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     | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:31 am I'm curious (firstly though, I date) BUT, I keep hearing "....oh! dating is haram"...or "you shouldn't have boyfriends/girlfriends.." so, if we AREN'T allowed to date, how the hell would we know who to get married to?? And I'm sure as hell ain't gonna do that whole "arranged" deal. When is a good age to date IF you think that dating is OK??
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| | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 08:47 am You make interviews with them.Ask them all the questions that would tell you if they are worth to be hired.Pick out the best from your applicants.Dont promise them too many benefits.It makes their head big.Ask him or them this.Do they think today's women should vote for the other party if he happens to vote for another.You be the judge then!
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| | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 09:13 am I agree 50% of what someone out there say. Tell ur brothers or u dad to find u a nice Muslim man. The u can't star Shukaamis with that man. Good luck
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| | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 02:18 pm ..and what man is going to admit that he sucks in bed, or that his dick is too small, in an interview. Damnn..girl...you right, i agree with you. You better test-drive the dude before you get into a crazy situation. peace out TheRebornMan
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| | Friday, September 29, 2000 - 04:15 pm Hi Layla, I think you raised a very interesting question. And as such I would like to contribute my two cents, if I may. I think we first need to define the word "dating." Dating in the West implies seeing a person of the opposite sex and doing together all the things that a married couple would do. I'm not saying that is what Somalis mean by dating. I was simply pointing out how dating is defined in the Western countries. If that's the kind of dating we're talking about, then I can assure you that's haram in Islam. Then, the question is, "How do Muslim couples meet?" Well, Islam has its own criteria and they are far superior to the Western one. Muslim man choose a woman based on her demeanor. If he hears good things about a woman, the man will ask his mum or sister to visit the house of the woman and report back to him. If he's satisfied with what he hears. The man will send a delagate, usually elders from his family to the parents of the would-be wife. If the parents of the daughter approve of the proposal of the would-be husband. Then a meeting is arranged and the would-be husband goes to the house of the would-be wife. They will talk to one another while a relative of the girl is present. That is done with the best of intentions. As we hear again and again, whenever two persons are alone. There's always a the third person along with them. That's of course satan. Satan will whisper into the hearts of the couples and will urge them to do things that are abominable in Islam. Satan will invite them into committing very shameful acts. This is how a would-be husband comes to know the past of his would-be wife. Now another question comes up. How will the would-be wife come to know the past of her would-be husband? Thanks to Islam, the time of marriage is the only time allowed backbiting. In other words, the would-be wife or people acting on her behalf are allowed to go out and question people who know the would-be husband's past. I think I said more than I should have. I hope my two cents will go a long way. Yet,I would like to invite others who have in depth knowledge in this subject to jump on the bandwaggon and expound more into this intriguing and capturing subject. I rest my case and stand-by for any further clarification that might be needed.
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 04:43 am yes Equalizer you have said more than you should have.I agree.
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 07:28 am assalaamu aleykum. To;Equalizer. Mashaa'allaah. That was wonder full!jazaakalaah kheiran, and i hope our sister Layla got her answer there. thanks bro/sis wasalaamu caleykum
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 07:40 am Equalizer It's an intereesting approach. I'm tempted to say that it has as much chance of success as any other method. I knew my wife intimately a year before we got married and we still got divorced. I think the divorce rate among Muslims is about the same as everywhere else, so it'S not as though the Muslim system leads to a higher divorce rate. That having been said, I would never marry a woman I had not slept with. The only way to know if you are really sexually compatible is if you sleep together a few times. However, I amend that with the following. If a guy and girl only sleep with each other, if they have no previous sexual experience, then to them bad sex will seem good. They won't know any better. So perhaps there's something to be said for the Islamic insistence on abstinence, although enforcing it through stoning is evil and barbaric.
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 09:53 am Mad Cow disease Spare us this agenda of the western Hollywood filmatography psychic.Normally i ignore your teachings but i must say something here.It's paramount.I insist.What do you mean you have to know if you and your future wife have to be sexually compatible?You make sex as this art craft that demands compitance and speiciality.I dont think so.Spare us this philosiphical thesis of sexual olympics.We have religeon and culture and respect.You might have such views,FINE!Keep them limited to your square head brain vesel.Not diverting from my point,i would say we do not need any technicality or new hollywood definition of compatibility when it comes to sex.get to basics.The only thing you need is,ATTRACTIONS,AGREEMENT,MARRIAGE,GETTING IT UP,AND THE ACT OF LOVE!Lets say we give you the satisfaction of prooving your theory of experiment of compatibility.What exactly are you looking from your partner,imagining its a female,how could she proove to you.its not like she is required to moan the right way or spread her legs the mona lisa,nevadican style or anything.What would you be looking for specifically!If there is any tests to be done is from her part.She should make sure you can GET IT UP.So take that Latin lover line to say 'i really want to know if we sexually compitible'to utah !Welcome to SOMALINET!BYE!
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 12:58 pm MAD MAC IS MORMON
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| | Saturday, September 30, 2000 - 02:16 pm Salaam to you all!!! First of all, I'd like to make a brief statement which might not have anything to do with the topic at hand. Let me start by saying Allah's Laws are just and fair. Even the time of the prophet (p.b.u.h), the non-believers used to go to him to get justice. As we know the prophet's judgement was based on the principles and laws of Allah. That per se is a strong and unquestionable proof that Allah's laws are fair and stand the test of time. If you ponder about all the sufferings and problems we've today. They are all the product of lack of justice; for we indeed strayed away from the path of Allah. Look at the high rate of teenagers' pregnancy, the high rate of divorces, wars, and the list goes on and on. All of that could have been avoided, had we followed Allah's laws to the letter. So, please don't come here to criticize His laws. Allah made those laws for a good reason and as such they stand the test of time. In brief, what I'm getting at here is that we should refrain from criticizing Allah's laws. Maybe some of us think that way they'll sound civilized. I just wanna tell you if you're one of those, then be warned; for you're just kidding yourself and selling your hereafter for a small price. So,if Allah sees fit and commands us to stone those who commit fornication. We'll do so in a blink of an eye 'cause we know we're to return to Him one day and be accountable of our actions. That's also the reason Muslims pride to have said, "We hear and we obey." Therefore, there're no ifs or buts when it comes to Allah's rulings. After that long premise, I would like to go back to the subject we've been dealing with. I'm not convinced that sexual incompatibility plays any material role when it comes to Muslim divorces. Maybe in the Western world does and for a good reason. In the West, the word "Virgin" has negative connotations. As such, almost 90% of the women who live there lose their virginity by the time they're 18 years of age. Since women here date lots of men before they settle down and get married. And since humans come in different shapes and sizes. Most men's tools don't fit properly into the woman's recepticle. Therefore, they've what's called "sexual incompatibility." In other words, the keys are too small to fit into the key-holes. Consequently, many marriages end up on the rocks. So, in order to avoid that most Westerners test drive before marriage. Luckily, the majority of the Muslim women safeguard their chastity until their wedding night. As such, we don't have to test drive to test our sexual compatibility. In a nutshet, when we're talking about sexual compatibility. We're actually talking about size and not quality or sexual techniques as many people would like us to believe. If it was about technique, then the damage it would cause would have negligible and reversible. However, the fact of the matter is that it has to do with size which is irreversible. I hope I've made myself crystal clear and exposed the fallacious views voiced by one of the readers.
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| | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 04:37 pm MAD MAC SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCK SUCKS
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| | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 07:26 pm Who's Mad-Mac the new Metrobus?
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| | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 08:10 pm MAD COW is A MASTURBATOR
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| | Sunday, October 01, 2000 - 10:07 pm Well, this subject got things fired up. Nothing like politics and religion to get you guys juiced. Throw a little sex into the mix and it's like putting flame on gasoline, something I always enjoy doing. OK, Equlaizer, when I meant sexually compatible I meant same interests in sex, same energy, interest in same acts. Some people like to have sex a lot. Some people consider it inconvienient and do it infrequently. Some people despise oral sex. Some people live for it. Some people thing anal sex is the thing. Some find it disgusting and unhealthy. You see my point? I wasn't talking size, which I have never found to be a factor (although I've heard of it before). So, it's easy to see how this could be an issue. I suspecct it's a little less so in Somali culture which tend to be patriarchal. Women are less concerned with sex than with having good man in other areas of life. I can't confirm whether or not this is true, I've just heard it before. Anyway, I agree with you that ultimately it has to do with different philosophies and approaches to life. Certainly a western approach is going to be more hedonistic. For the rest of you out there, is there a reason that whenever anyone airs an opinion you find objectionable you feel you have to launch insults? Can't you just disagree without callign someone ignorant or stupid. I mean, it would be one thing if I were postulating something ludicrous or grossly insulting - but clearly that's not the case.
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 09:29 am a man and woman need to know each other- emotionally speaking- before they can truly know whether they would like to spend the next decade (average rate for couples to remain married)- If a man and woman do not DATE- how can they know anything about their personalities- good and bad. Equalizer's suggestion that we can sit in a room with chaperones is ridiculous in this day and age. Maybe 100 years ago- when women were kept hidden from the rest of the society, when all that was expected of women was to cook and clean, MAYBE. But not today. Women, whether you like it or not, are a contributing part of the society. When choosing a husband we need to know if he is compatible. We need to know about his personality. We need to know how he handles pressure and stress. We need to know how he holds us and how we feel like being touched by him. I am not advocating pre-marital sex- but give me a break- at least heavy petting! This, after all, is the rest of your life- shop for it accordingly.
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 09:56 am Sexual Compatibility!! monsieur Mac!! Plz!! dont try and insult our intelligence, there is no such thing as (SC). in your second bulletin you said what you were trying to imply right from the start!!!!!! Oral Sex!!!! the most disgusting sexual habit anybody can practise, hell i dont think even think animals of any kind practise it. Its discusting and degrading..
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 11:05 am Maa Heee Actually lots of animals practice it. But that wasn't my point. If you aren't into a given sexual practice then don't do it. You will note, however, that the Qur'an does no1 forbid it. My point was, that different people take a different approach to sex. Some want a lot, some want a little. Some like Oral sex, some think it's disgusting. What would you d1 i0 you got married and then found out your partner expected oral sex from you? Lastly, you remind me of the old saying, why does a Dog lick his balls? Because he can.
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 11:59 am So far, I've basically got two extreme opinions: on one side, we shouldn't be consumed by the westernized ritual of finding a mate called "dating" and stick to the traditional way of "what you see, you like, you get". On the other hand, we have, "test drive the car before you drive it" mentality. I figured i'd get those results but to clear things out of the way however, I percieve dating as "a way of finding what type of a person you want to commit to for the rest of your life", you have to go through a whole slew of them before you find the right match. But everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I just tossed up the question to see what are some of the views out there. But keep 'em coming! peace
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 02:07 pm Mahee i agree,its disgusting and degrading.Mad Mac you surrely deserve a slap on the face.a really good slap to make you turn PINK!"  layla,your topic is interesting.My opinion is get to basics.Decent courtship and a better understanding of the person would be your answer.Now its not necessarily consired 'dating'..but..'rating'....rate your chances of liking the person.As you say you will probably be spending the rest of your life with him,its better you know more than his last name.Ali is not enough.You need to know the other Ali's of his family,his morality,his religeon,his status of seriousness and all those muslim aspects that brings a marriage together.My point,do your homework,before you attend the meeting.You've got to proove you know what you are talking about?eh! 
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| | Monday, October 02, 2000 - 04:15 pm Hi guys again, Firstly, I applaud you all for voicing your views in an open-mindedly fashion. Secondly, I would like to encourage you not to digress from the main topic by taking themes out of context. Indeed, some of you digressed so much that you have started a topic that is beside the point. For instance some of you talked about patriarchal systems, while others talked about perversions and so forth. Let me remind you that we were talking about dating and its rammifications. I would like we limited our focus toward that topic. However, I would like to respond to some of the points that have been raised in general. I think they're interesting and as such deserve some consideration. Let me start by talking briefly about Islam's view when it comes to anal and oral sex. The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: (It's related by Ibn Abbas) "Allah Most High will not look at a man who committed sex with a man or a woman through her anus." I, The Equalizer, have also heard or read somewhere a long time ago that anal intercourse will make void and null any marriage. This shows the gravity and seriousness of this matter. As for the oral sex, besides being disgusting as someone mentioned, it's of my opinion that it's also unlawful. Look, Allah created everyting for a purpose. Legs for walking, eyes for seeing, ears for hearing, tongue for tasking and praising Allah. In other words, we use our tongues to glorify Allah and also to recite the Koran when we pray. I ask , how can you use it to lick something filthy as a vagina. May Allah forgive us all (Amen!!!). As for the Koran not being in touch with our times. Com'on, GIVE ME A BREAK!!! The Koran was and is intended for the past generations as well as for the present and the future generations. The Koran stands the test of time, even after almost fifteen centuries, there's no one teeny-tiny mistake in it. So it will be till the day of judgement. Do you think man is wiser than Allah. GIVE ME A BREAK AGAIN!!! Look our relationship to Allah Almighty. He is the Creator and we are the creation. So stop the blasphemy here and now and plead for forgiveness before your time runs out. I admit what I've written is off the point as far as our topic is concerned. Nonetheless, I couldn't keep nice and quiet while someone was denigrating Islam what it stands for.
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| | Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 02:35 am TO:Layla. Waxaa wax lala yaabo ah qof raba inuu dood furan ka dhigo wax ka fog caqliga qofka Islaamka ah, taasoo ah aan ka wada doodna labo qofood oo aan isku qabin ninkaax waafaqsan diinta islaamka inay isu galmoodaan. Maxay tahay ujeedadaada markaad leedahay dhaqanka reergalbeedka yaan lagu cabirin ra'yiga ay dadku qabaan adigoo hadalkaaga iyo caqligaaguba ku saleysanyihiin dhaqan reer galbeed. Waxaan rajeynayaa caqli ku filan leedahay oo aad ku kala garato wax xalaasha ah iyo wax xaaraanta,marka adigay ku jirtaa haddaad u bareereysid inaad qasato waxaad rabto.
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 12:08 am To leyla ali sister my advice to you is to forget about dating guys because the big creator ALLAH has someone for you who is going to be your soul mate and yours only so sis don't waste anytime thinking about guys , just get on with your education, look after yourself and your religion. one day the right person which AALAH has for you will come and gonna treat like a queen. i hope you find him sooner then later. peace & harmony sis
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 03:28 am Asalaamu caleykum dhamaantiin!!!! Waxaan iidin sheegayaa amma aan rabaa in aan idin xusuusiyo oo kaliya in aad naan iloobin ilaahii na abuurtay oo kaliya iska ilaalidaan JEESJEESKA aad ku JEESJEESAYSAAN diinta ilaaheey!!! A S C freeman
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 05:03 am Equalizer I think your really reaching on the oral sex interpretation. The Qur'an is very specific about prohibitions. why leave this out if it is suppose to be prohibited? Also, while you do use your tongues for talking and eating, you also use it for kissing. The mouth is also a "filthy place" biologically speaking. I think you're rationalizing here, the same way a woman friend of mine rationalizes that the Qur'an really prohibits marrying multiple wives.
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| | Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 05:39 am You are all sick and perverted people who have gone away for the real topic at hand!! There are several ways to find the right guy, 1) You can be all religious about it like Mr equalizer here. You know the chaperon and everything else. 2) Let your parents sort everything out! 3) Have a real boyfriend/girlfriend thing and get pregnant and not married and with no boyfriend. 4) Or do it the best way I believe which is go out with a guy with the strict intentions of marriage from the start, and don't do this too often or else you'll never get a husband and you'll be branded. The good points about this are you, find the guy; your parents don't have to be too involved. laters and good luck from fadumo and suad
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 07:31 am Asalaamu Calaykum.. inta muslimka ah.. To: Layla Ali: Walaal waxaad furtay mawduuc aan sidaas muhiim iila muuqan, adiga qudhaadhuna waa u jeeda waxa meesha ka socda. Walaal hadii aad tahay ruux muslim ah xasuuso xadiiskii nabiga S.C.W. oo oranaayay: [Ama qayr ku hadla ama iska aamusa] maxaayeelay maalinta qiyaamo rabi ayaa ku waydiinaya wixii aad qortay amaba aad ku hadashay. Hadii aan u soo laabto su,aashaadii ahayd malayeelan karaa [boyfreind/Girlfreind]walaal adoon waxba is daalin waa xaaraam in aad lajiifsato nin aan ku qabin.. Ilaah ayaana naga xarimay arintaas oo ka dood maleh.. Walaal waxaad tiri sidee isu fahmaynaa hadii aanan xoogaa is arag, walaal Islaamku aad ayuu waasac u yahay hadii aad diin doontahay,, Gabadhii rabta amaba wiilkii raba in ay wada hadlaan waa isla hadli karaan si cad.. Laakin qofkii raba in uu wax qaso taa islaamku ma,ogolo, markale walaalay waxaan meesha ka daa hadii ay dhab kaa tahay waydii waa lidkaa sida wax loo shukaansado.. To: Dhamaan walaalayaal anigu waxaan dhihi la,haay in lajoojiyo arintaan aan waxba laga faa,iidayn dinbi moogiye, tankale hadii aan la dhaafayn walaalayaal ku qora afkayna hooyo si aan cidkale u fahmin,, walaal hadii aad English ku qortaan waxaa dhici kara in si kale loo tarjumo kadibna ilmahayna lagu weeraro.. taa waxaa daliil u ah ninka isku magacaabay [MAD MAC] oo u war eg nin gaal ah amaba gaalo raac ah. MAD MAC wuxuu ku doodaa in ay isu tagaan ninka iyo naagto nikaax ka hor, taas waa warkii gaalad oo cad, sidaa daraadee waa u jeediin maanta meesha aan taaganahay oo waxaanba gaarnay in gabdhihii na su,aalaan war malays qaabili karaa nikaax ka hor taa waxaa dhaliyay diin la,aanta haysata ilmahayaga war qof walbow ilmahaaga bar diinta islaaka inta aysan noqon too late...wixii aan ku khaldamay iga cafiya qayr ayaan rajaynaa iyo islaamaka oo la raaco aamiin,, Please use your own language without using slang words....
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| | Thursday, October 05, 2000 - 01:07 pm I know you guys will probably think this is pathetic?? Let me tell you a little bit about myself, my name is MO, am a palm reader or like the somali call it FAALISO!! I can tell all the ladies out there weather or not they will ever meet Mr Right. All you have to do is send your details(you know--how you look, what you would like in an ideal husband, a brief description of your personality. ooooooooooooops almost forgot and small detail about the three main arches of your palm to amsad@hotmail.com. damnnnnnnnnnnn things a brother have to do to get a wife nowadays.
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:37 am SOMEONE OUT THERE IT AINT LIKE THOSE DATING GAMEZ...GET UR REALITY CHECK....AIGHT
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:58 am from all the comments you see above us,what made you attack 'someoneouthere'?..lol
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| | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 08:10 pm I was quite amused to hear MAD MAC talk about "sexual compatibility" a phrase coined by women's magazines ,and in my opinion should be confined to the sensationalist,superficial and simplistic tendancies of this domain. One of the difficulties of modern relationships in the West is that instead of viewing sex as a way of cementing a relationship it is seen as a pre-requisite of one and that the quality of sex somehow defines the quality of the relationship. Consequently(in my humble opinion) there is a distortion of priorities with trust,honesty,integrity,understanding,compassion and ofcourse love as coming relatively lower down in the scale of things.As a result sex defines the relationship instead of the other way round. People talk of the 'seven/five year itch' saying that they no longer loved each other anymore and had 'conflict' when in reality they never did but were simply in lust and because of the narrow and shallow definitions of love in the Western world were able to get away with it with the greatest of ease.Contrary to popular belief the divorce rate in the West is significantly higher than in the less developed world. However as a Somali girl growing up in the Western world I am also appreciative of the few but salient advantages of growing up in this environment. Which brings me to the point of Equalizer .I actually appreciated what he was saying untill he inadvertently revealed his true colours. According to the Quaran it is an act of cruelty to have intercourse wih your wife without foreplay.The Quaran sees sex as a normal and integral part of a marriage.Unfortunately men (particularily in the Isalmic world) like to use religion as a justification for their misogynistic inclinations despite the fact that these bigotries preceeded monotheistic religion .So here we have a seemingly intelligent man refering to the vagina(no mention of the penis) as "dirty".Whether people choose to partake in oral sex is their business but please don't hide behind the cloak of Islam when it is very clear that it is not forbidden.You tried to use these loose interpretations to promote 'FGM',you would have thought you would have learnt your lesson by now. At the risk of sounding of sanctimonious I would like to say that the Koran is timeless or universal however an element of adaptation to the times is needed(female emancipation being the most obvious).As a result people should interpret accordingly.The Koran is a minefield of metaphors and subtleties (I read and write Arabic fluently ) that require you to tread in unknown territories and challenge conventional thinking.One of the gravest sins in Islam(which is hugely under-emphasised) is jugding other's celestial fate and accordingly coming to a conclusion about your own.In other words,'let he without sin be the first to throw a stone'.I am not saying that moral decay should be accepted but that men in particular should be more sensitive of their hypocrasies. I have slightly gone off at a tangent ,LOL,(due to my frustration) but I would like to say that as far as dating is concerned that we have to be very discerning as to who to date(to find a potential life partner) because of our current circumstance and come to our own individual conclusions of what is an acceptable parameter of conduct(within our interpretation of Islam),without fuelling the patriachal system that we have taken for granted for so long. Alot of people will probably think I am a white wannabee,but that could not be furthur from the truth.All I am saying is take the best from both worlds and think for yourself.
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| | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:02 am Dominatrix Abai, where is that part about judging others celestial fates?? Can you cite the verse for me please?? Otherwise your write up was very lucid. Incidentally you're quite correct about your assessment of sex in western culture. However, I would like to point out that the divorce rate among Somalis is about 45% - the same as in the US.
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| | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 08:03 am Dominatrix, I would like you to be more specific when you say something. Don't just throw it at us without elaborating on it. Further, don't read between the lines and put things that I never said into my mouth. Also, be less feministic and more pragmatic about the way you approach or criticize other people's thoughts. Why am I saying all of this. Let's analyze one by one what you've wrongly accused me of and what I've indeed said. You need to be more specific when you make a claim. You said women need emancipation. I wonder, from what? You didn't elaborate on that. Also, don't try to put words that I never said into my mouth. I never said or implied that Islam forbids foreplay. Just to remind you, in case it slipped from your mind, we were talking about dating and its ramifications. Therefore, when Islam talks about foreplay, it's talking about a married couple. So, please stick to the topic at hand without further distortions. Finally, when I was talking about oral sex, I was explaining to Madfac the reasons we as Muslims don't practice it. I didn't think that it was necessary to mention both sex organs to put across my point. Nor did I believe that was relevant to the topic we were discussing about. I thought mentioning one sex organ would suffice since our topic wasn't about sexual education. Unless, you're a stern feminist and with low sense of esteem, you would have understood I was implying to both sexes. As far as being a wannabe white trash. Go ahead, suit yourself 'cause that won't change a bit the color of your skin. You're and will always be as black in their eyes. So, just be proud of who you are and refrain from being assimilated. P.S., I still stand by my views against oral sex. I don't believe even in foreplay between married couples, fellatio or cunnilingus is condoned in Islam. If you've any concrete proof that contradicts with my views. Please quote your sources either from the Holy Koran or the sayings of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.).
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| | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 11:20 pm The Equalizer I do agree she overstated her case against you reference not mentioning both sex organs. I still disagree with you on oral sex. As I said before, the Qur'an and the Hadith are very specific about prohibitions. You are rationalizing here. If Allah was against oral sex, if it were prohibited, then why did he not just say so as he does with anal sex????? I have a friend who says to me that Islam really bans polygamy because the Qur'an says you have to treat all wives equally and that's not reeally possible. Again, I think she's rationalizing because she doesn't want to accept as aspect of the religion that she is personally oppossed to. I think you think Islam should ban oral sex and therefore you rationalize why you believe it is banned.
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| | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 03:05 am Mad mac did you say the rate of divorce among somali is 45%?Boy - i wonder where your sources are?Is it the 'Moryan xamaar magazine'....or the 'Love connection series' that comes in channel 4 in somalia.If you get my drift?
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| | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 07:24 am Yes mad mac,where did you get your statistic polls- we would really really really want to know..lol
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| | Monday, October 09, 2000 - 09:54 am Believe it or not, the Washington Post. They did this article on Somali relationships.
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| | Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 04:04 am Washington post did an article about somali relationship? yeah right! thats just lovely!
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| | Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 07:37 am lol mad mac...heey basra do u think this guy is believable as long as his name is mad mac,,,,,,i'm out.
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| | Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 02:11 pm To Mad Mac: About the divorce rate of Somali's being equal to the U.S I have to admit I find that doubtful from my personal expierence but this may not be representative of Somali's everywhere.It is also worth mentioning that the circumstances alot of Somali's have expierenced over the previous decade would have put enormous strains on the most stable families so it may not be fair to compare their divorce rate to the U.S. As to people judging other's 'celestial fates' I wanted to stress that Islam is a religeon of tolerance particularily to other belief systems.It is repeated all the time in the Koran that only God can judge of those who choose to believe and only Allah can bring people to account. There is no place for assumptions especially as every human being will visit Hell,although some very briefly.Infact the only assumption about going to hell is AbuLahab and his wife,mentioned by name in Surah 112,v1 and v4. To Xoogsade: What I meant by female emancipation was pretty obvious but I will spell it out for you.Men,particularily in the Islamic world have been resistant to women entering the work place,having the right to vote,entering higher education etc...you get the message.They have used Islam as a tool to suit a political agenda .So many people in the West see Islam as the culprit when this is clearly not the case.Islam introduced rights of ownership for women,the rights for initiating divorce and clearly states spiritual equality and accountability and this translates to all aspects of life.When I innocently state well known facts you automatically accuse me of having low self esteem (you're obviously no psychologist) and being a "feminist" like it might be an insult,lol).This is more reflective of your bigotry than anything else. As far as the subject of oral sex,it is no suprise to me that someone with such an archaic belief system will be opposed to it. The concept of mutual satisfaction is elucidated in a hadith(the chapter on marriage) which advises husbands to engage in acts that enable a wife to achieve orgasm first.If you still don't get it then ask a woman what that usually means!LOL.Obviously I am talking about married couples that goes without saying.It would have been specifically prohibited if this was misleading.Don't pretend to be a spokesman for all Muslims ,there is a whole spectrum of us. As for me assimilating,what alot of people don't realise is that there is a difference between progress and losing your identity.It sounds to me like you are very pleased with your life in the West and have little to contribute to the future of your country apart from insulting your fellow Somali's on this forums at every opportunity.
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| | Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 03:29 pm Now i find it ironic that someone with the name of "Dominatrix" would give views reference of Islam while maintaining that name.Ironic indeed!
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| | Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 06:48 pm To anonymous Reason is that..."someoneout there"...is old fashion..carrot head...that is why i attacked him.
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| | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 05:37 am Hi Layla I have founded answer to this issue, go and check my new message. only singe male / female Respect by blinddatemaster
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| | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:29 am HELL YEAH BLINDATE IS THE WAY TO GO.
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| | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:02 pm Sorry Xoogsade I meant the 'Equalizer',must have you on the mind ;-)
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| | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:23 am Dominatrix: No wonder I been so tired. It must have been running through your mind. A whole lot. Where is the oxygen tank. Btw: What do you say about the two of us hooking up? Minus the whips and all the dominatrix shitt,lol.
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| | Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:49 pm you can data but you can't do bad stuff because is haram and whan you guys get to know each other tell you'er parent and they will let you if they are nice poeple.
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| | Friday, October 20, 2000 - 02:16 pm Sorry Xoogsade, 'NO PAIN NO GAIN' is my motto, lol. Thanks anonymous your blessing means the world to us!You will be first on the list for an invite.
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