website with some brothers from Kuwait so inshallaah I’ll give people the website address as soon as it is finish. In the mean time I’ll leave the address for a very beneficial website. It’s very authentic and got the go ahead from the best of the scholars. It contains everything from basics to higher depth of knowledge. As a Muslim sister I advice you all to check it out because there many Islamic websites that can misguide you. many Muslims today don’t look back to the Qur’aan and Sunnah of our beloved prophet(saw) or the might just use the qur’aan not knowing that the sunnah is also a revelation from Allah(swt). I advice you dear brothers and sisters to be careful from who you take your knowledge from when it comes to islam. Know that people would quote an Ayat of Qur’aan, give their own understanding. Reject authentic Hadith not knowing the sight behind that Hadith. Will act and accept weak Hadith and because of a particular way that we’re following we say that this Hadith is Seheeh(meaning authentic). The reason why I give people this advice is that there would still or always be individuals amongst the community still rejecting and refuting without evidence. When you quote an Ayat of Qur’aan understand the meaning and tafseer of this Qur’aan from the people of knowledge. When you read a Hadith know it to be authentic from the people of Hadith not from yourself. Know that islam is not what your father, friends or country say but islam is the Qur’aan and Sunnah. As muslim brothers and sisters we should not be affected by the kufr society but be the ones that affect that society. Know that a person who grows up practising islam from a young age will enter paradise. I really hope that you take this honest advice from me inshallaah. Remember that this day could be a witness for you or witness against you on the day of judgement. address from website is as follows: www.salafipublications.com Till next time take care, inshallaah. Sister fatimah. Wasalam.
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| | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:40 pm US marine It is Zaawi again, You know there is a branch in Poltical science that deals with changing and creating Identities. And it wont take two years of media attack to change those somalis who beleive Arab origin. We know exactly when particular group of somalis started to claim to have arab descent. That means we can change it too. Ironically Somalis associate nadaafad xumo,caajisbadnaan, basal cun, fulaynimo to Arab people. How then they could claim such people as origin. You now then deep down they are lying so we should not worry about them. There was this guy, somali dud in New York who studies film production he might help us in the future. But bro that is the least of our problems. I know you have good Ideas what do you think is wrong with somalia and how to go about it?
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| | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 06:05 am Assalam Alaikum brothers and sisters, inshallaah i hope and pray that you read this message in the very best of your health and iman. sorry about the fact that i sent the message twice, i forgot the website address. inshallaah check it out! fatimah. wasalam.
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| | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 05:54 pm zaawi. brother let us do that , i do know the brother in in NY pls brothet i am serious about this . let us covence our peopel and tell them that we are somalis not ARABS. some somalis think if we say we are not arab they think we are out of the islamic religion. pls we are somalis and keep in touch let us contact with each other. we are not anti arabs we are anti somalis who call themselves arabs.
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| | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 12:50 pm US Marine It is Zaawi, congratulation bro, you are the first Somali who is serious about something. I won't disappoint to you. This is my public email Zawaawi@yahoo.com I am not concerned about that identity thing. What I am looking for is somebody who cares about the shattered confidence of the country we use to call " Somalia". How do we(young) people restore that. It is ours, not for Warlords, clan politician,not for so-called traditional leaders not for Arabs and not for Africa either. Fifty years from now somalia will depend on not only what we do now but what kind of legacy we leave behind. So it is crucial that young Somalis are on the same page in number of issues, including: 1. Rising above clan loyalty not because it is against some sacred laws but the practical neccessity of leaving it behind. 2. Encouraging those of us who show the potential to make difference in the land we call home. 3. Ready to fight for what is right and decent.You have two people who want keep somalia underdeveloped column. West,on one side and the other, local forces, such as Warlord,Oday qabiil, Wadaad qabiil and siyaasi qabiil. These groups are the true enemy of somali welfare and future. Defining the problem is part of the solution. However, the most important question is what are we(young groups) going to do to make difference? Believe me our diversity in terms of clan membership is an asset not a liability if we use it in the right direction.
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| | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 05:39 pm MARWO Hi i love you all ppl i like how everything going so well i was woried about my detail if someone makes mad but i like the gentlamn who response,my dear us marine brother thanks your joke and the respones but reality iam not teasing anyone i just wana share with you my clues about that. nice conversation with you all paricipants.
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| | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 04:46 am marwo yea we jews. not u bit alot of them like u liked my joke.
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