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MEN Vs WOMEN (DEBATE)

SomaliNet Forum (Archive): Somali Women's Forum: Archive (Before Mar. 13, 2001): MEN Vs WOMEN (DEBATE)
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UkMan9

Monday, March 12, 2001 - 11:42 am
AYAAMAHAN DANBE WAXAA BADATAY IN EEDAYN LAYSU SOO JEEDIYO RAGA IYO DUMARKA SOMALIYEED.
WAXAAN JECLAAN LAHAA INAAN HALKAAN KA BILOWNO DOOD AAN ARAGNO CIDII DHANKEEDU LIICO HADAY DUMAR AHAAN LAHAYD IYO HADAY RAG AHAAN LAHAYDBA.
WAXAAN JECLAAN LAHAA IN DUMARKU BILAABAAN AMA QABSADAAN TOPIGA LAGA HADLI DOONO SI AYSAN HADHOW UDHIHIN RAGAA QABSADAY TOPIGAAN HADII LAYDINKA GUULAYSTO DUMAROOW JOOJIYA EEDA HADAAD GUULAYSATAANA WAXAY NOQON INAAN WAXAAD CODSATAAN YEELO.
BAL ISU TAGA OO TOPIC LA IMAADA.
DHAMAAD.

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TroubleGirl

Monday, March 12, 2001 - 02:11 pm
Ok let me ask you something.......
*Why R (some)somali men against women who R independent,ie; educated, liberated and confident?

Naag horumar gaartay ama u kaceyso and working hard to achieve something Ragga somaliyeed (qarkood) why ay U put down gareyaaan????

Sorry I can't complete the sentence in Somali.....U catch my drift though.......I hope?

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RAAXO

Monday, March 12, 2001 - 06:34 pm
WHY SOMALI MEN THEY DON'T HAVE BIG DICK.

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KH

Monday, March 12, 2001 - 06:50 pm
RAAXO WHERE IS YOUR KINTER??!!

IF YOU SEE ANY SOMALI KINTER LAYING AROUND ANYWHERE UNATTENDED

PLEASE CALL THE NATIONAL MISSING KINTER ORGANIZATION ON

1800-KINTER OR EMAIL US ON WWW.KINTER.ORG

AND REMEMBER YOUR CALL COULD SAVE THE SEX LIVES OF YOUNG SOMALI WOMEN

CALL TODAY AND LETS END THE SUFFERING AND THE LACK OF SEXUAL DESIRE MOST SOMALI WOMEN SUFFER FROM

RAAXO WE ARE HERE FOR YOU ONCE YOU GET YOUR KINTER BACK THAT PENIS WOULD BE ENJOYABLE.

YOURS
KHI
(NMKO)

GOD BLESS THE DEAD

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RAAXO

Monday, March 12, 2001 - 09:15 pm
KH
I DON'T NEED UR HELP,I HAVE MY KINTER BUT DO U HAVE DICK(WHEN I SAY DICK I MEAN REAL ONE NOT SKINNY LIKE U HAVE LOL?.IF UR ANSWER IS NO THEN THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO FOR U.I WILL JUST PRAY TO GOD THAT U GET A NICE WIFE WILL KEEP UR SMALL DICK.SINCE U ARE SOMALI BRO LET ME GIVE U ADVICE,KH DON'T HAVE SEX WITH UR GIRLF BEFORE MARRIAGE COX IF SHE C UR DICK.I AM SURE SHE WILL NEVER WANT TO MARRY U.AND U WILL END UP LONELY GUY LIKE NINXUN.

BY SHEELO ABRIIQYAAL.UKMAN ADIGA MA KU JIRTIT OK U ARE MY king kiss mac mac mac... u are good kisser i didn't know that i am impress now lol.UK basdheh shumiska saxiibo i have to go now xxxx.

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suhuur

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 11:54 am
raaxo are you really a woman, sister leave the men's private parts alone, do not you have any respect to yourself or even to your father.i agree with trouble girl, why most men get jelousy if their wives are independent, financialy or educationaly. let's talk something that is general not what happens in the bedroom.

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Anonymous

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 12:23 pm
Subxaanalaah, What is wrong with these people, r u jerry springer show or do u think it's funny, no way, this is embaressing, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Back to the topic.

I would love to meet a successful somali women who are capable of doing taking care of the family and financially secure but there is BUT word to it. It's very rarely to find a Somali woman with all those characteristics and a practising Muslimah. When you like someone, you like them as long as they are not changed in religion or culture or tradition. What we see is every somali woman that is gratuated from university and pursued good career and about to land a good job, they dress like they were born here, they ignore you their religion and some of them even claim that they were being slaved back home and worest of all, if you happen to meet them, they speak English and tell you they don't feel confortable using the mother language.....com'on is this the goal of going to schools and what exactly have they accomplished when they were brainwashed and only see the negative side of their culture. I am saying all the sisters do this but at least the ones I've seen so far. I am saying we are proud of you by keeping your religion, identity and going for all the things all ever dreamed about as long as it's not against Islam. In fact, I kind of like to see somali ladies that are active, inteligent, hardworker that has strong ties with Allah and Islam. Some brother also do it too, when they bacame this and that, the somali word is being taken out of the dictionary. I'm blaming my sister (coz of the confidence I got in them) that back home they were helping families by rising the children, helping moms with household and being good or best students at school. why did this chaged all of the sudden when they come to here. Dugsiyada soomaaliya badanaa gabdhaha ayaa noqon jiray ardeyda ugu fiican oo gala heerka koowaad. After all, every society depends on it's backbone and women are the backbone of the society, reaching our goal depends on you sisters out ther so don't turn us into westerns by changing your culture and relgion.

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bad2thebone

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 01:34 pm
Anonymous a very good point my brother

I couldn't have said it any better.

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jama

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 02:01 pm
some men would see an independent woman as a treat. if you flip the coin you can see the counter affect. she easily can slip from your hand meaning when conflict arise she will impose authority and that would kill most men.

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raaxo

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 07:09 pm
Hey suhuur do u think it's ok when they talk about our private part?.

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LiBiN

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 07:22 pm
Raaxo,
i doubt your feminity!!I dont think any Somali girl would write things like that.One of you guys have to pretend to be girl, so they could win the debate.thats low!


anon,
I think you get off the Question! the girl asked why do you(MEN) got problem(or against) independent,educated,liberated and confident women!I don't think its anything to do with religion or culture unless you hinting all educated,successful girls r not religious?? or religious girls arenot educated,successful....?!
or if you implying our culture and religion doesnt allow women to succeed!
you explanation can be twisted in different angles bro.
there r alot of successful religious girls who r doing pretty well.by the way what you meant they change their religion and culture???just coz the girl doesnt wear hijab,doesnt mean she is not muslim.you cant judge the book by its cover!!you cant call/say someone she left her religion(shirk) unless you definitely know for sure. and Somali language,i believe its what alot of Somalis assume if they see educated one.if you talking about the younger generation,well,its same between boys and girls.
back in Somalia its not every Somali woman was just housewife and raising kids,some of us have educated and working mothers,even though the number wasn't much.
Are you saying girls in this western world shouldnt go to schools?just stay home and wait for some husband and get married and raise kids....well you assuming that is Somali culture they supposedly left. anyway if its so then you r preaching the wrong stuff!!you r contradicting yourself!I dont agree with you bro.


T-girl`s Q:
I think Men get threatened thinking that his woman wont depend on him or need him.as Jama said little conflict might him think loosing her.or she might stand/support on her points using her intellectual opinions which is more reasonable than his.
its not only that kinda girl`s guy who feels the threat,its usually most of Somali men whoever the girl interacts with,and if one doesnt interact with them ,men blame her saying things like she is westernized,lost or she looks down on us......

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T-GIRL

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 03:55 am
ANONYMOUS # 1
Salaam brother. Your points were well received. But all I am asking you is WHY R U CONVEYING YOUR POINT IN ENGLISH? U should have said it in Somali, as U R being very cultural and patriotic in here. And please don't perceive the negative of the Somali sisters......There are millions of us who try to get their career, work ,capable of running a household, educate themselves and are practising ISLAM, in all aspect of the term. Maybe U haven't met them in your town........but trust me there are.

I hope my words help restore your faith in SOMALI WOMEN and U bar all the negativity that U have of us..

Macasalama

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UkMan9

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 07:49 am
A/calaykum dhamaantiinba.
AADBAAN UGU FARXAY INAAN MAANTA AKHRIYO DAD SOMAMALIYEED OO WAX GARAD AH WAXAA AAD IIGA YAABIYEY SIDA HUFAN EE HADALLADA SHARAFTA LEH LAYSU WAYDAARSADAY IYADOON WAX CAY IHI SOO GELIN.

SUAASHA HADAAN USOO NOQDO HORTA QOFTA LA YIRAAHDO TRUBLEGIRL WAA QOF CAQLI LAY AH SIDAY WAX UWAYDIISAY KHATARTEEDA WAXAAN UGA DAN LEEYAHAY WAXAY TIRI (SOME SOMALI MEN) QOFKII YIRAAHDA ANIGU KAMA SOO HORJEEDO WUXUU SOO GALAYAA KUWA KA BAXSAN sOME TA AY SHEEGTAY. LOL.

ANONYMOUS RUNTII WUXUU SHEEGAY INUUSAN KA SOO HORJEEDIN GABAR HORUMAR SAMAYSAY JECLAAN LAHAANA INUU LA KULMO MID. LAAKIINTUU RAACIYEYNA MA AHA MAJIRAAN GABDHO WAX BARASHO IYO SHAQO ISKU HELAY OO FIICAN YACNII DIIN LEH EE WUXUU YIRI WAA YARYIHIIN MA BADNA.
WUXUU YIRI (I would love to meet a successful somali women who are capable of doing taking care of the family and financially secure but there is BUT word to it. It's very rarely to find a Somali woman with all those characteristics and a practising Muslimah. )
SUAASHII LAYS WAYDIIYEYNA WAXAY AHAYD.
(Why R (some)somali men against women who R independent,ie; educated, liberated and confident? )(Naag horumar gaartay ama u kaceyso and working hard to achieve something Ragga somaliyeed (qarkood) why ay U put down gareyaaan????)
HALKAA WAXA KA MUUQATA INUU JAWAAB WAAFIYA KA BIXIYEY.

LiBiN GACALO ADIGAAD MOODAA XOOGAA INAAD SUAASHII KA BAXDAY INANTU MA ORAN (why do you(MEN) got problem) HADDII SUAASHU SIDAAS AHAAN LAHAYD JAWAABTEEDU SAHAL BAY NOQON LAHAYD.

ANYWAY ANIGA MARKAAN ARDAYGA AHAA OO SAMAYNAYEY DEGREEGII IIGU HOREEYEY(BEng) WAXAA ILA DHIGANAYEY TODOBA GABDHOOD OO SAMALI AH RUNTII HAL MID BAA KA AHAYD WAX AAD KU TILMAANTID MUSLIM KUWA KALE WAXAAD KA ARKAYSAY DHIBSASHADA AY DHIBSANAYAAN INAY SOMALI YIHIIN MAAHA WAXAAN KA SAMAYNAYO MARKAAN SOMALI SOO QAADO WAXAY DHIHI JIRAAN NAGA DAA DADKAAS MAGACOODA BEENTAY MAAHA WAX LIITA OO BADOW AH AYEY LA AHAYD MUSLINIMANA HASHEEGIN WARKEEDA.
MARKAAN DEGREEGA LABAAD SAMAYNAYEY (MEng) WAXAAN JAMAACADAAS OO KADUWANAYD TII HORE DHIGANAYEY 12 GABDHOOD RUNTII IYAGANA LABAA MUSLIN U EKAA.
HADDABA WALAALAHAYGA MACAANOOW IIDINKU XUKMIYA MAXAA BADIYEY TIRADA KUWA DIINTA IYO DHAQANKEENA UHAYSTA INUU DIB INOO DHIGAYO OO KA FAANA.

HADAAN KA JAWAABO SUAASHA TROUBLEGIRL...
GACALO SIDAAD U JECESHIHIIN INAAD GUURSATAAN NIN WAX BARTAY OO MUSTAQBAL DHISAN LEH AYAA NIMANKUNA U JECEL YIHIIN INAY GUURSADAAN GABAR WAX BARATAY OO MUSTAQBAL DHISAN LEH.

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LiBiN

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:03 am
UKman9,
walaal waad ku mahadsan tahay sida wanaagsan aad fikraddaada u dhiibatay.
walaal markaan u soo laabto mawduucii horta hor iyo horraan sidaan u soo xigtay ama u fahmay su`aasha T-girl waa sidey wax u weydiisay in kastoo aan ku hor qoray 'got problem" against" 'laakiin waa uun isla sidii ay su`aasha u weydiisay.
walaal wali sababta aad bixisay oo aad anonymous ku raacday maahan mid runtii caqli gal ah.haddii aad leedahay gabdhuhu maysan xiran jiray xijaab diinta islaamku intaa uun kuma eka,Dhaqan ahaanna haddaad eegto hiddaha Soomaalida gabdhuhu maba xirtaan oo waxay miyiga ku qaataan marada guntiimo ah oo garab banaan madax malo lagu daboolo iskaba daayee.waan la wada soconaa in xijaabku la faray gabdhaha,laakiin ma oran kartid xijaab la`aan diintii ayey ka baxeen.haddaase sababo kale heysid waa mid kale..!
runtii dhaqan ahaan haddaan soomaali nahay rag iyo dumarba wax kii saxa heysta ama raaca ma jirto.ragguba way ka dheer yihiin,cid ku eedeysa wiilka wax bartay taana ma jirto.
Arrintan ah in raggu soomaalida(qaar) ay ka soo horjeedaan ama aysan ka helin gabdhaha wax bartay amase bartaba maahan mid cusub oo hadda uun la arkay.Hooyadey markey jaamacadda dhiganeysay macallin ka mid ah macallimiinta si aan dadab ku jirin ayuu ku oran jiray gabar inay wax barato waa khalad, blah blah....illaa iyo heer uu gaaray inuu fasalka ka saaro markii xisadiisa la soo gaaro taasoo uu ku andacoonayo inay tahay gabar kaalintii wiilasha qaadaneysa!maamulihii jaamacadda oo xag soore ah ayaa arrintii soo dhexgalay khaladkana macallinka saaray markii ardaydii ku marhkaati fureen kuna amray macallinkaa inuu sidii saxa ah oo caddaalad ah wax u wada baro ardayda isagoo aan u eegeynin waxay yihiin laakiin abuurid iyo dabeecad lama baddali karo.walaal raggu isku mid maaha,kan waxbarashada la jeclaaday oo geeyey Dugsi hoose,dhexe,sare illaa iyo heer jaamacadeed waa nin(Awoowgey),kuwa la gacan qabtay oo dhinac taagnaa waa wiilasha walaaheed.
marka walaal nimanka noocaas oo kale ah(macallinka) waxay u arkaan in qofta dumarka ah oo garaad iyo wax barashoba isku darsatay inay iyaga ciriiri galinayso ama ay kaalintooda qaadaneyso.
kii aan wax baranna warkiisaba daa!

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UkMan9

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:23 am
LiBin gacalo maxaan ka hadlaa warkii oo dhanba dhamaysay intaan dhihi lahaa oo adaa yiri (walaal raggu isku mid maaha,kan waxbarashada la jeclaaday oo geeyey Dugsi hoose,dhexe,sare illaa iyo heer jaamacadeed waa nin(Awoowgey),kuwa la gacan qabtay oo dhinac taagnaa waa wiilasha walaaheed).
next time wax iisoo reeb aan dhaho haye dheh gacalo adigaa gartii isku naqay. Macallinkuna waa hal qof ardada xataa gabadha u markhaanti kacday waa wiilal (niman)lol.
runtii wiilashu waa jecel yihiin gabar wax baratay waxayse ka sii jecel yihiin tan diinta baratay ok gacalo.

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Anonymous

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 05:20 pm
Asalaamu Caleykum

Waa anigiyoo soo laabtay mar labaad. UkMan9, saaxiib aad iyo aad ayaad ugu mahadsan tahay sida wacan ee aad hadalkeyga u fahantay, waxaan ku leeyahay xikmad ayaa kaa buuxda isla markiiba hadalkeyga dulucdiisa ayaa ku dhacay.

LiBin:

Walaal waad ku mahadsan tahay midna ogoow inaan disagreement noqon karno meelaha qaarkood ayadoon ficil uusan iman, ma oran dumarka oo dhan ayaa diinta ka taga mar hadey heer jaamacadeed gaarto laakiin wey u badan yihiin inay mujtamaca soomaaliyeed u arkaan uncivilized dhaqankoodana ay u maleeyaan mid laga tagay oo aan wax harumar ah ku jirin. Tusaale, gabar ayaa college-ka wada dhiganaa waxey soo xirato walaahi adigaa ka naxaya, markaan maaro u waayey inaan subax walba ka soo hor boxo ayaan is canaantay oo is iri nabi miyaa soo bixi doona ee maxaad inanta uga aamusan tahay; subixii dambe ayaan isku dayey inaan is barano oo aan study wada suubino yacni si aan u dhex galo oo aan nolosheeda wax ka ogaado, markii aan ilaa xad bartay ayaan danteydii oo aheyn inaan jiritaanka Ilaahey xusuusiyo ku bilaabay wacdi; Ilaah baa ogaa wixii iga raacay; jawaab waxaa la iiga dhigay "this is america, the land of freedom" hadey saas noqotay waan ka gaabsaday balse wili kama rajo dhigin inaan mar labaad si fiican ula hadlo; sheekadaa ila tagtayee, waxaan ka wadaa raga badanaa xishood ayaa ku jira waloba uu xumaan ku dhex jiro laakiin dumarka marba hadey tagaan wey ku daayeen, kama wado kuligood laakiin yaanan bakheyl noqon, waxaa jira kuwo badan oo aniga diin iyo dhaqan wanaagsan waxaana u rajeynayaa inuu Ilaahey u badiyo laakiin dumaroow waxaad tihiin hooyoyinka umadda hadey wrong way qaadanna dhalinta soo keceysanna wey marin habaabayaan. Cilada kalena waxey tahay, dumarka intooda badan markey waxbartaan waxey ka tagaan ama ka caajizaan inay reer yeeshaan. Laakiin ha ii arkin sida macalinka aad tilmaantay anigu waan ka duwanahay mid adigoo kale ah diinta gowska gadaal ku heysata dhaqankana ka muuqato, waxbarasho iyo technology-ga maanta jirana gaartay ayaan ku riyaadaa inaan helo. I don't like inaan si personal ah u hadlo balse let u know my oldest sister is Medical Doctor, waana gabar soomaaliyeed and she's my role model.

T-Girl;
Sister, maadama qofka su'aasha bilaabay uu English ku qoray ayaan jeclaaday inaan English ku qoro si uu u fahmo maxaa yeelay waxaa jira dad badan oo luuqada hooyo aanan akhrin karin (ceebna ma aha, laga yaabaa inay fursada ay school ku dhigtaaan helin markey wadankii joogeen) marka ixtiraam darteed ayaa saas u yeelay. Mida kale, dumarka dhanka xun kaliya ma eegin so anigii yiri waan ku kalsoonahay inay yihiin dad karti leh, wiliba ragana waan tilmaamay ceebtooda ee xageed iga maagtay ina adeer. Sidaad tilmaantay adigaba wey jiraan dumar badan oo waxbartay, shaqooyin fiicana heysta balse nolosha aan raadinayo ma ah mid labadaas kaliya ku eg ee waa inaan xooga saarnaa diinta maadaama ay ayadu tahay mida hareysa aduun iyo aakhirona ku badbaadineysa.

Raali ahaada waan idinku dheereeyay.

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AliciaBett

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:36 pm
I have a question for UKMAN9...

I was wonderin' why most somali men nag like females? This is just out of curiosity, because I've come to realize that men(the ones I'm usually attracted to) that they're just big old babies.

I don't mean sugardaddy's either, I'm talking about 21-26yr old males. Whatever happened to being a real intelligent man? Are they out there or the big babies is all we have left?

I hate to say this, but most of you guys are nothing but pitiful men. Wallaahi, I have yet to find a man with my standards.

Look@what this discussion turned to? KINTIR AND DICK? HOW PATHETIC IS THAT?

TO ALL OF YOU MALES OUT THERE WHO ARE READING THIS.

THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF GIRLS OUT THERE.

1. The teenager type, she is between 14-18, typical everyday ho*, and she gets around, almost everyday...(don't confuse them to all females)

2. The typical, I am "muslim" I wear "hijab", I am "shy", but they still be ho'in' around....I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU FEMALES OUT THERE, HIJAB IS OUT OF STYLE. (no offence to the real muslim sisters)

3. The intelligent, independent type...ME, I do my sh*t, I don't give a f*ck about what others say...but I have my respect and so do people I know...my friends and family know what the deal is. So, even though somali pple are known to gossip, whoever they are, I ain't the type that gets into this type of ••••...I personally think y'all sad pple(for those of you that know what I am talking about) not all of u, becuz there are some decent somali human beings out there...

There are many types of males....let me list a few LADIES...

1. REER BAADIYO TYPE....THEY DON'T KNOW ••••, THEY THINK THEY'RE ALL THAT...AND THEY CAN'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.

2. DULI TYPE, HE HAS NO LIFE...ALL HE DOES ALL DAY IS SLEEP, I BET HE CAN'T EVEN GET UP AND LOOK FOR A JOB..AND HE IS STILL IN 10TH GRADE FOR THE 5th SEMESTER...

3. I LOVE YOU ON THE FIRST DATE TYPE, THEY'RE SAD, THEY'RE PITIFUL AND THEY MAKE ME WANNA THROW UP ON THEM...THEY USUALLY COME UP WITH THE LAMEST LINES...AND I THINK Y'ALL JUST NEED TO GET A LIFE..RATHER THAN STAND IN CORNERS ALL DAY AND BAD MOUTH FEMALES ON SOMALINET.COM...FIND A JOB, GO TO SCHOOL FOR A CHANGE AND GET INTO CLASS IN TIME......

4. THE GOOD LOOKING TYPE, BUT THEY HAVE NO FUTURE...THEY THINK BECAUSE THEY LOOK GOOD, THAT I'M GOING TO LET IT SLIDE...IT DOESN'T WORK MY BROTHERS...LOOKS ARE DECEIVING, I HAVE HAD MY SHARE OF GOOD LOOKING NIGGAZ, BUT THEY'RE UGLY INSIDE...THEY HAVE NO BRAINS, THEY CAN'T THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY'RE POST SECONDARY DROP OUTS...AGAIN, WITH NO FUTURE.....


SO, HERE IS WHAT Y'ALL CAN ARGUE ABOUT, CURSE ALL YOU WANT, BUT WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL ANY BETTER?

IMA TELL YOU PPLE RIGHT NOW, CURSE ALL YOU WANT...NO ONE GETS OFFENDED HERE..BUT I PREFER A CLEAN DISCUSSION, LIKE UKMAN9 SAID ABOVE..SO...LETS DO THIS.

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bad2thebone

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 10:14 pm
Alicia

There's nothing I love more than a young somali woman like yourself, running around advertising her degree as if the entire world depends on it.halaluuja. here we got another problem solver!

Girl,did it ever occurred to you before you grabbed a seat and sat your fat ass on a little tiny chair and reached for the keyboard,with one thing on your mind which is I hate somali men.did you stop to think and realize that not all of us somali men are losers,there are those of us who work hard and study hard,somali women are not an ALL ho group'of course excluding you since you have admitted to being a one"

I believe there are losers in both genders in every nation.I just feel sorry for that poor father of yours who spent money,time and energy and got you out of the war zone, said goodbye to his fellow countrymen and his childhood place to bring your sorry unartful ass to CANADA,USA,or EUROPE ,thinking you will learn something useful .but look what you turned out to be!A complete BITCH.

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LiBiN

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:57 am
anon,
thanx for the reply.and thanx for being true,debatable gentleman.
i know we can disagree but shouldnt insult one another.if you felt like i insulted you in my other posting, plz accept my apology.
walaal waxaan kugu raacin waa sababta aad sheegtay oo ah inay diinta iyo dhaqanka ka dheeraadaan.waa midee tusaalaha aad bixisay oo ahaa gabadha college-ka kula dhigata,way jiraan gabdho sidaa iyo wax la mid ah u labista,waadna ku saxsaneyd inaad la hadashid,jawaabtey ku siisayna waa mid khaldan.way oran kartey "Walaal mahadsanid laakiin waa dookhey ama aniga iyo Allah ayey inoo taal" jawaabteeduse waxay noqotey ....!
walaal taan ku leeyahay waxaa weeye muxuu noqon lahaa "reaction" -kaadu haddey gabadhaasi maalin college-ka u soo xiran laheyd guntiinno garabka bannaan ama dirac khafiif ah oo garbaasarta dhinac laga tuuray???waxaan hubaa inay taasina qumanaan ama laheyn!!walaal marka dhaqankeenna soomaaliga wuu ka duwan yahay kan diinaga ah!taad leedihiin dhaqankii iyo diintii ayey gabdhaha ka dheeradeen ismaba waafaqsana!! xijaabka iyo jalbaabkuba waxay soomaalida soo gaareen sanadihii danbe,qaxii iyo dagaalka ka dibna way sii batee.ka hor runtii gabdhaha inamaha ah(miyi iyo magaalaba) madaxana wax ma saaran jirin noocaa aan kor ku soo xusay ayey u dhar xiran jireen oo inoo dhaqan ah.hooyoyinkana ilyar ama shaash bay saaran jireen.kuma oranayo diiniyan waa sax,laakiin sidaa ayaa inoo hiddo iyo dhaqan ah.
Aniga shaqsi ahaan intay gabari soo xiran laheyd guntiimo ama dirac khafiif ah oo ay college qurbahan ku tagi laheyd waxaa igala qurxoon iyadoo goonno ama surwaal gashato!!
Tan kale Soomaali haddaan nahay qofkii wax barta ama horumar gaara waxaan jecel nahay inaan khaladaad uun ka helno,ceebihiisa sheegno.marnaba uma oggolin inuu qof kaayageen meel gaaro.intaan ku dayan laheen ama tusaale(xagga fiican ah) ka dhigan laheen ayaan isku daynaa inaan la harno.of coarse we all have faults wether its our ways of living,dressing,behaving.....!After all no one is perfect!
Walaal taad leedahay "mar hadday dumarka tagaan way ku daayeen" runtii qof kastoo halaababa way adag tahay si uu u soo noqdaa rag iyo dumarba.
shay kastoo xun waa balwad(addiction),sida qofka khamriga cabaa ama jaadka daaqa uusan isaga deyn karin oo uu u qabanayo, wax kastoo xun qofku ugu noqnoqdaa.laakiin walaal Allah waa soo hanuunin karaa,waana Qafuura Raxiim.haddaad diin iyo dhaqan laga dheeraado ka hadlaysana runtii wiilasheena dhalinyarada ayaa illaa iyo heer xun lunsan oo Ratio-ga wiilasha/gabdhaha waa 3-4:1.
tan kale aad tiri "dumarka haddey wax bartaan waxay ka dheeraadaan ama ka caajisaan inay guri yeeshaan" walaal aniga arrintan kuguma raacsani,
waxa daliil ah keen,pllz hal qof oo aad aragtayna tusaale ma noqon karo.

PS:congrats to your big sister`s success,i am sure she`ll set a Great example for alot of young ppl.where does she practice now and what field??if its too personal dont answer that,i understand.

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UkMan9

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 10:00 am
AliciaBett gacalo hadaan ka jwaabo suaashaada inkastoon aanan fahmin qotadeeda(macanaha ka danbeeya) taasoo ah "I was wonderin' why most somali men nag like females?".
Gacalo horta meel fiican ayaad ku dartay nimanka mar hadii aadan lahayn like Dog, or Pigs, ama wax ka sii liitaba hadaad ku soo dartay human like you and our sisters arin xun maaha. Sababtoo ah hadee adigu ma qof liita baa tahay? jawaabtu waa maya. naaguhuna waa adigoo kale inaan liido oo dhulka dhigto maaha qofkaad yasaysid iyaga ku tilmaantid soo khalad maaha!!!!!!.
Haddii aad ka cabanaysid masuul ma qaadi karaan nimanka aan la kulmay aa suaashaadu sidaas tahaygacalo meelihii laga helo jiray kuwa macquul ka ah oo wanaag iyo xumaan kala garanaya, yaaqaana sida gabal loo dhaqo ama loo wanaajiyo wadnaheedana la gaaro maad tegin.
Hadaad club iyo wax la mida karaadiso Real man umalayn maayo in laga helayo.
Waad ku mahad santahay qodobada taloda ah ee soo jeedisay iyo aragtidaada.
Waxaanse anigu kugula talin lahaa..
1)aamin naftaada waxay tahayna ku soco hana iska dhigin qof aadan ahayn haddii kale meel ma gaaraysid.
2) qofkaad rabtay is out there some where laakiin waa inaad bixisaa chance markaad qof baratid hadduu noqdo kaad rabtay that is it u get ur man if not waxaad oran saaxiib sheekadaan ma sii socon karto.
3)qofkaad aragtidba ha oran kani waa faarax, kani caqli ciyaal intaadan hoos ahaan u baran looks aint every thing.
4)Ogoow naftu waxay nasataa markii qofka ay ku jirto kaa dhaadhacsho waxay tahay, kana ilaaalsho inay iska yeelyeesho waxaysan ahayn.................

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Akhyaarka

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 10:49 am
UKMan9:
Aad ayaad ugu mahadsantahay Topic-gan aad bilaawday iyo sida hufan ee aad mar kasta ugu doodid pages-ka kala duwan ee Forum-kan.
Waxaan adigoo raali ah ku oran lahaa waxaa fiicnaan lahayd oo qurux badan inaad isticmaasho kalamada Dumar instead of Naago.
Thanx.
Akhyaarka

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AliciaBett

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 12:08 pm
TO: Bad2theBONE

I don't think you really understood what I was tryin' to say..neither have u had the time to wait and re-read my post.

I never generalized men, I know there are few decent ones left in the world...Wherever they are...and for U to call me a b*tch?LOL as if that will do anythin'...so, what? I am the baddest b*otch there ever was...but does that mean I be goin' around ho*n' like ya self and others?LOL

I am a b*tch and there is no doubt in my mind...becuz I put individuals such as yourself down and make their blood boil, therefore I am a b*otch.

How the hell do U know who brought me here? Wherever I am? How do u just assume that my father brought me to the western world..as u have mentioned beforE? WHy couldn't it have been my mother or any other person?LOL

Let me just state that, whoever brought me here, is non of your concern...

I've made my myself, my family, my friends proud...I've accomplished alot more than U will in a life time...I got all I need, and I am happy...

Now, I wanna know how U know about my fatass? I think U must be one of them stalkers that be stalkin' my ass...Becuz, indeed I have a nice ass, "futo" is what my pple call me...and I am proud to have a fat booty...thats just me, I aint conceded but I sure know how I look...but that aint somethin' you will ever find...U won't see me, therefore, aint' no point in discussin' my fat ass or any other parts of my body....its nonsense

If I hit a nerve when I posted this message, well I am sorry that i hurt your feelings, you sure are a sensitive dude...Where do U fit in all the list I posted...? U ain't no number #1, I'm assumin' number#2, or #3?

Well, if you think that i was just posting this for all men and I was hating on all of them, thats not it.

I love my somali men, I was just talking from experience and the ones I've met...(U really weren't payin' that much attention to the actual words, rather than jumpin' to conclusion, just a typical small minded individual u r..)


UKMAN9, I really didn't understand much of your response becuz it was all written in somali....but let me comment on the ones I did understand...

"if I look men in the wrong places, such as night clubs?"LOL

UKMAN9, U really don't know much if U think that I be searchin' men, I don't, men just find their way around...but that doesn't mean I Don't go out and have fun....like I said, pple meet pple...and thats the ones I usually end up meetin'...and I just pointed them all about, I didnt male bash or anythin'...so, before u start to act all hardcore on me, think. (make use of the brain)

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bad2thebone

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 01:23 pm
yeah yeah advertise your full of stretch marks,crappy ass.

And no hon I don't fit in any of those category unlike you.

I got to go to work but I'll be back later on to comment on your frustrated soul.

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Duqyar

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 02:58 pm
Since i couldnt read everything and every answer that everybody wrote i am going to comment just on what troublegirl asked. and my answer is that most of Somali men are confused in Western countries are confused. they dont really know what they want. On one hand they wanted an educated, independant, hardworking girl and on the other hand they want that innocent girl that they can train like a puppy. and unless we can find a cure for this disease among Somali gals then we are in deep trouble

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UkMan9

Friday, March 16, 2001 - 03:20 am
AliciaBett gacalo horta waxaan sooomaali ahayn wax ku soo qori maayo laba sababood awogood
1) qof soomaaliya jooga ayaa emailkayga ka helay meeshaan oo iga codsaday inaan Somali wax ku qoro.
2) waa luqadaydii iiyadaanna ku caana maalaa if u know wut i mean lol.

gacalo waxaan ka jawaabay suaashaadii oo qura xoogaa talo ahna waan ku siiyey ee personal kuuma soo ataagin. ee waxaad samaysaa ku noqo waxaan soo qoray oo akhri si tartiib ah, ka bacdi waad fahmi doontaa inshaallah. Hadda waxaan ka jawaabo uma jeedo sababtoo ah adigaabaa marna haa leh marna maya. hadaad tiri club ma aado marna leedahay (but that doesn't mean I Don't go out and have fun....).
I think gacalo inaad saaran tahay widl horse inaad ka soo degtid maaha ninkaad aragtaa ama la kulantaa wuxuu kula ahaanayaa waxaan maskax lahayn sidaad anigaba igu tiri (use ur brian)......lol

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aliyah

Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 09:50 am
aleciabett:
Sista, u forget the type of men who all they care about is satisfaction. nothing else

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FATIMA

Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 11:16 am
to all

1. some old story guys please wake up and stop useing bad word!! after all we are ( MUSLIMS) right. i hated to see what we will be like ten years for now. please respect each other and try to see what others are trying to say before you start tapeing thing that dont make sesne ok.

2. why can we just stop acting like litter kids.
3. all of you have good and bad point that is life is you dont what ppl to disagree with you maybe your still a kid. we all have opionins why should one dogg other just becouse he or she dont agree with you. wake up ppl we are loose respect of out man and women.
TO ALL SORRY I GOT OUT OF THE SUBJECT. it sad to see what we are calling each other.
IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME PLEASE PPL DONT DOGG ME OUT. i just want the best manner for all brother and sister. :)

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T-GIRL

Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 12:50 pm
ALICIA
Girl U better watch out......These people don't like women like you. U know the type....educated, outspoken, opinionated type........Pretty soon U'll have your own forums page named after ya.........And a couple of hate mail sent to ya......But if U R anything like me......U'll survive and put all the loserz in their caves.......where they crawled out of.....

All the best sis

PEACE

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UkMan9

Saturday, March 17, 2001 - 02:30 pm
Dumaroow markii wax la idinka sheego ayaad qaylin doontaan bal akhriya waxa ay la soo shirtageen hablahan yar yar ama caqliga badan cajiib. Hadaan hadallana waa af salax ku dheg hadaan aamusnana gabar yar oo aan faraheeda kala aqaan ayaa daf ku soo leh... war inta wax isku fashaan sidii hablaha somaliyeed u hadli jireen oo sharafta lahayd u hadala... ku dayda hablahaan sharafta leh sida..Rahma, Zawda, suhuur,LiBin, Saynab,Fartun, Honesita, ADVISOR.... iyo kuwa kale oo aanan magacooda ku xusin.. hablahaasi si sharaf leh ayey u hadlaan waana sidii dumarka somaliyeed lagu yiqiin...

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kingmaker

Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 04:05 am
I am stunned how some somali girls are impostor and impetous.

when they are with us they pretend to be educated ratonal , responsible ,arrogant.

when they are with foreign they kneel down and say please million times , one foriegn guy once described somali girl easy, generous , and very weak and impulsive, obsessive.

few weeks ago i was in newyork and me and my friend met 2 somali girls and as usually they had attitude and convinced that they are high class as we want them.

but after few days later we found out that she was going out with 50+ togolese cab driver.( how romantic!)


my point is we know what u real r and how u think and what u worth so forget pretending .


and admit that u r desperete for love acceptance and your future is uncertain and confused.


Despite how strong they think they are woman are always vulnerable and keep that in mind.

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mancat

Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 07:31 am
to t-grl

i'm puzled and amused by ur hostile towards your fellow somali-male as i read what u posted in here or any where else i nod my heard with disgust and spit it with distraught . u claim to be an educated and oponionated but the facts ur far from that according to what u post in this forums you are a freak grl rather being a descent sis ,
on ther point u mentioned that us somali are against educated /outspoken sisters (liberated) were u enslaved before t-grl and besides since when u saw somali men who are hindering their fellow sisters , this does not apply to •••• .
what u believe is an utter rubbish and your claims are very malicious and contradicting . if you are an open minded sister u could have put your points in a very elegant and sophisticated way rather being typical a u know what grl? besides if u see a somali guy who is having a go with a certain grls and claims are credible does that mean he is a male chauvinist who doesn't want sisters to progress
damn plzz watch what u post in this forums as you are claiming to be an educated GRL

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T-GIRL

Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 05:55 pm
MAN CAT
Just coz U didn't refer to me in a vile manner doesn't make up for the fact that certain Somali Men use their women as slaves. And inorder to point out a couple of facts, U R insinuating that I should go through my facts.......live them and then report them. Just to let you know bro....I was never a victim of Male Chauvanism, but I ain't blind, neither am I deaf to witness what goes around me.

What was the forums created for? The sole purpose of the Forum, to my knowledge, was to exchange views and opinions. U have fallen into the category of men who don't like women to have a damn opinion........U have hidden talents as a Chauvanist, U R just in here trying to pick on me and prove my ideologies wrong. Since U called me a MALE HATER......let me assure you I ain't one of those Somali women who put their men down and go out with foreigners.........and I ain't the type to criticize men for no reason.....My comments are based on facts........not rumours. Yes I have witnessed Somali men victimising women, preying on them, cheating on them, beating them black and blue.......I have certainly witnessed Somali men trying to maintain themselves within their Heirarchy and making a statement such as.....

"Men are superior and have the right to Speech, freedom and expression of any kind.......whereas women are inferior, judgemental and should always play second fiddle to men".

And as far as my education is concerned
"Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance."

Putting me down and generalising me is not gonna get you no where brother.......it is merely going to state the depth of your shallow esteem....or lack there of.

PEACE

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EDNA

Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:41 pm
Goodness gracious, everybody typed up a chapter. God bless you all.

Back to the point now..I think you girls are just blaming Somali men for nothing. This goes for all "MEN" black/white/yellow and purple. MEN simply want to be the dominating factor almost all the time. Unfortunately, thats something we'v to put up with. By the way, why would you want to kill yourself and be a working mom...if he can provide for you sufficiently??? I've a degree in child psychology, and I don't work @ all. Monday--i do my facials ---Tues--i do my manicure--Wed--Waxing---Thur--my hair---Fri--i go to Spa---Sat&Sun---I gt jiggy with my husband. Whats better then that???

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Anonymous

Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:48 pm
Edna your not my sister are you?

naa xishood before I come down and beat the hell out of ya in front of your freaking husband

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mancat

Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 10:17 am
i'm not surprised by your answer, never mind ur being typical of u however I'm surprised by u malicious accusations that ur making some how i got feeling ur on of those grls who have a chip in their shoulder just waiting to explode if any man made a reasonable point against them i'm mean grls like t=grl they will immediately accuse u of putting them down on the bases of her sex and all of sudden ur male-chauvinist couze u make credible points against her and she can't help her self at all other than to start typical t-grl of letting the brothers down shame on you .
about the point u mentioned that a certain somali men do abuse their women does that give you the right to generalize all men, well in your opinion ur the kind grl who believes all men are rapist
so there is no point of arguing with you at all
once again ur facts are based on sexism and the imagination of self infringement plus plz understand this i don't want to be rude to u at all, but the fact is u have a very low self steam according to wat u post in here if that is any thing to go by at all . however plz remember we are only exchanging views, we are not fighting so behave ok and be argumentative grl rather being child like

peac out

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Anonymous

Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 10:35 am
mancat,
scroll up and read what T-girl wrote in the first place.she used (some)!that says all.
and more thing men like that exist in our society whether you like or not.
you r showing same signs now.why dont answer like UKman9 and try to support your point intelectually instead of attacking her?

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mancat

Friday, March 23, 2001 - 08:35 am
i do not deal with anonymous ppl so plz if u got point make com on on the stage and make ur points in an exceptional way that is all wat i got to say to u , at least t-grl have got the guts to come to make her point openly regardless of how outrageous it is, and plz note we are exchanging views not swearing or battering one another

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Anonymous

Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:25 am
mancat
does this sound exchanging views and not swearing one another:
""on ther point u mentioned that us somali are against educated /outspoken sisters (liberated) were u enslaved before t-grl and besides since when u saw somali men who are hindering their fellow sisters , this does not apply to •••• ""

fill in the blanks for me! i guess you meant endearment huh? enlighten me?!
you think "mancat" nick makes a point??its the mind that give opinions not names.
well that shows your low perception.

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MANCAT

Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 06:49 am
i don't think U have the faintest idea of wat ur talking about at all u might be slightly detached so plz once again stop disguising and use ur name as of i know I'm dealing with a mystery person like U probably with no face

plz note i don't wish to offend at all if any body thinks that being offensive then plz be excused and my sincere apology goes to any one who is offended by the comment I'm awfully sorry once again , however I don't recall the certain context that quoted by the person in disguise
peace out

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Anonymous

Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 09:22 am
mancat
you dont recall huh?u dont really have to,just scroll up and see your first posting.i just simply did 'cut and paste' from your posting.
unless you are implying you suffer from Multiple personality disorder.then possibly one of your other personality wrote!
thats more understandable.
you could easily apologise instead of making more drama.anyway apology accepted even though it was twisted!
i might be having no face(as u assumed) but at least i got a mind to think and respect for others ,Alhamdullilah!

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mancat

Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 05:09 am
there is no point contuning this discussion at all, i'll will not be drawn in to this endless game so plz give up wat ever it was

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