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MAD MAC

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Comrades
Let me start with the fact that I have a wonderful girlfriend and am not interested in meeting anyone right now. But I am curious. What is the best way for a white American to go about meeting a Somali woman? I have dated a couple but meeting Somali woman who are interested in white non-muslims was always difficult. Any suggesstions?

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Pissed off

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Find a pimp.

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Farrakhan

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Keep your white trash to your self.

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OPSODOS

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Mad Mac:

Did someone say "trailer trash"!!!!!!! Take your K-mart S@#$!

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MAD MAC

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The intellect of the internet rises to the surface again. I live in Southern Germany, in a great place. Definately not a trailer. I'm college educated, so it's not like I'm a moron. I may be a lot of things, but trailer trash is not one of them. But I note with interest the vehemence of the response. If a Somali man is dating an American woman it doesn't bother me. Why does an American man dating a Somali woman disturb you so much? You guys are several cokes short of a six pack. Maybe, just maybe, someday you'll learn to tolerate people who are different from you. If you want people in other countries to treat you as equals, instead of a bunch of beggars, then you have to treat them as equals. Your posturing is hardly justified.

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Waryaa

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Peace!!

Mad-CapTain:

It disturbsk, scars, perturbs, bothers us all so discrasely and abhorrently as appallingly as nauseatingly because we don't allow our 'ladies' to be dated by a "Kufaar"--a fellow Christian like you. You must be a Muslim, first. Period.

That was an utmost obstacle that we don't do it.

Secondly, you don't have a credential qualification that would allow to 'date' a lady amidst us. Becuase, we don't know your culture as well as traditional.

Thirdly, you are a 'white' man--whiter than a "poor-white-trash."

Fourthly, you are a "soldier," which means, you don't follow your path, but what a Haggar-Commander say. Ye! Ye! even in your personal life.

Fifthly, why do you prefer do 'blind-date' our ladies, when you can have a 'blondie-Germanic' lady--that means, there is at least something wrong with 'you.'

Quite Peace!!

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MAD MAC

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Waryaa
I was married to a "Blond German" and didn't like it. Also I'm not Christain - you're assuming on that one. I'm definately a soldier and that was definately my path. I was born to soldier.

Alas, let me pose this question: Is it reasonable for white men to react to a Somali man dating a white woman in the same manner as you react to a white man dating a Somali woman? Certainly some American men think so (I think they're morons). What do you think?

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MAD MAC

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Waryaa
One other question. Why did you call me "MAD Captain?" Do I Know you? Do you know me? How did you know I was a Captain? At least I was in Somalia.

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THE TEACHER

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To the so called MAD MAC,
Germany is full of WHITES obviously, birds with the same feathres always fly away together, so bro
its about time when u suppose to memorise Hitler and his influences to the outsiders, what we can't telorate is to see a Somali mixed, specially WHITE. Its about time when u had a second thought coz there is no Somali women that goes to a WHITE MAN while she sees her BLACK SOMALI BROTHER, your aim is obviously going to reach no where so stay home with milk look likers and leave the chcolates aside.

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MAD MAC

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Teacher
Ahhh, how do I say this? First of all, I guess you missed the opening sentance. I already have a girlfriend. And she's not white. I asked a hypothetical question. Secondly, I'm not a bird. I don't travel in a flock. True enough Hitler did not advocate the mixing of the races. Alas, I'm not one of Hitlers true followers. As long as Somali refugees live in the west you have no choice but to tolerate seeing Somalis date and marry whites. Because it happens here - although not with frequency. Your attitude reminds me of the Rednecks back home. Don't want to see anyone ruin the "purity" of the race. Ridiculous. Races haven't been pure ever since there have been races. Of course, mixing races is not actually "my aim." I go out with whoever I want and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks. My aim is to see Somalia rejoin the community of nations. But that has nothing to do with this question.

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Nadia

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One question to Mad Mac, if you are not Christian,what are you? I am just curious that's all..

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Hebel

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People, I think I'm GAY

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Muriidi

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Mad Mac

Your question could be hypothetical or otherwise but I think someone already answered your question but you don't wanna see, you just wanna mess around with people.

Let me repeat the answer: Non-Muslim can not marry a Muslim woman and dating is out of the question. If that doesn't satisfy you then you have something else up your sleeves.

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MAD MAC

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Ahhhh, Muriidi you are perceptive. Actually it was an honest question but I had a feeling that the answer was predictable. Of course, many of your women do date (read these pages) and some date non-muslims - two dated me for example. But I understand the prohibition. Doesn't it strike you as hypocritical that a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim monotheist but not the other way around? That was what I was really getting at. The real reason for the prohibition, as I understand it, is that the children of such aunion would not be muslim. Let me pose a question: What if one of the two parties could not have children. If there were no possibility of children from such a union would it then be Halal?
Nadia. I am a monotheist. I believe there is one God (Allah). I believe that we (Jews, Muslims, Christains) are all worshipping the same God, just in a different way. I believe that parts of the Koran, Bible, Book of Mormon and Torah are the inspired word of God (not to be mistaken with the notion that God himself wrote them) and I believe that parts of all of these books have errors of interpretation / transcription. Of course, my philosophy is rejected by all the religions I just mentioned. My favorite philosopher is Khalil Gibran. My favorite prophet is Issa (Jesus).
I DO NOT prostelytize. I described my beliefs here because you asked. I don't expect or insist that anyone believe what I believe. I respect the right of Muslims to believe what they want and to practice their beliefs as they want. I also respect their right to publicy state their beliefs. The last time I was in Nairobi (in September) I had an Imam try for hours to convert me. I undertstand that from his perspective he's just trying to save my soul. Nothing wrong with that. I would hope that Muslims would be tolerant as well. Unfortunately Islam has mixed messaged on tolerance and one of those is the marriage of their woman. Hope this helps explain a little. Bottom line for the rest of you - CHILL. I'm not trying to convert anyone or draw anyone away from Islam.

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Somali

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Mad Mac:

On behalf of all Somali ppl, YOU ARE FULL OF S.H.I.T. SO GO F.U.C.K. YOURSELF.

Somali

P.S. I am not against you dating a Somali women, I am against of you to think we are as stupid as you.

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Muriidi

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Ahhhhh, Mad Mac,

Finally you spilled the beans!!!! you said "That was what I was really getting at" on the contrary Mr. Mad Mac, this is what I was really getting at.

You are such a slippery character, putting on different colors evey time you post a question and beating the bush when your real aim is spreading christianity. Now I have seen your true color Mr. Father Michael, you can deny it but you can't hide under GI pretence. Allah has granted us wisdom to differentiate who is who, and expose the wolves in sheepskins. One more thing, we (Muslims) don't believe the same God as yours, because my God doesn't have a son,

You better come in with a new name, what's it gonna be this time???!!!!!

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MAD MAC

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Muriidi, dude, did you read anything I wrote in the last message. I am NOT trying to spread Christianity!!! I'm not even a Christian. Can we just drop the subject. I have a girlfiend - she's from Thailand. I don't want another one - the woman I have is wonderful. Let's just forget about religion as well. I really don't care what any of you believe in. Can we just focus on Somali politics. Christ, I'm sorry I even brought up the woman thing.

Somali - Intellectual discourse just isn't one of your strengths is it? Anyway, you can chill. I'm not going to date your women, I'm not going to try and convert Somalis to Christianity, is it OK with you if I talk about Somali politics? 'Course, I don't give a •••• if you think it's OK or not. I'm going to talk about it anyway. Terrible being stuck in the west, isn't it? People actually can say what they want and you can't shoot them or anything. Well dude, if you go back to Somalia you can have a crack at me in about four years. I'm sure the possibility warms your heart. Better be good, though, because I'm not an amatuer. Nabad Gelyo.

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Somali

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"My Women" wouldn't use you as toilet paper. You are just another low life with a pc...is that what you consider a girlfriend?

"Stuck in the west"??? I am your worst nightmare. Unlike other blacks who came here on slave boats, I came here by choice. Hence, I don't buy into your trailer trash, Jerry Springer-life style. Is that what upsets? A black man who is smarter than you are?

And what exactly do you know about politics (without telling me what you have seen on CNN)?

Somali

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MAD MAC

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Somali
You have yet to make an entry here that does not insult. Yet you have never met me. You claim superior intelligence yet again, you have never made my acquaintance. You speak of "your woman" as if you could speak for them all. I learned about Somali politics my living there, but meeting with hundreds of Somalis and by reading and studying the problem. "What upsets" is that you consistently attempt to insult. Although, frankly, I'm not upset. I don't know you and you have yet to make a single salient point of substance so up 'til now your opinion has not carried any weight - unlike some of your other compatriots. Perhaps you have superior intelligence but you have yet to demonstrate it. As for my current political assessment of Somalia:
The Djibouti initiative will fail. It is too ambitious and insists on including Somaliland and Puntland - too ambitious. Establishing a government in Somalia requires a multi-step approach. The latest Libyan initiative has more possibilities but again is likely overeaching. Furthermore, Libyas close ties to the SNA makes other Somali factions deeply suspicious of the Libyans. I don't think this initiative will work either. The first step to a final solution in Somalia requires that the Hawiya close ranks. This must start with the sons of Hiraab. Right now, it appears that Musa Sudi, with acquiesence of Abdi Hassan Awale (Qeybdid) and Osman Hassan Ali (Atto), will continue to be an obstructionist. This group, along with Hussein Bod, are distrustful of the SNA and Ali Mahdi. Although Hussein Aideed appears at times to have more cross-over appeal, his age works against him and his actions over the last 18 months have left his motives suspect. The RRA is likely to attempt to carve out its own fiefdoom, with the support of Ethiopia. So we now have a Jubba Land under a loose coalition marginally dominated by Omar Haji and the Marehan, the RRA controlling the Bay region, a fractured Benadir controlled by no one, the Hawadle still ensconced in Belet Weyne, Abduallahi Yusuf controlling Puntland and Egal controlling Somaliland. And where does that leave us - hopelessly fractured. Anyone who wants to see Somalia reunifiy - like me for example - has to start in Hamer with the Hiraab and work outward from there. But I'm just a stupid Galka and what do I know.

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Sun iyo Boog Daac

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Mad Mac, you unbelieving son of a cankered infidel
Why are you bothering us? Don't you know that this is Somali board and strictly forbidden to outsiders. You sir and your provocations are starting to annoy us. But since you are here if answering you will rid us of your pestilential presence here goes. The reason we don't like to see our sisters with filthy animals like you is because you will become family. If you consider yourself such an expert on Somalia you would of course know about "xiddid". That is what you will become to the entire family whose daughter you marry. In Somalia we don't have the familial alienation that is common in your culture. The ties that bind the Somali family are strong and the spouses of the family's sons and daughters must be seamlessly integrated into the family. Not only that but a relationship develops between the respective in-laws and their extended families. So you see if a Somali girl were to marry you not only does her family have to take you on board but also your inbred family that is living in a trailer park in the Apalachians or Ozarks or whichever rock from underneath which you skulked out. And there is the rub. Whoever marries anyone who is not of their kind is running away from something. A streak of deep self-loathing that chases them away from anything and anyone who will remind them of their roots. This goes for Somali and black American, white or anyone else for that matter. You will never see a faithful Somali woman chasing an infidel. So you will also not see a Boston brahmin from Brookline chasing some illicit black action in Roxbury. Clinton? you can count on it, the epitome of lowdown, dirty white trash. He is the kind with a reason to run, with his unsavoury background. He is endlessly stalked by the smell of sulphur, moreover.
So my friend go for it if you see a Somali woman who will go with you but remember you are not getting the flower. No self-respecting Somali lady will confront her father and mother with a kaffir like you. Instead what you will be getting is the dregs, the waste, the excrement and the unwanted extrusions that are left over after the cream of Somali womanhood has been scooped up.

Sincerely yours

The Spewer of Venom

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khalili

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Mad Mac:


By reading what you wrote here i am completely lost. You started with asking how to meet Somali woman. from there, you went giving us crash religious course. And finally, you ended up Somali politics. So i am wondering what is your point here? . I guess what MURiidi has just said come to handy here--you are one of those missionary trying to earn some cash by converting some kids here. But tell you what? there is no much to gain here. But just keep on trying since is the only way you pay your bills. Khallil.

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WorderMan

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Hey u so called MAD MAC

Why donīt u take your silly ass from here and get
something usefull to do....
We maybe, maybe are beggars as u said, but you are
one hell of loser, animal and respectless person.
How could you insult us while it's you who came here at our place and trying to steal our girl.
Man go and take your •••• out of here....

PS. U donīt EVEN worth a word from us..so guys donīt come here and talk to this •••• head.

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adventurer.

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Mad Mac.

' Why does an American man dating a Somali woman disturb you so much?'.

Because she does not belong
there for two reasons; 1- non muslim
american is not pure in soul and can
transmit his impurity to the somali
lady. a polytheist is worse than a pig.

2- Culturally we don't like the whites,
they are alien to us. had been so since
day one they came to our country with their
missionary schools. It didn't work and won't work
on the forumss either if that is your case.

'If a Somali man is dating an American woman it doesn't bother me.'

They are wrong to date although allowed
by islam. because a learned muslim man
can be the cause of islamization of the
american lady. It is pure islamic missionary.
Also it will be great chance for the poor
american lady to have a chance of relationship
with her creator since that relationship is
deprived of her by the clergy gods you have
in the altars.

If somalis learn one thing from you,
it will be that there are personalities
like you 'too many of them' playing games with
their country. America tasted already what
it takes to poke its nose what isn't her
stinking busseness. Now white boy, If you
don't behave, there is campaing coming to
your way and you will learn the hardway
to respect people.

And your saying 'you are not polytheist' is
not true because if you say otherwise it won't
work thus be shut off. okey father micheals! what
do you want that the bible be spilled out here
or you behave?.

I am getting sick and tired of your disrespect
for the somali people. I told you to
avoid trying to be smartass but you don't
wanna listen do you?. About this somali girlfriend
you always repeat, you think that will buy
our sympathy? you saw the effect it has already
and there is a lot more coming so hang in there
mad man. You really piss me off man.
I have my change of heart about you unless
you behave.

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adventurer.

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Mad.

It all fits the puzzle together now.
When you said 'I can prove anything
from the old testament'. because you
couldn't deal with the bible spelled
out for you like you have never seen
before. you couldn't help yourself
but burn within your skin from behind
the PC.?.

Behave or else you will taught how to.

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TROUBLEGIRL

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MAD-MAC....
I got 2 words 4 ya....SALMAN RUSHDIE......

-Do U remember what happened to the him? He was in the news just the other day...coz my Muslim brothers want to hang him from the Leaning Tower of Pisa, only because he wrote something about issues that were clearly out of his boundaries... I am getting a feeling of De ja Vu.

-Why R U so adamant in trying to find out what we Somalians think of inter-racial relationships...(specially white boys and Somali Queens).......?
Somalians would never approve of it bro...U R barking up the wrong tree....SO find your own culture..I am sure there is someone in the wild, wild west who is ready to listen to your ideas and oppinions..CAPISHE

PEACE
TROUBLEGIRL....{A proud Somalian who is not getting into any kinda Inter-racial Bull-sh**... love my Somalian MEN.....<Throwing hugs and kisses at my Somalian KINGS>...lol}

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Anonymous

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I wonder how foolish you fellas can be? Has it not yet occured to you that Mad Mac is Somali? Or you just don't want to believe that?

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Anonymous

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madman
"if somali is dating a white women it doesn't bother you," you said , cause you are not An American you are, cali banaaye, stupid and i keep insulting as long as not cuting the chase

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MAD MAC

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Can you all just chill. Let me reiterate:
a. I don't care about your religious beliefs. I'm not father Michaels. I don't want to convert any of you to anything.
b. I don't want to date your woman. It was just a hypothetical question to stimulate a little conversation. Jesus Christ!!! I should have known I'd rattle a hornets nets.
c. You all can insult and threaten me to your hearts content. None of you even know me. I have yet to insult Somali culture on this net. Anyone who draws that conclusion is reading too much into it. If I didn't like Somalis I wouldn't be here.
d. I am not a Somali. I am an American soldier who lived in Somalia. I've spent a lot of time studying Somali culture and history and I have a lot of Somlali friends. But I'm not Somali myself.

Now, can we please just drop the women subject? I mean, really. The only thing I really care about vis-a-vis Somalia is that it establishes a recognized government and a sustainable socio-economic structure. That's it.
Adventureres comment that "culturally we don't like whites" is classic racism. How 'bout if each culture in the world only associates its own people. That would be better, wouldn't it. Then we could all regard each other with suspicion and loathing thinking that everyone elses culture and people is inferior. You should coordinate your efforts with the white supremists in America since you obviously think so much alike. History is replete with so many good examples of this and how well it's worked. Japan in Korea, Europe in Africa, The Ashante with the click language speakers, Hitler in Europe, America with Native Americans. I could go on but you get the point.
Now if you all look around on this thing you will see two questions I started asking how many Somalis want to go back to Somalia and rebuild? Let's move to that forums. I promise to only talk about non-woman issues and non-religious issues (except aas they spill over into politics) and you promise to do the same and we'll all be happy campers. When is it going to occur to all of you that what I want to do is help your country?

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Waryaa

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Peace!!

Mad-Captain {or may I dare to say Barmy-Skipper}:

Your question's question inquiry had surely answered itsself--How?

Good question.

You are a Mad-Captain, in short subtitle of a MadCap--absolutely, no offense, please.

Let me clarify myself that the reason I had completely disallowed you to 'blind-date' a fellow sister of ours is, no more than a hestitated word, that you are a 'Kufaaaaar.' If you are not familiar--and unquestoinably you are not--what it metaphorically signifies, then let me allegorically 'define' it for you.

Kufaar doesn't classify only to a "Christian," but however, figuratively, it symbolises all to those who aren't Muslims--whether, now, you are a heretical, a pagan, a freethinker, a dissenter, an individualist, an atheist, a nonconformist, an oddball, a Jew, a Shintoist, A Buddhaist, or any other sub-sects of an Eastern philosophy; we, darely, still to call you a such voluntarily name, "Kufaar."

I hope, I restated my intentions that the utmost reasons I am obligated to outlaw you for dating a certain sisters of 'ours.'

Now, say, you are a Muslim (or assume you are) then you had surely passed the first bloc.

Then, we will pursue to review your credential qualifications. To be an orthodoxy Muslim, you had passed 70/100.

We will reconsider whether or not you have a high 'esteem' to our Culture.

If yes, you will pass to close about 80/100.

You have to learn how to speak a well-version of a "Somali" language, this is not a 'mandatory' ones, but still we are hoping that.

If positive, then you are about in the edge of exam--90/100.

We are all using those obstacles because we are a strict people, from our Religion to our Cultural, we leave for nothing because we, for all, or en masse, are 'homogeneous' people. And we still want to maintain that precious 'gift.'

Thus, referring to you as an outsider would be unwelcomed in our community, mostly because you are a Kufaar...then...you are...then...you are...it continues.

Quite Peace!!

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MAD MAC

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Well abowe, I'm glad my girlfriend is Thai. At least they don't care.

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XAMARDAYE

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MAD MAC
FUSHUQ,FUSHUQ,FUSHUQ.FOOOQ.FOOOOOOQ,FUUUUUUUUF,FUUUUUUUUUX,XUUUUUUX.XUUUUUUS,U R ALL THIS 0000000000.

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MAD MAC

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Xamardaye
Dude, can you translate what this means? My Somali isn't what it should be.

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khalil

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mad mac:

Ok man. from now on you are off the hook. but just wondering we will go from here?. any idea?


Somali folks;

Don't you guys think we have been hard on this guy?. C'moon let's give him a break and see how far he can go with us.


khaill.

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BADGIRL

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MADMAC----
H ha ha U said yo GIRLFRIEND is THAI? What- did you order her from the MENU.....? I can't believe you got her to go out with yo millitary Cheap a**.

PEACE
BADGIRL
<PS:-I don't like U Millitary boy....so U better stay outta TROUBLE, or I will QAFAAAL yo butt back to Chungwho..CAPISHE>

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MAD MAC

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Badgirl
You are going to QAFAAAL my but? Do you mean kick my butt? And where the hell is Chungwho? It sure doesn't sound Somali. Anyway, I didn't order her from a menu, smartass. I met her in a bar like a normal person.

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MAD MAC

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Oh yeah, and I'm definately not cheap. I make good money and I treat her like a little queen. You may question how I earn my money, but cheap? No way.

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MAD MAC

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Khalil
Here's where I want to go. Start pretty small. Pick a coastal village. Get the German government to donate one windmill (electric power generation). With the Red / Green coalition in power this should be possible. Once we install a power grid (Jasira was a good location but the warlords have developed too much interest in it so I have to find another one. I'm thinking Barawe right now) we can start working a road and water/sewer network. The funding for this can come from USAID. As an American Army Officer I should be able to establish enough credibility to get that support. At least I hope so. Of course, we have to protect these gains from Moryan and any factions that try to horn in. But with a sympathetic population that should happen. And the key to generating a sympathetic population is to treat them with dignity and respect and provide assistance of value. Once you have power and safe water you have the ingredients for light industry. There are lots of industrious Somalis who can start small buisinesses in light manufacturing (textiles, food processing, auto repair, etc). This location can then be used as either a base from which to work out of and start the negotiation for a bonifide peace process (understanding that process will take some time - perhaps years) OR we simply start the next project in the next town and let prosperity influence the political process. At all times security is of course essential. Hence MAC brings his skills and experience with him. But Somalis must be the essential part of the process. I only hope to be the catalyst. I can't do it all for everyone. Ultimately Somalis must help themselves. I, for one, am convinced that the average Somali is sick of things the way they are and want to have a chance at a normal existence. That's sort of my overall plan, though I'm open for other ideas. I just want Somalia to get back on its feet again so I can put this chapter to bed.

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mad madeliene

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madmac you seem like a good person who is educated, i like your tone of language also, im somalian and i can sense that you are also so please leave your e-mail address for me babes.

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khalil

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MAD MAC:

Sound good to me. And i wonder how much you know our country than many somalis do!. However,i would like to ask you this Question.For God's Sake, what is it that you want in return of all those help you offering?". Please let's be clear from the start, captain Mac. is it just plain help for which you expect for no return? is it that you are doing this because of Amareican interest in the region? or is it personal interest? which oen is dude MAD MAc?. khalil.

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MAD MAC

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Khalil
Please answer this question. Why did you call me Captain MAC? Do you know me?
Now I will answer yours. The answer is a little complex. For reasons that are not entirely clear to me I connect with Somalis. I enjoy their company. I relate to them in a way that is not true of the other people around the world I have lived with (Saudis, Germans, Haitians, Bosnians). Of course, my compulsion to return is deeper than that. I did good work in Somalia, but not perfect work. Bad things happened there -and I was part of some of those bad things. What's the price of a clear conscience? On top of that my wife left me because of Somalia. So you see, abowe, I am not happy with the way the story ended. So I've decided to rewrite it with a happy ending. MAC returns, the country established a government, oil reserves are exploited, Somalia builds an infratructure, Somalia becomes a modern state - OK, I'm getting ahead of myself. I'll be happy if we can just get a government and a few quality aid projects. Success will be my reward. I've got enough money and I live comfortably enough. And I've become pretty much an aesthetic anyway. Hope that explains it.

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MAD MAC

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Madeleine
Abai
I'm heading for Bosnia next week. Once I get my E-Mail on line I'll drop you my new address. However, I am NOT Somali. I am lilly white - an American soldier who fought in Somalia. I'm an infidel to boot - although I have read the Koran. I have dated Somali woman - although at the moment I have a girlfriend from Thailand. Nevertheless I would be happy to correspond with you if you are still interested. I have spent 8 years now studying Somali culture and politics and love the people and the place. My Somali language skills are TERRIBLE. I really need formal instruction but it has been hard to come by. If you check the General section you can also see where I've laid out my plans for return.

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TROUBLEGIRL

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MAD"MILLITARY"BOY

Chungwho is near BUULOXUUBEY--Duuh. Chungwho is Beijing---U should know all this since you claim to be well travelled. And whats with your interest in Somalia anywayz? Couldn't you get another place you can submit your lame ideas at?....I don't know like ermmm lets try PLUTO.
And what makes you think that Somlians need a Soldier who is on less that $3000 a month, to guide & give them ideas? No matter how big your ideas may be....U can try, but I have a premenition that you may not succeed coz Somalia already has people who are educated and can run thier own thang..CAPISHE..
I know your next question would be-----Why can't the so-called- educated-Somalians do anything NOW? Well Millitary boy....In due time INSHALLAH we will have a government and we will do our thang...

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Anonymous

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hey mad mac listen up i am a somali girl who lives in Britain and i have never seen a somali muslim women who follows islam as a way of life date or go out with a white christan men what ever culture he might have. Yes i have seen ones that act western date men like you. They should be because its against our religion to do this kind of thing. Its also wrong for a muslim men to do this unless he persuades her to embrace islam. if your thinking am making this up am not it all says in the Quran(the holy book of the muslims. Thats way its so difficult for you or anyone else.

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Egal

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Mad Mac ,i Admire your ideas but we really think we don't need help , why not just sit n watch us rib each other's head off, we wanna
learn da hard way , we can always restart , Islam started with few people n grew like a fire , little note , Islam is da fastest growing religion, ok no more religion , well da point is we will have our day ,enjoy your time while ur kind is still dominating da world,
chill

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MAD MAC

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Anonymous
True enough, the Somali woman I dated were more western oriented. Although I noticed when I was in Somalia that poverty had a way of making a western guy look better all the time. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I'm well aware that Islamic woman who strictly follow the dictates of Islam would not date - and would certainly not date Gaal. But some Somalis - indeed many - are about as religious as I am. IF you are a Somali you should already know this.

To the rest of you - particularly Trouble because I like to annoy her.
Somalia needs all the help it can get. No matter where it comes from. Helloooooo. The place is a social, political and economic basket case. And I'm being generous here. So I'm going back, I'm working my projects. You want to come along - then come along. You don't, then don't. If you're like Sam you can meet me there and try to kill me. I don't care. I'm going back!!!!! You guys sound like my mother trying to talk me out of it. Oh and Trouble - I didn't mention, but I'm an officer and I make a little more than 3k a month - not that that should matter. Someones self worth is not based on his income except for people who have the intellectual and moral depth of pond scum. You all be cool. Egal, I'll try not to dominate the world. Nabad Gelyo.

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Egal

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Hi Mad Mac , well u seem to be nice fella,
anyway ,u seem to know alot about somalia , but
dat doesn't essentailly mean u know somalis ,few
westernized people doesn't really represent us ,
n i guess u just meet westernized somalis , anyway why be so sympathetic to us , wat's da
catch boy , i don't personally think someone from country dat keeps 12% of it's population under mental n physical slavery could tell us wat's best for us? free ur negro ?
they deserve ur service , we don't ,
a negro can't walk throught da streets of ny city in peace , dat's a tragedy , wark on dat
chill
p.s do try to dominate da world , i think u don't
fully understand Islam fully, we believe it is our destiny to be da supreme masters of da human race , we will achieve dat at any cost ,
so enjoy ur time ,

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MAD MAC

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Egal
The Islamic world is not going to dominate the western world unless you adopt certain freedoms that allow for innovation to a greater extent than you do now. Study 15th Century Spain for a classic example of the Christain version of your case.
I have a number of reasons for wanting to go back which I don't have time to go into now.
I do not intend to try and tell the Somalis anything other than tell the Warlords that their behavior is contemptible and when they die they will pay the price before God. Other than that I intend to be a facillitator, not the great white hope.

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egal

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Freedom is not a western philisophy, Everybody
intprets it in his's own way , somalis are more tradionalists than religious , It is Islam dat enlighted da west my freind , we have ruled spain
( actually da Moors did )for two hundreds , dat's how da west get enlighted , Spain had da best universities of dat time , anyway forget about who is gonna dominate who,? u haven't answered my q
yet , why be so concerned about somalia while ur country fellow r under oppresion , do something
to free them ( blacks n hispanics), they need economy boost , 80% of america's wealth is controlled by 10% of da population, do u think dat iis fair , i think u need to be hero in ur own country n forget our poor somalia
chiil
my white bro

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MAD MAC

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Egal
Jesus Christ you sound like Sam. OK, here I go again. This is the short version. I don't care about internal American politics. As long as Madeleine Albright is gone after next election it doesn't matter to me. I haven't lived in America hardly at all in the last 16 years. When I retire from the military in four years I'm not going back there. So it's really not important to me. If your concerned about that •••• then form some sort of action committee to work for change.
The short answer to why I'm going back to Somalia is because I don't like leaving things unfinished. Add to that the fact that my wife left me because of my extended "visit" there, some of my friends were killed there (both Somali and American) and I have repeated nightmares about the place - you got the fucking idea. So I'll make the same deal with you I made with Sam. You fix Americas problems and I'll work on Somalias and we'll both be happier for it. Nabad Gelyo Abowe.

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Egal

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wow , bro i ain't uncle sam , but i assure wanna
know why so interested in somalia , don't just tell it holds alot memory for u , i do smypethize with(though u r a gaaaaaaaal , am i racist ) dat ur wife left n freinds died over there , but dat's not a convincing argument ,to me u r some guy who wanna make quick big buck n retire , i would say get ur ass down to florida n da keys ,n forget somalia ya heard me , but seriously why be so generouis , wat's da catch , by da way iam not american n i don't really care wat happens in da us,i thought if u r so good hearted n solve ur country's problem,
chill
Nabad galyo ,

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G.PhOnE

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Yo what ya all got problems or something, what ya gonna do, is this: SAY BLING BLING. Yo this and that bling bling, yeah sing sing , bling bling . Yeah I'm the king, Sing sing bling bling. I hope y' all gonna sing, bling bling. I hope ya know this is a wing, just just when i sing. Yeah i know i'm the king, when i say bling bling.

I hope ya all gona say bling bling, cuzz what ya all saying isn't worth a wing, BLING BLING

G.phoNE

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MAD MAC

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G.PhOne
Dude, other than the fact that you indicated that you think the conversation is not worth participating in I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If you're planning on going on to be some sort of artist I recommend you hang on to that day job.
Egal
At the risk of sounding arrogant (and I am somewhat arrogant - I'm a smart motherfucker) I have studied and discussed the Somali problem extensively for the last 8 years. I know more about why Somalias the way it is than any other Gaal alive. Furthermore, I think I know how to fix it. Now I'm pretty much an asthetic. I don't need money or a lot of physical possessions. In four years I retire from the Army with a pension of about $2,500.00 a month. Not a lot of money but enough to live on in Somalia. Plus my savings. If I can help turn that place around then I will have an enormous sense of satisfaction. That in itself is a reward. Now different people react to traumatic events in different ways. My reaction was to become obsessive. So there you have it. I wouldn't worry about it too much. In spite of my military prowess, I am a gaal and I think the chances of me getting killed are better than two out of three. But I've got no family and nothing to lose. So see you there buddy.

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curiousgal

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assalamu alaikum warahmah ma dear brothers and sisters in islam,

mad mac, mad mac, mad mac...i really can't help but to wonder this...that you're a bored somali who's just trying to mess with our heads...i gotta give to you tho...you're funny to some extent...so you say you mix religions if i'm not mistaken? would you kindly explain to me why?...just curious...ohh and if you are as you say (a white, american, who takes parts of religions and leaves the rest that doesn't satisfy him) then tell me what is in it for you to see somalia back on its feet...really what is it that you're after...i mean i can't help but to wonder why in the world you'd wanna help somalia when you're country is full of homeless, drug abusers and prostitutes dat need help? i hope no offence taken there just wondering why when you're own ppl need help, help foreigners (somali's are foreigners to you) i personally don't have anything against you being white or american for that case but just am curious that's all...well to the rest may allah bless us all and guide us to the truth. and to you mad mac may allah enlighten your heart with the truth and guide you to the only religion that's acceptable to him islam...amin wassalamu alaikum warahmah

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MAD MAC

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Curiousgal
OK, I'm walking into the mindfield again. Be advised that when I discuss this subject I usually get barraged with a million hammers about how I am trying to convert Somalis, that I'm Father Michaels, etc. So let me start with: I am answering Curiousgals question here and am not trying to convert anyone to anything. OK Abowe. I consider myself to be a thinking human being. I believe in God for several reasons. First, scientifically nothing comes from nothing. Therefore some miracle was required to create all that is around us. Miracles have to be created by what we would consider devine beings. I'm not polytheist although I have to admit it can't be ruled out completely. But I personally believe there is only one God. In my readings (I read a lot - I like to read) of the Koran, the Bible, the book of Mormon I see many commonalities and I see many things that I believe have been influenced by culture. Most people profess to be the religion that they were born in to. They never REALLY think about it. Look at your case. For a Somali to profess something other than Islam is totally unacceptable. Even in my somewhat more tolerant society, if I proclaimed I was Muslim some people would look at that as somewhat suspect. So I look for consistencies and when I need Gods advice or help I pray and ask for it. And this works for me. And incidentally I believe God has told me to go back to Somalia and try to make a positive difference there. I promised him I would. Hence no one here on the net is going to convince me not to go. Now, America does have problems. But America also has endless institutions to deal with those problems and plenty of money. I can't make a difference there. But I believe I can make a difference in Somalia. Also, I like Somalis. I have a lot of Somali friends who I do not consider "foreigners". They want to go home. Most of them hate living in Germany where they're considered social outcasts. I have some friends in Mog who haven't been able to find decent employment and every day is a struggle. So when I say I want to help Somalis I'm not talking about strangers, I'm talking about people I know and care about. Lastly, I'm not a Somali. I am what I've said all along I am. An American soldier who fought in Somalia. I was there in '92, '93 and '94. I had some wonderful experiences there and some terrible ones. I wouldn't trade that chapter of my life for anything, but it did change me in some ways. And one of those changes was a desire to return and try to make a positive difference. How many people have said they want to change the world? I'm planning on trying to change at least a piece of it. Does that answer the question?

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MAD MAC

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Curious
You know, I was just looking at your username and you an Abai, not an Abowe, huh? I wasn't paying attention to it before. Sorry.

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curiousgal

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wassalam all,

how is it going mad mac...man you just respond in a sec huh? boy you've got sometime on your hands...anyway your apology is accepted for calling me abowe, instead of abayo...ok i think you said something about ppl accepting religions they were born into or brought up in, or something to that affect...but i gotta make this clear and i can only speak for maself when i say islam for me was by choice not by force...i chose to practice ma religion not ma parents or anyone else for that fact...but i was always muslim although ba mouth and not action again i could've stayed in that route and never changed but by the guidance of allah i've changed alhamdulillah...but i could say that if anyone learned the religion the way it is without any culture or anyother thing attached they'd never in a million yrs trade it for anything else...but only those hearts that allah guides can be guided aright and those that allah led astray can go astray...you may not agree with it but frankly i don't care...i'm sorry don't mean to be rude...you're right many somalis don't practice the religion as they should but every somali and every muslim for this case knows that islam is the best way of life...even if he/she doesn't practise it...let me ask you this have you ever read the whole quran with the intention of trying to understanding it? cuz if you have you'd be more than amazed with it and not only parts of it but the whole quran...there are some verses that may be confusing for someone who does not speak the arabic language but trust me if you find a good scholar to explain you'd probably convert if it was meant for you...i maybe coming out like i'm trying to recruit you but aah i'm just playing your game that's all (saying that you're not trying to convert no one but at the same time preaching your beliefs)it's ma duty to try to tell you about islam but it's not up to me to change your ways it's up to the lord and then you...i'm gone keep'n preachin' till the day i die...but never force it upon anyone or try to...cuz allah says in the quran there's no compulsion in religion...ohh and ma reason for asking you the question about somalia...well let's just say i find it hard that you would wanna help somalia and somalis w/o wanting anything back in return...well it's possible that you're just a kindhearted doo who just so happens to like ma ppl...but i'm still not convinced yet (you can convince me but i'd have to see the action b4 i believe the words)

wassalamu alaikum warahmah to ma siblings in islam

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MAD MAC

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Curious
You need to look around this thing. Go to the one titled "Who wants to go back to Somalia" and read through it. That explains my motives. It's in some other ones here but don't ask me where. I've now explained this to Sam, Trouble, OPSODOS, Hebel and God only knows who else.
About the religion thing. You will note that I said I am only answering because you asked the question. So I'm not going to talk about what I believe anymore. But I am curious why Somalis (and Muslims in general) think it's OK to try and convert me but it's not OK when other people (Christian, Bhudist, whatever) try and convert a Muslim to something else. Doesn't that seem hypocritical to you. I mean, if everyone thinks their way is the only way then inevitably this will lead to conflict. Maybe it's because I was raised in an environment in which freedom of expression was sacrosanct do I find this difficult to deal with. But Somali men think it's OK to marry Christian woman but not the other way around. They think it's OK to preach Islam but not the other way around. Am I missing something here or is there a general lack of tolerance in the whole thought process? Now the funny part is, I have a lot of Somali friends. We seldom talk about religion but when we do I listen to them and they listen to me and that's it. No one gets mad or anything. Same things about other topics like politics - OK politics can get more heated, but we're still friends. So what gives here on the net. Are my Somali friends exceptional or is it something else? Can you help me understand this. I can't tell you the number of times people have called me Kufaar - and they don't mean it in a complimentary way.

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Laila

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Mad Mac,

Listen ignore these little brothers do not waste your energy on them.

I cannot believe I saw all your comments here and guess what I said these is You.

I like the way you responded and defended yourself.

Before leaving for Bosnia give me a call.

Thai Lady????

Give me a call.

ExHashi, do not say my name please.

You are something.

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MAD MAC

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Laila
I don't know how to call you so that would be hard to do. Also, I love my girlfriend. She may get rid of me before I get back but I won't get rid of her. The sun rises and sets with her. But I'll be happy to talk with you anyway - if I could. I'll talk with anyone. Even my enemies. And you sound like a nice person. Anyway, I'm probably too old for you (38) and too short (5'6") and too white - pale as a polar bear. But I appreciate the compliment. I'm certainly not getting many on this net. Thank God Somalis are more congenial in person than on the computer network.
Oh yeah, next time you hear guys bashing Somali woman tell them this story. I have a friend who married a woman - young,, very attractive woman. He was older than me but a good 10 years. Anyway, they got seperated during the war and she ended up in a refugee camp in Ethiopia. He ended up in Germany. They were apart for a tad under 10 years. All her friends told her to forget about him and find someone new. But she didn't. Eventually he was able to get her to Germany and they're together now. They're getting ready to start a family. My ex-wife didn't wait 6 months for me. Now that's a classy woman. Wait 10 years for her man - with no guaranteed end in sight. Only a Somali woman would do that. This is a true story - I'm not making it up. The couple lives in Darmstadt Germany now (really Pfungstadt).

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OPSODOS

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Laila:

What a shame! you have no xuushmo at all, gabarey where is your pride?

To be REJECTED on a discussion page! WOW --- i wonder are you one of those used N' abused loose cannons....... I FEEL SOOOOOOOO SORRY FOR YOU!

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khalil

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OPSODOS:


While you may feel sorry for Laila, i am feel sorry for you , too. It is because it seems to me the *only* reason you are attacking Laila is she hit MAD MAC, the man that you have crash on him babe!. Otherwise you wouldn't been attacked her that way. At least she has the gutts of expressing her feeling to this white lily-the MAC. I gave credit for that!.I could be wrong but my heart say so dear.Walaahu Aclam.


Have a nice day and be brave next time ;-)

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khalil

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Hey MADMAC.


While i may buy your story of that somali woman who waited her man in a decade, i would like to tell you , you have long way to go to know more about somali women and their true colors babe!. I hate going in to details here but in short, i say think again when it comes to somali women.


By the way, who is this Khallil Gibron you always talk about man? Is he the Lubnanese Poet/philosopher who lived in the US?. If he is that one, i read one of his books--the one that MUSTAFA(the chosen one and main character)is giving answers of all question being asked. That was good material. And Khallil is good poet but when it comes to poem i will go for the other Lubnanese poet ILiya abu Madi.

And hey about that question you asked me" if i know you" of course i know you motherfucker!. And i do remember how many somalis you gunned down in Mogadhisu. It makes me feel pain.And what is more painful than what you did is your words of coming back to somalia--that made me sick and i have been pulling my hair out. i guess you thought that Somalia is no man's land. And all Somalis are the peasants and needy ones you encountered when you were there. Does it ever occur to you that you are yet to see the Somalis?. The proud owners of that long beach!. I say you , you little YANKEE, think again of your ass going back to there.I wish if i see you there. Only Lord how much you will suffer!

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curiousgal

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wassalamu alaikum warahmah,

mad man...oops mad mac...you're right when it comes to somalis yes they like it to be their way or no way and that includes me when i say this...but let me tell you this i've been here long time (north america) and i've had friends of every religion and ethnic backgrounds...we would at times talk about religion and we'd end up debating and i found them (and i'm not saying this cuz i'm muslim) confused when they tell me about their believes...and they'd confuse me inthe process...but as far as us wanting to convert you...it's our duty to tell you about the religion but it's not upto us to convert you it's by allah's grace...so trust me we're being helpful when we try to tell you the truth...cuz it's honestly the truth ...but you believe otherwise and that's your business... ...allah swt says in the quran "there's no compulsion in religion" so we can not force you to believe in our faith but we can advise you and help you understand it... about men marrying women of other religions ie the women of christianity...well many like to avoid the restrictions, more like blind themselves of it and that's wrong...they're allowed but only if they can't find a muslimah that's all...and trust me that can never happen...yes as you said it's hypocrisy what ppl do...but that's what this whole world is build upon hypocrisy...i'm not trying to convince you to convert but i can tell you to consider it ; give an advise to you that's all...and i think i'm gone keep'n doing that lol!! by the way i use too many nicknames upin here and we've gotten into too many discussions (rather heated ones) but i think it's time i reveal who iam to you dont you think buddy? well i'm muslimah, taqwah and i think that's all...again i believe islam is the only way for human kind...i just hate ppl who try to defame it that's all...and you have a tendency to of doing that...correct me if i'm wrong aight...

anything i've misquoted, misinterpreted or made a mistake in anyway is a short coming by me and anything i've said is by grace of allah...may allah forgive and guide us all to the right path aamiin
wassalamu alaikum warahmah

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MAD MAC

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First OPSODOS
Well it's nice to see that your rude to everyone. Someone says something nice to someone else and you just have to cut 'em down. Does it make you feel better being cruel to other people. Now as for me, I don't give a ••••. You can say whatever you want to me. But why are you being an ••••••• to your sister?
Next for Khalil. I acutally didn't gun down anyone in Mogadischu personally. At least I don't think so. I only fired my weapon once there. I was involved in a lot of fighting but I'm not an infantryman so individual combat is not my role. That having been said, I am not denying that we (and I was vertainly a big part of the we) collectively killed lots of people. OF course, they were trying to kill us. Obviously you don't really know me, or you would know that I didn't personally gun down lots of anything. It's interesting how men who lost limbs in Somalia fighting us can sit down with me, eat a meal, have a conversation and be civil about it but that is beyond your capacity. I wonder why that is. Lastly, I am going back. I am not afraid of anyone so you can pretty much forget about intimidating me. Believe it or not I have plenty of Somali friends as well.
I'll save the best for last. Laila
Clearly you're an intelligent woman. You also seem really nice. Of course I'm sure you realise I didn't "reject" you. I'm just committed right now that's all. Anyway, I'm pretty smart and I treat woman well but otherwise I'm no prize. Still I would love to hear from you. So, against my better judgement I'm going to give my current address out on this network:

MAJ MAC
COMSFOR
Operation Joint Forge
APO AE 09780

I'll probably receive all kinds of hate mail but so be it. I guess hate mail is better than no mail at all. Nabad Gelyo Abai.

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MAD MAC

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Khalil
Yeah, you got the right guy and the right book. If you read that book then you know my philosophy - how I try to live my life (not always successfully but I try). If you really subscribe to his philosophies then you should be able to reduce the venom you feel for us - soldiers who served in Somalia. I've lost three friends there yet I gave up my hatred of the Haber Gedir a couple of years ago. You need to let it go man and start asking yourself why things went to hell and what can be done to rebuild Somalia so that people can live there in prosperity and safety.

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MAD MAC

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Curious
OK, if you want a full lay out of what I think a guy named Waryaa asked me back in the Islam section. You can find it under THE BI BANG THEORY AND THE DAWN OF LIFE. Acutally he and another guy, Bashir Adi, have some interesting quotes and information there. Well worth looking at even if your not particularly interested in my own philosophies. I gots to go. Nabad Gelyo Abai.

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curiousgal

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wassalamu alaikum warahmah,

hey mad mac ok i guess i've gotta apologize for ma harsh responses to you in different discussions...i guess you've finally convinced me that you're not father michael...i really am sorry...i've read the message that were posted under the big bang theory and that's how i was convinced that you werent father michaels...i hope there are no hard feelings...am as far as your beliefs are concerned well you're entitled to your opinion as we all are...some comments you've made have annoyed me...but that's all over with now...the point is you're not father michael...take care and again sorry for being sort of harsh on you...

you notice how i keep'n repeatin' you not being father michaels well its cuz i still have some doubts...i'm playing no for real you aight man...you is coo doo...when i apologize i also apologize for all ma other personalities...ie taqway, muslimah...

wassalamu alaikum warahmah to the rest of you

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MAD MAC

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Curious
I love that "all my other personalities." Too funny. Alas I'm only MAD MAC. If I had more than one personality I'd get confused. Of course, a lot of people on the net think
I'm confused anyway.
No apologies neccessary. It's pretty hard to offend me - although I'll admit OPSODOS and a couple of other charecters have a talent for getting under my skin. But only briefly and then I get over it. I'm going to stick under this header because there's plenty of people coming back to it. But I'd like to ask you what do you think is the best approach for establishing a Somali government?

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MAD MAC

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Curous
While I'm thinking about it - I have to admit I thought it was too funny when people were calling ME father michaels. I am anything other than a good Christian. I'm a soldier and have been for the last 16 years. Close your eyes and imagine what soldiers are like. Drinking, foul mouthed, womanizing. OK that's me. Does that sound like Father Michaels? You're more like Father Michaels than I am and you're a woman! I just thought you'd see the humor. Actually I've stopped the womanizing and moderated the drinking but in my younger years "I was not a nice man."

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Osama

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Hey you, MAD MAC or father Michael whichever you like, R U an animal? don't you understand that U R not welcome here? OK Go on and tell us your interesting stories.plah.plah.plah....Bull-S***

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muslimah

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wassalamu alaikum warahmah,

hello there mr. mad man...amm some priests drink, commit adultery, and even worse there are some who are pedaphiles...so trust me you're probably better than many...cuz atleast you're not hiding under religion and committin' such gravely sins...

ohh but you know what i've noticed about you...after reading the dialogue b/w you and brother bashir...you really don't know much about islam and you don't want to learn...well you don't wanna give any religion a chance to comprehend it...you believe that they're all partially fabricated and that's not right if you really seek for the truth you'll find it, so maybe you're not looking for the truth but looking for something that can be adjusted to your life style...let me ask you this tho were you ever betrayed by a leader of a certain religion? that may explain your view of the main religions...but i don't know how you can miss out the truth when it's right in front of you...see allah says in quran that guidance comes from him...who ever allah guides non can misguide and who ever he led astray non can guide so no matter what brother bashir, I or anyone else say unless it's by the will of allah you'll never change your beliefs...well all we can do for your sake is pray for you and keep'n preachin' right? right...

well i've decided to come in hea with ma favourite alias and stick with that for a while

hey take care all

wassalamu alaikum warahmah

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Laila

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Mad Mac

Listen I know you very well. Give me a call.

Do not mention our names here coz you know how they act like kids.

Listen give me a call. Do not forget your last dinner in DC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ethiopian dish >>>>>>>>>>>>>your mom was with us>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Listen give me a call before you leave for Bosnia was planning to go to nairobi this year I hope you know who this is by now.

I hope you know who I am by now.

This people of mine are Narrow minded.

Do not mention my name here at all please.

Waiting to hear from you ok

Bye Major

Laila(nick name)

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muslimah

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wassalamu alaikum warahmah,

laila, laila, laila...youknow i was really gonna just let your comment about us being narrow minded pass...but i couldn't man...i just had to reply...i really did...it was like ma fingers were running to the keyboard...listen young lady...i understand you may have something against our ppl...but what you've gotta realize is yes we have some that are not so understanding, some that are really stupid, and some that really are intelligent...and that's found in every culture...so pls don't limit us to this ignorance you're talking about...i wasn't trying to disrespect you or anything but i really got offended for we're all not narrow-minded...so pls next time you wanna diss someone(persons)then limit your comments to that person(s) aight...take care...and pls watch what you say...

wassalamu alaikum warahmah

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ALELA

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Masha Allah Muslimah?
I am deeply proud of U and your comment
keep up the good deeds

As for (LAILA) just remember the worst mistake is when U insult whole nation, especialy when U are one of them, so that makes U narrow minded
too..... u wouldn't like that would U??

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Alela

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MAD MAC
I am sorry for the insult that some people
put U in that satuation....
and for the answer of your question is===>
the reason that is diffucalt to find a Somalian female to go out and date Non muslim
white or black or etc..is that for our culture
and Religion I hope U can understand
and I U happen to see one or two who does
its cause they are breking the law both
culture and religion... and those are the weak ones.

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Alela

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MAC.
This is one of the good letter U should be getting!! cause only a good man(Human) admit the truth when it counts. for all I know U seem a nice person and i should say U are much better for whom cares about somalia than a lot of Somalis and for that I thank U and I please understand that a lot of Somali niceare out there just like how U realy like and care about the people the good once and I understand that
U are not interested in Religion etc but for the better of Somalia and I am open on any sugestion to solve the Somali problem whatever
I can help my country. and Once again
only one person thanks is better than 100 no thanks.....anyway there are alot of Somali
who realy wants to help somali but don't have the resource or man power.

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muslimah

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assalamu alaikum warahmah,

alela thank you walaalo i appreciate the complement and the courage may allah bless us and guide us on the right path amin

wassalamu alaikum warahmah

muslimah

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MAD MAC

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Laila
I don't believe it!!!!!! OK there were only three woman there. Without tipipng your hand let's see what I can figure out here. Answer one of the following questions:

a. You're ex-husbands name is Abdulkadir.
b. You're brother hung out with me in Nairobi last September.
c. You're the grandaughter of Mohamed Siad Barre.

I'm betting that it's A. Assuming it is: I already wrote you snail mail from here. I tried to call you the week before I left but you weren't in. Are you still going back to Nairobi in July or are you going to stay in the states for now. I still plan on going back in October and bring my girlfriend with me - assuming she's still my girlfriend. When you get my letter write back with your E-Mail address. I can't believe I bumped into you here in this forums. It's a rough crowd but you know, if you can't take the heat you got to get out of the kitchen. If you look around the general and Islam sections you'll see my presence has aroused a few people. But for the most part everyone's getting used to me now. My mom was asking about you the last time we talked. She hopes all is well. I told her I thought so. OK abai. Write me soonest, the mail system here isn't much better then Nairobi. Nabad Gelyo.

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MAD MAC

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I just re-read your entry. I know who you are now for sure - Nairobi is the tip off. Missed it first time through. You're real name is nicer than the handle.

To everyone else out there. This woman has spent considerable time on the phone working to convert me to Islam. Esspecially in the old days. Who knows, maybe I'll change my mind and you'll all convince me. I know Muslimah and Bashir Abdi are sure going to try hard.

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TroubleMajor

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LAILA....

I am sorry dear....if you are using English Terminologies.....please for God's sake use them correctly. Urghhhhhh....And for the record....it is not This people of mine.....Refer us as THESE people of mine....We mos def not your people....CAPISHE.....Coz Somlians R not NARROW-MINDED.....Au Contraire sis...

PEACE
TROUBLE

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MAD MAC

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Trouble
I hate to differ from you - we being so close and everything - but Somalis can act like Presbyterian Scotts when they want to. Although phrases like Narrow Minded and Closed Minded have negative connotations, the truth is Somalis certainly have the capacity to move down that road quickly. I think it's a cultural thing. Some of it stems from Islam, which outlines fairly defined borders for living ones life, and part of it is the Nomad rising to the surface. I'm not being critical here. Americans tend toward the hedonistic side, Somalis tend toward the narrow minded side. Certainly these descriptions to not apply to all Somalis or Americans. But I think its a fair generalization.

Also, cut Laila some slack. I've caught lots o fmy own mistakes her after the fact. You type fast and make some typos or don't really think about the proper grammar until it's too late. Happens all the time.......Capishe?

If you get bored - like I am frequently here - E-Mail me at:
comsforma3@sarajevo.5sigbde.army.mil

Laila, you E-Mail me anyway, bored or not.

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T-GIRL

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Mad"Millitary"Boy

I wasn't accentuating on her typos as such dear.. it was merely about the phrase she used to diss her own people. I don't mind if an outsider(such as yourself) comments on Somalia but it is truely not acceptable for a somalian to diss her own. I call her a Hypocrite. Say whatever U may. Although she is your friend....I will not tolerate any kind of put down on my country...from anyone.........CAPISHE.....

LOL....MADMAC...I can't believe U Capishe'ed me in my face

PEACE
TROUBLE

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maryooleey

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MAD MAC u need little reality check, YOU are not White, u r some lost somali soul, who has been among white pple far too long, that you actually consider yourself one, I think you are suffering from identity crisis....and I think that is sad, for the record, I dont give a dog sh*t who you wanna date....just be happy about who you are.

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MAD MAC

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maryooleey
You know my white friends say I act too much like a Somali, my Somali friends say I'm too American. I can't win for losing. So maybe you have a point on the identity thing. Also, I made a mistake in my posted E-Mail. Here is my real one:
comsforma3@sarajevo.5sigcmd.army.mil

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gabardadow

Thursday, June 29, 2000 - 03:19 pm
madmac

isgoranyo baad tahay nacas yahow afka kala maroogsan-----miyaad ifahmi? i bet u do!!

1Queston????
do u wash the •••• outa your ass after u poo?
i'm not talking about wiping it with some tissue paper ...
please let us know

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