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IMAN...Sinner or Saint?

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:20 am
To all my beautiful somali women,

I don't understand. Or is it just me?

IMAN spreading herself all over Hello magazine with her second...(i repeat..second!!)non-Muslim husband? Tell me sistas is it fashionable to marry a non-believer? Where has our religion gone to? and can we pray for someone like her when she passes away?

DEAR LADIES..be honest!!

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:26 am
Where can i buy the Hello magazine?Shes my favorite star.

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T-GIRL

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:32 am
Hi Anonymous

U know what? It is in our culture to be a hypocrite and Iman has gone OTT. If someone we know personally gets rich or famous........us somalians never have a good thing to say about them. Honestly speaking I admire Iman for her outstanding achievements....Having said that I don't agree with her routes to achieve them. Nevertheless she has done something for herself. We don't have a right to judge her-only Allah can.

Why are we so focused on IMAN........What we really need to focus on is

1-Our youth who regardless of our religion are out there drinking, smoking and ignoring the elders
2-The thousands of somalians who are getting involved in inter-racial relationships(Men/Women).
Seriously I don't care what she does as long as she doesn't become a BLACK-SPOT in our nation. If you live in Europe and America..U know exactly what Im talking about.......

Asta la vista
Trouble

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MN man

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:33 am
I don'r give •••• bout Iman
case close.

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Hibo

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:35 am
T-girl... couldn't say any better.....
FOCUS on the matter at hand.. leave the rich girl alone... u can't change a thing...

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AMAZED

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:25 am
WHO CARES ABOUT IMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2 ME SHE IS NOT SOMALI.
2 ME SHE IS A HOE.
2 ME SHE IS AN UGLY SOMALI-GIRL WHO COULDN'T FIND A SUITABLE SOMALI HUSBAND..............SHE SAID IT HERSELF ON AN INTERVIEW.
2 ME SHE IS THE LEAST DESIREABLE SOMALI IDEAL.
2 ME SHE IS A DISGRACE.
2 ME SHE REPRESENTS A PURE SOMALI-HONEY GONE BAD.
2 ME SHE IS A SOURCE OF SELF-HATE.
2 ME .......................AND THE ENDLESS LIST GOES ON.
WHEN I SAW HER PICKS ON PLAY-BOY................>SOME GAAL FRIEND OF MINE BROGHT THE MAGAZINE 2 WORK,I WAS SHOCKED 2 SEE A NAKED SOMALI-WOMAN FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AND I WAS ALSO EMBARCED THAT EVERY1 ELSE IN THE ROOM BESIDE ME ENJOYED IT AND COMMENTED IS SHE A MUSLIM-GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:39 am
She is a bitch who will rot in hell if does not repent. How can anybody be proud of her? She is already a black spot in Somali culture.

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:46 am
TROUBLEGIRL POSTING TWICE IS NOT ALLOWED.BLACK SPOT.

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T-GIRL

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:52 am
I can't help but notice the amount of hypocricy generated in this place.

HIBO.....
The ignorant ones will never get it girl.....U noticed that too huh?

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Hibo

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:13 am
T-Girl... eye grabbing sis

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Abdul

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:25 pm
T-Girl you contradict yourself,

-The thousands of somalians who are getting involved in inter-racial relationships(Men/Women).

Iman is one of those aight'

Secondly, you say she has achieved something ?
Excuse Me !

What has she achieved other than selling her body to the highest bidder ????

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Basra

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 06:37 pm
Abdul
Iman has achieved an empire of cosmetics called IMAN COSMETICS.She has managed to create a one woman company that generates lucritive capital.Her make ups are specifically designed for women of color.She is a mother,a wife,a W-0-M-A-N!

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MN man

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 08:12 pm
I hate when Somali woman stick up for someone like that. Can U see shes worthless. Why not stick up for XAAWO TAAKO or ARAWEELO they probably deserve that kind of words.

T-Girl the only reason u sticking up for IMAN is cause shes married to British rock star, who is kufaar.

PPL don't forget INAA LILAAHI WA INAA ILAYHI RAAJICUUN

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MAD MAC

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:33 pm
You know I love Somalis, but this is typical Somali rumor mongering, holier than thou, bullshit. Everyone (except T-Girl and Hibo) are talking smack about Iman, as if they were something special. She's this, she's that. I'm sure all you critics out there always take the moral high road. You always pray, you always do the right thing, you never chew khat or drink, you never screw around. Come on, who's kidding who here. How many of you personally know Iman???? If you don't know her, then you can't even begin to pass judgement on her - so give it a rest. If you don't have anything nice to say, then just shut the •••• up.

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HIM

Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:34 pm
U SEE HIBA,BASRA AND T-GIRL R A TYPICAL SELF-HATING,GAAL-LOVING SOMALIWOMEN.

U KNOW WHY I SAY THIS READ THEIR RESPONSES THEY'RE ALL SIMILAR IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHY!!!!!!!!!?

IMAN IS A ------>B.I.T.C.H----->NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE MAKES$$ WHAT MATTERS IS HOW SHE MAKES THAT $$$$$$$$$.

DAVID BOWIE HAS ADMITTED TO A GAY-RELATIONSHIP WITH A GUY----------->AND YET U GIRLS ARE SO HAPPY ABOUT LITTLE COSMETIC PRODUCTS WHICH ARE FINANCED BY A PROSTITUTE(DHILO).

NO WONDER SO MANY OF U GIRLS FALL FOR THE UGLY,GAY,OLD,Mr:gaal.

THAT WAS TO THE CREW OF IMAN WANNABEES

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Abdul

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 06:39 am
Basra,,,,,,,, News Flash,,

Iman just gave them the right to use her Name for the products. She does not own any company O.K !
In the deal she also has to promote the products. Thats all she does Its called a No Brainer kind of deal O.K !! No Brains Required !

She has also posed Nude in Magazines !
She is Not a Role Model she is degrading and an insult to the advancement Women !

So Basra wake up and smell the Muffo !

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fatuma

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 06:50 am
Wake up and smell the Muffo, LOL. Am laughing like the world is coming to an end! Thanks Abdul, you made my day. Smell the Muffo.....

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Basra

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:43 am
Abdul looooooooooooooooooooool muufo kudille lol
Anyway Abdul whatever -all i'm saying is-Iman is a Business woman.And i dont think that relinquishing of her company is true.Do u have anmy facts?She is by any estimates a successful woman.Despite her controversy lifestyle i see no major setback as to why i should not admire her.Her sins and her woes should be Allah's place to judge not you!Thats my arguement,any more questions-call JOHNY COCKRAN...lolololol

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Kowsar

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:46 am
I agree with T-Girl and Basra about letting Allah judge as it is not our place to judge. However, I don't agree with the part about admiring her. How can you admire someone who purposely chooses the wrong path in life. She is a bad representation of not only the Somali ppl but also the Muslim Ummah as a whole. But in time Allah will judge her as well as all of us. But she should not be a role model to anyone who calls themselves a Muslim or adheres to the Islamic faith.
Thanks

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treasure

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:15 am
It's true we really should be focusing on ourselves then Iman, we do not have the right to judge others, it's her choice to leave her culture and religion behind.

Anonymous
If she did die you of course would be able to pray for her she she is a muslim, you pray for a brother or sister that dies.

I'm not hating her or anything but it is a fact that she left her culture...but at the end of the day that's her choice...

Allah will judge us all but it is not for us to judge

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Basra

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:47 am
LooooooooooooooooooooL people please dont stretch things out of content or context..whatever...lol.My point was- Iman should not be judged by mortals such as Abdul.We are all beings of Allah,no one has the right to judge Iman.Leave her alone.Secondly,when i say i admire her,i mean,she has managed to create a booming business company by herself.I admire the dedication and efforts ONLY!!!!!!!i Have no intention of making her my role model.I have my mother for that.She is my Dimond light and i look upto her.Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!,...lololol.Again,she is not my role model.I only respect her business organisation.About her 'Gaal' husband and her Model life,its none of my business.I'm not judging her morality or her sense of character?That is between Allah and Herself.Am i making a sensible arguement here?..lololo

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Abdul

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:28 pm
Ok guys stop it right there, where do you get this notion of "we dont have the right to judge" "it is not our place" bla bla bla, this is western bullshit, you cant justify anybody's evil acts by saying "its her life" or its his choice. You get feed this crap buy morally corrupt system and you accept it wholesale.

It is our place to hate what is Evil !

it is our place to tell our fellow brothers and sisters to stop doing things that are Evil. Infact it is your duty as a Muslim to tell your bro/sis that what you are doing is wrong !

You have been given the ability and the knowledge (I hope) to differentiate between good and Evil.

From that you can "judge" and act or advice accordingly. So all this bla bla about dont judge others is nothing but hoopla.

Dont confuse the issues here, Yes Allah is the Supreme Judge !

But you are also given guidance on what is Evil and what is Good ! Based on those guidlines you can then Judge and condemn what is Evil.

What Iman does is Evil and Wicked !

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Basra

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:06 pm
Abdul...............FINE......Go knock at Iman's door and tell her that.Dont insult behind her back.......lol.....and the idea of not our place to judge is not western?Its common islam creed.Abdul aboowe you have no idea about Islam iiskaa amuus...quruunyow!

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Dhakafaar

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:08 pm
Bravo Abdul. Bravo and bravo again and again. I get sick to my stomach when I hear all that non-judgmental bulshitt. Of course we have to judge and condemn depravity and evil.

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Basra

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:24 pm
DHAKAFARLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
XOOGSODE NICK SOUNDED MORE CUTE..LOL

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Alyisa

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:37 pm
Basra,

"...the idea of not our place to judge is not western?Its common islam creed"

I beg to differ! So I guess we shouldn't condemn those who commit adultery, we shouldn't condemn those who drink and we shouldn't condemn those who prostitute because it's not our place to judge and we should let them be right? Does that sound logical to you? To dismiss the evil acts of ppl by claiming it's not our place to judge is most certainly not a "common Islam creed":O To say would be lowering Islam to the status of western mentality.

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Waleed

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 06:32 pm
Okay Ladies and Gentlemen, This is really very interesting topic since Iman is under the microscope. There is a famous Xadeeth in the meaning of ( Whomever encounter immoral act or Disgusting behavior, then you must change it by your hand, and if you can’t, then try to change it by your tongue, and if you can’t, then try to change it by your heart, and that’s the least you can do). So, instead of directing your useless anger toward her, try to make a Ducaa to her for Allah to direct her to the right path, as you all know already, One of the strongest man in our Prophet Moxammed ( Peace be upon him) time was Cumar Bin Alkhattab who hated our Prophet (Peace be upon him) so much, but at the end he became one of our prophet companion. I'm not approving what Iman is doing, but she is an adult with a brian in her skeleton head, and all we can do is pray for Allah to speed her recovery from insanity or mental retardation.
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T-GIRL

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:00 pm
Wow U guys are making a mountain out of a mole-hill. Dang.....Since I love controvercial issues I shall butt in then shall I??

Abdul
All I meant by my statement was(if U read it at all).......that IMAN is a self made woman. Whether she made it big in selling her body or selling her soul...is not my business. What I want to ask you is Mr Shiekh Abdul is

-Why is she any different than the Warlords that commit adultry/rape/homicide and corruption back in our Islamic nation?Don't go far ...look into Somalia(Our so-called-war-veterans-).
Just coz we see her on the front pages of some sleazy magazine.....we recognise her being as our blood, we assume automatically that we own the copyrights to diss her.
All Im adding to that is that just coz she didn't aquire fame by killing someone or stealing something .......I reckon we shoulds leave the judgement to Allah......Don't you? And stop playa hating bro.....U know as much as I do she has the full ownership to her company. Muufada ha kuu macaanato saxiib...LOL

MN MAN
My admiration to her has nothing to do with her marriage to that PUNK Bowie.And just coz I live in London don't mean that I like every British bafoon that emerges from the TELE......

HIBO/BASRA......
Don't argue with the narrow minded brothers. They'll know what we bla-bla-bla-ed about someday.

Muran badana kuwaan "IMAN-KA" Allah idin dhaaf...LOL

PEACE
TROUBLE

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gUILTY

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:50 am
TO; ALL PEOPLE


IS SHE MUSLIM?

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Just a thought

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:44 am
It is sad that anyone in his or her right mind can stand here and start defending Iman be it a success in building a company directly from the proceeds of haraam ventures or be it cause it is a controversial issue in the case of T-GIRL.

The facts of this case and which we can rightly judge is Iman has taken the wrong(sinful) course by exposing herself, "marrying" a gaal, and even going by the western standards taking phonographic pictures and posting them on the net!
We should neither defend her nor imitate her. Pray for her to get on the right track yes. May Allah show her the right path. Amiin.

T-GIRL noone has defended a warlord but in that regard I would like to tell you that the acts of murder, rape etc are sinful but remember it is not a warlord who has done that but us ourselves and the "warlord" is a creation of our own imagination to hip on all the blame that is rightly ours.

Madmac, No one is in competition on morality and the fact that one can voice his or her opinion should not make you angry because you do not believe the same as we do. May I ask you what your religion is?

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Abdul

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:40 am
-Why is she any different than the Warlords that commit adultry/rape/homicide and corruption back in our Islamic nation?Don't go far ...look into Somalia(Our so-called-war-veterans-).

T-G,
First of all the tpoic at hand is not about Warloards or their Morality. You may draw a parallel arguement but that is Not the topic on this page !

We talking about Iman or Any other individual who makes his/her Money or seeks Fame in the same way as she does. While at that, their is a issue that seems to have overshadowed the debate, and the issue is this

"Is is our place to judge" ?

My answer is straight and clear, YES !

Infact we make judgement calls almost Second !

if you are a Muslim then your judgement calls Should, (the operative word here is "Should" ) be in line with the Islamic code of conduct.

The question posed on this page is a Moral question, this question in itself begs another question which is, Where do you derieve your morals from ?

Is it from Western philosophy ?

Or is it from Islamic codes of conduct ?

If its from Western philosophy then I understand where you are coming from "we dont have the right to judge others"

But if its from an Islamic point of view then, the answer is the opposite to the western ans.

If I see a Homosexual you are telling me I cant judge him, give me a break.

Basra,
you should learn how to put your point across without insulting others. You have a long way to go ! :(

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Anonymous

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:42 am
I cannot believe we are wasting our time even talking about that woman! To me personally she is not muslim because: she does not pray ,she married a gaal, she sells her body literally and she is proud of it! Thats my opinion. But please to all those defending her GIVE IT UP!

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Dhakafaar

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:55 am
Basra:

You don't like my new nick. Dang I was so proud of it.

Anyways what I was gonna say is I have just come into a bootleg dvd of "Dr T and the Women" so I was wondering if you would like to come over to my place to warch it with me. That is after we enjoy my specialty, candlelit, dinner of Tenderloin steak, layered with foie gras, asparagus spears and truffles followed by a toasted Italian couscous with a salad of organic greens. The dessert is specially handmade creamy and delectable macadamia nut and pecan vanilla ice cream covered with white chocolate shavings and a touch of chocolate sauce.

Btw:

Xoogsade is dead. long live his heir Mr Dhakafaar.

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Troublegirl

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 02:00 pm
Dhakafar
Macademian nuts and chocolate sauce........IM IN...LOL....Where did ya get that nick from anywayz???

Abdul
Im gonna argue with U another time....I just wish U saw i-2-i with me....Midispiaci my brother midispiaci

PEACE
T

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Sweetlips

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:16 pm
To all those people sticking up for iman, i feel sorry for you guys.

Iman is nothing but a big slite. She brought shame to our religion, culture and even the word somali.she merried a non muslim guy and selled her body to all the kufaars in the world.
people ask us at school are all the somali girls like that?. Do they realy sell their body because of money?.We thought muslim people had decnity but know we know they don't? Am always into trouble defending my religion and my culture,some of you guys are defending her insist of the religion. I realy feel sorry for you guys.

I just pray to Allah that We The somalian can get back to our normal life.I'll they for hunger then double crossing my religion and culture.

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Sweetlips

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:18 pm
To all those people sticking up for iman, i feel sorry for you guys.

Iman is nothing but a big slite. She brought shame to our religion, culture and even the word somali.she merried a non muslim guy and selled her body to all the kufaars in the world.
people ask us at school are all the somali girls like that?. Do they realy sell their body because of money?.We thought muslim people had decnity but know we know they don't? Am always into trouble defending my religion and my culture,some of you guys are defending her insist of the religion. I realy feel sorry for you guys.

I just pray to Allah that We The somalian can get back to our normal life.I'll die for hunger then double crossing my religion and culture.

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Dhakafaar

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:19 pm
Troublegirl:

Look me up when you are next in the great white north. I will whip up something delicious for you.

It is not likely I will come to London. One day I was in the Underground at Swiss Cottage on the Jubilee line when I was attacked by a rat the size of a small goat.

Dhakafaar describes my current state of mind.

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sweetlips

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:22 pm
To all those people sticking up for iman, i feel sorry for you guys.

Iman is nothing but a big slite. She brought shame to our religion, culture and even the word somali.she merried a non muslim guy and selled her body to all the kufaars in the world.
people ask us at school are all the somali girls like that?. Do they realy sell their body because of money?.We thought muslim people had decnity but know we know they don't? Am always into trouble defending my religion and my culture,some of you guys are defending her insist of the religion. I realy feel sorry for you guys.

I just pray to Allah that We The somalian can get back to our normal life.I'll die for hunger then double crossing my religion and culture.

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sweetlips

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:26 pm
Sorry for the double posting

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MAD MAC

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 05:26 am
Abdul, Alisya and the rest of you Qur'an thumpers. It isn't your place to pass judgement on what other people do or don't do. Who appointed you as Allahs judges????? You something special???? Your right to throw a punch ends where my nose begins. Whatever Iman is doing harms only herself. The argument that others copy her is fallacious. Others can read the Qur'an and make their own decisions. I'll bet you have committed sin too. Try reading Surahs 34:25,26 or 53:32. All of you saints out there have surely committed sin as well. And only Allah can determine in the end who deserves what punishment. It is not for you to decide. You can reject her sin without condeming the person. You can reject the act, just as all sinful acts, while at the same time recognizing that no one is perfect. You are talking smack about Iman as if you are something better, when in fact Allah may well judge your sins far more harshly than hers. For people who think that the notion of not passing judgement if a western one, that's because you don't know your own history. The core of this idea was taken by modern Western Society from Islam during the reformation.

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Basra

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:31 am
DhakafarLoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool I dont eat any cattle meat,so tenderLOIN stake is out of the question.And i'm allergic to peanuts or any nuts.Mr T and the women sound FANTSTIC...But i can't watch it with you.You'll be too busy discussing the places of women and the philosophy of somali and what it takes to deserve the name of somali and ..really aboowe..at the end of the day i'll be so tired of refuting and justifying everything that i wont even have a chance to see Richard Gere in his briefs.lololol.

Although i was quite fascinate by your choice of film.its really hopeful..lol

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Basra

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:46 am
Abdul

Ok i'll be reasonably collected.My point was - iman is obviously not a model for somali women.Or A Muslim woman.Or even a perfect Woman.She is only a humanbeing who is predictably inperfect.Islam does not promote judging but counselling and guiding.If you feel Iman has sinned and is this terrible representative of somali and islam,you ought to stand up and say it to her face or correspond with her.Do you know that by bashing her and talking about her sins behind her back,technically puts you in direct conflict of your claim."The Poster de la Holly Me"You present an image of self righteous and still practice one of the most evil act in Holly Quran's prohibition.'Backbiting'..its called.That why i brought up the element of not judging.because by voicing your disapproval without the subjects presence is really gossiping.Haraaaaaaaam!..lol
And the question of seeing Homosexuals and other abnormal practices is just another example.If you see them,preach them the right path.Tell them its Haraam and Allah will award you.Dont associate yourself with them or make them feel its ok to do whatever they are doing.That why i'm saying- Iman will not get my Poster role model vote- only my vote for a successful somali woman making it big at obstacles of great nature.I am i making a clear arguement here? .lollol

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Xoogsade

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 01:14 pm
Mad Mac:

I thought you were better than that. I have yet to see such manky reasoning from someone of whom so much more was expected. Or is it a deliberate casuistry to lead the faithful astray?

There is a difference between the judgement of which the Koran speaks: It is the ultimate one; the exclusive preserve of Allah.

We speak here of social censure and opprobrium heaped on those who would bring our religion and culture into disrepute. There are young people out there who might think this lady and her actions are worthy of emulation when that, plainly, should not the case. Growing up in Siyaad Barre's godless Somalia we used to see her picture occasionally featured in the paper with approving captions of a local girl made good. I only wish that there were countervailing portraits available at the time to expose the woman's morally questionable activities. In such a way are the impressionable minds of youngsters poisoned.

That is not to say we should jail her or stone her to death- attractive as that sounds- but rather we should socially ostracize and isolate those who are soiling the good name of our faith, and the more high-profile the personality the harsher the (social)sanctions and rhetoric until such time as they amend their ways. The public interest outweighs everything.

And yes it is true that in the day of judgement she may fare better than all of us. That ultimate judgement is in the hands of Allah. All we can do is try to live our lives as close as possible to the truth He revealed us. We should declare that truth at every turn and condemn those who stray from it even if ONE finds ONESELF in their inglorious company. Do as I say and not as I do. After all there is a world of difference between a drunk who is aware of his transgression, who only steals a furtive swig when he can and the one who proudly displays his shame as he glorifies his drunken squalor.

And yes I am bad muslim and I pray to Allah to make me a better one. But nobody will beat me to the line in condemning bad people like Iman (and myself, lol).

So Mad Mac I will be watching you with a jaundiced eye from now on. You are a true enemy of Allah. That much is for sure. I just don't your motivation

Xoogsade

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Xoogsade

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 01:18 pm
Basra:

I look great in my briefs too.
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If you overlook my two bellies. They call me two-bellies Xoogsade.

And I am younger than that white boy by two years.

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T-GIRL

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 01:46 pm
So U saying U got tyres the size of a truck...LOL
U confusing me know XOOGSADE...With your names

TROUBLE

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hakiim

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 02:28 pm
well said xoogsade bro just as I was about to teach this gaal and those pro-gaal crew a lesson U toke care of business on behave of all of us in their right sate of mind.

once again well said my BROTHER

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Basra

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 03:35 pm
It's terrible to see gradual growth of people agreeing with Xoogsade...lol..i feel its a World environmental catastrophy.Anyway Xoogsade there is no reason for you to have a belly.Please go to your nearest GYM and flat it out.Its not attractive....lol...and did you say you are two years older than Gere?Grascious !..lol...But you know there is a double standard perception between you and Gere.His looks ofcourse...lol..Ok you might be somali but....not the most favorite somali..lol.

GYM -xoogsade....please.looooooooooooooooooool

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MAD MAC

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:57 pm
Xoogsade
Now how do you know that I am an enemy of Allah??? Did he come to you in a dream or something and say "Beware, MAD MAC is my enemy". Why do I have a sneaking suspicion this is not the case? I have explained my motivations over and over. Surely by now you have read them. I am neither an enemy of Islam nor an enemy of the Somalis. In fact, as white guys go, I'm the best friend Somalis have right now. So don't be a moron, everyone who doesn't agree with you is not an enemy of Allah.

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Hibo

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 10:30 pm
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooollll................................T_Girllllllllllllllllllllll............Way to go sis........
Imaanka ala nii dhaafi.......that was agood one... sis.. walaahi it cracked me up.....lollllllllllll.............seems like I have inherited Basra's lolliiiiiiiiiing fashion............looolllllllllllllllllllllllll

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shukri

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:06 am
Iman will never change. I remember her since back in the day when she was a prostitute at NEW STANLEY HOTEL, NAIROBI.The only thing left for her is to convert to christianity officially. Not that she hasn't morally.

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MAD MAC

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 05:24 am
A Prostitute at the New Stanley hotel??? There was an opportunity lost!!!!! Now you tell me.

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Anonymous

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 05:59 am
Shukri you must be very Old ! oowch, that must have been way back in the Seventies when she lived in Nairobi. LOOOL

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CONCERNED CITIZEN

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 07:03 am
To Basra

Pardon moi!
What did the WHORE achieved..maybe marrying

* a faggot
* a bisexual
* a gay

Well what she does is none of my damn business..but she is embracement to the SomaliAN nation...and even b4 that an embracement to the Muslim religion..n the eyez of ALLAH.

THERE IS SUCH THING CALLED...GOD WILL JUDGE HER!

BESIDES DO U GUYS KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR IT WAS ..BUT I THINK..IT WAS 1989..SHE got into a car accident and she said...she only..only

REMEMBERED ALLAH..THAT DAY.

MY GOD BLESS HER........SAME GOES TO WARIS..THE OTHER MODEL..N KADRA

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iman rep.

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 06:07 am
Iman is a sinner and a saint.Which makes her ahuman.

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Alyisa

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:37 am
Mad Mac,

It is clearly understood among all Muslims that Allah is the only qualified to judge a human soul. However by the grace of Allah we're granted with the ability to differentiate between good and evil based on the teachings of the prophet and the Quran. We can therefore judge the actions of a person as being either good or evil according to the shira'a (Islamic laws). Once that judgement is made members of society are obligated to up hold the laws of Allah outlined in the shira'a and then take appropriate actions.

What Iman is doing would be considered a crime in a truly Islamic society(key word being TRULY). She would be charged and tried in an Islamic court under the laws of Allah.

I guess this must seem unusual to you coming from a society where pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry, where prostitution and gambling are legal as long as the government profits from it. A society where homosexuals can roam around and where people consider the murder of an unborn child freedom of choice. All of this, of course, being the result of "it's not our place to judge" mentality.

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Xoogsade

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 12:48 pm
Alyisa:

You are a beacon of light in a sea darkness.
You wrote everything I meant to
write but was not smart enough
to put into words.

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Anonymous

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:15 pm
Xoogsade@lol

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Basra

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 03:24 pm
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool Xoogsade Please- Pardon me if i laugh to that mean remark.

Concern citizen.....tu ne pas pardonez!..lol

Can i say this for the last time.Iman's achievement are Her company Iman's cosmetics.Her Husband whatever it is or he is - je ne sais pas- its none of my business.Her achievements are running a multi billionaire empire that generates capital and also her acomplishment in good business skills.I'm not questioning her Moral achievements.I think that is what you are looking for.Am i making an arguement to an educated reader? Sil'vousplait.Mon dieu!

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Abdul

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 04:21 pm
Alysia, Mansha-Allah !~

Now where can I get a sister like that ?

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Anonymous

Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 06:13 pm
I Love Iman.Shes's Gorgeous.

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Bashir

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 05:41 am
Did y'all know that her older daughter Zulekha is a practising catholic?.The newborn one Alex will be baptised soon. So y'all iman fans, put yourself in her shoes. then on judgement day, ALLAH will ask u "MA DIINUKA"? I hope u'll have the answer sistas.

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somali

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:44 pm
To: All naagaha afka xun:

Wax isku fala.............dadka lama caayo.

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MAD MAC

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 02:46 am
Alyisa
In a truly Islamic society everyone would be guilty of someone. Are you telling me you've never sinned? Think of the vast littany of Islamic crimes which call for punishment. Every society has to have rule of law for it to function - or it will look like Somalia. You think a more conservative approach breeds a healthier society, fine. I'm not criticizing that. However, Iman doesn't live in Somalia, she chose to split, because obviously she sees things differently than you do. You want to live a monastic life governed by the Qur'an, that's fine. But if you think that makes you better than someone else you're just fooling yourself. God is the final arbiter of that. You want to live in an Islamic country (or the closest you can find to it) move to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. They're nice places to live. But in America it's not your place to judge. Don't like it, leave. No one's making you stay there. Frankly I don't understand why someone as committed to Allah as you obviously are would want to live amongst a bunch of lousy Kufaar when you could live with your obviously superior Islamic brothers and sisters in Somalia.

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arawello

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 10:38 am
To Mad mac

After i saw this i think i have changed my mind because you sound to me a very write wing person

I do not agree with you your first sentence because we are humen being so whenever we make mistakes we repent so we are not guilty of big sinners

and your last statement it is more or less what i want talk about

so can i ask you if we moslims for whatever reasons left where we were born cannot we live here remaining good moslims okey there is no ideal islamic gover but i do beleive there is some kind of democracy and understanding in the west but is it some kind of doubl standard

okey my countrymen supposedly moslims commited the worst ever crime in the minkind second to kosovo and bosnia but i as a moslim somali women why do i

or do suffer by the hands direcly and indirectly of those at the sametime cliamed and i beleved them to be democracy

NB i wanted to talk more about personal experiene both somalis and westerns but i think i have to be very carefull now

i do not mean you are not willing to do so but i can see we will disagree by the first sent


Arawello

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Ice-Man

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 01:44 pm
Iman is not a spokeswoman For Somalia, but my opinion she is nothing but a Fag Lover a whore and she will do anything to get few Dollars a waste of human being

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MAD MAC

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 12:14 am
Arawello
I am sure you and I will have divergent viewpoints on a number of issues. That's Ok. It's Ok to agree to disagree. OF COURSE A MUSLIM IS WELCOME TO LIVE IN AMERICA. You have every right to live there and practice your religion. But remember, in America, your right to throw your fist ends where my nose begins. What I am saying is the people here who are criticizing Iman may certainly do so. But I believe that their assertions that they are better people - or that Iman is a terrible Somali woman but they are not - are off base. At the end of the day only God can make that judgement. The notion that she could be punished under Qur'anic law doesn't apply because in America Qur'anic law isn't applied. Ergo, what I was trying to explain in a pointed way to Alyisa and Xoogsade is before they start criticizing someone they don't know, who has never done any harm to them, they ought to look in the mirror. I've never met a saint before and I suspect that they don't qualify. Imans sins are mild compared to those of many of their countrymen. That's all I'm saying here. Calling people names and labeling them "whore" etc. is the example of a small mind. I do not believe these people have small minds, but when they make statements like that, that is the image of themselves that they convey. Whether or not it is Islamic, there is something to be said for the notion "judge not lest ye be judged."

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Arawello

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 07:45 am
To Mad mac

Whether or not Islamic law is applied in america is anoter thing

Only God judges the poeple;

But the thing here is whether or not Iman is a good model for the young somalis and to answer that quesion we need to apply islamic law so Islamic law can be applied in diffrent ways

So according to our Law and way of life She is a very bad example

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T.L.C.

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:45 am
PERSONALLY i think she great, she the only good think about Somalia .She is a saint not a sinner and the sinners are those whom are living in the welfare cheques at least she works for a living. And it hurts alot of you guys to see a Somalian citizen who does not go social services.

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T-GIRL

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 09:44 am
R U guys still PAYA HATING? Like I keep saying to y'all......Don't hate the playa hate the game..and leave the poor girl alone.....

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Alyisa

Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 11:18 am
Mad Mac,

Yes in a truly Islamic society there would be no none-sense and Islam does breed a healthier society as opposed to democracy. If America thinks it has a right to oppress and kill muslims you can bet I have a right to judge and criticize America.
Don't worry I'm not here to stay, (although I love living in your wonderful society among your morally righteous people) inshAllah soon I'll be living among muslims in the one and only Islamic state.

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Sagittarius

Friday, December 01, 2000 - 10:00 am
Since I am a new comer to your discussion. Let me add this to the panel.

One day, a lady who was renting me an apartment tried to figure out where I was from. So instead of her banging around doors here and there, I told her that I was from Somalia. She instantly replied Ooh then that's Iman's home country!

The point being, this happened back in the old days when there were a lot of horrible images from the homeland. I was just grateful that she could think of someone glamorous as Iman might have been in her mind to associate with me, and then make me feel comfortable to close the deal.

On the flip side if she had mentioned anything about the distress back home, I assure you she wouldn't be able to sell anything to me, and I wouldn't have gotten the beautiful loft that I have now. Iman saved us both.

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