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     | Unrecorded Date In my early years in Somalia, I used to witness all kinds of things happening to women. Things like: The woman being expected to stay at home and care for the husband, and the children. The woman being expected to go to the market & buy things for the family. The woman Pleasing the man both Sexually and Emotionally. The woman being expected to get used to the idea that the husband can marry another woman anytime. The woman being expected to get used to the idea that she is just a "Female" very unimportant, and worthless. The woman had to get used to the concept that she could not contribute to the Political or Social crisis her country was undergoing, why? Because she did not have the ability to think, she lacked the capability to think logically. The woman could get beaten up by the husband and she couldn't do anything about it. All of these things are just some of the things I used to witness. Today there are more illetrate women than men in the world, why? Because women are constantly denied the opportunity to seek education. Some women of my grandmother's age couldn't even read or write Qur'an let alone anything else. Their fathers kept them at home while their brothers went to learn Qura'n. How will people face Allah(SWT) when they are asked why have you done those things? Why have you denied Women access to the religion and many other things? Well, its a different story today. Somali women in the western world, have a totally new face. They have rights that they never dreamt of having in Somalia. They have the Affirmative Action Law which protects them from being exploited in terms of opportunities. And they have Socialist Feminism Rights that protect them from being attacked or physically abused by their husbands. So, how are Somali men in the west dealing with this new issue? are they bitter about the new found of freedom, and opportunities that women have or are they content with it? All responses are Welcome, so long as they are not Vulgar or Violent in Content. Thank You.
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| | Unrecorded Date I gave up on Somali men at all.
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaam Xaawo Taako, First of all you have described a Somali society I do not know of. You started out nicely by talking about what you witnessed however you seem to believe that was the norm. I am sorry, I know what you mentioned did exist but it was not known in the vast majority of households. This kind of topic and point of view is the one that sets me on fire. I am a firm believer that while all times and societies had good and bad aspects, the society/community we currently live in is the one that has most damaged the status of the Somali woman. I shall not pursue on that matter but will respond to your comments and assertations. 1 - What on earth is wrong with a mother staying at home with her children and taking care of her husband? Motherhood is the most beautiful role one can play on earth. You have never had to feel the pain of being forced to go to work and leave your child that is sick with a relative/caregiver. Now more than ever I wish I could have that option or choice and I will God willing. 2 - Actually I see no shame in going to the market. Why should there be? By the way, many people had cooks that did do the daily shopping. Anyways, let us assume women alone did it, even though the markets were also populated with men, what is wrong with that? Don't feminist people also do grocery shopping? This point I don't understand. 3- As for pleasing her husband. That subject was definitely taboo and I never heard of pleasure!!! However, the woman in our society was "naive", "innocent" and was to be taught by her husband. By the way, pleasing your husband is a must in Islam! 4 - Hell, no! I never heard of such nonsense! What woman had to get used to the idea that her husband could marry anyone and she had no choice? I see more polygamist marriages nowadays than before. Plus, these multiple marriages had structure and the children were taken care of. I know a lot of men that would NEVER consider marrying another woman because they loved their wives and their children and didn't want to cause them pain. Nowadays I see men with wives in Sweden, Canada, Africa, USA and they can't even feed their kids! 5 - Where did you get the idea that we were worthless? Our mothers and grandmothers were revered and cherished. Women had a distinguished place in society. A man was judged by his wife. When marriage contracts were being done, women had value. I know many were forced into these marriages but at least they lasted. What can we say about nowadays? 6 - One thing that was grand back home was the fact that the man was predominantly the breadwinner in the family but that did not exclude the woman from joining the work force. Women were present in every strata of the society. Army, government offices, banks, business world, hospitals and so forth. Women were educated and at the same time knew their self-worth. That means they didn't need to put men down in order to feel good about themselves. 7 - While I shall not say that domestic violence did not exist, I shall however affirm that when it occurred, it was NEVER encouraged. Clansmen would meet and discuss about the issue. In our culture a man could be refused a young woman if it was known that a member of his family (father, uncle, grandfather) used to beat his wives. I have many more examples and thoughts on the matter but just an advice: do not go into a marriage with your feminist thoughts. It shall surely backfire. Think about the beauty of Islam. Learn more about the role of the muslim woman/wife/mother in the Ummah. I read you will get married soon sister. I hope yours is a succesfull marriage. Stay close to God. By the way I agree: women were not taught about the religion because in Islam women can learn about their value. I will not say that all women had the best of lives but I shall say that back home we had clearly defined roles that made the family structure a firm one.
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaawo taako i think u r talking about what was happening in your household, i think ur dad was abusing or mistreating ur mom badly.... we never had that kind of problem in our home. saying bad thing about somali men is:- to hate ur own father and brothers I LOVE OUR MEN.
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| | Unrecorded Date dear xaawo tako, i don;t blane u for saying that, but one thing. why do u generalize, don't u nkow that people r different what goes on in one household doesn't reflect on others, in other words if some households are experiencing violent behaviour doesn;t necesserely mean all households are the same. and besides i beliefe there is bad people in every society if u have seen so many crazy people doesn't mean we are all the same. one other thing that keeps me thinking is that why do we all see our bad points and not the good ones. sister xaawo taako if u don mind answering pls. till then peace alex
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| | Unrecorded Date what we see in west is worst then home bleive or not. soo taabo dabka riyo ayaad kujirtaa, latumo jamaykaan guurso cadaan kadib kasheekee waxaad soo aragtay.
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| | Unrecorded Date araweelo wax nooga taa taabo bal, xeerada salkeeda maa soo taabatay.
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| | Unrecorded Date To:Muna, I wanted to correct you when you said that maybe all of this was occuring in my household. My father never in his life mistreated my mother or anyone else in his household. My mother is an open minded woman with an MBA. And my father never subjected her to any kind of abuse. So, don't make assumptions you don't have a clue over! And I never said a bad word about Somali men, so read carefully before you jump to conclusions! To:Optimist, You didn't get my point did you? The thesis of my editorial is that Somali women in Somalia were treated very much different than the ones out of Somalia. The conditions & situations that they had to go through were very different than the ones they go through out of Somalia today. And another thing, I was never used to the idea that women were in anyway inferior to men. I always had an objective mind when it came to issues like that. Also, when I made remarks such as: Women Staying at home & Taking care of the family. There is nothing wrong with this picture if the husband provides like he's supposed to. And also, if a woman Completely depends on the husband and that she can't even read or write her own name, then that is a big issue, because tomorrow when the husband decides to leave, or even dies. How will she take care of herself & her kids? The reason I set up this discussion was to see the responses people would give. I wanted to see if Somali women out of Somalia were enjoying any of the liberties that they are given or if they hate these liberties. So, people please don't go outta track. Let's focus on the issue at hand! Once Again, Thank You.
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| | Unrecorded Date Sis Xaawo!! Most mature Somali men dont like successful career women...cuz a successful career woman gets fat checks(dollar dollar bills). If the ladies are making >= bills than them,then i guess that kinda hurts their Ego. On the other end you got, immature guys that simply hate girls who are smarter than them.. ..and I know that from experience!!. so basically Its a no win situation with Men!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaam Xaawo Tako, What you wrote was your personal opinion backed by no research. I would like to know what parts of Somalia you lived in and where you live now. I respect people's opinions but can I ask you what was the point you were trying to make? That our women had it bad back home? That the western society is better to the Somali woman? That we have a better life in the West? Good gracious! How naive and blind can one be? Look around you and please wake up and smell the coffee!! Somali women were not illiterate as you so much love to claim. Do you know that Somalia had one of the lowest illiteracy rates in Africa? All thanks to the implementation of OLOLAHA (hope spelling is correct!). Even my grandmother can read and mind you she is well over 70 years of age! So please take your backward, western thoughts elsewhere. You make no point other than to disgrace our people and society. I am a Muslim and as such will never embrace feminist ideas and I know what they are. As a Somali woman I have never felt disrespected among my own. NEVER. But have felt the hatred and prejudice of this so called western/modern/developped world. I believe that the Somali woman has lost her worth and respect in the western world. She is lost and misplaced. She has no longer the wonderful family support system she enjoyed back home. She lacks self-esteem because she is made to feel inferior mainly by virtue of her difference. The western society has destroyed our family structure. Single mothers are everywhere. Children and teenagers are unruly and undisciplined. Mothers don't enjoy the respect and awe they enjoyed back home. Same goes for our men. So please get a grip and preach elsewhere. You are the kind that believes no matter what the white man is better. By the way don't you know that the majority of western women don't buy the feminist rap anymore? That is why they recruit "daba dhilif" like you. Oh! If your mother is an MBA holder why on earth are you disrespecting her so? Smile!
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaawo Taako we never had a problem with our men but if u did or u do have a problem with them now please go and find a white ass or an smelly chinese, you can also have a lesbian relationship with another feminist therefore u don't have to worry about men altogether. just leave our somali men alone.
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| | Unrecorded Date Optimist: I am really impressed by all your writings. Even though you've dissed me a few times, but nevertheless I must admit that I am impressed. You asked me a few things and here are the replies. I lived in Muqdisho since I was 11 I then moved around & finally settled in New York. Yes, it's true that all of my writings are based on my personal opinions, thats why I called it an editorial. Once again my thesis for this discussion is to see how people respond to my questions. I asked if Somali Women out of Somalia enjoyed the freedom they have now or do they hate it. Also, I wanted to find out how do the men see all of this! Walaal, I am not a "Daba-dhilif" if anything I do not like the white man. I am always at war with people who praise the white man, so please refrain in the future from reffering to me as a "White-ass-licker." Also, I never in any way disrespect Somali women/Somali men. I spoke of the things I had witnessed in Somalia. It's true that women were subjected to things that are very inappopriate & morally wrong. I love Somalia & its people as much as you do, but I am not so blind that I will only speak of its good things. I only spoke of what was happening in Somalia. It is true that Somali teenage girls are going through many phases in life. It's true that these young girls are runing around practically naked with men that are not related to them in anyway. It's true that Somali women out of Somalia have lost both their family values & their moral values. I know all of this, but that's not my point, I only asked about their opportunities & their rights. I am not blind to all the things that the Somali women are doing out of Somalia. It's saddening to see them act so out-of-character. But that is what they choose to do, I can only correct my self and not them. I am not praising what the west has done to change our society. I should say that some women have it better today than they did in Somalia, just like some women have it worse today than they did in Somalia. All I know is that some women used to put up with a lot of crap in Somalia, and they don't put up with it anymore because they have other ways out. I also, know that some women in the west abuse their rights & reverse everything on the men, that too is wrong. Be Safe...
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| | Unrecorded Date Sagal & Sucaad: I said before if you've any vulgarities please don't present them here! If you're both Muslim women, please refrain from using insulting words here! Also, I already got a Somali man regardless of what you say, so what are you going to do about it? I don't need anyone's permision to have a Somali man in my life. And if I wanted to find a Whitey/Chinese/Lesbian, I could easily have all three of them at the same time, you don't tell me what to do! Also, I never in any of my remarks said I'd a problem with Somali men. And another thing, there is nothing wrong with being a feminist. Being a feminist is knowing your rights & your place, so if you think you'r insulting me by calling me a feminist, think again Girls! May Allah(SWT)help you wisen up...!
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| | Unrecorded Date Salaam dhamaan!... Waxaa cad in XT ayka hadlayso khibradeeda (kor aqri!)....Laakiinse waxaa cajiib ah markii la waydiiyey arintaas inay isdifaacid lasoo baxday ayadoo dhahaysa hooyaday waa MBA...iwm... Hadaad tiri Aabahay wali ma dilin Hooyaday xageed ka keentay markaad tiri.."I used to witness all kinds of things happening to women: the women being expected to get used to the idea that she is just a female very unimportant"....Markii la waraystayna ay tiri...Aniga ma ahayn qofka yiri..."I was never used to the idea that women were in anyway inferior to men"... Walaal maad iska qiratid...Way jiraan dad soomaali ah oo lagu eedeeyo inay sameeyaan waxyaalahaad kor ku sheegtay...Laakiinse soomaalidu guud ahaan ceeb ayey agteeda ka ahayd...
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaawo Taako go and get another topic sis. you are just denying everything you have said at the begining. sis i hope you will not call 911 for your poor somali man.
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| | Unrecorded Date Shabeelnaagood: Waxaa tiri qiro, ee maxaan qirtaa? Ma waxaad rabtaa in aan been sheego ee aan qirto wax aanan meesha oolin? Marka aan iri " I used to witness..." hal macna oo keliya ma laha. It doesn't simply mean, "Oh! she said she used to witness..therefore that must mean she used to see her father beat the crap outta her mother.." C'mon open your mind & widen your views walaal! I said I used to witness these things..because I used to see it happen to my neighbors, friends..etc. It doesn't necessarily mean a member of my family used to get knocked out. Why would I not admit to that? Why would I choose to deny that? Nobody is holding a gun to my head telling me to deny it. I've no reason to lie! Also, when I mentioned that my mother held an MBA, I was trying to make a point. You don't know what kinda life I led, or what kinda father I had. You can't make assumptions you have no eveidence over. Let me ask you this,Did you ever see my father beat my mother? or did you ever see any of my family members being told "Women are inferior to men"? Get Your acts together walaal before you try to act smart with me!
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| | Unrecorded Date Sucaad: That was funny girl! And don't worry I won't call the cops on your poor Somali brother. And I am not denying anything I said, I am only denying things that are untrue of me & my words! You know I never said I'd a problem with Somali men, so what did I deny about that? Anyways, I am not on trial here, so safe it!
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| | Unrecorded Date sis don't tell us ur dad was Mr. right and other fathers in ur neighbourhood were evil. You were only 11yrs old when u left from Somalia how the hell u knew what was happening behind doors in ur neighbourhood. Feminism has no roots in our culture, Xaawo take ur crap to somewhere else
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| | Unrecorded Date Sucaad: My father is dead, and what you say of him will be a mistake on your part! And it will be something you will have to answer to Allah on the day of judgement! And I used my neighbors & friends as an example, read carefully please before you jump to absurd comments! I know what you're doing here, and like I said before, I am not on trial here. You need to broaden your views girl! You talk as if you understand nothing of what is being discussed here!Also, I am not about to leave this site or this discussion because you say so, you are going to see many writings of mine to come, so get used to it Girlie! Don't be bitter Girl, be realistic! I am not insulting you or your father, you need to stop being defensive & vulgar! May Allah help you broaden your views...Aamiin! PS: This is not the Chatroom, You want to act all Ghetto & Vulgar Please go back to the chatroom you came from!Thank You.
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| | Unrecorded Date Also, Feminism is a concept which says Women have the same rights as men to education, job opportunities, Social engagements, Government, And so forth! Feminism is not a bad thing, Feminism simply says that Women should go to school just like men do, and that women can work in offices, and become doctors, lawyers. Feminism says that Women are not inferior to men in many aspects, such as the work place. And according to the religion(Islam)the sins/rewards being received by women are equal to those received by men. Women will receive the same punishments as men do, and the same nourishments as men do on the day of judgement. Feminism has many branches, and some of them may favor women over men, in that case it's wrong! But Feminism all together is not wrong. Also, indeed Feminism had roots in Somalia, and XaawoTaako was a feminist herself! She was a woman who understood the role of a woman in society. She understood that a woman had rights just like the man did! May Allah (SWT) bless our Motherland Aamiin!
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear Ms xawo Tako Somali men and not mad at our sisters getting education. The sisters who are educated are been snapped like you know what. There are weddings going on every day around the Somalain communities every where. Lately on Saturdays I have not been going to the restaurant for my usual plate of spaghetti ,banana and a cup of bombelo. It's my bench mark for weddings. You know governments around the world have some kind of numbers that they publish periodically, well sister yours Truly Alex has a bench mark, and the bench Mark is how many Saturdays in a month I don't pay for my lunch.( Note the Saturdays that someone else insists on paying my lunch is been recorded). Lately Al Hamdulilah I have been saving few dollars, and my prediction is that this summer I will be saving even more bucks. Not only the Unites States Government has surpluses. So my sister take it easy all is well your number will came up one of this days, but place be present when your number is called.( Note I don't remember if you said you have a man,so If I'm wrong on it please forgive me) Thank you and GOD bless you.
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| | Unrecorded Date ThugGirl, so how's those days in the hood and the crack heads is that what appeals to you rather than your culture, isn't that what they call self-hatred please grow-up and take that weak "I am bad Ghetto woman" attitude outta here just ludicress.
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| | Unrecorded Date xaawo taako walaal sida aad ka aragto dhalinyarada iyo waayeelka soomaliyeed waxay aad iyo aad ugu qab iyo han wayn yihiin Diintooda oo sal u ah dhaqankooda. Marka hadii ay kula xuntahay inaad noqoto hooyo xalaal ah oo ninkeeda adeecda waa min subxaanala. Taas waxaan ka wadaa markii aad lahayd dumar soo adeegaya oo cunto karinaya oo caruurtooda korsanaya??? cajiib hadii aad doonaysid inaad gabdhahayaga iyo hooyooyinkayaga qurxaha iyo sharafta ilaahay swt u dhamaystiray inaad ku daydo inaad ugu yeedho dhaqanka gaalada walaal meesha haku habsaamine wax kale qabso. waxaan ku waydiin lahaa, kolayba waxaa kaa muuqata inaad ka heshay dhaqankan gaalada, laakiin ma ogtahay in naagto gaalo markay guursato ninkeeda xataa ay magacii aabaheed iyo kii awowgeedba tuurto oo ay qaadato Last-nameka ninkeeda? Ma ogtahay inay naagta gaal u xamaasho reerkeeda oo halka hooyooninkeen ku raaxaysan jiriin guryahooda iyaga oo aan subixii u kalihin/jarmaadin dakada ama meelaha dhismaha in ilaahay risiqa ugu soo dhiibi jiray qoyska aabaha, kadibna ay wixii ilaahay siiyo ku kalsoonaayeen? ma is waydiisay in wadankeenii ahaa wadan sabool ah oo aanay jirin Day Care, hadii aan hooyadu hayn aabuhuna subaxii ku kalihin suuqa xoolaha, dakada si uu uga soo xamaalo, meelaha dhismaha, suuqyada ganacsiga yaa walaal korin lahaa caruurteena somaliyeed? Ma ogtahay in gabdhaha soomaliyeed ay leeyihiin Meher iyo Masruuf ku khasban ninka sharci ahaan oo xataa hadii ay iyadu ganacsi ay iskeed u leedahay samaysato aanay sharci ku ahayn inay qoyska nafaqayso iyadoo u garata mooyaane diin ahaan? ma ogtahay in hablaha soomaliyeed leeyihiin xaalado gooni ah oo lagu xushmeeyo sida hadii nin gabar guursanayo in uu bixiyo, sooryo, yarad , aroos, masruuf, mariin, dhaqaalo kuligeed, oo hadii uu yahay nin lacag lehna ay galayso nolol aanay iyada iyo ehelkeedu toona u baahanayn in ay shaqaystaan inay raaxaystaan mooyaane(early retirement)? waxyaalahan aan ku waydiiyay dhaqanka gaalada ma laga helaa(waxaan ka hadlayaa wadamada hore u maray)? waxaase hore loo yidhi wixii isku mid ah ayaa la is barbar dhigaa oo wadan faqri ah ayaad ku masaalaysaa wadan kibray, sidee ayay ahaan jireen markii ay faqriga ahaayeen? managa fiicnaayeen mise waa naga liiteen? Dawladaha gaalada ah ee Faqriga ah ka soo qaad Ethiopia ka waran Kenya ka Waran, dariskaaga fiiri bal walaal inta aanay ku qaadin himilada shisheeye. Ugu dambayntii ma jirto dabeecad iyo dhaqan ka wanaagsan midka islaamiga ah ee ay ku salaysan tahay dhaqankeenu. Walaal ha u qaadan in aan difaacayo dhaqanka soomalida oo kali ah, oo way jiraan niman xun xun oo laaya naagahooda meel kasta mise NY malaa malaha (Domestic Violence)!! dhaqanka soomalida waa ceeb ninka garaaca haweenaysdiisa inta aan aqaano weeyaan. Way jiraan dhawr meelood oo aanan tagin.. laakiin somaliya waa isku wada mid. Walaal waxaan ku waydiiyay ma ogtahay in ilaahay swt raga iyo dumarka ka dhigay isku xaquuq hadii aanay dumarku xaquuq badnaynba diinta islaamka? Ma ogtahay in wadanaka aad joogto furiinku marayo 51% halaka uu soomaliya ka ahaa 9%. maxaa kalifay dumista qoyska reer galbeedka hadii ay tahay wax fiican femanist-ga aaad sheegaysaa? walaal raali iga ahaada waan ku dheeradaye. xaaji
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| | Unrecorded Date Alex: Yes, I do have a man(Somali brotha). Xaaji: Waad ku mahadsantahay la talintaada, waana fahmay waxaad ka hadleyso. Waxa kaliya ee aan ka hadlay waa Soomaalida waxa dhex yaalo. Kenya ama Ethiopia waxay suubiyaan ima quseeyaan! Soomaaliya waxay mareyso yaa i quseeya. Assalamu_Aleika!
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| | Unrecorded Date Dear: Xaawo Asalaama Caleykum Walaalo waxaan akhriyey maqaalkaaga wuxuu ahaa mid aad ka bad badisey, waxaana noo soo qortay figradaha feminist movment, oo aha in Dumarka guriga laga soora ha dhowtana shelter ku danbeeyaan ama Drug adicted noqdaan. Abaayo waxaan nahay dad Diin leh marka waa in wax walaba ka raacno Nebigeena Salalaahu Calehi wasalam, Tusaale isga ayaa noogu filan, mida kale Dumarka u dooda Dumarka Aakhirkooda waxay ku danbeeyaa iney noqdaan kuwa laga fiican yahay waad garan waxaan kawado. Abaayo Booqo homepageka Dumarka Muslimaad ka ah may be you can get benefit Allaah knows best. http://www.muslimah.net To: Sucaad and what follows Abaayo hacaayin walaasheen dadku waa wada hadalaa qofkii khaldana wax baa loo sheeg si wanaag iyo walaalnimo, cay meel laguma gaaro Your's Ahmed
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| | Unrecorded Date to optimist..and other peepz i know that y'all think that xaawo tako is generalizing..but she is not..Y'all know that what Islam tellz us to do and what we actually do are two different thingz, what happens inside a household is not usually not identical to how it "should be"...I truly think that in somali, women were under-appreciated for their skillz or knowledge, she has to stand behind her man, she has about 5 kidz befor the age of 21..dont tell me this isnt so..and for the person who said that.."pleasin ur husband is a must"..listen i dont think allah said that women are OBLIGATED to PLEASE her husband, but it should be something that is shared "equally" between a couple, it has to go both wayz...and as much as some of u men nowadayz try to deny it...u guyz have slowly and unconsciously took the mentality of ur fatherz and gradfatherz....about the role of a women..it should not be defined by her husband...it is 100% her right..xawo tako..sistah...this is a nice discussion u've started...i think that somali men are startin to realise that we are more that wife- to-be's...daughters..or sisters..but that we can actually contribute to society that will let us spread our wings..i am not sayin that women should b completely outta the house or her role as a mother...but that we also have potential to be whatever!! hell, THROW AWAY DEM APRONZ GURLS..lol...Thanx sis... ~be peace~
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| | Unrecorded Date MissX: Big Up to You Girlie! I am not dissing Somali men, I am just saying some women had it bad back in Somalia! And I am sure if people over here did some research work they would know that indeed people in Somalia were not very educated about Islam & xaquuqda dumarka! Ahmed: Feminism is not a bad thing! Feminism only says that women have the same rights as men do! Xaquuqda nimanka & naagaha waa isku mid, dhinaca wax barashada IWM. Feminism macnaheeda ma aha Women have to get out of the house & so forth! Also, I know enough about Islam Thank You! Why is it that when a girl speaks about what went on in Somalia, she is a "Feminist" an awful "Gaal, daba-dhilif" ? I merely spoke of what happened there! I bet most of the people over here trying to act smart with me don't even know much about Islam! People Broaden Your Minds! Salaama....
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| | Unrecorded Date To: Misx Somalidu waxay ku maahaamdaa "Reer ay Maarey u Talisay iyo Rar Dameero la saaray Murgmaarug baa u danbeeya" Marka Xaawo she will mislead don't follow her.Xaawo Femininst aakhrika way noqotaa lesbian ama wax ka xun marka walaaley isdaba qabo. Wadan Dumarka waa lagu dhibaa, Maalin walba kufsi Dil, dhac iyo wax ka xunba, Soomaliya u fiiri, hooyada guriga ayey joogi jireen waana loo soo shaqan jire, ma waxaad rabtaa inaad Surweel ku taagto oo ninka la kalahaan subixii oo la yimaado gurigii oo uray iyo ilmihii oo ladayacay, waxaan layaabahay meeshaad joogi jirtay iyo waxaad la nooshay , waxaad u baahan yahay back ground check i think. Your's Ahmed
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| | Unrecorded Date Xaawo Xaarka kugu dhegyee sheydaanimada meesha kala bax.
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| | Unrecorded Date Dhamaan hablaha Runta usheegay naagtaa tidhi xaawo taako waad mahadsantihiin waxaa soomalidu tidhaahdaa AMA KUMAAHMAAHDAA ''''BILSADEX REERKAAGA WAAKAASAARTAA MIDKALESE KUMA GAYSO''''' Waa naagta xaawotaako waxaa is huran adi iyo goblan waayo marka cadaanka aad figradooda wadatid ay dhamaato hadii aydani kaahayso somalia iyo ninsoomaliyeed ogow nina kugu qaadanmaayo •••• uu kasoodhergay cadaan iyo madow caruuro usoo dhalay waa adiyo kelinimadaa dumarka ama hablaha yaryar ee aad islahayd ADBA BADAYE HAKULA BE'EEN EE AAD FIGRADA Gaalada usoo jeedisay way kugu garteen inaad tahay mid luntay oo waxay lumiso rabto ma'arag gabadh soomaliyeed oo tidhaahdaa soomaliya waa nala gumaysan jiray adiga kahor ee afka qadhmuun sharmuutayahay kaladhexbax bulshadayada dhaqan
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| | Unrecorded Date i am totally agree my friend runsheeg , hawo take you are judgemental and apparently you have been brainwashed by chat shows and soap opera you watch .. do you have any idea how the life of westeren is ...?no of you course you just see that man goes out and sleep with any girl and get drunk and sleep with another man woman sleeps around and don't brush their teeth ...and gues what most of westren men did beat up their wives if not all but they don't report so before you judge before you jump to conclusion before you talk about the reallity please do us favor and think and make your self aware of the real situation. you live in newyork .. do you know that 65% of proffesional woman are single you know that the divorce rate is dramaticaaly increasing do you know that western people choose to live with their partner rather than marrying do you know that? i have seen many people , namely somalis who have been in westeren over 60 years and some 70 years told us from their experinace that the life of western is •••• it is fictional and you will end up as a trash so get real and get life and please don't come with this repulsive concepts into public we had great culture and we respect our mother .. we don't say shut up or leave me alone or that sort of things which unfortunately you think is better of live i can't believe how narrow minded you are currently i live in somalia with my people and i have been around almost every where but there is no place like home
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| | Unrecorded Date What is up with you all people?....You are all miserable people?....The girl just described what she saw back home, that is her views....nothing is wrong with that....don't misunderstand me , i am not saying you can't disagree with her , but do it in a polite way.....C'MON PEOPLE WHO ARE YOU KIDDING, YOU OR ME? the life of somali women in Somalia was not peachy nor hell.....I THINK A LOT OF YOU ARE ETHNOCENTRIC????....i personally think every culture has good and bad side, so let us not sugar coat ours.... Mr optimistic.... "the western society destroyed our family structure?....i think that is lame excuse.... we somalis have destroyed our family structure....So i think we should take responsible for our own action in life. you know one way you can excel in life.....Stop blaming our problem on other and start been responsible for ourselves!!!!! This western society has gave us a lot opportunity......BUT HOW DO WE USE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES?
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| | Unrecorded Date PEOPLE Since when has expressing one's views and opinions a TABOO?Gosh....U can disagree but what's with the name calling and why are you people dissing the girl like that??? She has refrained from profanities and vulgar language. That is a sign of maturity.....If U wanna express your point of view, U should be able to do so in a manner that is based on intellect not vulgarity. She is merely comparing the place of SOMALI WOMEN - NOW & THEN. XAAWO TAAKO SIS I totally respect your opinions.I am hoping to divert your attention to one point.... When you were starting out,as stated above, U came across as a very Generalising person...But as I read further started to agreee with some of your points. I am not saying that our women were not able to obtain any kind of education in Somalia coz my Mother got her degree after she had her children. Les women took advantage of education because the got married early and were busy raising a family rather that getting a career. In Somalia and in MOST of the Moslem world women are not "encouraged" to get jobs or build a career. In Islam Men R the "BREAD-WINNERS"....and is expected to provide everything for the woman....and the Women are expected to stay in the kitchen....BARE-FOOT AND PREGNANT. The problem now is that more women are exposed to the FEMINIST ideas and the fact that they can get a LIFE for themselves...........Get an Education, get jobs ......and there is this competition this Tug-of War if you may,between the two sexes. Like HONEY said the Western world has given us a lot of opportunities........we are suppossed to grab them and make use of the tools provided.... In fact the Western World has given us WEAPONS/ammunition to fight & compete with our MEN.......Not realising that the MEN are still doing the same things as always....trying to get a secure Future for his family....It is the Women that have changed for the better/and worse.Better coz we can educate and encourage our kids, worse coz we are still allowing our attitudes to get the best of us and we resort to the "911" concept as we think we are as equal as MEN....Allah SWT has made us different and we should lead ourselves into the paths of ISLAM....Not into the paths of destruction.. If the Somali Man is intelligent ...He shall allow his wife to get her education..if incase anything happens to him she can take care of the family on his behalf... If the Somali woman is intelligent she should listen to her husband........get her education, and be a great wife and a great mom..... TO BE A GOOD MUSLEM.....AND A GOOD HUMAN BEING U SHOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW YOURSELF TO LEARN COZ LIFE IS ALL ABOUT LEARNING..... PEACE
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| | Unrecorded Date to anony .. according with your small brian what is your definition of "Ghetto life"? hell Anony, the way i see it ..you're a low caste, narrow minded, ill-mannered moron. next time you wanna start something you better arrange face 2 face confrontation.. seen!i dont like whimps that talk behind closed doors...for now concentrate on the issue at hand ...and oh! dont try out for the Serie 'A' when your ass is barely making it in the serie 'G'..n'mean!! safe yo
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| | Unrecorded Date ..Salaam dhamaan... XT..walaal marka hore jumlada sidaad u qaadatay ma ah..ee waxaan ku leeyahay Qiro waa iska hor imaadka hadalkaaga aan kor ku sheegay...Marka sidaan kuu sheegay waxaad ka hadlaysaa waa khibradaada..(meeshay doonto ha ahaato!)..Laakiinse markaad sheegaysid wax adiga aad soo aragtay, maqashay..waxaa muhiim ah inaadan arin GUUD ka dhigin... Marka iga raali ahow haddaad u qaadatay si kale... Waxaan kaloo ku weydiin lahaa markaad ka hadashay baaris cilmiyeeda, adigu wali ma samaysay wax arinkaas ku saabsan oo baaris cilmiyeed ah?... Haddaad isleedahay dadkaaga dhaqan xun baa ku jira waxyaalo dhaqankooda ka mid ah...ood rabtid inaad badasho...Aniga ahaan waxaan kugula talin lahaa sidan inaad samaysid..: 1. Wax walbood isleedahay badal marka hore naftaada ka bilow, kadib reerkaaga, kadib qaraabada, kadib dariskaaga, kadib asxaabtaada... 2. Isku day inaad fikradaada u gudbisid si dahsoon....(laakiin muduc muduc ku taag soomaali kama shaqeeyo...).. 3. Marna waxaad isleedahay way qabaan soomaalidu ha isdhihin kuligoodbaa ah!...Laakiinse niyada gasho inay dad ka mid ah qabaan oo kamid ah qabiil kasta...amase beel kasta... Ugu dambayn...Annaga rag ahaan maxaad isleedahay naga badal?... Maxaadse dumarka ka badali lahayd?... ...Fikradaha TG aad bay u fiicanyihiin ee nuxurkooda dhuux.... Salaama..
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| | Unrecorded Date ThugGirl Whats wrong with you sis why don't you get your own name > i'm asking you not to use my name again and not to insult other people while using my name. thnx. see ya
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| | Unrecorded Date REAL WANNA_BE THUGGIRL there is only one ThugGirl in the Somalinet Forum and that is me...seen so dont make me break your elbow...asswipe ThugStyle is not something you adopt you're born with it aight ...so get lost and outta my water or is manslaughter.... and Next time focus on the issue at hand and not my nick...
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| | Unrecorded Date IM still trying to meet them Somali chicks out of Somalia. These ones we have here now have background records and stuff.
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| | Unrecorded Date why are we always stereotyping our somali brothers. leave the poor cabbies alone.
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| | Unrecorded Date HEBEL....LOL
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