     wiilwaal | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 11:35 am
Well, it's not a big issue, but I am really confused about the origin of Somalis!!!!!!!
I am doing a research and you comment will be appreciated.
Thanks bro. and sis. |
| Somali man | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 12:17 pm
Somalis come from Somalia...i don't know why you are confused...Somalis are Somalis...not Arabs...not Ethopians...not Oromos...but we are Somalis...
Are we supposed to come from certain group or people...we are Somalis and we are proud of it...
Don'ask more!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| WIILWAAL | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 01:08 pm
It's a satisfactory answer my bro. I definitely agree with you. But the history requires more;the ppl in the world can be grouped whether in culture, color, language etc. For example: Most of Europeans come the barbers (Germany), Asians from India or China, Arabs from Qureesh o what ever, Iraq, Iran and money others from Persia.
I agree with you that we are not from Ethiopia and definitely not Arabs, but that is not enough answer.
I read a Book titled "THE FIRST FOOTSTEPS IN EAST AFRICA" 1845. it states that there were ppl leaving in the region before the Somalis come, probably "Galas". Is that so? and if your answer is yes! which I don't think it is, we did we come from?
Mr. Solamia call again, please?????
T H A N K Y O U |
| Somaliman | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 02:35 pm
Wiilwaal, i did not mean to be mean to be rude or enything. But, i got tired of our origin...some say we are Arabs...some say we are Oromos...some say we are Ethopians...i got sick of that...and i told my self "Can't we be Somalis?"
Wiil Waal, if most eurpeans come from Berbers (German)...if Asians are from India or China...if Iraq or Iran are from Persia, then we are from Somalia which lays in Eas-most Africa...aren't you proud the fact that our origin is Somali? If you are, then don't look any more answers...you have the answer!!!
I am not discouraging you to do some research, but you will stay confused as i was for years....
We are Somalis and we are damn proud of it, MR. Wiilwaal!!!!
Bro, don't take personal...i just hate people who say we are Arabs or the like (ie Ethopians)
Keep the ball rolling...if you have more convincing ideology that we are from somewhere else, then post it here
Real Somaliman!!!!!!!!! |
| Mh | Tuesday, November 07, 2000 - 04:06 pm
This is to WiilWaal:
sxb I am student @ University of Washington, and I studied computer science, but I have nothing much to say about your question. I heard many times that Somalian, Sudan, Ruwanda and Burindi used to live in east cost of Africa. Sudanese people where nomads as well as the Somalian. Then they left from Somalia to find a better grasing land, and they ended up in Sudan.
I am not really sure whether is true or not, but even one of my professor who came from Tansania originially told me that Rewanda and Brundi are originally Somalians.
I guess Somalian people are the crazy one who can't be shared with anything so that is why the Sudanese, Rwandese and the Brundians left the country.
I hope this will be the final answer of your question. |
| sweden girl | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 01:31 am
ya´ll....my mama said that somalis come originally from a man, nobody knows he´s real name..but the ppl called his kids and relatives (them all) so´mali...ya know soo maal tha geel and so on!! i hope this helps u out!! |
| Wilwal | Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 04:24 am
Thanks for your answers bro's and Sis. But believe me, more you give answers to the Subject in question more is getting confused.
Somaliman:
I am bigening to understand the fact that you have been confused for years. but don't take me wrong my Bro. I am not trying to base the origin of Somalis to some ppl just to make me feel proud. I am dame proud of being Somalian, and I believe every Somalian does, that has something to do with our culture and I don't know why.
Talking about being Arabs or Ethiopians, etc. I hate that more than you do. I remember a guy from Iraq, was talking to me in Arabic, and when I told him that I don't even understand he was really shocked, but then, I convinced him that we are Somalians "Non-Arab Muslins" and we got our own Language.
Mb:
Taht is absolutely a logic theory, I will keep that till I get a contradiction. I will thank you for that.
Sweden girl:
You are wright that we come from that Soo-maal guy, but the question is where did "He" come from?, where are his his bro's and sis's?, where is his parents?. Ask your mam if she is around please. Takecare sis. |
| Kamal | Thursday, November 09, 2000 - 05:35 pm
Inta aynan ka jawaabin meesha Somalidu ka soo jeedaan,waxaa mudan in la isla meeldhigo qabiilada ay somalidu ka kooban tahay xagee ka soo jeedaan.markaas ayey noo cadaan meesha somalidu originaly ka soo jeedo. Qoraalo arintaas laga qoray qaarkood ayaa waxay sheegayaan in qabiilka uu ku samaysmo : somalida oo had iyo jeer isdagaasha oo waagii hore seefo ,warmo iyo falaaro isku dagaali jirtay oo qolo walba inta kuwa kale rag badan keenaan goobta ay guusha uga dhowaan jireen . Qabiiladii yar yaraa ayaa waxaa ay isku dayeen inay taxaaluf la noqdaan kuwo kale oo iguna yar si ay kuwa waaweyn isaga caabiyaan oo dumarkooda iyo xoolohooda uga ceshtaan,taas oo ah tolnimo ee aanan ahayn wada dhalasho ama nasab meel ka soo wada jeeda. Hada inta somalidu burburtayna waan ku arki karnaa taas ,horayna waa jirtay oo waxaa jira qabiilo kuwa waaweyn ka mid noqday horayna ugu jirin meelkastana oo dhulka somalida kamid ah waa ku arkayaa qofkii u dhabo gala. Khilaaf aad u wayn ayaa ka jira arintaas, oo dadbadani waxay sheegteen inay carab ka soo jeedaan,kuwo kalena afrika. Dad badani waxay u arkaan in somalidu Oromo ka soo jeedo markii ay fiiriyeen dhinaca luqada oo aad isugu dhow . |
| kaftan | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 06:53 am
TO= kuligiin jeega dheerayaasha
Abaa soomaalida waa soomaaliya magaca soomaaliya waxa loo bixiyey mardhow laga joogo 200 sano ku dhawaad oo waxaa u bixiyey talyaaniga oo marka ay odayaasha soo dhaweeyaan dhihi jiray (soo' maal xoolaha ) markaas ayaa kumaandihii yiri xagee jirtay waxa uu ugu jawaabay soo'maal aan la joogay sidaas ayuu magaca ku yimid koow
Adogu hadaad abtirsato ilaa inteed gaarsiinkartaa taas ayaa kuu jawaab ah oo intaas awoowe waxay ahaayeen soomaali jawaab uma baahnid abaa idhegeeso carabaan ka'imaanay sheekadaas eey aa cunay waxaan nahay dad deris carab la eh oo diin la'waadaago oo soomaali la'dhaho marka madaxa yar xoqida kadhaaf oo hawareerin bidaar yeey ku galin hadalkeega qaado . |
| SOMALIMAN | Friday, November 10, 2000 - 07:05 am
SOMALI PPL CAME FROM THE MOON
HER IS A JOKE THAT SHOW THAT ALL OF U R CONFUSED :
THEY ASK A VERY INTELEGENT COMPUTER HOW WILL RULE THE WORLD IN YEAR 3000 AND THE COMPUTER ANSWER "SOMALIES" THEY THOUGHT THEIR IS MUST BE A BROBLEM THEY ASK THE COMPUTER AND THE COMPUTER ANSWER"SOMALIES" THEY GET SHOCK AND ASK THE COMPUTER HOW COME THE COMPUTER ANSWER BACK (BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE ONLY PPL IN EARTH )
LOL
THANKS GOD I KNOW WHERE I CAME FROM AND I KNOW HOW AM I |
| KULMIYE | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 11:22 am
I AM AN ARCHITECT IN LONDON UK I MADE THE SAME RESEARCH ABOUT SOMALIS AND WHO WE REALY ARE CAME FROM, I FOUND OUT ITS OUR LANGUAGE WE SPEAK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR WHO WERE THE PPLE WHO DID SPOKE B4 US REASON IS IF WE ARE SOMAL THERE ARE ALSO BIYOMAL AND BIRMAL AND WHO ARE THEY THEY SHARE THE SAME CULTURE RELIGION AND LANGUAGE SO THIS THEORY SCRABS THE IDEA OF BEEN ARABS OR ANY OTHER RACE BUT US MAAL PPLE.
OFCOURSE ISLAM THE FIRST AFRICAN SOUL THAT IT HAD LANDED WAS SAILAC IN THE NORTH COST OF SOMALILAND
THERE WERE PPLE LIKE AXMED GURAY WHO IS ONE OF OUR HEROS AS WELL AS MUSLIM HERO AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS`NT A SOMALI BUT SAILICI BUT HE DID SPOKE OUR LANGUAGE. WE ALSO TRADED ALOT WITH THE ARABS TURKS ROMANS AS WELL AS EGYPTIANS IN THE 9-12 CENTURY THE EGYPTIANS RULED US. EXAMPLE ARAWEELO WAA GABADH SHEEKOOYINKA CARUURTA KU BADAN IYO ODAY BIIQAY LAAKIIN YAY AHAAYEEN, ARAWEELO WAA BOQORADII MASAR EE FARAACIINTA AHAYD SHE IS CALLED HATSHEBSUT SHE HAD A PALACE IN LUXOR IN EGYPT. SO BROTHERS AND SISTERS IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO KNOW OUR ANCESTORS HOW THEY LIVED SURVIVED AND SO ON, THE VITAL CLUE IN MY OPINION WOULD BE TO MAKE MORE RESEARCH TO OUR LANGUAGE THEN WE KNOW WHO WE REALY ARE, WE ARE WARIORS SOMALI WARIORS
NOTHING LESS NOTHING MORE AND WE ARE SO PROUD OF IT
THANS FOR YOUR TIME
I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO IDEAS AND HISTORY SO DROP A LINE. |
| Tutsi priminister | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 01:50 pm
somali originaly from TUTSI living brundi and ruwanda. that is prove. |
| Bigbrother | Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 10:22 am
ANTIQUITY:
The ancient Egyptians knew the region which now includes Somalia as PUNT-LAND and the inhabitants were referred to as Black Berbers.
For five centuries (second to seventh century AD) much of the area come under the rule of Ethiopian kingdom of Aksum. In the 7th Century AD, Arab tribes set up trading posts along the coastline of the Gulf of Aden, where they found the sultanate of Adel, the main port of which was Zeila.
To the west there was a lot of trading with the people living where the Oromos (or Gallas, the Afars and the Eritreans now live. The Somali ppl began to migrate into this region from Yemen in the 13th Century.
The sultanate discreted and disintegrated during the 16th Century into small indipendent states, many of whith were ruled by Somali chiefs. Zeila become indipendent of Yemen, and was then incorporated into the Ottoman Empire.
Report from Arab wold. |
| T-GIRL | Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 05:25 pm
10 different answers to 1 question....Hmmmmm that proves that U'all are lying.
Some philosophers diputed over the above issues and have found no conclusive evidence. So they made up stories like Somalians Originated from a happily married couple. The husband was from Yemen...and the wife was from Ethiopia.....
In my opinion though..I think Somalians are from India.....They share almost the same cultural, spiritual, and religious values as Somali ppl. And not only are we neighbours.....but if U go to Madras and Calcutta...........U'll find that they resemble Somalians.....i.e; Soft hair.....dark skin.....long nose.
U do the math |
| Naasir | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 01:20 am
the most advanced research concludes that theoritically somalis originated in southeastern ethiopia (ogaden) as did all other cushitic people, such as Canfar, oromo, sidamo, etc. the somali or samaale were the first cushites to migrate eastward around 100 a.d. until covering all of somalia, djibouti, ogaden, and n.e. kenya by 1200 ad. they therefore came into contact with sabean (yemen), arabian (sunni) and persian (shiaa) travellers, as the name of such coastal town as zayla (hadrami language not somali!) and muqdishu (translated from magnad-i-shah, persian for the seat of the king). they were among the first people in africa to convert to islam, even before egypt and almost 200 years before sudan.
however the horn of africa is considered the birthplace of all afro-asiatic people, whether the arabs and hebrews which are the semitic race, or the pharaonic egyptians and berbers and somalis which are hamites. many anciant egyptian words are found in somali, such as kab(shoes), tuf(spit) and webi(river)! |
| AHMED YASINE | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 02:13 am
Dear Wiilwaal, the Somali's are an ancient people who have the most mysterious of origins.
We are 1st mentioned in literature ,by the Habashes in the 16th century during the Ahmed Gurey (Gran) islamic war with Ethiopia. Before then we were refered to as the black berbers.
Hence the origin of the town Berbera.
Although today the word berber is used for the idigenous peoples of the Magrheb (Morroco, Libya etc) we werer called it before them - hence there must be a relationship with them. And there is linguistically the Berber language is Hamitic ie. same language family as Somali, Oromo, Ancient Egyptian, Afar, Berber and ancient canaanite.
All historians agree thet the Somalis (black berbers) were in control of Mogadishu in the 7th century AD. But what did we call ourselves
We know the Hawiya and Dir migrated around this time from North Somalia to the South.
I personally think that Somalia was like the Italy of the 19th century i.e a nation not a state
By this I mean that loyalty was to your area or tribe rather than as a Somali.
Perhaps other people called us Somali and we called ourselves by our tribes.
That was the case with the Welsh people of the UK , they were called Welsh (Foreigners) by the AngloSaxons whilst they called themselves Cymry (Fellow country men).
Anway to go back to the main point we can logically argue that we inhabited the horn of africa since the days of Queen hateshput since her expedition to the land of punt. Her reliefs at Dier el bahri show clearly the Somali features of the King & Queen of Punt.
However that was thousands of years ago. We did not speak Somali then as the Afar & Oromo languages were not in existence then i.e we spoke a proto cushitic language.
So when you are talking about the origin of the Somalis we need to be more precise and state what time period you are talking about.
If we go even further back in history there was a time when the hamitic & semitic languages were as one i..e proto afro-asiatic.
It is well know by linguists that the Semitic languages are younger than Hamitic Languages.
Languages like Arabic therefore originated from Hamitic languages like Somali.
There was a time then that the South Arabian countries like Oman, Yemen and Saudi Arabia were populated by Somali looking people.
This is not just a theory as if you go to the Dofar province of Oman, the Frankicense bearing area, you will find the Qara people. Thses people are of pure Arabic descent (Qahtan / Joktan) whilst looking identically to us Somalis. How do you explain that.
Their language (Qara) is not classed as Arabic but as South Arabian. That is the same catorgary as the semitic languages of Ethiopia i. Geez, Amharic, Tigrean etc and no-one would argue that they look any different from Somalis.
The Mahra people of the Oman & Yemen and the people of Tihima & Asir of Saudi Arabia are also classed as pure Arabs due to their genealogies but if you saw them you would think they were Somalis.
The light skinned Wahabi Arabs of Saudi Arabia are not the true inhabitants of Arabia but were put there after Lawrence of arabia interfered in the Arab civil war.
The Somalis therefore have a difficult time with their origins because we are an ancient people who lived in the Horn of Africa as well as in South Arabia. I truly believe we occupied both sides of the Red Sea, but we were not called Somalis. The Term Somali is a relatively new term.
Hence we need to find out what we were called in ancient times.
This is not difficult to find out, as when our country becomes stable again , inshallah, our Somali archaeolists can discover some unknown writings , decipher them like the Rosetta stone of Egypt and the enlightened us & the rest of the world.
There are many caves in Somalia which have Himyaritic (Ancient South Arabian) type writings on them.
That is the clue to our origins.
Somalis were also ancient travellers, thats why you find Somali looking people in Chad, Mauritania, Niger etc as well as the Indian ocean islands of the Maldives.
The muslim people of the Maldives attribute their
islamic teachings to a Somali sheikh of the 16 century (they called him berber).
We also know that the Malaysians and Persians (Shirazi's) were present in Somalia at some point which has had a contribution to the history of Southern Somalia.
Confused! your not the only one.
To conclude there is a famous saying :
THE MORE YOU FIND OUT THE LESS YOU KNOW. |
| geeljire | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 07:39 am
dear wiilwaal,somalis are kushitic people
check out KUSHITIC and good luck with your research. |
| Hassan.I.Ali | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 08:41 am
Dhammaantiin waad garab marsantihiin xaqiiqada!!!
Jawaabtii oo waafi ahna waatan,"Soomalidu waxaay kasoo jeedaan Nabi Nuux,kahorna Nabi Aadam,kahorna
Ciidda ama Carrada ama Turaabbaa laga abuuray waxaan kanimin Maka Al Mukarrama oo ah meesha dadkoo dhami Uga kala faafay dacalada Dinida.
Wax xaqiiqo ah oo intaas dheer ninkii haya la imoow,Hadaadan hayn ha is wareerine kashaqee hadda
sidii dib la isugu soodhwayn lahaa dadka Soomaaliyeed ee dagaalku kala faquuqay iyo sidii dadka Soomaaliyeed dinida ku kala lumay dib la isugum keeni lahaa.Hadaadan horay taariikh ulahayn
hadda ilmahaaga taariikh fiican u samee. |
| Bigbrother | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 12:24 pm
Ahmed Yasin:
I truely agree with you the facat that we are an encient ppl as old as faraons, if I may say. And it's also true that we were once ocuppied the other side of the Red see (south Arebia), and that is the reason that some historians believe we are Arabs (Yeman).
But the fact is: We existed well before them. Yamens have no old history. Abraha (king of Ethiopia) was roling them 1400 years ago, just before Mohamed (s.c.w) was born.
Ibnu-batuta said in his book when he come into Zaila (14 century): "Zaila is a wll known for Abbasinians, the inhabitants are Moslims of the Shafia section....." , then he went to Mogadishu, and confirmed that they are the same ppl.
But again Abassinians are the Ethiopans and that means we and the Ethiopians are the same ppl. and if the Abassinians come to the region together the only possible port is Zaila whith becomes the first Abassinian city. therefore the ethiopians come from Somalians!! what you think???.
There is no doughte that the Somalians has long and very interesting history, but the broplem is they didn't wrote. Let's hope they did had other Languege as you said!!
I think I have to study the Archiology.
That is all from me Bro's and sis's till next time. |
| somali-history | Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 01:35 pm
I just want to add this to your interesting discusion,in 1840 The governor of zayla,Al-hajj sharmarkay(from the girhajis tribe-habr yoonis),as early as 1825,he received from captain bengnold,a testimonial and a reward,for a severe sword wound in the left arm,received while defending the lives of english seamen.He afterwards went to Bombay,where he was treated with consideration;and about fifteen years ago he became the governor of zayla and it's dependencies,under the Ottoman pasha in western arabia.
Richard F.Burton
After half an hour visit I was led by the Hajj through the streets of zayla,to one of his substantial houses of coralline and mud plastered over with glaring whitewash.The ground floor is kind of warehouse full of bales and boxes,scales and buyers.A flight of steep steps leads into a long room with shutters to exculde the light,floored with tamped earth,full of'evening flyers'and destitute of furniture.......
Read this book FIRST FOOTSTEPS IN EAST AFRICA.
By the late Richard F.Burtun |
| Salaad beeleey | Monday, November 20, 2000 - 07:01 am
Waa salaaman tihiin.
Marka hore aan idinku darsado sida ay ila tahay hadaan rabno inaan wax ka ogaano halkay soomaalidu ka soo jeedo waxaan fiirinaa ugu horeyn AFKA SOOMAALIGA oo ah mid gebi ahaan ka madax banaan afafka kale ee hada dadka wada degan geeska afrika iyo jasiiradda carabtaba,waxaa hubanti ah in awooweyaasheenii ee faraceenii hore ay runtii si aad ah uga madax banaanaayeen guud ahaan bulshooyinkii ku noolaa agagaarkooda taas waxaad ka garan kartaa habka xisaabinta ay soomaalida hada adeegsato sida:kow,laba,saddex,afar,shan,lix oo aan aragno habka dhawaaqa tirooyinka soomaalida uu guud ahaamba ka duwan yahay afafka kale ee ku xeeran soomaaliya tani waxaa amaan ku mudan awoowayasheenii hore iyo siday u soo dhawreen inoona soo gaarsiiyeen AFKEENA SOOMAALIGA taasi waxaa daliil kaaga ah in aanu afka soomaaliga KU DHEX MILMIN afafkii bulshooyinkii kale ee waligood soomaalida dariska la ahaa sida:carabta,afrikada,iyo aasiyaba.
Waxaan ku dhihi karaa Soomaalida asalkoodii hore waxay ahaayeen dad"MADAX BANAAN OO XOR AHAA"ka hor gumaysigii iyo nidaamkan jamhuuriyadaha ee hada casriga ah.
SOOMAALIDU WAXAY AHAAYEEN DAD XOR AH OO AAN CARAB IYO HINDI MIDNA KA SOO JEEDIN,BALSE KA SOO JEEDAY BULSHO KA DAWANEYD CARAB IYO HINDIBA KUNA DHAQNAA KA SOO BILOOW MASAR ILAA SOOMAALIYA OO GEBI AHAANBA KA DUWANAA UMADAHAA LA DARISKA AHAA SIDAASNA AY AWOOWAYAASHEENII INAGU SOO GAARSIIYEEN IYAGOO AMAAN KU MUDAN sidaas iyo nabad gelyo.
Qre:salaad beeleey l/h Tampere Finlad |
| Darood | Monday, November 20, 2000 - 12:36 pm
i would say speak for yourselves those of you who are confused about thier originality.if we are Darood tribe,we know of our origins.we trace back to our anceisters in yemen and the arabian gulf. |
| Waaq | Monday, November 20, 2000 - 08:48 pm
Where are Somalis from? I do not know but like everybody I can only speculate. For one thing you would not find a book written by a Somali or someone else telling you that Somalis are definitely from Yemen,Persia,India or anywhere else that we as current Somalis wish to be from. To fairly look at this issue we have to look at all and every information and tid bit we get and piece it together just like a jigsaw puzzle and come with the most likely answer. We can also look at some of the obvious facts and come to some obvious conclusion.
1. Most Somalis have names that go back 30 to 45 generations: to Dir, Darood , Isaac ,etc. If you have a genealogical naming greater then that please let me know - I for one would be interested to know how many fathers it goes.
What does that give us : assuming 20 years per generation average we get 600 to 900 years back. If this assumption is valid then who was here( Somalia) before a Somali was born. This would then bear fruit to stories that we actually are a new comer to this area and that other tribes lived here and we pushed them out of the area. One name mentioned a lot is the town of Gaalkacyo. It's name implies that the Gala lived there and left. By force? Any truth in this? It definitely sounds reasonable.
We also know that we come from one father per major clan name. The question then is who are these fathers and where are they from? Are they Gala that really grew in size and thus earned their own name Soo Maal. ( Very Friendly People).
Another way of looking at this is are our fathers from somewhere else e.g. the persistent roumor( wishful thinking by African Haters)( am I biased - Off course) that they are from Arabia.
For now I will end my speculation there, hoping I have given you some ideas. |
| Anonymous | Monday, November 20, 2000 - 11:46 pm
Wilwal,
As u probably know that our language is just 28 years old (1972),before that time there were know a written document about somali history, all we know is somebody say this and somebody say that
secondly since we gained the independance some research has been done but as u may know we were at war with Ethiopia, who not only claim to Ogaden Region but Somalia as a whole so those Historian who did the research have base their findings in order to defend those claims.
Thirdly we all know that we are very close to arabs culturaly and religiousLy and i am not surbriced if som pple like to be associated with them.
I had little time to answer ur Q? so i hope this may also heelp in ur research Good luck en byeeeee
Bro Basha |
| L.Y. | Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 09:56 pm
to give some curious facts about ancient "somali-land" (not present somaliland):
. some British archaelogists consider "Saba" the land mentioned in the Holy Qur'an as the land who disobeyed Sulayman's (PBUH) orders as located on both shores of the Red Sea. Their proofs come from the fact that myrhh and frankincense does not grow in Yemen (saba) only in northern Somalia's hills. myrrh and frankinsense are the main exports of saba to Egypt and Mesopatamia and Canaan in 1100 BC. therefore the Queen Bilqis was probably of Somali origin!
. These archaelogists have found with collaberation with university of london's middl east and oriental studies dept., stone tablets of Sabean origin in both Maydh (of berebera) and in a mountain 45km to the west of Ceerigaabo. It is in bad condition so deciphering would be difficult, but is carbon dated to 980 BC!
.in socotra (island in indian ocean, yemen) there is a myth that one of noah's sons is buried in the mainland of Somalia. They call him Shem-allah; which means "obeyer of God" in old Semitic south arabian. this could be roughly translanted to the "Samaale" Somalis refer to as their grandfather figure. as with many somali places eg berbera, zeila, names such as sab samaale, daarod, etc., the origin of the meaning of samaale is unknown in present Somali. this is because samaale is a colluquation of Shemallah, therefore a semitic name
. semites actually do originate in africa, probably in the highlands of ethiopia and they migrated to arabia via the bab el mandeb of djibouti. the bible mentions that one of Joktan's (the son of Shem, the son of Noah)sons return south to the coastal town of Aulakh, started a tribe known as "Cuphirim". The peripluses written by Roman (100s a.d.)map-makers point out that Aulakh was the name of zeila back in ancient times. even today there is a reef in the gulf of aden off zeila known as "Qaafirleh", very close to the Cuphirim in the old testament! |
| MAHAD | Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 06:20 pm
I think we are looking 4 the origin of "somalis" not daarood you stupid bitch.....
2 the others keep searchin cuz iam really proud of you guys.
ps:Once again 2 those want play da english teacher ,d'ont even try cause it is my 5th language..
PEACE |
| LAMIA | Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 10:04 pm
NOW U GUYS MADE ME MORE CONFUSED I THOUGHT WE WERE FROM ARABIA OR SOMETHING. SEE THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT ANSWERS SO WHO AM I SUPPOSE TO BELIEVE. PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ AGREE ON ONE PLACE. WE EITHER ARAB, ETHIOPIANS, EGYPTIANS, OR BARBER.
PEACE |
| Anonymous | Friday, November 24, 2000 - 05:57 am
Hey lets face the truth we are niggers
when we gonna stop this crap about been better than other african and therefore came from another continent.
wat about hawiye with that "look" are they from yemen as well!!! |
| Bigbrother | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 04:16 am
Another stupid bitch in the house! What is wrong with this ppl? would U please keep ur fucking virus away from this interesting topic? If you have nothing to contribute just shut the ••••-up.
To the rest of you bro's and sis's I now believe that no one knows the history of the Somalis more than these young somalians. No historian can make such analysis and demonstrated theorys.
Just to add some more confusion, I somehow relate the origin of Somalis to those ancient Faraons.
The faraons where blacks (Aswad) somalis look alike, and as you all stated had strong influence to the region. It's absolutely wright that they didn't spoke Somalian language, but neither did we.
There is one real fact in the history of the human race: When a great nation or kingdom suffer a destruction (loose their power) whatever is the reason, the majority will run away from the region and immigrate to where ever they know and think they may start a peceful new live. a very simple example that you all know is the "Ujujaan" empire, they end up in Jad as some ppl say.
Anyway my point is: The Faraons run away from Eygept and since they knew the horn of africa, where maybe the Galas where living then, they occupied the region and bushed away whoever was living the area.
The style that the faraons used to dress matches exactly these of the nomadic Somali man (with the Tooreey and Laba go'). Gure, Xeero, etc are also known that the faraons where using back in their time and surprisingly they used to call in the same names. i.e. gure=gure.
if that theory is true, then it's easy to find out where the language come from.
please keep the research bro's and sis's and take care to yourselves and to each other.
B/brother |
| BLACKANEASE | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 11:39 am
don't let this be a shoker to you people {somalianz}..But we are from vietnam..At first I didn't beleive it but my teacher who happends to be vietnamease invited me to her house and I saw the bitch eatin canjeero and otkac..I asked her why she eatin our food and she said that canjeero originally came from vietnam and thats what they eat everyday..So I said we eat the same thing everymornin and thats when she told me the story about how somalianz and vietnease used to be all the same people they used to be our brothers sisters fathers mothers and the rest................................So now I really hate meself I just found out we have vietnamease people in our blood...We all came from Vietnam ya'll say wuz up to them knowin that we are related and oh yeah •••• oromo ethiopian and arabs we are vietnamease whats better then that??????????????? nothing. |
| Miss-Understood | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 02:26 pm
MAHAD......
HA HA HA ..........LOL x 2 |
| Anonymous | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 08:24 pm
WIILWAAL,
Some Somalis believe they descended from Arabs. But evry anthropologist will tell you that we are of Kushitic Race like the Oromos.
Liguistically it is obvious we a lot, Just like Amharic is closer to Arabic ( semetic language).
One thing is sure ....we are a bastard race but no one knows of which two or three bloods we descended ! Hou about that ! |
| Anonymous | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 08:27 pm
WIILWAAL,
Some Somalis believe they descended from Arabs. But evry anthropologist will tell you that we are of Kushitic Race like the Oromos.
Linguistically it is obvious we share a lot, Just like Amharic is closer to Arabic ( semetic language).
One thing is sure ....we are a bastard race but no one knows from which blood lines wee descended ! How about that ! |
| GULED | Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 09:50 pm
FOR ALL THE BRO'S WHO ARE CONFUSE WITH OUR RACE AND WHERE WE REALLY FROM. I WILL TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE FROM WE ARE NOT ARAB BASTARDS,AND ETHIOPIANS, SOMALIANS AND OROMAS ARE VERY CLOSE
PEOPLE AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW THE NAME ETHIOPIAN CAME FROM THE GREEKS AND THEY CALLED THE OROMAS AND THE SOMALIANS BY THAT NAME ETHIOPIANS. AND THOSE SOMALIANS WHO SAY THAT WE ARE ARABS WE ARE NOT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ARAB BLOOD IN US. BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE ISLAMIC RELGION WHICH THEY SPREAD IN EAST AFRICA. AND TO BROTHER WILLWAAL I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU. |
| Jeego | Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 10:04 am
Well, I am going to confuse you more!!!
The Royal Sympol of ancient Eyptians were MATOOBE yes matoobe the one every Somali has?!! You may see similar Matoobo in other countries, but the one Somalis and Fircoon used is Identical and totaly different to other cultures?!
Compare your Matoobo and Fircoon's matoobe?!! |
| Xog´ogaal | Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 11:21 am
Asalaamu caleykum waraxmatullaah
Marka aanu eegeyno mas´alada ah halka ey soomaalidu asal ku leeyihiin, marka hore waa in aannu eegnaa muranka arrintan ka taagan xggee buu ka yimid. Gumeestayaashii geeska Afrika inoogu yimid dabayaaqadii qarnigii 19-aad, dhammaantood waxa ugu horreeya oo ey xiiseeyeen in ey wax ka bartaan waxaa kamid ahaa asalka soomaalida halka uu yahay. Arrintaas waxaa isku taxallujiyey culimo (Andropologists) ah oo reer Yurub ah. Ujeeddaduna waa ey caddeyd oo waa in dadkan jahwareer lagu rido, ficlanna waa ey ku guuleysteen oo waxaa soomaalidii loo qeybiyey dad carab ka yimid iyo dad Kuushiitig ah. Taasi wexey dhalisey burburka maanta ina heysta. Haddii aanu taas garanno, waxaa dheceysa in si xalaal ah oo ka madax bannaan aqoonta uu gumeysigu ku marin habaabiyo ummadaha. Waxaa markaas la´arkayaa in geeska Afrika weligeed lagu noolaa tan iyo intii ey jireen khalqigii aadamaha ka horreeyey ee la´oran jirey Homonids-yada (700.000 oo sanadood horteed). Taasi wexey calaamad u tahay in degaanku uu ahaa mid in lagu noolaado kaga habboonaa degaamo badan oo dunida kamid ahaa. Tan iyo inta taariikhda aadamaha la hayona geeska Afrika dad baa ku noolaa. Haddaba in maanta leys weydiiyo xaggee baa laga yimid waa marin habaabin loo jeedo. Raadkii uu gumeysigu dhigey ayaan weli ku taaganahay ee aanu isa saxno. Degaamadii ey ka jirtey ilbaxnimadii hore, qolo aanan geeska Afrika iman majirin, matalan Griiggii, Roomankii, Shiinihii, Beershiyaankii, Hindigii iyo Carabtii
intuba degaankeenna waa ey yimaadeen waxna waa ey ka sheegeen, haddaba mexey tahay sababta loogu soo hoos noqonayaa abtirsiinyo gaaban oo ey soomaalidu heystaan oo taas miisaanka loo saarayaa.
Dhallinyarooy foojignaada ! |
| ubax | Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 01:56 pm
WAAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
suaashan waxaan isweey diin jirey markaan eight gred ahaa hadasa ayeey soo nogotey waa cajeeb.
halwax ayaan idiin sheegayaa bro/sis awoowayaasheen wax meey gori jirin waxna meey akhrin jirin , balse weey sheekeeyn jireen iyadoo taarikhtaada iyo dhaqankooda fidinayaan . markaa waxaan ay ilatahey soomaali in aysan aheeyn amxaaro, carab ama hindi .balse dadka oo dhan ay yihiin ibniaadan Lugadna hadii ay timaado waxaan arkey kalmado saamaali ah oo danish ah belive me waay jaraan waxaan arkey porifiso yiri awoowgay ayaa ayaa soomaalidii horey buug ka gorey . xaqiiqdu waxa weeye samaalida meesha ay ka timi waa unknow balse waxaan leenahey dhaqan cajiib ah marka loo eego wadamo badn markaa ogaada in aanu nahey dad horaantoodii hore wanaagsanaa
ubax form Century college of Manasota |
| SOMALIMAN | Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 05:28 pm
somalis are somalis
SIMPLE AS THAT
WHAT WE WERE DOESN'T MATTER
WHAT WE ARE NOW MATTERS |
| ADAN | Sunday, November 26, 2000 - 08:50 pm
WAAN KU FARAXSANAHAY NINKA SOOMAALIYEED EE SU'AASHA KEENOW "SOOMAALIDU SIDA AAN DHOWR BUUG KA AQRIYEY WAXAY KA YIMAADEEN "KUSH" OO AH NORTH SUDAN OO AY MAR XUKUMI JIREEN FARAACIINTU SIDA AAD KU ARAGTO FARTA FARAACIINTA WAXAA KA MUUQDA WAXYAABO BADAN OO"FAMILIAR" KU AH DHAQANKA SOOMAALIDA SIDA GAMBAR,HANGOOL, TIMAHA TIDCAN, GALAYR(OO SOOMAALIDU U YAQAANAAN SHIMBIR BARAKAYSAN SIDA FARAACIINTA)MARKA SOOMAALIDU HALKAA AYEY KA SOO QAXEEN BURBURKII BOQORTOOYADII KUSH KA BACDI SIDA MASAIDA, OROMADA,IWM MARKA SOOMAALIDU MA,AHA CARAB, MANA AHA HINDDI SIDA RAG IGA HOREEYEY YIRAAHDEEN LAAKIIN WAA KU JIRAAN DHIIG AHAAN MAADAAMA AY WAQTI BADAN GANACSI LA LAHAAYEEN. SIDAASEY ANIGA ILA TAHAY,ANOO KU DARAYA INAAN WAX BADAN AQRIYEY TAARIIKHDA SOOMAALIDA HADANA WAX KU BARTA DALKA MARAYKANKA. SALLAAN FROM ADAN |
| LAMIA | Monday, November 27, 2000 - 04:21 am
TO BLACKANEASE GOOD ONE BROTHA NEVER HEARD OF A BETTA ONE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. |
| MAHAD | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 05:52 am
MISS UNDERSTOOD
DHAAR WAXAAN UMARI KARAA IN AAD ADIGANA DAAROOD KALE TAHAY
HORTA TAAS CEEB MA AHA LAAKIIN SAAXIIB WAXAA LAYIRI ORIGINKII SOOMAALIDA NOT ORIGINKII DAAROODKA OK???
ps WELL I HOPE KNOW YOU SEE THE DIFFERANCE..... |
| RASH SOC | Friday, December 01, 2000 - 07:34 am
MY FELLOW SOMALIAN'S LET ME EXPRESS MY OPINION ABOUT WERE SOMALI'S REALLY CAME FROM.THE TRUE ANSWER IS YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. ONCE YOU GET INVOLVED IN QUESTIONS LIKE " WHERE ARE SOMALI'S REALLY FROM?" YOU ARE LEADING YOURSELF INTO THE CREATION VS EVOLUTION THEORY. ASSUMING THAT A MAJORITY OF SOMALI PEOPLE ARE MUSLIMS I DONT THINK MOST OF YOU ARE WILLING TO GET TRAPPED IN THIS SITUATION WHICH WILL LEAD YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT WE ARE REALLY APES.
PS- WILWAL I HOPE THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT |
| m.s. | Thursday, December 07, 2000 - 08:02 pm
to all my somalian brothers and sisters.. this is to all the Somalis who don't care about there heritage. i am proud of OUR SOMALIAN heritage we have been in this world for centuries and insallah will be here for many more to come. our history and heritage is important to us, it is what we are and it will shape our future. we must teach our children about our history and help them shape our future. please do not forget who you are and where you come.
salam!  |
| sahra adan | Sunday, December 17, 2000 - 03:22 am
the somalis are a totally different race and we should be very proud!!!!! |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 03:10 pm
Aan ku noqdee Somalis waa inaka laakiin dadkii hore ee daganaa dhulkeena maxaa la odhan jirey maxayse ku hadli jireen?
inagu sadex baynu nahay Birmaal Biyo maal iyo Soomaal, sheekaa odhanaysa
Birmaalbaa dhulka xukumi jirayoo u adkaa dadka waagii hore waayou farsamo yaqaan buu ahaa hubka samaysta, biyomaal iyo soomaal baa u heshiiyey oo way ka adkaadeen. birmaal waxa lagu xukumay in aan naagohooda la guursan dadkana ay ka hooseeyaan abidkood, ilaa hada waa sidii oo waa dadka loo yaqaan Gaboyaha ee ku dhex nool soomaalida biyomaal wuxuu dagaa dhulka beerolayda ah,
maxay kula tahay,
fadlan aynu wadno ilaa meel laga gaadhayo arinkanwaxaa laga yaabaa in xal laga gaadho'e |
